EP: Serbia can't hold elections in Kosovo

Here we go again with these temporary European occupiers telling Serbia how to think, what to do, how to behave...I have a simple message to them. We Serbs DON'T CARE what you say, and we will do what we want on our sovereign Serbian land. We will hold elections. If you don't believe me, just watch us.

Sorry Doris, but you have revealed your true face many times. It is the EU and the likes of yourself who are stepping over 1244 when you please.

If it is UNMIKs responsibility to organise local elections then it should do its job as requested by Serbia. Since it has decided not to, Serbia will have to take matters into its own hands.

Once the DS is out of the way, we can test who has the law on their side at the world court.

Such commentary will drive any sane person crazy. Resolution 1244 is either inforce or it isn't, you can't quote it against Serbian elections and then talk about the Kosovo constitution, and bring up Ahtisaari's plan. Resolution 1244 is legal or it isn't, you can't have it both ways, and since they are having it both ways, one has to ask, why that is. Could it be that in reality 1244 is still legally enforceable, but technicalities on the ground allow the EU to run around making laws and proposition as they like?

“Belgrade cannot quote Resolution 1244 only when it suits it, as that document clearly states that holding elections is under the sole jurisdiction of UNMIK,” said head of the delegation, German MEP Doris Pack.

At the risk of pointing out the painfully obvious to both talking heads in Brussels and groupthinkers on this forum, but Resolution 1244 has been used, cited, and defended by all sides whenever it "suits" them. To say Serbia is being no less (il)legitimate in its activities from other concerned parties is not only wrong, it's voluntarily ignorant.

What have Serbians done to them to deserve this treatment?

Europe is incomplete W/O Serbia, thus all those who try and dictate can go take a flying leap into the lake!

The €U say´s so?

So what? Is Kosovo their turf to rule over?

I suggest they go and peddle this somewhere else, sorry €U, Kosovo is Serbia and we decide wheter to hold elections on our territory, not you.

For better understanding of the US-EU logic I post here few phrases from "Salon 24", Poland in my own translation :

- " Do we have moral right (in helping Georgia-Д ) after we have recognized the independence of Kosovo ... unlike Abkhasia it has never had a state soveregnity ? ... But international policy is never based on moral and sentiments. At this moment any argumentations to prove the right of the Abkhasians mean nothing. Important is only that they are on the Russian side. And therefore one cannot allow them to tear away a part of the Georgian territory."

- " Poland must support Georgia because Russia is the enemy of ours. Every new victory of the Kremlin means a new threat to us. Sure we will not send the Army to Soukhumi but when the Geogians do this we must support them."

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Dear Serbs ! It happened that Brussels care very little of Serbia. It is Russia they are fighting with on your soil. I am very sorry ! Unfortunately we both have little choice. Either we become one of the 48 US puppets or we remain free from their dictate. Now that you can see their motivations I will give you a short remark on Abkhasia.

- Abkhasia has existed as a separate state before Russia created Georgia
- Abkhasia joined Russia much earlier than Russia saved the Georgians from elimination.
- Since Christ Georgia existed as a sepatae state only 18 years.
-Abkhasia has been included to GSSR by Stalin after WW2
- All nations of Abkhasia fought together against Georgia and beated them severe.

Cheers !

Whatever they say they follow two tsks :

1. To exclude part of the electorat of Nikolic from the process and thus to increase the chances of Tadic.

2. To go on legalizing Serbian province as a separate state.

But there are other things to be taken into consideration :

1. Nobody cares what the Euro Parliament thinks of this item cause it's beyond their competention. They are paid money for talking. So let them talk.

3. The real problem is that the UNMIK has got the same viewing. So Serbia is to choose either you you violate the whole 1244 Resolution ( if you do not vote in K&M as a part of Serbia ) or you violate only one paragrarh of the Resolution ( if you do not obey the illegal solution of the UNMIK ) where it is said that UNMIK is in charge of the province. So you have to choose between the bad and the worst !

hans christian, in serbia, just like in any other country, you vote if you are a registered voter. in serbia meaning in belgrade, as in pristina. but, hans christian, even a simple mind would agree that these things are never simple.
so, when the albanian nation got their first state in their history which was albania in 1912, when a very old european state, serbia, which was at one point in its long and glorious history an empire, officially regained its heartland of kosovo. but those albanians who happened to live there started to plot secession and creation of greater albania immediately.
in ww2 albanians in kosovo joined the nazis to drive serbs away and after the war tito's communists kept the serbs from returning. in this way and with extremely high birthrate albanians changed the demographics and in 60s, 70s and 80s started a campaign of intimidation of local serbs, with the goal of driving them all out. although in an attempt to appease them tito's communists in 1974 gave them unreasonably wide autonomy, this was not enough for albanians. in early 80s, they demanded independence and attacked yugoslav soldiers and police in violent demonstrations. intimidation and attacks against the serbs continued. they also used money earned (we dont know how but can guess) abroad to buy off property of those serbs they harrassed day and night. these were the terrible circumstances when in 1987 milosevic took over. and he told kosovo serbs that albanians would not terrorize them on their land any longer, and serbs believed him. in 1989, he cut the autonomy back to its size. this is now used by albanian propaganda as alleged reason for their desire to steal serbian territory, but it is only a recent event in their century-old attempt at illegal secession. then, in the 90s, they self-isolated from their country, leaving state jobs, leaving schools and organizing their parallel schools, and, they refused to register or vote as a form of their secessionist activity. for this reason, no credible census was done in kosovo for decades. its hard to send people to interview someone for census if rifles are aimed at their heads from behind 2 meter high brick walls. albanians sure like building those walls around their homes, btw. i always thought it had to do with their religion of islam, and islam's idea of modesty, and that. i dont really know why them build them.
anyway, in the second part of the 90s, albanians in kosovo organized in terror groups to attack serb civians and police. instead of dealing with it right then, milosevic who americans made into the peace and stability factor in the balkans in 1996, made one of his about 200 huge mistakes and let it fester.
in 1998 it was too much, too many peopel were dying in albanian attacks, so somehting had to be done. but the west thought lets get rid of milosevic and destroy serbia and lets escalate the war, and they did in march 1999.
in serbia we understand that democracy is not about forcing someone to vote, meaning, albanians can stay home, but about making sure that those who want to vote get an opportunity, meaning, serbs in kosovo will certainly vote. we are watching this, and wondering what anyone can do to stop it.

Jan,
Are you trying to be funny? There are rules and procedures, just like in any democracy. You must be of age and have a valid photo ID, or proof of citizenship....Serbia is a democracy, with many political parties, and its citizens are free to vote for whomever they like. We don't need outsiders telling us how to run our elections.
Cheers!

“Belgrade cannot quote Resolution 1244 only when it suits it, as that document clearly states that holding elections is under the sole jurisdiction of UNMIK,”

Its great the EU is seeing what dirty game Serbia is playing.

A simple(?) question for you Dragan:

How do you decide who can vote and who can not?

Will there be a Serbian language test?
Anyone with a valid Serbian passport?
Anyone with a neighbour that can testify you are true Serb?
Anyone having a picture of Nikolic in his wallet?

What will the criteria be?

Quote it only when it suites us? Skim down to the bottom of the article to get the clearest definition of irony!

Doris you are a disgrace and a hypocrite! Elections will go ahead as planned like it or not, have a nice day!

There is a European Parliament?

Jan, as Serbian citizens the Kosovo Albanians are entitled to vote by all means, however, they are in denial at this stage so choose not to.

But, hypothetically, if they voted, why would they choose the DS over one of their own candidates? They would certainly have their own parties and vote for them.

“Belgrade cannot quote Resolution 1244 only when it suits it, as that document clearly states that holding elections is under the sole jurisdiction of UNMIK,” said head of the delegation, German MEP Doris Pack."

First of all I laughed when I read this. Hypocracy from the EU.

"The delegation welcomed the adoption of the Kosovo Constitution based on UN Envoy Martti Ahtisaari's plan. "

Then, I was in absolute hysterics when I read the last paragraph. Isn't the Euro Parliament aware that the Ahtisaari plan was NOT endorsed in the UN. It was flatly beaten on its merits.

Serbia should have a field day with those two paragraphs. It should keep the EU on the back foot for at least 12 mths on that alone.

Lastly, the Euro Parliament has no jurisdication in Serbia and its province, Kosovo, so why is it sticking its nose where it doesn't belong.

Dragan wrote:
Here we go again with these temporary European occupiers telling Serbia how to think, what to do, how to behave...I have a simple message to them. We Serbs DON'T CARE what you say, and we will do what we want on our sovereign Serbian land. We will hold elections. If you don't believe me, just watch us.
(Dragan, 22 April 2008 13:53)

The European parliment is not against serbian elections in serbia MR. Dragan and they are not telling serbs what to do. What they are saying is that The Serbian elections cannot be held in Kosovo as before asKosovo is now a foreign country. As the Croatian leader Mesic say that is the reality now.

It is sad to read some of the comments posted such as those by DRAGAN, FAS, JAN etc. They are writing the same way as Milosevic spoke to Wesley Clark in 1998-99, when he said that Serbia does not care about US or NATO, and can you tell me what happened then???...you tough guys!!! please look at the reality aim towards EU, Russia does not have any thing positive for you.

Serb posters in general seem to have a problem to understand what real 1244 means.

Guys, you cannot have elections if you exclude 1.5mil. of people that you clai to be living in your territory, this is really immature and uncivilised.

No, I am not trying to be funny, Dragan. And thanks for answering.

Can I assume (not being that familiar with the situation) that the majority of the population in Kosovo (Serbs and Albanians) still have papers that makes them Serbian citizens? So both sides will be able to vote?

If so, wouldn't the Albanian vote go to a party like DS, nullifying any gain that SRS might get from the Serb votes in Kosovo?

“Belgrade cannot quote Resolution 1244 only when it suits it, as that document clearly states that holding elections is under the sole jurisdiction of UNMIK,”

Its great the EU is seeing what dirty game Serbia is playing.

A simple(?) question for you Dragan:

How do you decide who can vote and who can not?

Will there be a Serbian language test?
Anyone with a valid Serbian passport?
Anyone with a neighbour that can testify you are true Serb?
Anyone having a picture of Nikolic in his wallet?

What will the criteria be?

Serb posters in general seem to have a problem to understand what real 1244 means.

Guys, you cannot have elections if you exclude 1.5mil. of people that you clai to be living in your territory, this is really immature and uncivilised.

Dragan wrote:
Here we go again with these temporary European occupiers telling Serbia how to think, what to do, how to behave...I have a simple message to them. We Serbs DON'T CARE what you say, and we will do what we want on our sovereign Serbian land. We will hold elections. If you don't believe me, just watch us.
(Dragan, 22 April 2008 13:53)

The European parliment is not against serbian elections in serbia MR. Dragan and they are not telling serbs what to do. What they are saying is that The Serbian elections cannot be held in Kosovo as before asKosovo is now a foreign country. As the Croatian leader Mesic say that is the reality now.

It is sad to read some of the comments posted such as those by DRAGAN, FAS, JAN etc. They are writing the same way as Milosevic spoke to Wesley Clark in 1998-99, when he said that Serbia does not care about US or NATO, and can you tell me what happened then???...you tough guys!!! please look at the reality aim towards EU, Russia does not have any thing positive for you.

What have Serbians done to them to deserve this treatment?

Europe is incomplete W/O Serbia, thus all those who try and dictate can go take a flying leap into the lake!

Sorry Doris, but you have revealed your true face many times. It is the EU and the likes of yourself who are stepping over 1244 when you please.

If it is UNMIKs responsibility to organise local elections then it should do its job as requested by Serbia. Since it has decided not to, Serbia will have to take matters into its own hands.

Once the DS is out of the way, we can test who has the law on their side at the world court.

Whatever they say they follow two tsks :

1. To exclude part of the electorat of Nikolic from the process and thus to increase the chances of Tadic.

2. To go on legalizing Serbian province as a separate state.

But there are other things to be taken into consideration :

1. Nobody cares what the Euro Parliament thinks of this item cause it's beyond their competention. They are paid money for talking. So let them talk.

3. The real problem is that the UNMIK has got the same viewing. So Serbia is to choose either you you violate the whole 1244 Resolution ( if you do not vote in K&M as a part of Serbia ) or you violate only one paragrarh of the Resolution ( if you do not obey the illegal solution of the UNMIK ) where it is said that UNMIK is in charge of the province. So you have to choose between the bad and the worst !

Here we go again with these temporary European occupiers telling Serbia how to think, what to do, how to behave...I have a simple message to them. We Serbs DON'T CARE what you say, and we will do what we want on our sovereign Serbian land. We will hold elections. If you don't believe me, just watch us.

The €U say´s so?

So what? Is Kosovo their turf to rule over?

I suggest they go and peddle this somewhere else, sorry €U, Kosovo is Serbia and we decide wheter to hold elections on our territory, not you.

For better understanding of the US-EU logic I post here few phrases from "Salon 24", Poland in my own translation :

- " Do we have moral right (in helping Georgia-Д ) after we have recognized the independence of Kosovo ... unlike Abkhasia it has never had a state soveregnity ? ... But international policy is never based on moral and sentiments. At this moment any argumentations to prove the right of the Abkhasians mean nothing. Important is only that they are on the Russian side. And therefore one cannot allow them to tear away a part of the Georgian territory."

- " Poland must support Georgia because Russia is the enemy of ours. Every new victory of the Kremlin means a new threat to us. Sure we will not send the Army to Soukhumi but when the Geogians do this we must support them."

=======================

Dear Serbs ! It happened that Brussels care very little of Serbia. It is Russia they are fighting with on your soil. I am very sorry ! Unfortunately we both have little choice. Either we become one of the 48 US puppets or we remain free from their dictate. Now that you can see their motivations I will give you a short remark on Abkhasia.

- Abkhasia has existed as a separate state before Russia created Georgia
- Abkhasia joined Russia much earlier than Russia saved the Georgians from elimination.
- Since Christ Georgia existed as a sepatae state only 18 years.
-Abkhasia has been included to GSSR by Stalin after WW2
- All nations of Abkhasia fought together against Georgia and beated them severe.

Cheers !

Such commentary will drive any sane person crazy. Resolution 1244 is either inforce or it isn't, you can't quote it against Serbian elections and then talk about the Kosovo constitution, and bring up Ahtisaari's plan. Resolution 1244 is legal or it isn't, you can't have it both ways, and since they are having it both ways, one has to ask, why that is. Could it be that in reality 1244 is still legally enforceable, but technicalities on the ground allow the EU to run around making laws and proposition as they like?

“Belgrade cannot quote Resolution 1244 only when it suits it, as that document clearly states that holding elections is under the sole jurisdiction of UNMIK,” said head of the delegation, German MEP Doris Pack.

At the risk of pointing out the painfully obvious to both talking heads in Brussels and groupthinkers on this forum, but Resolution 1244 has been used, cited, and defended by all sides whenever it "suits" them. To say Serbia is being no less (il)legitimate in its activities from other concerned parties is not only wrong, it's voluntarily ignorant.

There is a European Parliament?

Jan,
Are you trying to be funny? There are rules and procedures, just like in any democracy. You must be of age and have a valid photo ID, or proof of citizenship....Serbia is a democracy, with many political parties, and its citizens are free to vote for whomever they like. We don't need outsiders telling us how to run our elections.
Cheers!

No, I am not trying to be funny, Dragan. And thanks for answering.

Can I assume (not being that familiar with the situation) that the majority of the population in Kosovo (Serbs and Albanians) still have papers that makes them Serbian citizens? So both sides will be able to vote?

If so, wouldn't the Albanian vote go to a party like DS, nullifying any gain that SRS might get from the Serb votes in Kosovo?

hans christian, in serbia, just like in any other country, you vote if you are a registered voter. in serbia meaning in belgrade, as in pristina. but, hans christian, even a simple mind would agree that these things are never simple.
so, when the albanian nation got their first state in their history which was albania in 1912, when a very old european state, serbia, which was at one point in its long and glorious history an empire, officially regained its heartland of kosovo. but those albanians who happened to live there started to plot secession and creation of greater albania immediately.
in ww2 albanians in kosovo joined the nazis to drive serbs away and after the war tito's communists kept the serbs from returning. in this way and with extremely high birthrate albanians changed the demographics and in 60s, 70s and 80s started a campaign of intimidation of local serbs, with the goal of driving them all out. although in an attempt to appease them tito's communists in 1974 gave them unreasonably wide autonomy, this was not enough for albanians. in early 80s, they demanded independence and attacked yugoslav soldiers and police in violent demonstrations. intimidation and attacks against the serbs continued. they also used money earned (we dont know how but can guess) abroad to buy off property of those serbs they harrassed day and night. these were the terrible circumstances when in 1987 milosevic took over. and he told kosovo serbs that albanians would not terrorize them on their land any longer, and serbs believed him. in 1989, he cut the autonomy back to its size. this is now used by albanian propaganda as alleged reason for their desire to steal serbian territory, but it is only a recent event in their century-old attempt at illegal secession. then, in the 90s, they self-isolated from their country, leaving state jobs, leaving schools and organizing their parallel schools, and, they refused to register or vote as a form of their secessionist activity. for this reason, no credible census was done in kosovo for decades. its hard to send people to interview someone for census if rifles are aimed at their heads from behind 2 meter high brick walls. albanians sure like building those walls around their homes, btw. i always thought it had to do with their religion of islam, and islam's idea of modesty, and that. i dont really know why them build them.
anyway, in the second part of the 90s, albanians in kosovo organized in terror groups to attack serb civians and police. instead of dealing with it right then, milosevic who americans made into the peace and stability factor in the balkans in 1996, made one of his about 200 huge mistakes and let it fester.
in 1998 it was too much, too many peopel were dying in albanian attacks, so somehting had to be done. but the west thought lets get rid of milosevic and destroy serbia and lets escalate the war, and they did in march 1999.
in serbia we understand that democracy is not about forcing someone to vote, meaning, albanians can stay home, but about making sure that those who want to vote get an opportunity, meaning, serbs in kosovo will certainly vote. we are watching this, and wondering what anyone can do to stop it.

Jan, as Serbian citizens the Kosovo Albanians are entitled to vote by all means, however, they are in denial at this stage so choose not to.

But, hypothetically, if they voted, why would they choose the DS over one of their own candidates? They would certainly have their own parties and vote for them.

Quote it only when it suites us? Skim down to the bottom of the article to get the clearest definition of irony!

Doris you are a disgrace and a hypocrite! Elections will go ahead as planned like it or not, have a nice day!

“Belgrade cannot quote Resolution 1244 only when it suits it, as that document clearly states that holding elections is under the sole jurisdiction of UNMIK,” said head of the delegation, German MEP Doris Pack."

First of all I laughed when I read this. Hypocracy from the EU.

"The delegation welcomed the adoption of the Kosovo Constitution based on UN Envoy Martti Ahtisaari's plan. "

Then, I was in absolute hysterics when I read the last paragraph. Isn't the Euro Parliament aware that the Ahtisaari plan was NOT endorsed in the UN. It was flatly beaten on its merits.

Serbia should have a field day with those two paragraphs. It should keep the EU on the back foot for at least 12 mths on that alone.

Lastly, the Euro Parliament has no jurisdication in Serbia and its province, Kosovo, so why is it sticking its nose where it doesn't belong.