Kosovo is reality, says Mesić

And it is definitely time for the EU to take a stronger line to encourage Serbians returning to Krajina - without harassment and with a promise of UDI.
They have a much stronger case than the Albanians who lay claim to Kosovo.

And what is the independent north? What are the enclaves where the illegal Albanian government cannot go? What are the upcoming elections on May 12? That is the reality. A fractured province, not a state, a PROVINCE.

Independent Kosovo per se is not the new reality. De facto partition at the Ibar is the reality on the ground.

President Mesic, 38 out of the 192 nations see one reality, your reality. 144 out of 192, see a reality different to yours. So tell me President Mesic, who is really out of step here?

Yeah, we all saw mesic's delusional view of reality during his recent toast to bush when he said Nikola Tesla was croatian and the croatians fought on the side of the allies against the nazis. He probably believes that the sun revolves around him because he is a descendant of the sun-god.

Ermal,

I assume you are a "Serbian Muslim" then?

No??? Do I hear the outrage and complaining from the Albanians...?

Why must I (a Krajina Serb) be an "Orthodox Croat" whilst you are now the completely fabricated nationality "Kovovar" (that is the true myth of the Balkans).

It's a pity that the Orthodox Croats (of course the discourse is reversible in the sense that the Croats can be viewed as Catholic Serbs) do not understand this.

orthodox Croats??? :)

ermal, is that some kind of ineffectual attempt to spread some provocations?

you certainly still believe to be a descendant of the illyrians... :)

please give us more lessons on history! you´re amusing not only me, I guess!

"Orthodox Croats" would imply that Serbs were Roman Catholic before they became Orthodox which is not true. They were from the start Orthodox Christians.

On the other hand, Catholic powers have, through the centuries, and backed up by wealthy nearby Catholic power centers - Venice, Rome, etc. sought to convert and spread their religion in the Balkans.

And why should Serbia recognize a huge theft done by lies, set-up, and terrorist bombing? Why should it recognize a NATO-base narco statelet with mass murdering thugs and ethnic cleansers as its politicians. Ceku, Thachi , and crime clans running the show with manipulative foreign money.

It does Serbia no good whatsoever except to say that Serbia's borders are open for grabs and Serbs will eventually get over it - so, hey, let's keep pushing.

I was sure that no-one would beat Slovenia's Rupel in pure stupidity.

There's a saying in the Bible that you brought to my mind: A fool has no other joy in his life than to voice his opinions.

Olli,
Interesting Quote to place in a comment section where everyone voices their opinion.
Self-reflection??

Mr Mesic, Kosovo is a reality for only a handfull of countries. Majority of the world lives in a different reality to yours.

This business of the whole world supports Kosovo is really getting old now. Unless the world recognises Kosovo then it is not reality as you say.

You have a long way to go to realize your reality.

Independent Istra is reality. Istra is returning to it's mother state. It is just measute of time when it will become part of Italy. Viva Italia!

...reality,says Mesic.MR.MESIC,WHAT'S REALITY??Is there reality of this second,day..,or years??It's proven by CENTURIES that Serb reality is unbeatable.We are not.unfortunatelly,a nation surrounded by friends,eather island-isolated..,eather we are powered by blood-colonial goods or targeting momental interests..Despite that,we have something longer,stronger and more valuable..We have "all of you" to make us sure we're right...,that's nothing about few years or few decades!The reality is that we have enimies to make us diamond,precious Slav blood in our veins to keep us what we are,God belongs to the sky for Serbs and on the earth we see Greeks!Need better?!WE KNOW TO DEAL WITH CENTURIES,PRESERVING WHAT WE ARE!ABOUT REALITY AND DEFINITION OF THAT WORD NOBODY* CAN SPEAK-WITHOUT TO CONSULT SERBS!!

*-(exept God and Greeks)

And to Ermal-comment: Orthodox Croats??Catholic Serbs??WHAT'S THAT NOW?? Dear Ermal,you have "road to go"..,to understand what it means PRESERVED GENES!!We were 500 years under Turkish "presence". Upper mentioned do not have to do with Serbs!We speak about Serb property here.Orthodox Serb living in momental Croatian borders??Is that you wanted to say?

"We must stop being hostage of the past and the historical myths", Mesić said after meeting with Albanian counterpart Bamir Topi.
This is the same what I have repeated a few times in my comments. With myths and folklorics mind there is no peace and prosperity in Balkan. That's why future of Serbia in Europe is seen from many as imposible.

“… We must stop being hostage of the past and the historical myths", Mesić said”

Fine mr. Mesic. We will start to believe you as soon as you give us Krajina back. After that, you only need to honestly admit crimes which you was part of, accept well deserved punishment for that, most of other Croat political figures need to do the same, all Serb refugees from Croatia to go back to their homes, Krajina to get autonomy. Then we can reconcile with each other and get back to normal life. If you are not ready to do this, don’t even border talking to us.

Lip service... Reality of what? What's the point? Any good solutions in sight?

Ben,sorry I change that-(ben),it's about self respect,get yourself that feeling,it's nice ! Ben..,what are you doing in those affairs..to have Ervin in one and some "expert" in another "hand"...What's your "profession" in all of this?? There's nothing about subject/theme you mentioned..,and that's suspicious ! Who's the "expert" you're talking about?? Are you payed to do this ? Serbian education is good enough to know that NORTH is a Svalbard-Bear Island (meteorological station) and we know who live there...SOUTH lives our friend Muammar Al-Gaddafi and that's OK ! Are you satisfied (ben) ? We know very well who lives where but we have damn GOOD MEMORY about what can affect us from..,wherever ! 6-of April 1941 from the NORTH arrived Strafgericht leaving in short interval of time 17.000 dead Serbs..."Operation punishment"..,for what?? SOUTH was "reserved" for SS-Skenderbeg,a bit later..That's all the same to me -who's "living" where..There's not E-W-N-S as direction somebody is "living"..Are there "living" Euro-American cowards..,from where the bombs were felling down..,are they on the sky?? Life is everywhere and everywhere are "living" (ben)!!For a Serb death lives everywhere,it's not about four-basic but thousand directions..
P.S.Now you'll go to find were the Bear-Islands are?? Come on (ben), be serious! Stereotype,you say,it's reserved for non-original Uncle Ben's!With Ermal..,I can speak-he belongs somewhere "here" with more rights to speak about!

Andi!?? What's going on here,the CIA is bringing the writers-squad here?? Let's say I'm wrong!Let's say you know something about politics,you worry so much about Balkan people,you have great simpathy for Mesic (you're very well informed "there") and you want to inform us about something can "bring us" Serbs on right way...THANK YOU SO MUCH!!

Andi,we know "what should have been done" very well..,but there's our greatness,we didn't..And YOU CROATS did "that" using any chance! You're able TO RENOUNCE ANY CRIMINAL PAST..,and to sign any "SSA" have been put under your nose all over your history!!That make difference between MEN and AUSTRIAN SHEPHERD!!

We are not trying desperately nothing!WE ARE TAKING BREATH at the moment..And if ANY of those Western "powers" were isolated (peanuts not counted) so long,confronting similar pressure-we were..,they're last breath would be at the middle of everything!

"Irreverable"..(I must copy/paste that..,it's damn difficult to write that..) is irreversible!!Take care Andy,you cannot apply for CIA with that English..,I'll NOT do that for you!! IRREVERSIBLE IS NOTHING!!Don't have to be physicist to know that!KOSOVO IS SERBIA,why should somebody reverse something!Rebuild is a proper word..,maby."Albanian manual workers are rebuilding Serb Monasteries",etc.
Andi,Mesic is crying over your comment right now.Andi..,who will cry because of Mesic "comment" tomorrow??

"We must stop being hostage of the past and the historical myths", Mesić said after meeting with Albanian counterpart Bamir Topi.

Sounds like a perfectly reasonable comment from a nation that deny they were once Orthodox Serbs.

Ermal, trying to separate people by religion is so 11th century. They are either Croats or Serbs. To you, are Muslim Serbs, full Serbs or "Muslim Serbs" ?

Kosovo is reality, says Mesić.
So maybe all these are realities, Mr Mesic - Taiwan, Abhkhazia, South Ossetia, Transdenister, Nogorno-Karabakh, Kurdistan, Vermont, Basque, Scotland etc etc etc...

Well, the fact that Kosovo is only a illegal, occupied, puppet US/NATO state is the bigger reality.

And the REAL FACT that Kosovo is an integral part of GREATER SERBIA is the biggest reality...!

So maybe, Mesic finds his reality/ties in his dreams...!!

Ermal: I don't think its fair to play with the national identity of the people.

So please respect.

In other hand you have this "expert" in history of Jove that denies everything that his stereotypes do not cover. And all he need to do is look to the map and see who lives in North and who in South and ask some logical questions.

Kosovo is reality indeed - President Mesic is not delusional here but those who go on desperatley trying to reverse something irreverable. It is very clear who adhers to democratic European values on this peninsula and they seem to understand each other quite well. There is a reason why Serbia has not and will not sign an SSA with the EU, because it remains hostage of its own criminal passt and wont renounce it like Croatia did before it signed the SSA. I think Serbia needs to have a period of self-reflection and political maturity - but more importantly - elect a new political leadership that will govern on the grounds of what needs to be done and not what should have been done.

I only want to clarify that my earlier comment, number 15, was addressed to Ermal, not to Mesic.
For some reason B92 dropped this from the comment...

Independent Istra is reality. Istra is returning to it's mother state. It is just measute of time when it will become part of Italy. Viva Italia!

And it is definitely time for the EU to take a stronger line to encourage Serbians returning to Krajina - without harassment and with a promise of UDI.
They have a much stronger case than the Albanians who lay claim to Kosovo.

Independent Kosovo per se is not the new reality. De facto partition at the Ibar is the reality on the ground.

It's a pity that the Orthodox Croats (of course the discourse is reversible in the sense that the Croats can be viewed as Catholic Serbs) do not understand this.

Ermal,

I assume you are a "Serbian Muslim" then?

No??? Do I hear the outrage and complaining from the Albanians...?

Why must I (a Krajina Serb) be an "Orthodox Croat" whilst you are now the completely fabricated nationality "Kovovar" (that is the true myth of the Balkans).

"We must stop being hostage of the past and the historical myths", Mesić said after meeting with Albanian counterpart Bamir Topi.
This is the same what I have repeated a few times in my comments. With myths and folklorics mind there is no peace and prosperity in Balkan. That's why future of Serbia in Europe is seen from many as imposible.

...reality,says Mesic.MR.MESIC,WHAT'S REALITY??Is there reality of this second,day..,or years??It's proven by CENTURIES that Serb reality is unbeatable.We are not.unfortunatelly,a nation surrounded by friends,eather island-isolated..,eather we are powered by blood-colonial goods or targeting momental interests..Despite that,we have something longer,stronger and more valuable..We have "all of you" to make us sure we're right...,that's nothing about few years or few decades!The reality is that we have enimies to make us diamond,precious Slav blood in our veins to keep us what we are,God belongs to the sky for Serbs and on the earth we see Greeks!Need better?!WE KNOW TO DEAL WITH CENTURIES,PRESERVING WHAT WE ARE!ABOUT REALITY AND DEFINITION OF THAT WORD NOBODY* CAN SPEAK-WITHOUT TO CONSULT SERBS!!

*-(exept God and Greeks)

And to Ermal-comment: Orthodox Croats??Catholic Serbs??WHAT'S THAT NOW?? Dear Ermal,you have "road to go"..,to understand what it means PRESERVED GENES!!We were 500 years under Turkish "presence". Upper mentioned do not have to do with Serbs!We speak about Serb property here.Orthodox Serb living in momental Croatian borders??Is that you wanted to say?

Ben,sorry I change that-(ben),it's about self respect,get yourself that feeling,it's nice ! Ben..,what are you doing in those affairs..to have Ervin in one and some "expert" in another "hand"...What's your "profession" in all of this?? There's nothing about subject/theme you mentioned..,and that's suspicious ! Who's the "expert" you're talking about?? Are you payed to do this ? Serbian education is good enough to know that NORTH is a Svalbard-Bear Island (meteorological station) and we know who live there...SOUTH lives our friend Muammar Al-Gaddafi and that's OK ! Are you satisfied (ben) ? We know very well who lives where but we have damn GOOD MEMORY about what can affect us from..,wherever ! 6-of April 1941 from the NORTH arrived Strafgericht leaving in short interval of time 17.000 dead Serbs..."Operation punishment"..,for what?? SOUTH was "reserved" for SS-Skenderbeg,a bit later..That's all the same to me -who's "living" where..There's not E-W-N-S as direction somebody is "living"..Are there "living" Euro-American cowards..,from where the bombs were felling down..,are they on the sky?? Life is everywhere and everywhere are "living" (ben)!!For a Serb death lives everywhere,it's not about four-basic but thousand directions..
P.S.Now you'll go to find were the Bear-Islands are?? Come on (ben), be serious! Stereotype,you say,it's reserved for non-original Uncle Ben's!With Ermal..,I can speak-he belongs somewhere "here" with more rights to speak about!

Andi!?? What's going on here,the CIA is bringing the writers-squad here?? Let's say I'm wrong!Let's say you know something about politics,you worry so much about Balkan people,you have great simpathy for Mesic (you're very well informed "there") and you want to inform us about something can "bring us" Serbs on right way...THANK YOU SO MUCH!!

Andi,we know "what should have been done" very well..,but there's our greatness,we didn't..And YOU CROATS did "that" using any chance! You're able TO RENOUNCE ANY CRIMINAL PAST..,and to sign any "SSA" have been put under your nose all over your history!!That make difference between MEN and AUSTRIAN SHEPHERD!!

We are not trying desperately nothing!WE ARE TAKING BREATH at the moment..And if ANY of those Western "powers" were isolated (peanuts not counted) so long,confronting similar pressure-we were..,they're last breath would be at the middle of everything!

"Irreverable"..(I must copy/paste that..,it's damn difficult to write that..) is irreversible!!Take care Andy,you cannot apply for CIA with that English..,I'll NOT do that for you!! IRREVERSIBLE IS NOTHING!!Don't have to be physicist to know that!KOSOVO IS SERBIA,why should somebody reverse something!Rebuild is a proper word..,maby."Albanian manual workers are rebuilding Serb Monasteries",etc.
Andi,Mesic is crying over your comment right now.Andi..,who will cry because of Mesic "comment" tomorrow??

"We must stop being hostage of the past and the historical myths", Mesić said after meeting with Albanian counterpart Bamir Topi.

Sounds like a perfectly reasonable comment from a nation that deny they were once Orthodox Serbs.

Kosovo is reality, says Mesić.
So maybe all these are realities, Mr Mesic - Taiwan, Abhkhazia, South Ossetia, Transdenister, Nogorno-Karabakh, Kurdistan, Vermont, Basque, Scotland etc etc etc...

Well, the fact that Kosovo is only a illegal, occupied, puppet US/NATO state is the bigger reality.

And the REAL FACT that Kosovo is an integral part of GREATER SERBIA is the biggest reality...!

So maybe, Mesic finds his reality/ties in his dreams...!!

Mr Mesic, Kosovo is a reality for only a handfull of countries. Majority of the world lives in a different reality to yours.

This business of the whole world supports Kosovo is really getting old now. Unless the world recognises Kosovo then it is not reality as you say.

You have a long way to go to realize your reality.

President Mesic, 38 out of the 192 nations see one reality, your reality. 144 out of 192, see a reality different to yours. So tell me President Mesic, who is really out of step here?

Yeah, we all saw mesic's delusional view of reality during his recent toast to bush when he said Nikola Tesla was croatian and the croatians fought on the side of the allies against the nazis. He probably believes that the sun revolves around him because he is a descendant of the sun-god.

Olli,
Interesting Quote to place in a comment section where everyone voices their opinion.
Self-reflection??

Kosovo is reality indeed - President Mesic is not delusional here but those who go on desperatley trying to reverse something irreverable. It is very clear who adhers to democratic European values on this peninsula and they seem to understand each other quite well. There is a reason why Serbia has not and will not sign an SSA with the EU, because it remains hostage of its own criminal passt and wont renounce it like Croatia did before it signed the SSA. I think Serbia needs to have a period of self-reflection and political maturity - but more importantly - elect a new political leadership that will govern on the grounds of what needs to be done and not what should have been done.

orthodox Croats??? :)

ermal, is that some kind of ineffectual attempt to spread some provocations?

you certainly still believe to be a descendant of the illyrians... :)

please give us more lessons on history! you´re amusing not only me, I guess!

"Orthodox Croats" would imply that Serbs were Roman Catholic before they became Orthodox which is not true. They were from the start Orthodox Christians.

On the other hand, Catholic powers have, through the centuries, and backed up by wealthy nearby Catholic power centers - Venice, Rome, etc. sought to convert and spread their religion in the Balkans.

And why should Serbia recognize a huge theft done by lies, set-up, and terrorist bombing? Why should it recognize a NATO-base narco statelet with mass murdering thugs and ethnic cleansers as its politicians. Ceku, Thachi , and crime clans running the show with manipulative foreign money.

It does Serbia no good whatsoever except to say that Serbia's borders are open for grabs and Serbs will eventually get over it - so, hey, let's keep pushing.

Ermal, trying to separate people by religion is so 11th century. They are either Croats or Serbs. To you, are Muslim Serbs, full Serbs or "Muslim Serbs" ?

And what is the independent north? What are the enclaves where the illegal Albanian government cannot go? What are the upcoming elections on May 12? That is the reality. A fractured province, not a state, a PROVINCE.

Lip service... Reality of what? What's the point? Any good solutions in sight?

I was sure that no-one would beat Slovenia's Rupel in pure stupidity.

There's a saying in the Bible that you brought to my mind: A fool has no other joy in his life than to voice his opinions.

Ermal: I don't think its fair to play with the national identity of the people.

So please respect.

In other hand you have this "expert" in history of Jove that denies everything that his stereotypes do not cover. And all he need to do is look to the map and see who lives in North and who in South and ask some logical questions.

“… We must stop being hostage of the past and the historical myths", Mesić said”

Fine mr. Mesic. We will start to believe you as soon as you give us Krajina back. After that, you only need to honestly admit crimes which you was part of, accept well deserved punishment for that, most of other Croat political figures need to do the same, all Serb refugees from Croatia to go back to their homes, Krajina to get autonomy. Then we can reconcile with each other and get back to normal life. If you are not ready to do this, don’t even border talking to us.

I only want to clarify that my earlier comment, number 15, was addressed to Ermal, not to Mesic.
For some reason B92 dropped this from the comment...