Lavrov: Kosovo could drag Europe back

That's a very interesting comment!

Do you know why George Bush came to Albania last year? Have you heard about the US sponsored European Oil pipeline that needs to go through Albania? Clearly, a tradeoff, Albania agrees to this pipeline, but ONLY if the US recognizes Kosovo! Who's hypocritical? And do you really think Bush cares about the Albanian population in Kosovo? it's all about money!

to : JB enemy of Russia

Some folks here go crazy that the Russians and the Serbs at every level has got a strong mutual sympathy lasting for centuries. I think there are two kind of the Europeans to come to B-92. Some are here to support the Serbs being treated so unjust by the Yankees and their coward European satellites.

But there's another kind of visitors ( LIKE YOU )who do not care about Serbia. These people come here because of their pathological hatred of Russia. They fear Russia will be a little bit stronger with Serbia. These peolpe are enemies of both the Serbs and the Russians. So we have to read their recomendations and always do quite the opposite.

So Mr.JB don't worry you can do nothing about our brotherhood ! This is not like friendship of Putin and Berlusconi ! This is brotherhood of the whole two nations saved in the centuries.

С НАМИ БОГ !

My message to the Serbs is simply judge countries on how they have treated you in the past and present, not what they say today. The us (and eu) encouraged the break-up of Yugoslavia and fanned the flames of the subsequent civil-religious war. The us should have hosted an international conference on Yugoslavia in 1990 and warned all of the ethnic groups in Yugoslavia that the us would not recognize any new nations unless it was agreed upon by all of the ethnic groups. Instead, the us proved to be too politically immature to envision real diplomacy and, instead, recognized UDIs. This is why Kosovo only has less than 40 recognitions and a MAJORITY of the world dislikes the us. Since the collapse of the Soviet Union, what have the Russians done against the Serbs? This notion that the us wants to be friends with Serbia is completely false. To the us, the Serbs are just another group in a world of foreigners that the us has always and will always disrespect. In spite of the hundreds of billions of dollars spent on iraq, most americans could not care less about the iraqis. Any so-called "american" poster on this website who denies this is simply LYING.

JB, 20 April 2008 22:57

1. I am however suspicious of the good intentions of Russia. I see you refer to me as an Enemy of Russia, why is this ?

- Read your post N.1 here to see why. You mixed all your false arguments together to prove that Russia is bad. But you missed to mention that both Georgia and Moldavia has been created by Russia alone and that during the last 2000 years they have never existed neither as independent coutrieas nor as separate nations. Moldavians were considered to be a sort of Romanians and the Geogians were composed of several hostile Kartli tribes that had always fought each other before Russia came and in 3 bloody wars against Turkey and Iran saved the Georgians from total elimination. Every Moldavian or a Georgian will tell it to you. By the way why Moldova is still not reunited with their "Motherland" Romania ?

2. You hate Gasprom as a tool of our foreign policy but it's a much better tool that those implemented by the West to use monetary blackmail and military attacks at independent nations. You also wonder who is in charge of Russian policy. But it's evident we are a Presidential Federation.

3. is it the Russian way, to beleive that if two sides do not agree that it makes them enemies?

- Shortly it isn't. But we are not that stupid to trust the force which has nearly ruined us with hudreads of evidence of hostile acts even when your Eltsyn satellite ruled in Kremlin. So we consider other sides' interests but we can see no good will on the behalf of the US and their satellites to trust you as easy as we used to do.

4. I am a strong believer that those who go around accusing people of being enemies, have a very small mind.

- It's a good approach so if you have a closer look at your post 1 here you may start to improve yourself. For us you are not dangerous not only because we are the only totally independent European state but because you are an open enemy which is always easy to neutralize. If you dare to reveal which of the hostile county you represent here I will explain you the things with the samples from your own history.

5. For me Russia and Serbia are two seperate entities, one with a European future, and the other without.

- Please don't you ever make me comment such silly things. Otherwise I may look out like you which doesn't come to my plannings !

6. I suggest you grow up, stop accusing and brandishing and welcome different opinions.

- What's wrong with your memory ? Look at the first posts of your own and my reply to it ! It was you who accused Russia of everything that came to you head ! I only said you are not a dagerous enemy to come here not for the Serbs but for the Russians to become stronger than it was planned in Brussels ... If the West have done only 50% of what it has promised to Serbia you would not face a problem of loosing this state ! Now that they have a strong and decisive partner you feel panic but it's too late. Very soon Russia will provide them with massive support enough to stop the Western blackmail.

6. We really have a lot of problems to be solved inside Russia but our external policy enjoys the support of some 95% of citizens and even Putin can do nothing about it to tell nothin of you ...

С НАМИ БОГ ! А С ВАМИ КТО ?

JB, 21 April 2008 12:55

You are a helpless demagogue who fears even to say the country where he is barking from. I forgive you cause you are too weak to be called an enemy.

While your country happily encourages the carving up of Georgia and Moldova etc. Hypocrite! Oh, but then again, those countries aren't trying to do a Gazprom deal with you are they? Who is in charge of Russian policy, is it the DUMA or is it Gazprom?

For comment number 3.

I am in no way anti-Serbian, infact i support whole heartedly their claim on Kosovo. I also support their joining of the EU. I am ashamed of the way many countries have supported Kosovo UDI. I am however suspicious of the good intentions of Russia. I see you refer to me as an Enemy of Russia, why is this? Surely it points out waht sort of mentality you have. Tell me, is it the Russian way, to beleive that if two sides do not agree that it makes them enemies? Or is this, as i hope just your view on things. I am a strong believer that those who go around accusing people of being enemies, have a very small mind. Is this the case with you? I suggest you grow up, stop accusing and brandishing and welcome different opinions. For me Russia and Serbia are two seperate entities, one with a European future, and the other without. Kosovo is Serbia, Serbia is Europe. If there are people who don't agree with me, please say, but as i said, just because we have different opinions it does not mean we are enemies.

To the Russian. You just displayed what this argument is all about for you, it's not about Serbia, it's not about Kosovo. You care not for Serbia.

We all know and are well prepared where Russia stands. It is not an easy work to remove the Bolshevik mentality of the "war against the capitalism" and "we starve but do not give up our ideology". Now in Russian politics only the strategy has changed "Devide and Rule". According to Russia only those countries whom opose the Kosova's independence are upholding international law which according to the Russian politians should be read Serbo-Russian interest. I would say that those countries whom are behind in recognising Kosova's independence are showing how relevant are in the world politics.

" ... Some folks ... go crazy that the Russians and the Serbs at every level has got a strong mutual sympathy lasting for centuries..."

Yes, they do, but fortunately, they can't do anything about that. Our ties run to deep for them to reach...

"... They fear Russia will be a little bit stronger with Serbia..."

Yes, and they are right about that. They know very well that they can't count on Serbs when next stage of planed onslaught on Russia begins. They now that in such situation Serbs would most probably steer considerable trouble in vulnerable and strategically important flanks, as happened in the past. So, this time they wont to annihilatie Serbs first.

".... So we have to read their recommendations and always do quite the opposite. ..."

Yes. That's also one of the only two positive things about all these "friendly" messages of "friendly" western diplomats as Solana, Holbroek, various US and German ambasadors, e.c.t.
Second positive is that they also usually enrage Serb public, strengthening the resistance...

"... because we have different opinions it does not mean we are enemies..."

JB, in Principe yes, but it also depends on opinion. When for example Zbigniew Brezinsky express his opinion that Russia should be destroyed and divided in many small, weak territories, exploited by western companies, kept in pre industrial stage of development, I would say that most definitely he is an enemy of Russia.

“…. To the Russian. You just displayed what this argument is all about for you, it's not about Serbia, it's not about Kosovo. Yu care not for Serbia….”

A bit to simplistic. It is about Serbia but it is also part of the Grand chessboard, of course. Everything is.

"... I am a strong believer that those who go around accusing people of being enemies, have a very small mind. ..." "Devide and Rule"
JB, EA, If that is the case, US administration should be your target. No one else is so paranoid these days. They are also the only ones who officially stated that countries have to choose are they with them or against them.

We all know and are well prepared where Russia stands. It is not an easy work to remove the Bolshevik mentality of the "war against the capitalism" and "we starve but do not give up our ideology". Now in Russian politics only the strategy has changed "Devide and Rule". According to Russia only those countries whom opose the Kosova's independence are upholding international law which according to the Russian politians should be read Serbo-Russian interest. I would say that those countries whom are behind in recognising Kosova's independence are showing how relevant are in the world politics.

While your country happily encourages the carving up of Georgia and Moldova etc. Hypocrite! Oh, but then again, those countries aren't trying to do a Gazprom deal with you are they? Who is in charge of Russian policy, is it the DUMA or is it Gazprom?

That's a very interesting comment!

Do you know why George Bush came to Albania last year? Have you heard about the US sponsored European Oil pipeline that needs to go through Albania? Clearly, a tradeoff, Albania agrees to this pipeline, but ONLY if the US recognizes Kosovo! Who's hypocritical? And do you really think Bush cares about the Albanian population in Kosovo? it's all about money!

to : JB enemy of Russia

Some folks here go crazy that the Russians and the Serbs at every level has got a strong mutual sympathy lasting for centuries. I think there are two kind of the Europeans to come to B-92. Some are here to support the Serbs being treated so unjust by the Yankees and their coward European satellites.

But there's another kind of visitors ( LIKE YOU )who do not care about Serbia. These people come here because of their pathological hatred of Russia. They fear Russia will be a little bit stronger with Serbia. These peolpe are enemies of both the Serbs and the Russians. So we have to read their recomendations and always do quite the opposite.

So Mr.JB don't worry you can do nothing about our brotherhood ! This is not like friendship of Putin and Berlusconi ! This is brotherhood of the whole two nations saved in the centuries.

С НАМИ БОГ !

For comment number 3.

I am in no way anti-Serbian, infact i support whole heartedly their claim on Kosovo. I also support their joining of the EU. I am ashamed of the way many countries have supported Kosovo UDI. I am however suspicious of the good intentions of Russia. I see you refer to me as an Enemy of Russia, why is this? Surely it points out waht sort of mentality you have. Tell me, is it the Russian way, to beleive that if two sides do not agree that it makes them enemies? Or is this, as i hope just your view on things. I am a strong believer that those who go around accusing people of being enemies, have a very small mind. Is this the case with you? I suggest you grow up, stop accusing and brandishing and welcome different opinions. For me Russia and Serbia are two seperate entities, one with a European future, and the other without. Kosovo is Serbia, Serbia is Europe. If there are people who don't agree with me, please say, but as i said, just because we have different opinions it does not mean we are enemies.

JB, 21 April 2008 12:55

You are a helpless demagogue who fears even to say the country where he is barking from. I forgive you cause you are too weak to be called an enemy.

My message to the Serbs is simply judge countries on how they have treated you in the past and present, not what they say today. The us (and eu) encouraged the break-up of Yugoslavia and fanned the flames of the subsequent civil-religious war. The us should have hosted an international conference on Yugoslavia in 1990 and warned all of the ethnic groups in Yugoslavia that the us would not recognize any new nations unless it was agreed upon by all of the ethnic groups. Instead, the us proved to be too politically immature to envision real diplomacy and, instead, recognized UDIs. This is why Kosovo only has less than 40 recognitions and a MAJORITY of the world dislikes the us. Since the collapse of the Soviet Union, what have the Russians done against the Serbs? This notion that the us wants to be friends with Serbia is completely false. To the us, the Serbs are just another group in a world of foreigners that the us has always and will always disrespect. In spite of the hundreds of billions of dollars spent on iraq, most americans could not care less about the iraqis. Any so-called "american" poster on this website who denies this is simply LYING.

JB, 20 April 2008 22:57

1. I am however suspicious of the good intentions of Russia. I see you refer to me as an Enemy of Russia, why is this ?

- Read your post N.1 here to see why. You mixed all your false arguments together to prove that Russia is bad. But you missed to mention that both Georgia and Moldavia has been created by Russia alone and that during the last 2000 years they have never existed neither as independent coutrieas nor as separate nations. Moldavians were considered to be a sort of Romanians and the Geogians were composed of several hostile Kartli tribes that had always fought each other before Russia came and in 3 bloody wars against Turkey and Iran saved the Georgians from total elimination. Every Moldavian or a Georgian will tell it to you. By the way why Moldova is still not reunited with their "Motherland" Romania ?

2. You hate Gasprom as a tool of our foreign policy but it's a much better tool that those implemented by the West to use monetary blackmail and military attacks at independent nations. You also wonder who is in charge of Russian policy. But it's evident we are a Presidential Federation.

3. is it the Russian way, to beleive that if two sides do not agree that it makes them enemies?

- Shortly it isn't. But we are not that stupid to trust the force which has nearly ruined us with hudreads of evidence of hostile acts even when your Eltsyn satellite ruled in Kremlin. So we consider other sides' interests but we can see no good will on the behalf of the US and their satellites to trust you as easy as we used to do.

4. I am a strong believer that those who go around accusing people of being enemies, have a very small mind.

- It's a good approach so if you have a closer look at your post 1 here you may start to improve yourself. For us you are not dangerous not only because we are the only totally independent European state but because you are an open enemy which is always easy to neutralize. If you dare to reveal which of the hostile county you represent here I will explain you the things with the samples from your own history.

5. For me Russia and Serbia are two seperate entities, one with a European future, and the other without.

- Please don't you ever make me comment such silly things. Otherwise I may look out like you which doesn't come to my plannings !

6. I suggest you grow up, stop accusing and brandishing and welcome different opinions.

- What's wrong with your memory ? Look at the first posts of your own and my reply to it ! It was you who accused Russia of everything that came to you head ! I only said you are not a dagerous enemy to come here not for the Serbs but for the Russians to become stronger than it was planned in Brussels ... If the West have done only 50% of what it has promised to Serbia you would not face a problem of loosing this state ! Now that they have a strong and decisive partner you feel panic but it's too late. Very soon Russia will provide them with massive support enough to stop the Western blackmail.

6. We really have a lot of problems to be solved inside Russia but our external policy enjoys the support of some 95% of citizens and even Putin can do nothing about it to tell nothin of you ...

С НАМИ БОГ ! А С ВАМИ КТО ?

To the Russian. You just displayed what this argument is all about for you, it's not about Serbia, it's not about Kosovo. You care not for Serbia.

" ... Some folks ... go crazy that the Russians and the Serbs at every level has got a strong mutual sympathy lasting for centuries..."

Yes, they do, but fortunately, they can't do anything about that. Our ties run to deep for them to reach...

"... They fear Russia will be a little bit stronger with Serbia..."

Yes, and they are right about that. They know very well that they can't count on Serbs when next stage of planed onslaught on Russia begins. They now that in such situation Serbs would most probably steer considerable trouble in vulnerable and strategically important flanks, as happened in the past. So, this time they wont to annihilatie Serbs first.

".... So we have to read their recommendations and always do quite the opposite. ..."

Yes. That's also one of the only two positive things about all these "friendly" messages of "friendly" western diplomats as Solana, Holbroek, various US and German ambasadors, e.c.t.
Second positive is that they also usually enrage Serb public, strengthening the resistance...

"... because we have different opinions it does not mean we are enemies..."

JB, in Principe yes, but it also depends on opinion. When for example Zbigniew Brezinsky express his opinion that Russia should be destroyed and divided in many small, weak territories, exploited by western companies, kept in pre industrial stage of development, I would say that most definitely he is an enemy of Russia.

“…. To the Russian. You just displayed what this argument is all about for you, it's not about Serbia, it's not about Kosovo. Yu care not for Serbia….”

A bit to simplistic. It is about Serbia but it is also part of the Grand chessboard, of course. Everything is.

"... I am a strong believer that those who go around accusing people of being enemies, have a very small mind. ..." "Devide and Rule"
JB, EA, If that is the case, US administration should be your target. No one else is so paranoid these days. They are also the only ones who officially stated that countries have to choose are they with them or against them.