Pack: Local elections violate 1244

“It is clear that Resolution 1244 doesn’t allow the organization of the Serbian local elections in Kosovo. I’m not talking about parliamentary elections, but about the local vote. Such elections aren’t valid and are unacceptable,” she said in Priština after a meeting with UNMIK Chief Joachim Ruecker Friday."

It is also clear that 1244 recognized Serbian sovereignty over Kosovo, a point Ms Pack conveniently "forgot".

Quote...[It is also clear that 1244 recognized Serbian sovereignty over Kosovo, a point Ms Pack conveniently "forgot".]
(lowe, 19 April 2008 15:41)

Well said lowe,

What can we expect from this woman, she is after all in the same party as Angela Merkel and we all know her stance.

Kosovo i Metohija je Srbija.

It's just so funny that 37 countries in the world did not have to respect UNSCR1244 when recognizing Kosovo, but now they demand Serbia respect it with regards to Serbian elections in Kosovo.

Sorry, but does does anyone else here think that this is the most stupid thing about this whole Kosovo affair, this bending of UNSCR1244 to suit one's agenda? What should stop Serbia from now "violating" UNSCR1244, if the West have done exactly the same thing?

This is precisely why both sides need to sit down and negotiate in order to come up with a solid, concrete status for Kosovo that EVERYONE agrees on, because right now the West have gone and created a big, bloody mess in Kosovo.

Come on Peter, you know it, I know it, they know it, we all know it ;that there is no going back and no negotiations about the status.
(Ahmet isufi, 19 April 2008 17:57)

This where we differ Ahmed.In the balkans there is ALWAYS going back! But that is a misnomer, because to say going back to something, is to imply that you have actually achieved something, when in fact you have not. You still remain a province of Serbia!.

We never recognized Turk claims over the province, having eventually bounced them out,restoring sovereignty over our land, because it is a part of our consciousness. You cannot understand this because Albanians do not have the same affections or investments in the province as do Serbs. How could they, their history their is very brief. The fact that they have built NO cultural landmarks is quite telling. What "modern" building you do have, the Serbs built for you. There is no greater definition of a tenant than this.

I assure you, you will once again see the Serbian flag in Pristina, as well as a resurgence and Serbian renaissance that will rival the medieval glory before our land was decimated the Turk invaders, and by those who filled the void.

No Ahmed, all of Serbia's enemies have gone back eventually, in one form or another: austrians, germans, turks, and now...

Every day, your phony independence slips away. Every day you don't have your boasted 100 recognitions, you get weaker. Every day, both the Russians and the Serbs get bolder and more defiant. Your time has passed, you are the outcasts, not Serbia. In three weeks, Montenegro got 191 recognitions and a seat in the UN. What did you get? Your declaration was premature, your status has not changed. Your hero, george bush, will leave office soon and wash his hands of you, just as he denies responsibility for Iraq. You trusted the wrong man. When Iraq crashes, so will you when america changes its ways.

Quote [and that the final status would be settled according to the Rambouillet talks, which stated that Kosova/o final status should be settled according to the wishes of the majority.]

Johny I was mediocre at mathematics at school but 38 of 192 was never a majority at my Scottish school. Maybe in your country it is? So effectively you do not have the majority and we are now 2 month down the line. Was there a time period in your make believe UDI.

So what you are saying is that it will only be LEGAL when the majority recognise.

Things are looking bad Johny..even UNMIK are holding secret talks if you believe your propaganda...oops press!

Kosovo i Metohija je Srbija

Pack also claimed that Kosovo institutions should "do as much as they can so that Kosovo Serbs would have confidence in the new Kosovo constitution".

Very clear message from Europe about new Kosovo constitution. In second part of this year Kosovo institutions will build the foundations of democratic institution of Kosovo.

"Peter, either you are naive, biased or brainwashed. What Serbs don't want you to know about 1244 is that it secures the sovereignty of JUGOSLAVIA ONLY DURING THE TRANSITIONAL PERIOD, and that the final status would be settled according to the Rambouillet talks, which stated that Kosova/o final status should be settled according to the wishes of the majority. That is what we did on Feb 17, which brought the transitional period to an end and which ended the sovereignty of JUGOSLAVIA over Kosova/o. Hence we acted according to 1244. So did the countries that recognized us. If you or any non Serb is interested in justice please read these documents fully.
(johny, 19 April 2008 18:37) "

johny,

it is YOU who have misinterpreted/misrepresentedthe part of 1244 about Rambouillet.

Let me reproduce for everyone's benefit the last part of the Rambouillet Accords which is relevant for discussion here in double brackets:

((Three years after entry into force of the Accords, an international meeting will be convened to determine a mechanism for a final settlement for Kosovo, on the basis of the will of the people, opinions of relevant authorities, each party's efforts regarding the implementation of the Accords, and the Helsinki Final Act.))

Notice that besides the will of the people in Kosovo, the OPINIONS OF RELEVANT AUTHORITIES (ie. the Belgrade government) MUST be considered too.

Obviously the Feb 17 UDI did not take into account Belgrade's opinion and is therefore itself in fragrant breach of your precious Rambouillet Accords!

Come on Peter, you know it, I know it, they know it, we all know it ;that there is no going back and no negotiations about the status.The only negotiations that will took place soon or later is about good neighborly relations between Republic of Serbia and Kosova.

johny, your claim that UNSC resolution only secures sovereignty durint a transitional period is ludicrous. This is what it actually says:

"A political process towards the establishment of an interim political
framework agreement providing for a substantial self-government for
Kosovo, taking full account of the Rambouillet accords and the
principles of sovereignty and territorial integrity of the Federal
Republic of Yugoslavia and the other countries of the region, and the
demilitarization of the KLA"

And as the Rambouillet were never signed they are not at all binding.

Ahmet

It's never too late for compromise. If indeed most of the world does recognize Kosovo, then maybe it would be different, but for now, it's only a few countries (many are very important, yes, but they are still the minority), which have only caused a big split in the world and no compromise between the parties that matter most here. What does even the big US matter with regards to Kosovo and Serbia's relations with one another?

johny

It doesn't work like that. Serbia is the successor state to Yugoslavia, just like Russia is the successor state of the USSR, just like the Czech Republic is the successor state of Czechoslovakia. Any UN resolution applies for these states as successor states of the ex-conglomerate states.

louie

I have no idea what you are talking about, and I am not looking for friends, just voicing my opinions here, and yes, they do change in light of the developments in the Kosovo situation.

Peter, you have to give it some time my Dear Fellow

37 Countries to recognize Kosovo in a month and a half is a brilliant result
I do not recall any other country to be recognised faster than Kosovo.

as for the people who still do not understand as to why Kosovo and the Wars were lost.
listen to the song by great composer MR. George Balasevic named: We are Guilty ( Mi smo KRIVI)

Serbian youth want to be visited by the Rock bands of the world as it used to be 20 years ago when Belgrade was a true European capital.

The only road for Serbia is Europe and the Euro- Atlantic integration and people of Serbia always knew that.

hey Gjoni, what you fail to understand is... that if it were the way you say here...

the majority was against any secession!

a little bit more honesty would be nice, my dear (albanian) friends.

as to the one who claims 38 "recognitions" in a month-and-a-half a brilliant result...

well, let´s see whether you will have further brilliant results! looks quite like that was it!

Serbia can´t be isolated, you can and in fact, you already are.

you only need time to realize it.

Peter,what is done is done!Your comments are so different each day!One day you are with "partisans"and next day you are with"Germans".Please make up your mind,there is not in between,I would suggest you to follow your country as you are not making friends like this,only you are confusing us!

Constructive role of European parliament should not be worrying even from the perspective a Serbian propagandist. Doris Pack congratulated Kosavar authorities for their encouraging messages and genuine effort in inclusion of minorities. Even the word minority is technically banned in order not to create and psychological handicap towards Serbs. Constant and regular attempts to reach out and reassure non-Albanians are a positive step in the right direction.
Serb Kosovar position is a defensive one. For no fault of their own, they were in a position of disproportionate power where they had to relinquish political control and that is never an easy thing to do. They too have suffered greatly and need time to readjust themselves towards the new reality.
Albanians understand that a significant minority won’t be happy with whatever Kosovars do. That is fair enough but the role of this minority, predominant in this forum, should not be left unchecked even in their propaganda exercises. If a debate is to take place, it will be amongst Serbs and their supporters.
Nonetheless, it should be plain for all to understand that overall Serb interest in Kosova is served better by a constructive relationship with the Albanians.

Peter, either you are naive, biased or brainwashed. What Serbs don't want you to know about 1244 is that it secures the sovereignty of JUGOSLAVIA ONLY DURING THE TRANSITIONAL PERIOD, and that the final status would be settled according to the Rambouillet talks, which stated that Kosova/o final status should be settled according to the wishes of the majority. That is what we did on Feb 17, which brought the transitional period to an end and which ended the sovereignty of JUGOSLAVIA over Kosova/o. Hence we acted according to 1244. So did the countries that recognized us. If you or any non Serb is interested in justice please read these documents fully.

Peter sudyka;
You seem to be experiencing both at the same time. While there are thrilling developments in the air.
Forcing these will only make things worse.
Be patient and you'll learn from them and resolve them for good.

EURO2020KOSOVAALBANIAMONTENEGRO

Pack looks and sounds like a negative protagonist from Jane Austin's novels. Aanachronistic and with a bad sense of humour.

gaz, uk

I don't recall how fast other countries were recognized, perhaps you are right, but the most important ones are five permanent UNSC ones.

I agree that Serbia should not isolate itself (like Kostunica is doing now by recalling ambassadors from other countries and threatening to sue them), however I don't think that Euro-Atlantic integration is the only other option. Switzerland, Norway and Iceland are examples. Serbia can go her own way, she just mustn't go the way Kostunica has mapped so far.

Rocky, London UK

EURO2020KOSOVAALBANIAMONTENEGRO

I wish all three of them the best of luck in developing themselves for a bright future, though in that list there will also be Serbia and Bosnia & Herzegovina too. Kosovo and Serbia must go in at the same time, or this whole thing that the West has planned out for the Balkans will go straight to Hell.

Your paper does not inform whether Doris Pack met any of the Kosovo Serbs and if not why. And if yes why...

Come on Peter, you know it, I know it, they know it, we all know it ;that there is no going back and no negotiations about the status.The only negotiations that will took place soon or later is about good neighborly relations between Republic of Serbia and Kosova.

Pack also claimed that Kosovo institutions should "do as much as they can so that Kosovo Serbs would have confidence in the new Kosovo constitution".

Very clear message from Europe about new Kosovo constitution. In second part of this year Kosovo institutions will build the foundations of democratic institution of Kosovo.

Peter, either you are naive, biased or brainwashed. What Serbs don't want you to know about 1244 is that it secures the sovereignty of JUGOSLAVIA ONLY DURING THE TRANSITIONAL PERIOD, and that the final status would be settled according to the Rambouillet talks, which stated that Kosova/o final status should be settled according to the wishes of the majority. That is what we did on Feb 17, which brought the transitional period to an end and which ended the sovereignty of JUGOSLAVIA over Kosova/o. Hence we acted according to 1244. So did the countries that recognized us. If you or any non Serb is interested in justice please read these documents fully.

“It is clear that Resolution 1244 doesn’t allow the organization of the Serbian local elections in Kosovo. I’m not talking about parliamentary elections, but about the local vote. Such elections aren’t valid and are unacceptable,” she said in Priština after a meeting with UNMIK Chief Joachim Ruecker Friday."

It is also clear that 1244 recognized Serbian sovereignty over Kosovo, a point Ms Pack conveniently "forgot".

Peter,what is done is done!Your comments are so different each day!One day you are with "partisans"and next day you are with"Germans".Please make up your mind,there is not in between,I would suggest you to follow your country as you are not making friends like this,only you are confusing us!

It's just so funny that 37 countries in the world did not have to respect UNSCR1244 when recognizing Kosovo, but now they demand Serbia respect it with regards to Serbian elections in Kosovo.

Sorry, but does does anyone else here think that this is the most stupid thing about this whole Kosovo affair, this bending of UNSCR1244 to suit one's agenda? What should stop Serbia from now "violating" UNSCR1244, if the West have done exactly the same thing?

This is precisely why both sides need to sit down and negotiate in order to come up with a solid, concrete status for Kosovo that EVERYONE agrees on, because right now the West have gone and created a big, bloody mess in Kosovo.

Quote...[It is also clear that 1244 recognized Serbian sovereignty over Kosovo, a point Ms Pack conveniently "forgot".]
(lowe, 19 April 2008 15:41)

Well said lowe,

What can we expect from this woman, she is after all in the same party as Angela Merkel and we all know her stance.

Kosovo i Metohija je Srbija.

Your paper does not inform whether Doris Pack met any of the Kosovo Serbs and if not why. And if yes why...

Peter sudyka;
You seem to be experiencing both at the same time. While there are thrilling developments in the air.
Forcing these will only make things worse.
Be patient and you'll learn from them and resolve them for good.

EURO2020KOSOVAALBANIAMONTENEGRO

Come on Peter, you know it, I know it, they know it, we all know it ;that there is no going back and no negotiations about the status.
(Ahmet isufi, 19 April 2008 17:57)

This where we differ Ahmed.In the balkans there is ALWAYS going back! But that is a misnomer, because to say going back to something, is to imply that you have actually achieved something, when in fact you have not. You still remain a province of Serbia!.

We never recognized Turk claims over the province, having eventually bounced them out,restoring sovereignty over our land, because it is a part of our consciousness. You cannot understand this because Albanians do not have the same affections or investments in the province as do Serbs. How could they, their history their is very brief. The fact that they have built NO cultural landmarks is quite telling. What "modern" building you do have, the Serbs built for you. There is no greater definition of a tenant than this.

I assure you, you will once again see the Serbian flag in Pristina, as well as a resurgence and Serbian renaissance that will rival the medieval glory before our land was decimated the Turk invaders, and by those who filled the void.

No Ahmed, all of Serbia's enemies have gone back eventually, in one form or another: austrians, germans, turks, and now...

Every day, your phony independence slips away. Every day you don't have your boasted 100 recognitions, you get weaker. Every day, both the Russians and the Serbs get bolder and more defiant. Your time has passed, you are the outcasts, not Serbia. In three weeks, Montenegro got 191 recognitions and a seat in the UN. What did you get? Your declaration was premature, your status has not changed. Your hero, george bush, will leave office soon and wash his hands of you, just as he denies responsibility for Iraq. You trusted the wrong man. When Iraq crashes, so will you when america changes its ways.

Quote [and that the final status would be settled according to the Rambouillet talks, which stated that Kosova/o final status should be settled according to the wishes of the majority.]

Johny I was mediocre at mathematics at school but 38 of 192 was never a majority at my Scottish school. Maybe in your country it is? So effectively you do not have the majority and we are now 2 month down the line. Was there a time period in your make believe UDI.

So what you are saying is that it will only be LEGAL when the majority recognise.

Things are looking bad Johny..even UNMIK are holding secret talks if you believe your propaganda...oops press!

Kosovo i Metohija je Srbija

Constructive role of European parliament should not be worrying even from the perspective a Serbian propagandist. Doris Pack congratulated Kosavar authorities for their encouraging messages and genuine effort in inclusion of minorities. Even the word minority is technically banned in order not to create and psychological handicap towards Serbs. Constant and regular attempts to reach out and reassure non-Albanians are a positive step in the right direction.
Serb Kosovar position is a defensive one. For no fault of their own, they were in a position of disproportionate power where they had to relinquish political control and that is never an easy thing to do. They too have suffered greatly and need time to readjust themselves towards the new reality.
Albanians understand that a significant minority won’t be happy with whatever Kosovars do. That is fair enough but the role of this minority, predominant in this forum, should not be left unchecked even in their propaganda exercises. If a debate is to take place, it will be amongst Serbs and their supporters.
Nonetheless, it should be plain for all to understand that overall Serb interest in Kosova is served better by a constructive relationship with the Albanians.

"Peter, either you are naive, biased or brainwashed. What Serbs don't want you to know about 1244 is that it secures the sovereignty of JUGOSLAVIA ONLY DURING THE TRANSITIONAL PERIOD, and that the final status would be settled according to the Rambouillet talks, which stated that Kosova/o final status should be settled according to the wishes of the majority. That is what we did on Feb 17, which brought the transitional period to an end and which ended the sovereignty of JUGOSLAVIA over Kosova/o. Hence we acted according to 1244. So did the countries that recognized us. If you or any non Serb is interested in justice please read these documents fully.
(johny, 19 April 2008 18:37) "

johny,

it is YOU who have misinterpreted/misrepresentedthe part of 1244 about Rambouillet.

Let me reproduce for everyone's benefit the last part of the Rambouillet Accords which is relevant for discussion here in double brackets:

((Three years after entry into force of the Accords, an international meeting will be convened to determine a mechanism for a final settlement for Kosovo, on the basis of the will of the people, opinions of relevant authorities, each party's efforts regarding the implementation of the Accords, and the Helsinki Final Act.))

Notice that besides the will of the people in Kosovo, the OPINIONS OF RELEVANT AUTHORITIES (ie. the Belgrade government) MUST be considered too.

Obviously the Feb 17 UDI did not take into account Belgrade's opinion and is therefore itself in fragrant breach of your precious Rambouillet Accords!

Ahmet

It's never too late for compromise. If indeed most of the world does recognize Kosovo, then maybe it would be different, but for now, it's only a few countries (many are very important, yes, but they are still the minority), which have only caused a big split in the world and no compromise between the parties that matter most here. What does even the big US matter with regards to Kosovo and Serbia's relations with one another?

johny

It doesn't work like that. Serbia is the successor state to Yugoslavia, just like Russia is the successor state of the USSR, just like the Czech Republic is the successor state of Czechoslovakia. Any UN resolution applies for these states as successor states of the ex-conglomerate states.

louie

I have no idea what you are talking about, and I am not looking for friends, just voicing my opinions here, and yes, they do change in light of the developments in the Kosovo situation.

Peter, you have to give it some time my Dear Fellow

37 Countries to recognize Kosovo in a month and a half is a brilliant result
I do not recall any other country to be recognised faster than Kosovo.

as for the people who still do not understand as to why Kosovo and the Wars were lost.
listen to the song by great composer MR. George Balasevic named: We are Guilty ( Mi smo KRIVI)

Serbian youth want to be visited by the Rock bands of the world as it used to be 20 years ago when Belgrade was a true European capital.

The only road for Serbia is Europe and the Euro- Atlantic integration and people of Serbia always knew that.

Pack looks and sounds like a negative protagonist from Jane Austin's novels. Aanachronistic and with a bad sense of humour.

johny, your claim that UNSC resolution only secures sovereignty durint a transitional period is ludicrous. This is what it actually says:

"A political process towards the establishment of an interim political
framework agreement providing for a substantial self-government for
Kosovo, taking full account of the Rambouillet accords and the
principles of sovereignty and territorial integrity of the Federal
Republic of Yugoslavia and the other countries of the region, and the
demilitarization of the KLA"

And as the Rambouillet were never signed they are not at all binding.

hey Gjoni, what you fail to understand is... that if it were the way you say here...

the majority was against any secession!

a little bit more honesty would be nice, my dear (albanian) friends.

as to the one who claims 38 "recognitions" in a month-and-a-half a brilliant result...

well, let´s see whether you will have further brilliant results! looks quite like that was it!

Serbia can´t be isolated, you can and in fact, you already are.

you only need time to realize it.

gaz, uk

I don't recall how fast other countries were recognized, perhaps you are right, but the most important ones are five permanent UNSC ones.

I agree that Serbia should not isolate itself (like Kostunica is doing now by recalling ambassadors from other countries and threatening to sue them), however I don't think that Euro-Atlantic integration is the only other option. Switzerland, Norway and Iceland are examples. Serbia can go her own way, she just mustn't go the way Kostunica has mapped so far.

Rocky, London UK

EURO2020KOSOVAALBANIAMONTENEGRO

I wish all three of them the best of luck in developing themselves for a bright future, though in that list there will also be Serbia and Bosnia & Herzegovina too. Kosovo and Serbia must go in at the same time, or this whole thing that the West has planned out for the Balkans will go straight to Hell.