Koštunica: Serbia has no alternative

@Azir: The fact that minorities exist in Serbia is evidence of how tolerant and Serbs are. Just compare their lives to minorities that live amongst Albanians and you clearly see a big difference.

"i am very supprised that PM Koshtunica did not make any coment regarding PM Thaqi being invited officially from UNSC , and he will be there tomorrow and get the floor as Kosova PM. Ops, Presidnet Tadiq will be there as well. I wonder if they going to shake hand somewhere in corridors of UN HQ.
(Ahmet isufi, 19 April 2008 13:00)"

Ahmet isufi,

Don't rejoice yet. Thaci is not going to UN as head of a sovereign country, tomorrow or in the future. The late Yasser Arafat are among those who have given speeches at the UN even though they do not head a recognized country.

Also Russia has made clear that Kosovo cannot join the UN, a position that is also supported by China. You are fated to remain a US ward indefinitely.

"# Kosovar Albanians, Vojvodina Hungarians, Presheva Valley Albanians, Sanxhak Moslems, and some Bulgarian regions that all qualify and deserve liberty and the option to reunite with the mother country."

Good lord!

Do you enjoy the concepts of war, anarchy and illegality that you say something that can cause so much trouble without the slightest comprehension of its consequences on peace/stability in the world?

Borders were drawn after WW2 in Europe, they must stay that way and with good reason. Hungarians were an Axis country fighting on the side of Nazis, they must live with the consequences in whatever countries they are in, Sandzak Muslims? Why should they have the right to unite with their "mother country"? Bulgarians? What about Greeks living in the South of Albania, Serbs in the north of Kosovo or Serbs in the South of Kosovo, should they not be given the same right then? Or do only non-Serbs the right to break away from Serbia?

"Why must we continue to insist Serbia exist, for what purpose???"

Serbia has every right to exist in Europe, like any other European nation. Who are you to ask such a question? Why should Albania exist? That should answer your question.

azir,
shame on you! You just gave away your sides ultimate goal (as if we didnt know), the complete destruction of Serbia.

EU + NATO + current vichy government = NO MORE SERBIA!!!

To my Serbian Brothers and Sisters, Kosovo and Bosnia are just the beginning in the continuing demonization and systematic destrution of Serbia by the West. Don't be fooled by the promises of these Western burocrates of false hopes and prosperity. Kostunica is correct in his statements and evaluations of Kosovo and Serbia. The letter attached is absolutely clear of the West's intention now and for the future when it comes to Serbia...and others!

http://www.juliagorin.com/wordpress/?p=1497

If we today give up Kosovo, tomorrow, acting on this principle and established custom, we will give up Vojvodina, and the day after, some third part of our country."

If you oppress and discriminate these part of the country, if you start another war you risk seriosly losing your own country!

If you can't see the parallel between the phony independence of Kosovo and the failed us policy in Iraq, you are politically blind. I would enjoy seeing a picture of Tadic commiting political suicide by shaking hands with the snake. The fact is that america hates countries that defy it and prove to the world that it is not the superpower it thinks it is.

the ineffective attempts to be cynical here, show the desperate position in which the K-albanians find themselves!

unrecognized by over 150 states...,

completely dependent on foreign military presence..

and not to forget the money being sent from other parts in the world where Albanians are active in drugs and prostitution, like NY, Jersey, the London area or Hamburg, Germany...

yes, my dear albanian friends...

you will certainly be left alone with your despair, since there won´t change much in the future because american satellites like the Marshall Islands are not countless...

so, just go on, try to be cynical, ...you´re only displaying your poor position!

@albi: I notice you had nothing to say about the fact that Albanian settlements are very homogenous and how they got that way.

Also, I don't see how Montenegro's secession has anything to do with whether or not Serbs are tolerant to minorities, but then again this wouldn't be the first time your logic was flawed.

i am very supprised that PM Koshtunica did not make any coment regarding PM Thaqi being invited officially from UNSC , and he will be there tomorrow and get the floor as Kosova PM. Ops, Presidnet Tadiq will be there as well. I wonder if they going to shake hand somewhere in corridors of UN HQ.

I guess, many people's on this site profession is hating Serbia. I suggest you to change the object of hatred. It was payable in the 90s, today you should ask your bosses to give you other duties. Best regards.

Montenegro left Jugoslavia because it relied on the vote of its ethnic Albanian minority. As with Kosovo Montenegro's independence had the support of the play ground bully (aka US). Some would argue that the bully supported & instigated Montenegro's independence as a precursor to Kosovo's independence in the mistaken belief that once Jugoslavia did not exist Kosovo could legally secede. The bully had failed to appreciate that Kosovo was an integral part of Serbia. There were other factors that helped, general economic malaise, greed and ambitious politicians. Surely all you serious Balkan observers must know this!

Back to Kostunica's comments recognition of Kosovo is a receipe for disaster not just for Serbia but for every soveriegn state bcause recognition of Kosovo directly rubbishes the idea of soveriegnty. Soveriegnty is being challenged by the playground rules of the bully.

@Klinsman: "The fact that minorities exist in Serbia is evidence of how tolerant and Serbs are."

Existence of minorities in Serbia is only evidence of the huge appetite and great Russian help for Serbia's expansion at the beginning of the 20th century.

As for the tolerance of Serbs, not even Montenegrins, their blood brothers, wanted to stay with them.

What Pera (#11)mentions about Montenegro's separation should be completed by stating that the majority of the Montenegrins didn't vote for the secession at all. The referendum was rigged by two facts.
First, out of 620,ooo of population, about twenty percent of them are not even Montenegrins. Croats(Boka), Albanians(Rozaj and Ulcinj) and Muslims(Plevlja)constitute a solid block of the anti-Serb electorate, very active politically and sufficent to tilt easily the balance in favour of the independence.
Second,Montenegrins living in Serbia were prectically banned from participating in the 'referendum'.This is a case unheard of in the annals of democracies.(Spaniards living in Argentina,Venezuela,just one exemple, regularly participate in Spanish elections).
Everybody knows that the Montenegrin 'diaspora'is almost as numerous as the population of Montenegro.
Under what pressure and threats did the Yugoslav Govenment accept such a warped rule, remains a mystery ( a death wish?).It was the height of the historic irresponsability of our spinless politicians, who couldn't make a stand for fair democratic rules.
So, we ended up with an 'Independent Montenegro' over which looms a curse of Macedonian instability.
As they say, when the Lord wants to punish, He just takes the mind away.

Vojvodina? You think Vojvodina might be taken away from Serbia if you recognise Kosovo, Mr Kostunica? You really think that's likely?

You don't have to scare people with Vojvodina, you've got enough cards on hand to win in May anyway.

Kosovar Albanians, Vojvodina Hungarians, Presheva Valley Albanians, Sanxhak Moslems, and some Bulgarian regions that all qualify and deserve liberty and the option to reunite with the mother country.Yes that's right Mr. Kostunica this world has plenty of countries no longer in existence because their failure to function as civilized societies that respect and tolerate diversity and human rights.Why must we continue to insist Serbia exist, for what purpose???

First, Peter Sudyka,

Your claim isn't technically true. Hungary didn't lose its lands because it was an Axis power during WWII. It lost them already at Trianon in 1920 because it had sided with the belligerent Germany. The fact that it fought on the German side again in WWII just worsened its already very dim chances of getting a piece of the cake when Eastern Europe was redistributed after 1945.

And to be honest, the countries who did get part of the territory hadn't been of the noblest kind either. Romania had sided with Nazi Germany for most of the war (only unlike Hungary they didn't fail in their attempt to change sides in late 1944). Likewise, Serbia's official government as we all know was collaborationist.

I don't want to get too bogged down in WWII history, but my own impression is that Transylvania's being taken away from Hungary after World War I is akin to Kosovo being taken away from Serbia today. Perhaps Transylvania was an even greater trauma, given that the population there was majority Magyar at that time.

Second, I think the whole idea of scrutinising the past for justifying the way borders are being drawn today is fruitless. There are few countries whose borders would be undisputed if that was done. Perhas none at all in Europe? and especially not in the Balkans. And I don't think Hungary has any claim to Vojvodina today at all. Sure, the Magyars' rights could be better protected and that joke of a constitution that was passed in Serbia a few years ago thanks to the spectre of Kosovo could be annulled or reform to give Vojvodina back more of its self-government. But the most important thing isn't within whose borders you live, but that you have a chance to live a good and wholesome life.

Martin

What I meant was the the borders of Europe were confirmed at the end of the war for the purposes of stability, it would not be prudent or safe to redraw them on ethnic lines. Naturally, those minorities must be respected, and I hope that the governments of Slovakia, Romania and Serbia realize this with regards to their Hungarian minorities.

On the other hand, you bring up a good point that there should be no borders in Europe, I truly wish it were like this, just one big border for Europe for non-Europeans, but unfortunately 'tis not so.

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BTW Why is everyone here so preoccupied with Vojvodina breaking away from Serbia when it is 65% Serbian demographically? It just shows that people want to see Serbia destroyed, and it's sad.

Oh right, and another thing, I don't think Hungary would even want Vojvodina if it were allowed to secede. Because that would mean having to integrate hundreds of thousands of Serbs.

“ …. As with Kosovo Montenegro's independence had the support of the play ground bully (aka US). …. as a precursor to Kosovo's independence in the mistaken belief that once Jugoslavia did not exist Kosovo could legally secede….”

Pero, they didn’t make mistake, they know exactly what they are doing. Aside to making us weaker in general terms, Monte Negrian independency means very important strategic loss for us - we lost sea – ports! That was the main US goal in support for Milo.

I agree with Kostunica.

Nicholas Klinsman; you claim that somehow Serbia's minoritie's existence establishs your "proof" of their equal treatment ,happiness and harmony.What if you were to give the victims a chance by actually listening to their pleas for justice, equality and stopping state sponsored discrimination?I know, I know innocent Serbs can never do anyone any harm,all any one needs to do is over look all the minority graves by our friendly and gentle Serbs, who will hopefully get the message through, even to you Mr. Klinsman.You are correct in that in Albania,although the topic is about Serbia,the 10% minorities of which their are no mass graves anywhere to be found.Albania ethnic and religious historical tolerance is much to be admired and followed.Why do you think that Isreal and the Jews love us so much??We are the land of hospitality.Unfortunatly, the same can't be said about Serbia.

"Why must we continue to insist Serbia exist, for what purpose???
(azir, 19 April 2008 15:55)"

In response to such blatant hatred for Serbs, and blind arrogance that you spew on this site day in and day out (with impunity and in tolerance on a Serb site, mind you), a far BETTER question that should be posed is:

Why must WE continue to insist that YOU exist on this site, and for what purpose?

"italy"; no one hates the Serbs just because they are Serbs but everyone isn't in agreement with your self-destructive behavior.Only when the Serbs accept responsibilty and accountabilty will peace stand a chance to win.Actually, if Serbs had other duties other than creating war criminals and keeping the Hague in business and very much busy,the entire world would have benefited. As humans, we owe it to humanity and it's our duty to expose evil and enable victims to achieve justice.It's about truth ,justice,human rights, freedom and righting a wrong. Not about hatred towards anyone.

azir

"Although Albania existance and Ethnic Albania will eventually reappear, because Albanians are a historical fact that all Slavic ethnic cleansing can never erase. We are here to stay indefinatly.We are indestructable and our human rights are inalienable."

But that's precisely what I mean, you can't draw borders according to ethnic lines, it is the worst possible thing for diplomacy and stability in the world, except for a full scale invasion. As a Pole, sure, I should be demanding all the lands we lost at the end of WW2 to Belarus and Ukraine, where there are still a total of about half a million Poles living, but I don't, because I know that what's done is done and drawing ethnic borders in no way promotes tolerance for minorities and peaceful coexistence for ethnic groups. Albanians should be no exception to this rule, you are not special, you are like any other ethnic group, and there are many living within the borders of other countries. Get used to it!

BTW If you want to blame someone for ethnic cleansing, you might want to use the term Serbian, rather than Slavic. We Poles are also Slavic, we did nothing wrong to Albanians, let alone ethnically cleansed you. Same goes for just about every other Slavic group out there.

rolerkoster

I did read the article, but I have noticed many Kosovo Albanians mentioning how Serbia must watch out, or they will lose Vojvodina as well, and it seems to be a big trend, I just ask, well, why would Vojvodina break away if it is mostly Serbian.

BTW I know how the borders in Schengen works, but what does that have to do with what I said earlier to Martin?

Peter wrote "Albanians should be no exception to this rule, you are not special, you are like any other ethnic group, and there are many living within the borders of other countries. Get used to it!"

Your right Peter I will never understand why the albanians just like Azir belive they deserve to take all parts of balkan where they live and unite it in one big albania.

As for Albanians cleansed by slavs, how are they exacly cleansed by slavs or serbs when there was serbs who fought turkish invasion of kosovo and kosovo is more then 95% albanian today!

In the end, there will be no Serbia, ...

Kostunica is scaremongering, but why not ... this is much better than talking about real troubles of Serbia, about budget deficits and failed economic targets under PM Kostunica.

"Kostunica : Serbia has no alternative."
There will be no Kosovo precedent.
There will be no Vojvodina precedent.
There will be no Sandjak or Presevo Valley precedent and Serbia has no alternative but to WHOLLY be in Europe.
America has every right to break up itself, but NO right to break up a sovereign country in Europe.

Peter Sudyka;as victims we , of all people ,would be the last to promote war , anarchy etc....You must have us confused with the Serbs.Yugoslavia's disintegration as a result of Serb aggression invalidated all her claims to all non-Serb areas.Hungarian history and her current direction is on two completely different paths.Originaly Vojvodina belonged to you know who..... You bring up Greeks living in Albania.Well, those 60,000 Albanian citizens of Greek origin are well represented and enjoy equal rights in Albania whereas the Ethnic Albanians existence in Southern Cameria are not even acknowledged by Athens let alone included as equals.Serb in Northern Mitrovica and South Kosova are settlers on extended stays as part of Serbian expansionist conspiracy.They need to either assimilate.Serbia forfeited her rights when she participated in mass murdering of civilians of all non Serbs since 1990's.You ask me "who are you to ask such a question?" Well first of all I'm a concerned former Yugoslavian citizen.Which gives me more of a right on this subject, than you as a Polack.You also ask, without having the respect to answer my original question, why Albania should exist. This has nothing to do with the country of Albania.Although Albania existance and Ethnic Albania will eventually reappear, because Albanians are a historical fact that all Slavic ethnic cleansing can never erase. We are here to stay indefinatly.We are indestructable and our human rights are inalienable.

Nicholas Klinsman; in your comment to Aldi you bring up that Albanian territories are homogenous.Since we suffer historical injustice from the Slavs, very rarely will there ever be any inter-marriages.And they know well the reasons why.Slavs' decision to live near other slavs is what they have chosen to do and no one can make that determination for them,not even some Irishman.Montenegro's declaration of independence is further proof that even their co-ethnic and co-religionist partners can stand them- Serbs.Don't expect any love or sympathy from any non-slavs.Actually, the Serbs logic is greatly flawed and the lack of global support is a direct indication of your proceeding in the wrong direction with your racist Radical party's agenda.

Italy are you calling me a professional? Why, thankyou, I do try my best for the all Albanians in general and more specificly the beautifull people of Kosova. God bless us all.

Mr Rotten, I have a fresh idea for you and all Albanian haters out there.We exist on this B92 site because supposedly it's objective and tries to be fair to all,even though they are Serbians.Which is in it self rather interesting, indeed. My purpose is to expose and somehow awaken the Serbs from their ingrained habitual mis information about Albanians and themselves.Consider my comments your conscience you neglect but you should really listen too.

Peter,

totally with you!

BTW Why is everyone here so preoccupied with Vojvodina breaking away from Serbia when it is 65% Serbian demographically? It just shows that people want to see Serbia destroyed, and it's sad.
(Peter Sudyka, 20 April 2008 12:00)

Mr. Kostunica brought this kind of scaremongering up, Peter. did'nt you read the article.

About borders: I feel well, last time when I returned from Minsk I just one border control, next two borders were open : )) I thought, you are living in Poland - so you should know that !!

Damm he is still talking .. it's okey you better use those day's as much as you can talking popcorn because they are 21 day left on you boddy..11 may.

Kosovar Albanians, Vojvodina Hungarians, Presheva Valley Albanians, Sanxhak Moslems, and some Bulgarian regions that all qualify and deserve liberty and the option to reunite with the mother country.Yes that's right Mr. Kostunica this world has plenty of countries no longer in existence because their failure to function as civilized societies that respect and tolerate diversity and human rights.Why must we continue to insist Serbia exist, for what purpose???

If we today give up Kosovo, tomorrow, acting on this principle and established custom, we will give up Vojvodina, and the day after, some third part of our country."

If you oppress and discriminate these part of the country, if you start another war you risk seriosly losing your own country!

@Klinsman: "The fact that minorities exist in Serbia is evidence of how tolerant and Serbs are."

Existence of minorities in Serbia is only evidence of the huge appetite and great Russian help for Serbia's expansion at the beginning of the 20th century.

As for the tolerance of Serbs, not even Montenegrins, their blood brothers, wanted to stay with them.

i am very supprised that PM Koshtunica did not make any coment regarding PM Thaqi being invited officially from UNSC , and he will be there tomorrow and get the floor as Kosova PM. Ops, Presidnet Tadiq will be there as well. I wonder if they going to shake hand somewhere in corridors of UN HQ.

First, Peter Sudyka,

Your claim isn't technically true. Hungary didn't lose its lands because it was an Axis power during WWII. It lost them already at Trianon in 1920 because it had sided with the belligerent Germany. The fact that it fought on the German side again in WWII just worsened its already very dim chances of getting a piece of the cake when Eastern Europe was redistributed after 1945.

And to be honest, the countries who did get part of the territory hadn't been of the noblest kind either. Romania had sided with Nazi Germany for most of the war (only unlike Hungary they didn't fail in their attempt to change sides in late 1944). Likewise, Serbia's official government as we all know was collaborationist.

I don't want to get too bogged down in WWII history, but my own impression is that Transylvania's being taken away from Hungary after World War I is akin to Kosovo being taken away from Serbia today. Perhaps Transylvania was an even greater trauma, given that the population there was majority Magyar at that time.

Second, I think the whole idea of scrutinising the past for justifying the way borders are being drawn today is fruitless. There are few countries whose borders would be undisputed if that was done. Perhas none at all in Europe? and especially not in the Balkans. And I don't think Hungary has any claim to Vojvodina today at all. Sure, the Magyars' rights could be better protected and that joke of a constitution that was passed in Serbia a few years ago thanks to the spectre of Kosovo could be annulled or reform to give Vojvodina back more of its self-government. But the most important thing isn't within whose borders you live, but that you have a chance to live a good and wholesome life.

Oh right, and another thing, I don't think Hungary would even want Vojvodina if it were allowed to secede. Because that would mean having to integrate hundreds of thousands of Serbs.

Nicholas Klinsman; you claim that somehow Serbia's minoritie's existence establishs your "proof" of their equal treatment ,happiness and harmony.What if you were to give the victims a chance by actually listening to their pleas for justice, equality and stopping state sponsored discrimination?I know, I know innocent Serbs can never do anyone any harm,all any one needs to do is over look all the minority graves by our friendly and gentle Serbs, who will hopefully get the message through, even to you Mr. Klinsman.You are correct in that in Albania,although the topic is about Serbia,the 10% minorities of which their are no mass graves anywhere to be found.Albania ethnic and religious historical tolerance is much to be admired and followed.Why do you think that Isreal and the Jews love us so much??We are the land of hospitality.Unfortunatly, the same can't be said about Serbia.

Italy are you calling me a professional? Why, thankyou, I do try my best for the all Albanians in general and more specificly the beautifull people of Kosova. God bless us all.

Vojvodina? You think Vojvodina might be taken away from Serbia if you recognise Kosovo, Mr Kostunica? You really think that's likely?

You don't have to scare people with Vojvodina, you've got enough cards on hand to win in May anyway.

@Azir: The fact that minorities exist in Serbia is evidence of how tolerant and Serbs are. Just compare their lives to minorities that live amongst Albanians and you clearly see a big difference.

In the end, there will be no Serbia, ...

Kostunica is scaremongering, but why not ... this is much better than talking about real troubles of Serbia, about budget deficits and failed economic targets under PM Kostunica.

"Kostunica : Serbia has no alternative."
There will be no Kosovo precedent.
There will be no Vojvodina precedent.
There will be no Sandjak or Presevo Valley precedent and Serbia has no alternative but to WHOLLY be in Europe.
America has every right to break up itself, but NO right to break up a sovereign country in Europe.

Peter Sudyka;as victims we , of all people ,would be the last to promote war , anarchy etc....You must have us confused with the Serbs.Yugoslavia's disintegration as a result of Serb aggression invalidated all her claims to all non-Serb areas.Hungarian history and her current direction is on two completely different paths.Originaly Vojvodina belonged to you know who..... You bring up Greeks living in Albania.Well, those 60,000 Albanian citizens of Greek origin are well represented and enjoy equal rights in Albania whereas the Ethnic Albanians existence in Southern Cameria are not even acknowledged by Athens let alone included as equals.Serb in Northern Mitrovica and South Kosova are settlers on extended stays as part of Serbian expansionist conspiracy.They need to either assimilate.Serbia forfeited her rights when she participated in mass murdering of civilians of all non Serbs since 1990's.You ask me "who are you to ask such a question?" Well first of all I'm a concerned former Yugoslavian citizen.Which gives me more of a right on this subject, than you as a Polack.You also ask, without having the respect to answer my original question, why Albania should exist. This has nothing to do with the country of Albania.Although Albania existance and Ethnic Albania will eventually reappear, because Albanians are a historical fact that all Slavic ethnic cleansing can never erase. We are here to stay indefinatly.We are indestructable and our human rights are inalienable.

"italy"; no one hates the Serbs just because they are Serbs but everyone isn't in agreement with your self-destructive behavior.Only when the Serbs accept responsibilty and accountabilty will peace stand a chance to win.Actually, if Serbs had other duties other than creating war criminals and keeping the Hague in business and very much busy,the entire world would have benefited. As humans, we owe it to humanity and it's our duty to expose evil and enable victims to achieve justice.It's about truth ,justice,human rights, freedom and righting a wrong. Not about hatred towards anyone.

Nicholas Klinsman; in your comment to Aldi you bring up that Albanian territories are homogenous.Since we suffer historical injustice from the Slavs, very rarely will there ever be any inter-marriages.And they know well the reasons why.Slavs' decision to live near other slavs is what they have chosen to do and no one can make that determination for them,not even some Irishman.Montenegro's declaration of independence is further proof that even their co-ethnic and co-religionist partners can stand them- Serbs.Don't expect any love or sympathy from any non-slavs.Actually, the Serbs logic is greatly flawed and the lack of global support is a direct indication of your proceeding in the wrong direction with your racist Radical party's agenda.

Damm he is still talking .. it's okey you better use those day's as much as you can talking popcorn because they are 21 day left on you boddy..11 may.

"i am very supprised that PM Koshtunica did not make any coment regarding PM Thaqi being invited officially from UNSC , and he will be there tomorrow and get the floor as Kosova PM. Ops, Presidnet Tadiq will be there as well. I wonder if they going to shake hand somewhere in corridors of UN HQ.
(Ahmet isufi, 19 April 2008 13:00)"

Ahmet isufi,

Don't rejoice yet. Thaci is not going to UN as head of a sovereign country, tomorrow or in the future. The late Yasser Arafat are among those who have given speeches at the UN even though they do not head a recognized country.

Also Russia has made clear that Kosovo cannot join the UN, a position that is also supported by China. You are fated to remain a US ward indefinitely.

"# Kosovar Albanians, Vojvodina Hungarians, Presheva Valley Albanians, Sanxhak Moslems, and some Bulgarian regions that all qualify and deserve liberty and the option to reunite with the mother country."

Good lord!

Do you enjoy the concepts of war, anarchy and illegality that you say something that can cause so much trouble without the slightest comprehension of its consequences on peace/stability in the world?

Borders were drawn after WW2 in Europe, they must stay that way and with good reason. Hungarians were an Axis country fighting on the side of Nazis, they must live with the consequences in whatever countries they are in, Sandzak Muslims? Why should they have the right to unite with their "mother country"? Bulgarians? What about Greeks living in the South of Albania, Serbs in the north of Kosovo or Serbs in the South of Kosovo, should they not be given the same right then? Or do only non-Serbs the right to break away from Serbia?

"Why must we continue to insist Serbia exist, for what purpose???"

Serbia has every right to exist in Europe, like any other European nation. Who are you to ask such a question? Why should Albania exist? That should answer your question.

I guess, many people's on this site profession is hating Serbia. I suggest you to change the object of hatred. It was payable in the 90s, today you should ask your bosses to give you other duties. Best regards.

BTW Why is everyone here so preoccupied with Vojvodina breaking away from Serbia when it is 65% Serbian demographically? It just shows that people want to see Serbia destroyed, and it's sad.
(Peter Sudyka, 20 April 2008 12:00)

Mr. Kostunica brought this kind of scaremongering up, Peter. did'nt you read the article.

About borders: I feel well, last time when I returned from Minsk I just one border control, next two borders were open : )) I thought, you are living in Poland - so you should know that !!

Peter wrote "Albanians should be no exception to this rule, you are not special, you are like any other ethnic group, and there are many living within the borders of other countries. Get used to it!"

Your right Peter I will never understand why the albanians just like Azir belive they deserve to take all parts of balkan where they live and unite it in one big albania.

As for Albanians cleansed by slavs, how are they exacly cleansed by slavs or serbs when there was serbs who fought turkish invasion of kosovo and kosovo is more then 95% albanian today!

azir,
shame on you! You just gave away your sides ultimate goal (as if we didnt know), the complete destruction of Serbia.

EU + NATO + current vichy government = NO MORE SERBIA!!!

azir

"Although Albania existance and Ethnic Albania will eventually reappear, because Albanians are a historical fact that all Slavic ethnic cleansing can never erase. We are here to stay indefinatly.We are indestructable and our human rights are inalienable."

But that's precisely what I mean, you can't draw borders according to ethnic lines, it is the worst possible thing for diplomacy and stability in the world, except for a full scale invasion. As a Pole, sure, I should be demanding all the lands we lost at the end of WW2 to Belarus and Ukraine, where there are still a total of about half a million Poles living, but I don't, because I know that what's done is done and drawing ethnic borders in no way promotes tolerance for minorities and peaceful coexistence for ethnic groups. Albanians should be no exception to this rule, you are not special, you are like any other ethnic group, and there are many living within the borders of other countries. Get used to it!

BTW If you want to blame someone for ethnic cleansing, you might want to use the term Serbian, rather than Slavic. We Poles are also Slavic, we did nothing wrong to Albanians, let alone ethnically cleansed you. Same goes for just about every other Slavic group out there.

rolerkoster

I did read the article, but I have noticed many Kosovo Albanians mentioning how Serbia must watch out, or they will lose Vojvodina as well, and it seems to be a big trend, I just ask, well, why would Vojvodina break away if it is mostly Serbian.

BTW I know how the borders in Schengen works, but what does that have to do with what I said earlier to Martin?

"Why must we continue to insist Serbia exist, for what purpose???
(azir, 19 April 2008 15:55)"

In response to such blatant hatred for Serbs, and blind arrogance that you spew on this site day in and day out (with impunity and in tolerance on a Serb site, mind you), a far BETTER question that should be posed is:

Why must WE continue to insist that YOU exist on this site, and for what purpose?

Montenegro left Jugoslavia because it relied on the vote of its ethnic Albanian minority. As with Kosovo Montenegro's independence had the support of the play ground bully (aka US). Some would argue that the bully supported & instigated Montenegro's independence as a precursor to Kosovo's independence in the mistaken belief that once Jugoslavia did not exist Kosovo could legally secede. The bully had failed to appreciate that Kosovo was an integral part of Serbia. There were other factors that helped, general economic malaise, greed and ambitious politicians. Surely all you serious Balkan observers must know this!

Back to Kostunica's comments recognition of Kosovo is a receipe for disaster not just for Serbia but for every soveriegn state bcause recognition of Kosovo directly rubbishes the idea of soveriegnty. Soveriegnty is being challenged by the playground rules of the bully.

If you can't see the parallel between the phony independence of Kosovo and the failed us policy in Iraq, you are politically blind. I would enjoy seeing a picture of Tadic commiting political suicide by shaking hands with the snake. The fact is that america hates countries that defy it and prove to the world that it is not the superpower it thinks it is.

the ineffective attempts to be cynical here, show the desperate position in which the K-albanians find themselves!

unrecognized by over 150 states...,

completely dependent on foreign military presence..

and not to forget the money being sent from other parts in the world where Albanians are active in drugs and prostitution, like NY, Jersey, the London area or Hamburg, Germany...

yes, my dear albanian friends...

you will certainly be left alone with your despair, since there won´t change much in the future because american satellites like the Marshall Islands are not countless...

so, just go on, try to be cynical, ...you´re only displaying your poor position!

@albi: I notice you had nothing to say about the fact that Albanian settlements are very homogenous and how they got that way.

Also, I don't see how Montenegro's secession has anything to do with whether or not Serbs are tolerant to minorities, but then again this wouldn't be the first time your logic was flawed.

To my Serbian Brothers and Sisters, Kosovo and Bosnia are just the beginning in the continuing demonization and systematic destrution of Serbia by the West. Don't be fooled by the promises of these Western burocrates of false hopes and prosperity. Kostunica is correct in his statements and evaluations of Kosovo and Serbia. The letter attached is absolutely clear of the West's intention now and for the future when it comes to Serbia...and others!

http://www.juliagorin.com/wordpress/?p=1497

What Pera (#11)mentions about Montenegro's separation should be completed by stating that the majority of the Montenegrins didn't vote for the secession at all. The referendum was rigged by two facts.
First, out of 620,ooo of population, about twenty percent of them are not even Montenegrins. Croats(Boka), Albanians(Rozaj and Ulcinj) and Muslims(Plevlja)constitute a solid block of the anti-Serb electorate, very active politically and sufficent to tilt easily the balance in favour of the independence.
Second,Montenegrins living in Serbia were prectically banned from participating in the 'referendum'.This is a case unheard of in the annals of democracies.(Spaniards living in Argentina,Venezuela,just one exemple, regularly participate in Spanish elections).
Everybody knows that the Montenegrin 'diaspora'is almost as numerous as the population of Montenegro.
Under what pressure and threats did the Yugoslav Govenment accept such a warped rule, remains a mystery ( a death wish?).It was the height of the historic irresponsability of our spinless politicians, who couldn't make a stand for fair democratic rules.
So, we ended up with an 'Independent Montenegro' over which looms a curse of Macedonian instability.
As they say, when the Lord wants to punish, He just takes the mind away.

“ …. As with Kosovo Montenegro's independence had the support of the play ground bully (aka US). …. as a precursor to Kosovo's independence in the mistaken belief that once Jugoslavia did not exist Kosovo could legally secede….”

Pero, they didn’t make mistake, they know exactly what they are doing. Aside to making us weaker in general terms, Monte Negrian independency means very important strategic loss for us - we lost sea – ports! That was the main US goal in support for Milo.

I agree with Kostunica.

Martin

What I meant was the the borders of Europe were confirmed at the end of the war for the purposes of stability, it would not be prudent or safe to redraw them on ethnic lines. Naturally, those minorities must be respected, and I hope that the governments of Slovakia, Romania and Serbia realize this with regards to their Hungarian minorities.

On the other hand, you bring up a good point that there should be no borders in Europe, I truly wish it were like this, just one big border for Europe for non-Europeans, but unfortunately 'tis not so.

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BTW Why is everyone here so preoccupied with Vojvodina breaking away from Serbia when it is 65% Serbian demographically? It just shows that people want to see Serbia destroyed, and it's sad.

Peter,

totally with you!

Mr Rotten, I have a fresh idea for you and all Albanian haters out there.We exist on this B92 site because supposedly it's objective and tries to be fair to all,even though they are Serbians.Which is in it self rather interesting, indeed. My purpose is to expose and somehow awaken the Serbs from their ingrained habitual mis information about Albanians and themselves.Consider my comments your conscience you neglect but you should really listen too.