“The EU wants Serbia to avoid self-isolation and choose the European path at the elections, and also wishes to help Kosovo stand on its own,” says Olli Rehn.
It is impossible to argue with you Brian, because you don not have the basic information about Kosovo. What you say absolutely makes no sense.Who ever lived in Kosovo during that time knows it very well.
Metohija is not a 'fantasy land'. It is a Greek word meaning religious territory, because there are 1800 Serbian Orthodox churches there. "Kosova" has no meaning in the Albanian language. It is a word ripped off of the Serbian word Kosovo, which refers to the blackbird called Kos. Kosovo Polje = Plain of the Blackbird. "Kosova" is th fantasy land. Kosovo and Metohija is reality.
And it's absolute rubbish what Liri is saying. Albanian language schools were publicly funded throughout the 90s. The KLA intimidated their population into boycotting these schools. Liri turns around and claims that a boycott = not funding. Ridiculous. Albanians elected their own police during the 1990s. Of course many of these Albanians were murdered by the KLA. Serbs were a minority in the Kosovo autonomous government. How can you claim Serbs dominated all official institutions of Kosovo? It's just lies. The Albanians took over the largest university in Kosovo in the 1998, in an agreement negotiated between Milosevic and Rugova. This is a fact. The KLA used the University at Prishtina as a base to spew anti-Serb hate and they tried to assassinate the Dean in 1997.
Yes Milan,
Kosovo was a part of former Yugoslavia and the schools were funded by taxpayers of the same country, where two million Albanians from Kosovo participated as well. Once Milosevic came into power and wanted to make a big Serbia (by fooling others with the name of Yugoslavia), Albanians continued their education in private homes with their own money. Serbia has never given a cent for Albanian education after 1989; For ten years the local Serbs (les than 10% of population in Kosovo) took charge over University, hospitals, police and all official institutions. You have a lot to tell your children in Serbia about that Milosevic did in Kosovo, so they understand better why “a Serbian land” (as your politicians wish to call it) is independent country now.
What do you mean by “Yugoslav/Serbian budget”? To that budget contributed Slovenia, Croatia, Macedonia, Montenegro, BeH as well.
It sounds like this Rehn is threatening Serbia to join the EU or else. Isolation? What isolation? Does Europe revolve around the EU? Who cares if a country is a member or not? What difference does it make?
I don't doubt that these phony ministers have some education. Could you point out for the reader's sake where these fine statesmen received their education? More importantly who funded their schooling. Last time I remember (correct me if I'm wrong) I'm sure it was Belgrade that financed it. Was it Albanian money that built Pristina University or was it from the Yugoslave/Serbian Federal Budget? Ungrateful!
Look, these albanians know they don't have full independence. They have a need to still fight us on this forum, because of their current illegal independence decarlation and insecurities. You albanians are bothered and discouraged, its obvious. You know fully well that Kosovo is not amputiated from Serbia.
What makes you independent if Serbia didn't sign off on it? The U.S plus 35 countries, heck let it be 50?? A shame that the U.S brided all those countries just to illegally recognize you. Do you get satisfaction that they really didn't want to. That's like having someone force others to be your best friends, while trully disliking you. You will have to rid all churches, graves, monuments, Kosovo name and people for it not to be Serbian. Try it and you'll see what 8.5 million Serbs that encircle you do! Point made.
I was at this conference today and listened to the Commissioner's remarks about the future of Serbia and the EU.
The conference was attended by over 700 civil society representatives from all over the Western Balkans and Turkey, including a 60+ delegation from Serbia.
There was not one rumble of discontent during this speech and the questions that followed were rather more critical of Kostunica than of the EU. My interpretation of this is that that the EU's policy towards an independent Kosovo and EU accession is much more widely accepted among Serbian society than among opportunistic Serbian politicians (and the expat-Serbian bloggers who write on this site) would like to admit.
Let's hope that this is reflected in the May elections.
Haha, "primitive nationalism". Albanian extremists want to cleanse Kosovo of all non-Albanians, but the people fighting to protect their heritage and history from being annihilated are "primitive nationalists". Next thing we'll here is that Nazis were oppressed and their Jewish, Serb, and Roma victims were "primitive nationalists".
Absurd.
Name one of the 100,000 Albanians who lived in Belgrade during the 1990s that was expelled by the government. Name one Hungarian. Name one Croat. Name one Bosniak. In all of Serbia during the wars, not one national minority was expelled from Serbia. Instead they took in 70,000 Muslim refugees. Where in any other former Yugoslav state can national minorities have schools and newspapers in their own languages. Name one former Yugoslav country where the local populations elected their own police.
And you call that "primitive nationalism"? You have everything exactly backwards.
RE: Mr. David
“Dr. Koštunica Ph.D is indeed a highly respected and highly educated natural leader. The members of the temporary parliament in Kosovo cannot even spell Ph.D.” (Mr. David)
Mr. David you seem to be too impressed about Kostunica education. But you are wrong about Kosovo leaders and MP-se education. There are dosens of them with PHD calls. Let me just mention some of them that I remember of: Nexhat Daci, Sabri Hamiti (both chairmanships of Parliament). The Kosovo Government: Alush Gashi, (Minister of Health)Arsim Bajrami(Minister of Public Services), Hajredin Kuqi(Deputy Prime minister) , Ahmet Shala (Minister of Economy and Finances, Enver Hoxhaj (Minister of Education), Justina Pula (Minister of Energy and Mining), Idriz Vehapi (Minister of Agriculture), Lutfi Zharku (Minister of Trade and Industry). All of them are with PHD title, so eight PHD only in Thaci government. A deceased former president of Kosovo Ibrahim Rugova was a PHD and current president of Kosovo Fatmir Sejdiu is a PHD. You seem to be just a little bit judgmental.
P.S. I sent this comment earlier today and it was not published! I don't know why. It is just for people like David that seem to be misinformed about education of Kosovo politicians. Thanks.
Liri
"Choose the European path", what the heck does that exactly mean? Allow me to paraphrase. It means the EU (basically Germany, France & the low countries) want Serbia/Serbian inhabited lands but they don't want the Serbian people unless they become "Westernized". This would take several generations so it is unlikely Serbia will be allowed to join the EU anytime soon. Unless of course the Serbian population was to be held down or subjugated. Serbs are far to unruly to be the citizens of an Empire which requires mindless obedience, what is commonly referred to as "sheepeople". Most Serbs think for themselves, they fight fiercely for their freedom and will not allow themselves to become mindless drones. This is what being "European" is all about in the 21st century.
Without freedom nothing matters, be Serbian first and all else will be added!
'self-isolation'? He is threatening Serbia with self-isolation? Is Suisse or Norway countries that are isolated, just because they are not part of EU. Is EU in future going to be self sufficient and only to trade within its borders? I don't think so. The way how EU is approaching Serbia is more than discriminatory. It does have fascistic pattern thet threatens physical existence to non inline parties. Serbia should not choose this path instead independence and REAL free open market are future.
expressed his hope that “Serbia will choose Europe.” -
Is Serbia somewhere in Africa or South America?
This guy is ridiculous - of course with friends like Soros, what more can you expect of such ...?
cAlso a favour for my sake can the ethnic K-Albanians on this site please display their real names. Ben's and Johny's we can see right through it. Its child's play.
(Milan Melbourne, 16 April 2008 13:38)
B92 Please don’t edit or censure this comment because there is nothing wrong to know your neighbor. From some Serbs living abroad (I read their mind) definitely they need more information about Albanians. You got to know your neighbor to judge them right.
My friend Milan, I see that pattern of disbelieve on Albanian names and here is what I found for both side. You are free to check the truth of those yourself.
http://www.gaminggeeks.org/Resources/KateMonk/Europe-Eastern/Former-Yugoslavia/Serbia/First-names.htm
Dushan, Ivico, Veljko, Jovica, Momsilo, Rade, Srdjan, Tomislav, Borisav, Vojislav, Stanislav, Vladislav, Branislav, Boguljub, Dragisa, Koviljko, Milojica, Ratko, Slavko, Mijalko, just to name few are not friendly names for Albanian and English language, however those are your name and that doesn’t make any difference on what those people with those name say.
In contrary, names like Adam, Adem, Adriatik, Afrim, Agim, Agron, Albert, Albion, Aldi, Alban, Agron, Aleksander, Altin, Anton, Antoni, Arben (ben), Arjan, Armend, Artan, Artur, Bardhyl, Bashkim, Bekim, Besim, Besnik, Kastriot, Klaudian, Dardan, Devis, Dritan, Dritero, Dritan Dukagjin, Edi, Edon, Emilian, Endri, Engjëll, Fisnik, Florent, Florian, Florim, Gazment, Gazmir, Genci, Gezim, Gjergj/xhorxh (george), Gjin, Gjon (john), Ilia, Ilinian, Ilir, Kostandin, Kreshnik, Kristaq, Ledio, Leka, Leke, Luan, Mark,Martin, Marush, Maks, Maksim, Marko, Marsel, Migen, Migjen, Neritan, Nikoll, Oltion, Orion, Pali, Përparim, Petrit, Pjerin, Pjeter, Pjetri, Pleurat, Robert, Roland, Rudi, Sazan, Sokol, Saimir, Thanas, Thoma, Themi, Tiku, Toni, Tritan, Vasil, Veton, Viktor, Vidian, Vilson, Visar, Vlash, Xhon (john), Ylli, Zef just to name few Albanian name might not be friendly on Serbian language pronunciation but those are our name typical Illyrian-Albanian name, most of them have meaning only on Illyrian-Albanian language.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Illyrians
Or if anyone have any doubt about Illyrian name please check Illyrian kings and prince names and those names have the meaning only in Albanian language each tells you more for Illyrian-Albanian nation.
http://www.gaminggeeks.org/Resources/KateMonk/Europe-Eastern/Albania/Male.htm
However those Albanian names too had nothing to do with content of comments on this site.
Mr. David J. Jones
By the time "Serbia will find itself on the world stage" ready, it will have to sue more than 37 countries.
On the other hand it will be very difficult for Serbia to also have "the illegal UDI quashed in an International Court of Law" There is nothing illegal about Kosovo's UDI. Serbs should understand that Kosovo has been under their occupation until now.
Is Metohija some fantasy place I don't now about?
To the true understanding of the matter in this conversation should not be involved the individuals whose brain is poisened by false patriotizem and cloudy view on the reality. By insulting each other we are not going to establish anything but to deepen are hatred for each other. Of course I expect from my albanians to express there thoughts and to be on the side of there own, so do I expect from serbs to protect are own interest, but talking to each other in that prehistoric matter its only going to make everything worst. For now we are komsije, and its going to be like that for a long time,lats try to live in the orderly way, and maybe the next generations are going to understand that everybody regardles of ther color or beleifs deserve to live in this world, and be fully respected, then and only then this world its going to be a better place.
@Mike: Why should anyone invest in Serbia if he wants to sell those goods in India or Russia. Doesn`t make any sense. It`s much cheaper to produce directly in those countries.
Keep pushing it for all it's worth Vojo. This is a simple question for the EU, that requires a simple answer. If they do not want to answer, then we can see what their true intentions are. Kostunica is a lawyer, and will not be fooled by these Eurocrat minions.
As for all this garbage talk about 'self isolation', what self isolation? The majority of the world is with the Serbs on this issue. It is just the Americans, Germans, and some of their puppets who are not, and many lapdog governments went against the wishes of their population in recognizing this fake, illegal and immoral NATO state (such as Poland). Any talk of self-isolation by the outsiders or by the fifth column inside of Serbia is unfounded fear mongering. Serbia can not be isolated, it is on the trade route of east and west, which is why the EU wants them in their club so badly.
I find Rehn's allegorical statements that "rejecting a European future", whatever that means, somehow constitutes self-imposed isolation, especially when Europe, as a continent, comprises roughly 2% of the world's landmass.
Furthermore, I also am having a hard time buying the notion that Serbia's future lies only within the larger confines of the EU. Don't get me wrong, I support Serbia's EU integration, but the talking heads in Brussels present Serbia's future in starker pictures than any politician in Belgrade. I somehow doubt Serbia will "reject" Europe in that diplomatic relations will not be severed, and the Belarus model some are talking about will not manifest. Still, there's other places in the world Serbia can do business with besides Europe: Russia, India, Latin America, Asia, the Middle East. Rehn's comments are overly simplified and far too elitist.
But the most problematic part of the above-mentioned comments are that the sentiment of "democratize our way, or else" still rings loud and clear in the chambers of Brussels and Washington. These statements simply serve to reinforce the populist mentality that is already strongly nurtured by 10 years of condescending attitudes from the West. Serbia should join the EU as an applicant, not a supplicant.
To make story short – Mr. Kostunica or (next) Serbian President should put conditional offer for signing SAA – Serbia will accept to sign it if (when) one condition is met:
“UDI – and its smart creators SHOULD SURRENDER to International Court of Law.” – and get fair trail.
Whoever helps in avoiding arrest should be charged as accomplice in the crime.
Fair – Clear and Logical – who is afraid to go to Court if it’s innocent.
Get Kosovo back first - the EU will still be there afterwards.
Join the EU first and Kosovo will be lost forever.
Law is on Serbia's side, and the international community will not be able to stop its press siding with Serbia if it does things properly.
Unlike before, Serbia now has (and should keep) right on its side - it should also stand up to the so called 'mighty and powerful'. The west's misplaced unilateralism needs to be rejected - they have behaved wrongly in this case.
Tom with respect but Kostunica is not putting the EU on the spot. As you know full well they don't give a monkeys what he says on this issue.
As you state yourself the EU will never state what he wants them to say.
Kostunica is simply playing to the domestic audience and trying to gain votes.
Its not clever, it won't work and further its both tedious and meaningless.
In the past I gave Kostunica the benefit of the doubt, including voting for the constitution which was in real trouble after his project was in real trouble.
But I've had enough of his fantasy politics. I want reality, based on achievable aims with a common position. I do not want manipulation of the Kosovo issue.
Dr. Koštunica Ph.D is indeed a highly respected and highly educated natural leader. The members of the temporary parliament in Kosovo cannot even spell Ph.D.
Nehat, I am sorry to burst your bubble but you are not independent yet. You have just made a declaration, which doesn't mean that it is legal. However, what do we expect from a race that appears to embrace illegal activity.
Over the coming months whether in the EU or not Serbia will find itself on the world stage when it rightfully sues 37 countries and has the illegal UDI quashed in an International Court of Law.
Please do not ask any members of your government to explain 'Quashed' as they will not know.
In Brussels they are preparing a special office to answer to all questiones of Serbia candidates..particulary for Mr.Kostunica will be open an" hot line " 24/24h
Buona campagna elettorale !
Kostunica is absolutely right to put the EU on the spot. There is too much messing going on within the EU with different people saying different things. Because the EU is divided on Kosovo, they cannot say what Kostunica wants them to say, and I'm sure he knows that, but it's what they will say that is the point of his demand.
those hateful comments of nehat and "sebastian" ( typical albanian name ) are frightening!
they are showing what kind of character we are dealing with here!
boys, first of all: this man is a constitutional jurist, an expert. I won´t ask you what your jobs are, but a little bit more respect should be shown, since he is not an ex-bouncer like your haradinai or a known-criminal like your taci!
and primitive nationalism???
well, we only have to look into the streetlife of down-town Priština, where a over 70 year old serbian woman was mercilessly beaten up by high-culture Albanians some time ago..
and what´s even more sad: only one Albanian condemned this brutal beating of an old granny...right amongst you.
so, better think twice before you rise your voice about primitive nationalism!
and...it should be clear now, who the real fools are, my dear friends.
It is quite obvious what the EUs response will be if it ever exposed its position and that goes to show that the Kosmet problem can only be resolved through international bodies, support and pressure and not within the EU.
The world is on Serbia's side but the powers within the EU are not.
Kostunica is just doing what Milosevic did between 86 - 99: use Kosovo as an issue to stay in power. Let's hope most Serbs are not fooled by his primitive nationalism.
I am beginning to feel sorry for this guy. He is trying so hard to fool every one, but as you can see he as made a fool of himself. The reality is that Kosova is Independent and the sooner the government of serbia realises that the better for the people of the Balkans.
It is quite obvious what the EUs response will be if it ever exposed its position and that goes to show that the Kosmet problem can only be resolved through international bodies, support and pressure and not within the EU.
The world is on Serbia's side but the powers within the EU are not.
those hateful comments of nehat and "sebastian" ( typical albanian name ) are frightening!
they are showing what kind of character we are dealing with here!
boys, first of all: this man is a constitutional jurist, an expert. I won´t ask you what your jobs are, but a little bit more respect should be shown, since he is not an ex-bouncer like your haradinai or a known-criminal like your taci!
and primitive nationalism???
well, we only have to look into the streetlife of down-town Priština, where a over 70 year old serbian woman was mercilessly beaten up by high-culture Albanians some time ago..
and what´s even more sad: only one Albanian condemned this brutal beating of an old granny...right amongst you.
so, better think twice before you rise your voice about primitive nationalism!
and...it should be clear now, who the real fools are, my dear friends.
Kostunica is absolutely right to put the EU on the spot. There is too much messing going on within the EU with different people saying different things. Because the EU is divided on Kosovo, they cannot say what Kostunica wants them to say, and I'm sure he knows that, but it's what they will say that is the point of his demand.
Dr. Koštunica Ph.D is indeed a highly respected and highly educated natural leader. The members of the temporary parliament in Kosovo cannot even spell Ph.D.
Nehat, I am sorry to burst your bubble but you are not independent yet. You have just made a declaration, which doesn't mean that it is legal. However, what do we expect from a race that appears to embrace illegal activity.
Over the coming months whether in the EU or not Serbia will find itself on the world stage when it rightfully sues 37 countries and has the illegal UDI quashed in an International Court of Law.
Please do not ask any members of your government to explain 'Quashed' as they will not know.
Get Kosovo back first - the EU will still be there afterwards.
Join the EU first and Kosovo will be lost forever.
Law is on Serbia's side, and the international community will not be able to stop its press siding with Serbia if it does things properly.
Unlike before, Serbia now has (and should keep) right on its side - it should also stand up to the so called 'mighty and powerful'. The west's misplaced unilateralism needs to be rejected - they have behaved wrongly in this case.
Keep pushing it for all it's worth Vojo. This is a simple question for the EU, that requires a simple answer. If they do not want to answer, then we can see what their true intentions are. Kostunica is a lawyer, and will not be fooled by these Eurocrat minions.
As for all this garbage talk about 'self isolation', what self isolation? The majority of the world is with the Serbs on this issue. It is just the Americans, Germans, and some of their puppets who are not, and many lapdog governments went against the wishes of their population in recognizing this fake, illegal and immoral NATO state (such as Poland). Any talk of self-isolation by the outsiders or by the fifth column inside of Serbia is unfounded fear mongering. Serbia can not be isolated, it is on the trade route of east and west, which is why the EU wants them in their club so badly.
"Choose the European path", what the heck does that exactly mean? Allow me to paraphrase. It means the EU (basically Germany, France & the low countries) want Serbia/Serbian inhabited lands but they don't want the Serbian people unless they become "Westernized". This would take several generations so it is unlikely Serbia will be allowed to join the EU anytime soon. Unless of course the Serbian population was to be held down or subjugated. Serbs are far to unruly to be the citizens of an Empire which requires mindless obedience, what is commonly referred to as "sheepeople". Most Serbs think for themselves, they fight fiercely for their freedom and will not allow themselves to become mindless drones. This is what being "European" is all about in the 21st century.
Without freedom nothing matters, be Serbian first and all else will be added!
I find Rehn's allegorical statements that "rejecting a European future", whatever that means, somehow constitutes self-imposed isolation, especially when Europe, as a continent, comprises roughly 2% of the world's landmass.
Furthermore, I also am having a hard time buying the notion that Serbia's future lies only within the larger confines of the EU. Don't get me wrong, I support Serbia's EU integration, but the talking heads in Brussels present Serbia's future in starker pictures than any politician in Belgrade. I somehow doubt Serbia will "reject" Europe in that diplomatic relations will not be severed, and the Belarus model some are talking about will not manifest. Still, there's other places in the world Serbia can do business with besides Europe: Russia, India, Latin America, Asia, the Middle East. Rehn's comments are overly simplified and far too elitist.
But the most problematic part of the above-mentioned comments are that the sentiment of "democratize our way, or else" still rings loud and clear in the chambers of Brussels and Washington. These statements simply serve to reinforce the populist mentality that is already strongly nurtured by 10 years of condescending attitudes from the West. Serbia should join the EU as an applicant, not a supplicant.
expressed his hope that “Serbia will choose Europe.” -
Is Serbia somewhere in Africa or South America?
This guy is ridiculous - of course with friends like Soros, what more can you expect of such ...?
Haha, "primitive nationalism". Albanian extremists want to cleanse Kosovo of all non-Albanians, but the people fighting to protect their heritage and history from being annihilated are "primitive nationalists". Next thing we'll here is that Nazis were oppressed and their Jewish, Serb, and Roma victims were "primitive nationalists".
Absurd.
Name one of the 100,000 Albanians who lived in Belgrade during the 1990s that was expelled by the government. Name one Hungarian. Name one Croat. Name one Bosniak. In all of Serbia during the wars, not one national minority was expelled from Serbia. Instead they took in 70,000 Muslim refugees. Where in any other former Yugoslav state can national minorities have schools and newspapers in their own languages. Name one former Yugoslav country where the local populations elected their own police.
And you call that "primitive nationalism"? You have everything exactly backwards.
Kostunica is just doing what Milosevic did between 86 - 99: use Kosovo as an issue to stay in power. Let's hope most Serbs are not fooled by his primitive nationalism.
'self-isolation'? He is threatening Serbia with self-isolation? Is Suisse or Norway countries that are isolated, just because they are not part of EU. Is EU in future going to be self sufficient and only to trade within its borders? I don't think so. The way how EU is approaching Serbia is more than discriminatory. It does have fascistic pattern thet threatens physical existence to non inline parties. Serbia should not choose this path instead independence and REAL free open market are future.
Look, these albanians know they don't have full independence. They have a need to still fight us on this forum, because of their current illegal independence decarlation and insecurities. You albanians are bothered and discouraged, its obvious. You know fully well that Kosovo is not amputiated from Serbia.
What makes you independent if Serbia didn't sign off on it? The U.S plus 35 countries, heck let it be 50?? A shame that the U.S brided all those countries just to illegally recognize you. Do you get satisfaction that they really didn't want to. That's like having someone force others to be your best friends, while trully disliking you. You will have to rid all churches, graves, monuments, Kosovo name and people for it not to be Serbian. Try it and you'll see what 8.5 million Serbs that encircle you do! Point made.
Tom with respect but Kostunica is not putting the EU on the spot. As you know full well they don't give a monkeys what he says on this issue.
As you state yourself the EU will never state what he wants them to say.
Kostunica is simply playing to the domestic audience and trying to gain votes.
Its not clever, it won't work and further its both tedious and meaningless.
In the past I gave Kostunica the benefit of the doubt, including voting for the constitution which was in real trouble after his project was in real trouble.
But I've had enough of his fantasy politics. I want reality, based on achievable aims with a common position. I do not want manipulation of the Kosovo issue.
I am beginning to feel sorry for this guy. He is trying so hard to fool every one, but as you can see he as made a fool of himself. The reality is that Kosova is Independent and the sooner the government of serbia realises that the better for the people of the Balkans.
To make story short – Mr. Kostunica or (next) Serbian President should put conditional offer for signing SAA – Serbia will accept to sign it if (when) one condition is met:
“UDI – and its smart creators SHOULD SURRENDER to International Court of Law.” – and get fair trail.
Whoever helps in avoiding arrest should be charged as accomplice in the crime.
Fair – Clear and Logical – who is afraid to go to Court if it’s innocent.
In Brussels they are preparing a special office to answer to all questiones of Serbia candidates..particulary for Mr.Kostunica will be open an" hot line " 24/24h
Buona campagna elettorale !
It sounds like this Rehn is threatening Serbia to join the EU or else. Isolation? What isolation? Does Europe revolve around the EU? Who cares if a country is a member or not? What difference does it make?
To the true understanding of the matter in this conversation should not be involved the individuals whose brain is poisened by false patriotizem and cloudy view on the reality. By insulting each other we are not going to establish anything but to deepen are hatred for each other. Of course I expect from my albanians to express there thoughts and to be on the side of there own, so do I expect from serbs to protect are own interest, but talking to each other in that prehistoric matter its only going to make everything worst. For now we are komsije, and its going to be like that for a long time,lats try to live in the orderly way, and maybe the next generations are going to understand that everybody regardles of ther color or beleifs deserve to live in this world, and be fully respected, then and only then this world its going to be a better place.
Mr. David J. Jones
By the time "Serbia will find itself on the world stage" ready, it will have to sue more than 37 countries.
On the other hand it will be very difficult for Serbia to also have "the illegal UDI quashed in an International Court of Law" There is nothing illegal about Kosovo's UDI. Serbs should understand that Kosovo has been under their occupation until now.
Is Metohija some fantasy place I don't now about?
I don't doubt that these phony ministers have some education. Could you point out for the reader's sake where these fine statesmen received their education? More importantly who funded their schooling. Last time I remember (correct me if I'm wrong) I'm sure it was Belgrade that financed it. Was it Albanian money that built Pristina University or was it from the Yugoslave/Serbian Federal Budget? Ungrateful!
cAlso a favour for my sake can the ethnic K-Albanians on this site please display their real names. Ben's and Johny's we can see right through it. Its child's play.
(Milan Melbourne, 16 April 2008 13:38)
B92 Please don’t edit or censure this comment because there is nothing wrong to know your neighbor. From some Serbs living abroad (I read their mind) definitely they need more information about Albanians. You got to know your neighbor to judge them right.
My friend Milan, I see that pattern of disbelieve on Albanian names and here is what I found for both side. You are free to check the truth of those yourself.
http://www.gaminggeeks.org/Resources/KateMonk/Europe-Eastern/Former-Yugoslavia/Serbia/First-names.htm
Dushan, Ivico, Veljko, Jovica, Momsilo, Rade, Srdjan, Tomislav, Borisav, Vojislav, Stanislav, Vladislav, Branislav, Boguljub, Dragisa, Koviljko, Milojica, Ratko, Slavko, Mijalko, just to name few are not friendly names for Albanian and English language, however those are your name and that doesn’t make any difference on what those people with those name say.
In contrary, names like Adam, Adem, Adriatik, Afrim, Agim, Agron, Albert, Albion, Aldi, Alban, Agron, Aleksander, Altin, Anton, Antoni, Arben (ben), Arjan, Armend, Artan, Artur, Bardhyl, Bashkim, Bekim, Besim, Besnik, Kastriot, Klaudian, Dardan, Devis, Dritan, Dritero, Dritan Dukagjin, Edi, Edon, Emilian, Endri, Engjëll, Fisnik, Florent, Florian, Florim, Gazment, Gazmir, Genci, Gezim, Gjergj/xhorxh (george), Gjin, Gjon (john), Ilia, Ilinian, Ilir, Kostandin, Kreshnik, Kristaq, Ledio, Leka, Leke, Luan, Mark,Martin, Marush, Maks, Maksim, Marko, Marsel, Migen, Migjen, Neritan, Nikoll, Oltion, Orion, Pali, Përparim, Petrit, Pjerin, Pjeter, Pjetri, Pleurat, Robert, Roland, Rudi, Sazan, Sokol, Saimir, Thanas, Thoma, Themi, Tiku, Toni, Tritan, Vasil, Veton, Viktor, Vidian, Vilson, Visar, Vlash, Xhon (john), Ylli, Zef just to name few Albanian name might not be friendly on Serbian language pronunciation but those are our name typical Illyrian-Albanian name, most of them have meaning only on Illyrian-Albanian language.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Illyrians
Or if anyone have any doubt about Illyrian name please check Illyrian kings and prince names and those names have the meaning only in Albanian language each tells you more for Illyrian-Albanian nation.
http://www.gaminggeeks.org/Resources/KateMonk/Europe-Eastern/Albania/Male.htm
However those Albanian names too had nothing to do with content of comments on this site.
I was at this conference today and listened to the Commissioner's remarks about the future of Serbia and the EU.
The conference was attended by over 700 civil society representatives from all over the Western Balkans and Turkey, including a 60+ delegation from Serbia.
There was not one rumble of discontent during this speech and the questions that followed were rather more critical of Kostunica than of the EU. My interpretation of this is that that the EU's policy towards an independent Kosovo and EU accession is much more widely accepted among Serbian society than among opportunistic Serbian politicians (and the expat-Serbian bloggers who write on this site) would like to admit.
Let's hope that this is reflected in the May elections.
Metohija is not a 'fantasy land'. It is a Greek word meaning religious territory, because there are 1800 Serbian Orthodox churches there. "Kosova" has no meaning in the Albanian language. It is a word ripped off of the Serbian word Kosovo, which refers to the blackbird called Kos. Kosovo Polje = Plain of the Blackbird. "Kosova" is th fantasy land. Kosovo and Metohija is reality.
And it's absolute rubbish what Liri is saying. Albanian language schools were publicly funded throughout the 90s. The KLA intimidated their population into boycotting these schools. Liri turns around and claims that a boycott = not funding. Ridiculous. Albanians elected their own police during the 1990s. Of course many of these Albanians were murdered by the KLA. Serbs were a minority in the Kosovo autonomous government. How can you claim Serbs dominated all official institutions of Kosovo? It's just lies. The Albanians took over the largest university in Kosovo in the 1998, in an agreement negotiated between Milosevic and Rugova. This is a fact. The KLA used the University at Prishtina as a base to spew anti-Serb hate and they tried to assassinate the Dean in 1997.
@Mike: Why should anyone invest in Serbia if he wants to sell those goods in India or Russia. Doesn`t make any sense. It`s much cheaper to produce directly in those countries.
RE: Mr. David
“Dr. Koštunica Ph.D is indeed a highly respected and highly educated natural leader. The members of the temporary parliament in Kosovo cannot even spell Ph.D.” (Mr. David)
Mr. David you seem to be too impressed about Kostunica education. But you are wrong about Kosovo leaders and MP-se education. There are dosens of them with PHD calls. Let me just mention some of them that I remember of: Nexhat Daci, Sabri Hamiti (both chairmanships of Parliament). The Kosovo Government: Alush Gashi, (Minister of Health)Arsim Bajrami(Minister of Public Services), Hajredin Kuqi(Deputy Prime minister) , Ahmet Shala (Minister of Economy and Finances, Enver Hoxhaj (Minister of Education), Justina Pula (Minister of Energy and Mining), Idriz Vehapi (Minister of Agriculture), Lutfi Zharku (Minister of Trade and Industry). All of them are with PHD title, so eight PHD only in Thaci government. A deceased former president of Kosovo Ibrahim Rugova was a PHD and current president of Kosovo Fatmir Sejdiu is a PHD. You seem to be just a little bit judgmental.
P.S. I sent this comment earlier today and it was not published! I don't know why. It is just for people like David that seem to be misinformed about education of Kosovo politicians. Thanks.
Liri
Yes Milan,
Kosovo was a part of former Yugoslavia and the schools were funded by taxpayers of the same country, where two million Albanians from Kosovo participated as well. Once Milosevic came into power and wanted to make a big Serbia (by fooling others with the name of Yugoslavia), Albanians continued their education in private homes with their own money. Serbia has never given a cent for Albanian education after 1989; For ten years the local Serbs (les than 10% of population in Kosovo) took charge over University, hospitals, police and all official institutions. You have a lot to tell your children in Serbia about that Milosevic did in Kosovo, so they understand better why “a Serbian land” (as your politicians wish to call it) is independent country now.
What do you mean by “Yugoslav/Serbian budget”? To that budget contributed Slovenia, Croatia, Macedonia, Montenegro, BeH as well.
It is impossible to argue with you Brian, because you don not have the basic information about Kosovo. What you say absolutely makes no sense.Who ever lived in Kosovo during that time knows it very well.
I am beginning to feel sorry for this guy. He is trying so hard to fool every one, but as you can see he as made a fool of himself. The reality is that Kosova is Independent and the sooner the government of serbia realises that the better for the people of the Balkans.
Kostunica is just doing what Milosevic did between 86 - 99: use Kosovo as an issue to stay in power. Let's hope most Serbs are not fooled by his primitive nationalism.
Tom with respect but Kostunica is not putting the EU on the spot. As you know full well they don't give a monkeys what he says on this issue.
As you state yourself the EU will never state what he wants them to say.
Kostunica is simply playing to the domestic audience and trying to gain votes.
Its not clever, it won't work and further its both tedious and meaningless.
In the past I gave Kostunica the benefit of the doubt, including voting for the constitution which was in real trouble after his project was in real trouble.
But I've had enough of his fantasy politics. I want reality, based on achievable aims with a common position. I do not want manipulation of the Kosovo issue.
In Brussels they are preparing a special office to answer to all questiones of Serbia candidates..particulary for Mr.Kostunica will be open an" hot line " 24/24h
Buona campagna elettorale !
Mr. David J. Jones
By the time "Serbia will find itself on the world stage" ready, it will have to sue more than 37 countries.
On the other hand it will be very difficult for Serbia to also have "the illegal UDI quashed in an International Court of Law" There is nothing illegal about Kosovo's UDI. Serbs should understand that Kosovo has been under their occupation until now.
Is Metohija some fantasy place I don't now about?
cAlso a favour for my sake can the ethnic K-Albanians on this site please display their real names. Ben's and Johny's we can see right through it. Its child's play.
(Milan Melbourne, 16 April 2008 13:38)
B92 Please don’t edit or censure this comment because there is nothing wrong to know your neighbor. From some Serbs living abroad (I read their mind) definitely they need more information about Albanians. You got to know your neighbor to judge them right.
My friend Milan, I see that pattern of disbelieve on Albanian names and here is what I found for both side. You are free to check the truth of those yourself.
http://www.gaminggeeks.org/Resources/KateMonk/Europe-Eastern/Former-Yugoslavia/Serbia/First-names.htm
Dushan, Ivico, Veljko, Jovica, Momsilo, Rade, Srdjan, Tomislav, Borisav, Vojislav, Stanislav, Vladislav, Branislav, Boguljub, Dragisa, Koviljko, Milojica, Ratko, Slavko, Mijalko, just to name few are not friendly names for Albanian and English language, however those are your name and that doesn’t make any difference on what those people with those name say.
In contrary, names like Adam, Adem, Adriatik, Afrim, Agim, Agron, Albert, Albion, Aldi, Alban, Agron, Aleksander, Altin, Anton, Antoni, Arben (ben), Arjan, Armend, Artan, Artur, Bardhyl, Bashkim, Bekim, Besim, Besnik, Kastriot, Klaudian, Dardan, Devis, Dritan, Dritero, Dritan Dukagjin, Edi, Edon, Emilian, Endri, Engjëll, Fisnik, Florent, Florian, Florim, Gazment, Gazmir, Genci, Gezim, Gjergj/xhorxh (george), Gjin, Gjon (john), Ilia, Ilinian, Ilir, Kostandin, Kreshnik, Kristaq, Ledio, Leka, Leke, Luan, Mark,Martin, Marush, Maks, Maksim, Marko, Marsel, Migen, Migjen, Neritan, Nikoll, Oltion, Orion, Pali, Përparim, Petrit, Pjerin, Pjeter, Pjetri, Pleurat, Robert, Roland, Rudi, Sazan, Sokol, Saimir, Thanas, Thoma, Themi, Tiku, Toni, Tritan, Vasil, Veton, Viktor, Vidian, Vilson, Visar, Vlash, Xhon (john), Ylli, Zef just to name few Albanian name might not be friendly on Serbian language pronunciation but those are our name typical Illyrian-Albanian name, most of them have meaning only on Illyrian-Albanian language.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Illyrians
Or if anyone have any doubt about Illyrian name please check Illyrian kings and prince names and those names have the meaning only in Albanian language each tells you more for Illyrian-Albanian nation.
http://www.gaminggeeks.org/Resources/KateMonk/Europe-Eastern/Albania/Male.htm
However those Albanian names too had nothing to do with content of comments on this site.
RE: Mr. David
“Dr. Koštunica Ph.D is indeed a highly respected and highly educated natural leader. The members of the temporary parliament in Kosovo cannot even spell Ph.D.” (Mr. David)
Mr. David you seem to be too impressed about Kostunica education. But you are wrong about Kosovo leaders and MP-se education. There are dosens of them with PHD calls. Let me just mention some of them that I remember of: Nexhat Daci, Sabri Hamiti (both chairmanships of Parliament). The Kosovo Government: Alush Gashi, (Minister of Health)Arsim Bajrami(Minister of Public Services), Hajredin Kuqi(Deputy Prime minister) , Ahmet Shala (Minister of Economy and Finances, Enver Hoxhaj (Minister of Education), Justina Pula (Minister of Energy and Mining), Idriz Vehapi (Minister of Agriculture), Lutfi Zharku (Minister of Trade and Industry). All of them are with PHD title, so eight PHD only in Thaci government. A deceased former president of Kosovo Ibrahim Rugova was a PHD and current president of Kosovo Fatmir Sejdiu is a PHD. You seem to be just a little bit judgmental.
P.S. I sent this comment earlier today and it was not published! I don't know why. It is just for people like David that seem to be misinformed about education of Kosovo politicians. Thanks.
Liri
I was at this conference today and listened to the Commissioner's remarks about the future of Serbia and the EU.
The conference was attended by over 700 civil society representatives from all over the Western Balkans and Turkey, including a 60+ delegation from Serbia.
There was not one rumble of discontent during this speech and the questions that followed were rather more critical of Kostunica than of the EU. My interpretation of this is that that the EU's policy towards an independent Kosovo and EU accession is much more widely accepted among Serbian society than among opportunistic Serbian politicians (and the expat-Serbian bloggers who write on this site) would like to admit.
Let's hope that this is reflected in the May elections.
To the true understanding of the matter in this conversation should not be involved the individuals whose brain is poisened by false patriotizem and cloudy view on the reality. By insulting each other we are not going to establish anything but to deepen are hatred for each other. Of course I expect from my albanians to express there thoughts and to be on the side of there own, so do I expect from serbs to protect are own interest, but talking to each other in that prehistoric matter its only going to make everything worst. For now we are komsije, and its going to be like that for a long time,lats try to live in the orderly way, and maybe the next generations are going to understand that everybody regardles of ther color or beleifs deserve to live in this world, and be fully respected, then and only then this world its going to be a better place.
those hateful comments of nehat and "sebastian" ( typical albanian name ) are frightening!
they are showing what kind of character we are dealing with here!
boys, first of all: this man is a constitutional jurist, an expert. I won´t ask you what your jobs are, but a little bit more respect should be shown, since he is not an ex-bouncer like your haradinai or a known-criminal like your taci!
and primitive nationalism???
well, we only have to look into the streetlife of down-town Priština, where a over 70 year old serbian woman was mercilessly beaten up by high-culture Albanians some time ago..
and what´s even more sad: only one Albanian condemned this brutal beating of an old granny...right amongst you.
so, better think twice before you rise your voice about primitive nationalism!
and...it should be clear now, who the real fools are, my dear friends.
Dr. Koštunica Ph.D is indeed a highly respected and highly educated natural leader. The members of the temporary parliament in Kosovo cannot even spell Ph.D.
Nehat, I am sorry to burst your bubble but you are not independent yet. You have just made a declaration, which doesn't mean that it is legal. However, what do we expect from a race that appears to embrace illegal activity.
Over the coming months whether in the EU or not Serbia will find itself on the world stage when it rightfully sues 37 countries and has the illegal UDI quashed in an International Court of Law.
Please do not ask any members of your government to explain 'Quashed' as they will not know.
Yes Milan,
Kosovo was a part of former Yugoslavia and the schools were funded by taxpayers of the same country, where two million Albanians from Kosovo participated as well. Once Milosevic came into power and wanted to make a big Serbia (by fooling others with the name of Yugoslavia), Albanians continued their education in private homes with their own money. Serbia has never given a cent for Albanian education after 1989; For ten years the local Serbs (les than 10% of population in Kosovo) took charge over University, hospitals, police and all official institutions. You have a lot to tell your children in Serbia about that Milosevic did in Kosovo, so they understand better why “a Serbian land” (as your politicians wish to call it) is independent country now.
What do you mean by “Yugoslav/Serbian budget”? To that budget contributed Slovenia, Croatia, Macedonia, Montenegro, BeH as well.
It is quite obvious what the EUs response will be if it ever exposed its position and that goes to show that the Kosmet problem can only be resolved through international bodies, support and pressure and not within the EU.
The world is on Serbia's side but the powers within the EU are not.
Kostunica is absolutely right to put the EU on the spot. There is too much messing going on within the EU with different people saying different things. Because the EU is divided on Kosovo, they cannot say what Kostunica wants them to say, and I'm sure he knows that, but it's what they will say that is the point of his demand.
Keep pushing it for all it's worth Vojo. This is a simple question for the EU, that requires a simple answer. If they do not want to answer, then we can see what their true intentions are. Kostunica is a lawyer, and will not be fooled by these Eurocrat minions.
As for all this garbage talk about 'self isolation', what self isolation? The majority of the world is with the Serbs on this issue. It is just the Americans, Germans, and some of their puppets who are not, and many lapdog governments went against the wishes of their population in recognizing this fake, illegal and immoral NATO state (such as Poland). Any talk of self-isolation by the outsiders or by the fifth column inside of Serbia is unfounded fear mongering. Serbia can not be isolated, it is on the trade route of east and west, which is why the EU wants them in their club so badly.
Get Kosovo back first - the EU will still be there afterwards.
Join the EU first and Kosovo will be lost forever.
Law is on Serbia's side, and the international community will not be able to stop its press siding with Serbia if it does things properly.
Unlike before, Serbia now has (and should keep) right on its side - it should also stand up to the so called 'mighty and powerful'. The west's misplaced unilateralism needs to be rejected - they have behaved wrongly in this case.
I find Rehn's allegorical statements that "rejecting a European future", whatever that means, somehow constitutes self-imposed isolation, especially when Europe, as a continent, comprises roughly 2% of the world's landmass.
Furthermore, I also am having a hard time buying the notion that Serbia's future lies only within the larger confines of the EU. Don't get me wrong, I support Serbia's EU integration, but the talking heads in Brussels present Serbia's future in starker pictures than any politician in Belgrade. I somehow doubt Serbia will "reject" Europe in that diplomatic relations will not be severed, and the Belarus model some are talking about will not manifest. Still, there's other places in the world Serbia can do business with besides Europe: Russia, India, Latin America, Asia, the Middle East. Rehn's comments are overly simplified and far too elitist.
But the most problematic part of the above-mentioned comments are that the sentiment of "democratize our way, or else" still rings loud and clear in the chambers of Brussels and Washington. These statements simply serve to reinforce the populist mentality that is already strongly nurtured by 10 years of condescending attitudes from the West. Serbia should join the EU as an applicant, not a supplicant.
@Mike: Why should anyone invest in Serbia if he wants to sell those goods in India or Russia. Doesn`t make any sense. It`s much cheaper to produce directly in those countries.
Look, these albanians know they don't have full independence. They have a need to still fight us on this forum, because of their current illegal independence decarlation and insecurities. You albanians are bothered and discouraged, its obvious. You know fully well that Kosovo is not amputiated from Serbia.
What makes you independent if Serbia didn't sign off on it? The U.S plus 35 countries, heck let it be 50?? A shame that the U.S brided all those countries just to illegally recognize you. Do you get satisfaction that they really didn't want to. That's like having someone force others to be your best friends, while trully disliking you. You will have to rid all churches, graves, monuments, Kosovo name and people for it not to be Serbian. Try it and you'll see what 8.5 million Serbs that encircle you do! Point made.
It is impossible to argue with you Brian, because you don not have the basic information about Kosovo. What you say absolutely makes no sense.Who ever lived in Kosovo during that time knows it very well.
To make story short – Mr. Kostunica or (next) Serbian President should put conditional offer for signing SAA – Serbia will accept to sign it if (when) one condition is met:
“UDI – and its smart creators SHOULD SURRENDER to International Court of Law.” – and get fair trail.
Whoever helps in avoiding arrest should be charged as accomplice in the crime.
Fair – Clear and Logical – who is afraid to go to Court if it’s innocent.
'self-isolation'? He is threatening Serbia with self-isolation? Is Suisse or Norway countries that are isolated, just because they are not part of EU. Is EU in future going to be self sufficient and only to trade within its borders? I don't think so. The way how EU is approaching Serbia is more than discriminatory. It does have fascistic pattern thet threatens physical existence to non inline parties. Serbia should not choose this path instead independence and REAL free open market are future.
expressed his hope that “Serbia will choose Europe.” -
Is Serbia somewhere in Africa or South America?
This guy is ridiculous - of course with friends like Soros, what more can you expect of such ...?
Haha, "primitive nationalism". Albanian extremists want to cleanse Kosovo of all non-Albanians, but the people fighting to protect their heritage and history from being annihilated are "primitive nationalists". Next thing we'll here is that Nazis were oppressed and their Jewish, Serb, and Roma victims were "primitive nationalists".
Absurd.
Name one of the 100,000 Albanians who lived in Belgrade during the 1990s that was expelled by the government. Name one Hungarian. Name one Croat. Name one Bosniak. In all of Serbia during the wars, not one national minority was expelled from Serbia. Instead they took in 70,000 Muslim refugees. Where in any other former Yugoslav state can national minorities have schools and newspapers in their own languages. Name one former Yugoslav country where the local populations elected their own police.
And you call that "primitive nationalism"? You have everything exactly backwards.
"Choose the European path", what the heck does that exactly mean? Allow me to paraphrase. It means the EU (basically Germany, France & the low countries) want Serbia/Serbian inhabited lands but they don't want the Serbian people unless they become "Westernized". This would take several generations so it is unlikely Serbia will be allowed to join the EU anytime soon. Unless of course the Serbian population was to be held down or subjugated. Serbs are far to unruly to be the citizens of an Empire which requires mindless obedience, what is commonly referred to as "sheepeople". Most Serbs think for themselves, they fight fiercely for their freedom and will not allow themselves to become mindless drones. This is what being "European" is all about in the 21st century.
Without freedom nothing matters, be Serbian first and all else will be added!
I don't doubt that these phony ministers have some education. Could you point out for the reader's sake where these fine statesmen received their education? More importantly who funded their schooling. Last time I remember (correct me if I'm wrong) I'm sure it was Belgrade that financed it. Was it Albanian money that built Pristina University or was it from the Yugoslave/Serbian Federal Budget? Ungrateful!
It sounds like this Rehn is threatening Serbia to join the EU or else. Isolation? What isolation? Does Europe revolve around the EU? Who cares if a country is a member or not? What difference does it make?
Metohija is not a 'fantasy land'. It is a Greek word meaning religious territory, because there are 1800 Serbian Orthodox churches there. "Kosova" has no meaning in the Albanian language. It is a word ripped off of the Serbian word Kosovo, which refers to the blackbird called Kos. Kosovo Polje = Plain of the Blackbird. "Kosova" is th fantasy land. Kosovo and Metohija is reality.
And it's absolute rubbish what Liri is saying. Albanian language schools were publicly funded throughout the 90s. The KLA intimidated their population into boycotting these schools. Liri turns around and claims that a boycott = not funding. Ridiculous. Albanians elected their own police during the 1990s. Of course many of these Albanians were murdered by the KLA. Serbs were a minority in the Kosovo autonomous government. How can you claim Serbs dominated all official institutions of Kosovo? It's just lies. The Albanians took over the largest university in Kosovo in the 1998, in an agreement negotiated between Milosevic and Rugova. This is a fact. The KLA used the University at Prishtina as a base to spew anti-Serb hate and they tried to assassinate the Dean in 1997.
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