EU: SAA to remain unchanged

The problem is that the powers within the EU, NATO and US have all breached 1244 so what's the point of mentioning it?

Unless it is clearly stated that Kosovo is an integral part of Serbia within the SAA then it is open to the fuzzy interpretations coming from some members.

Signing it will give the green light to the EU mission who plan to implement the Ahtisaari plan. As Koštunica has said, DS are essentially recognising Kosovo if they sign up.

As far as I can tell, the EU mission is currently stalled due to the lack of a legal basis so they seem quite desperate to get something signed.

In case B92 allows me to re-post here a part of my comment (originally to news article "SRS calls on Tadić to publish SAA contents") it goes like this:

What is clear to me is that signing the SAA today means something else than had it happened before the UDI of Kosovo and before the recognition of Kosovo independence by the majority of EU member states.

The fact alone that Serbia considers Kosovo being a part of itself while EU majority has an absolutely opposite stand alters the reading of the SAA.
And therefore the new situation alters the content of pre-Kosovo-recognition-SAA, although the text remains the same.

Shall we have an easy example:

"ARTICLE 6
Serbia commits itself to continue to foster cooperation and good neighbourly relations with the
other countries of the region including an appropriate level of mutual concessions concerning the
movement of persons, goods, capital... [and so on]."

EU majority reads Kosovo being among "the other countries of the region" while Serbia doesn't.

Therefore an immediate conflict. It makes no sense to sign agreements that inflame discord the first hour after signatures.

In other words they offer you to exchange your territory with your people and your churches on it for some promices ... The Serbs do know how the West keeps it's words ... So do the Russians. Both of us know the price for such promices but if signed the SAA will be the first official document where Serbia will fix the partitition of K&M ...

I can see no need to hurry. A lot of states has long lasting contradictions over their borders with the neighbours . By the way very few peple know that Najibullah the late President of Afghanistan has been killed only because he rejected the Taliban's demand to demark the border with Pakistan along the Durand Line. Like all the previous Afghan leaders he refused to. Otherwise the bigger part Pashtuns would forever remain in Pakistan.

So I don't know what is the urgency and the sence for such a capitulation ! If only Tadic means to make the process unreturnable before the American crisis reaches EU or before he misses the state power ...

That´s all we wanted to hear from the "€urocrats" lads!

The €U and it´s supreme commander USA, remains hostile to Serbia and will continue to do so, that´s their problem and soon they will implode by their own hybris anyway.

They had their chanse, let´s now with this message definitly turn them our backs and continue eastwards and out in the whole world beyond...

Once again, not even greatest of satirists would dare to create as unbelievable fictional situation as exists in reality. According to EU's answer to Koštunica's demand (of adding a sentence to the SAA) EU still considers Kosovo being a province of Serbia even if majority of member states have recognized Kosovo as an independent state!

Monty Python’s Flying Circus didn't fly this high!

It is funny how the Serbian politicians are arguing with one another whether the SAA should be signed. It is possible that the EU may not even offer Serbia the chance to sign the SAA on 28 april.

Well, now Mr. Kostunica has his answer. Since the EU doesnt have a common stance over the issue, it was the only answer he could get. I wonder what comes next.

I personally think that Kostunca is over-exaggerating an already exaggerated Kosovo issue. There are 2 milion unloyal people to Serbia on Kosovo: it is shocking to me, even in a bad dream, to immagine 2 million unloyal peeple inside Serbia tomorrow. Before Serbia military lost the war in Kosovo, it was already lost demografically. The demographic process that started in Serbia will explode in the whole West Europe in the time to come: in next 50-70 years the whole of the so-called EU will be predominantly Muslim and as the statistics say black. We do not really know if they will cherish "european values" just because the white christian or laic minority had established them, I personally think they will create societes according to their measure. Serbia should immediately close Kosovo issue. It is a loss of time: Serbs are really minority there. Serbia can do one thing, if it does not want European integration: it can force even military action in the north and anex it in next 24 hours. But if it plans to live in Europe, that faces the same problems as Serbia today but tries to postpone them for the future by establishing the rules (I do not think these will work) then Serbia must accept European way and face the future as I said above: the whole EU in next 70 years will be Muslim and black. And Russia will not be in better position either. Russia alrady suffers demographically and will face serious problems even before he overall european islamisation.

@fas: that is not true. The EU does not care that much about Serbia. Having an another opinion about Kosovo than the Serbian PM is not the same as hating Serbia.

If the Serbians don't want to join the EU, then they will not join. There is no one in the EU who at the end of the day cares if the unimportant country of Serbia turns west or east, but for the Serbians it is about their own future. In the meanwhile the EU will and cannot allow Serbia to take Kosovo back, if Serbia wants to join the EU or not.

I personally think that Kostunca is over-exaggerating an already exaggerated Kosovo issue. There are 2 milion unloyal people to Serbia on Kosovo: it is shocking to me, even in a bad dream, to immagine 2 million unloyal peeple inside Serbia tomorrow. Before Serbia military lost the war in Kosovo, it was already lost demografically. The demographic process that started in Serbia will explode in the whole West Europe in the time to come: in next 50-70 years the whole of the so-called EU will be predominantly Muslim and as the statistics say black. We do not really know if they will cherish "european values" just because the white christian or laic minority had established them, I personally think they will create societes according to their measure. Serbia should immediately close Kosovo issue. It is a loss of time: Serbs are really minority there. Serbia can do one thing, if it does not want European integration: it can force even military action in the north and anex it in next 24 hours. But if it plans to live in Europe, that faces the same problems as Serbia today but tries to postpone them for the future by establishing the rules (I do not think these will work) then Serbia must accept European way and face the future as I said above: the whole EU in next 70 years will be Muslim and black. And Russia will not be in better position either. Russia alrady suffers demographically and will face serious problems even before he overall european islamisation.

@fas: that is not true. The EU does not care that much about Serbia. Having an another opinion about Kosovo than the Serbian PM is not the same as hating Serbia.

If the Serbians don't want to join the EU, then they will not join. There is no one in the EU who at the end of the day cares if the unimportant country of Serbia turns west or east, but for the Serbians it is about their own future. In the meanwhile the EU will and cannot allow Serbia to take Kosovo back, if Serbia wants to join the EU or not.

It is funny how the Serbian politicians are arguing with one another whether the SAA should be signed. It is possible that the EU may not even offer Serbia the chance to sign the SAA on 28 april.

The problem is that the powers within the EU, NATO and US have all breached 1244 so what's the point of mentioning it?

Unless it is clearly stated that Kosovo is an integral part of Serbia within the SAA then it is open to the fuzzy interpretations coming from some members.

Signing it will give the green light to the EU mission who plan to implement the Ahtisaari plan. As Koštunica has said, DS are essentially recognising Kosovo if they sign up.

As far as I can tell, the EU mission is currently stalled due to the lack of a legal basis so they seem quite desperate to get something signed.

In other words they offer you to exchange your territory with your people and your churches on it for some promices ... The Serbs do know how the West keeps it's words ... So do the Russians. Both of us know the price for such promices but if signed the SAA will be the first official document where Serbia will fix the partitition of K&M ...

I can see no need to hurry. A lot of states has long lasting contradictions over their borders with the neighbours . By the way very few peple know that Najibullah the late President of Afghanistan has been killed only because he rejected the Taliban's demand to demark the border with Pakistan along the Durand Line. Like all the previous Afghan leaders he refused to. Otherwise the bigger part Pashtuns would forever remain in Pakistan.

So I don't know what is the urgency and the sence for such a capitulation ! If only Tadic means to make the process unreturnable before the American crisis reaches EU or before he misses the state power ...

Once again, not even greatest of satirists would dare to create as unbelievable fictional situation as exists in reality. According to EU's answer to Koštunica's demand (of adding a sentence to the SAA) EU still considers Kosovo being a province of Serbia even if majority of member states have recognized Kosovo as an independent state!

Monty Python’s Flying Circus didn't fly this high!

In case B92 allows me to re-post here a part of my comment (originally to news article "SRS calls on Tadić to publish SAA contents") it goes like this:

What is clear to me is that signing the SAA today means something else than had it happened before the UDI of Kosovo and before the recognition of Kosovo independence by the majority of EU member states.

The fact alone that Serbia considers Kosovo being a part of itself while EU majority has an absolutely opposite stand alters the reading of the SAA.
And therefore the new situation alters the content of pre-Kosovo-recognition-SAA, although the text remains the same.

Shall we have an easy example:

"ARTICLE 6
Serbia commits itself to continue to foster cooperation and good neighbourly relations with the
other countries of the region including an appropriate level of mutual concessions concerning the
movement of persons, goods, capital... [and so on]."

EU majority reads Kosovo being among "the other countries of the region" while Serbia doesn't.

Therefore an immediate conflict. It makes no sense to sign agreements that inflame discord the first hour after signatures.

Well, now Mr. Kostunica has his answer. Since the EU doesnt have a common stance over the issue, it was the only answer he could get. I wonder what comes next.

That´s all we wanted to hear from the "€urocrats" lads!

The €U and it´s supreme commander USA, remains hostile to Serbia and will continue to do so, that´s their problem and soon they will implode by their own hybris anyway.

They had their chanse, let´s now with this message definitly turn them our backs and continue eastwards and out in the whole world beyond...