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Tuesday, 15.04.2008.

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Đelić: Not too late for compromise

It is not too late to find a compromise solution for Kosovo via negotiations under UN auspices, says Deputy Prime Minister Božidar Đelić.

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John Bosnitch

pre 16 godina

Djelic said his PEN was in his bag, not his pencil. That is just a translation error.

I posted a comment about the Washington meeting on a different story earlier, but I realize now that I should have posted it here and I have updated it with the latest information:

I confronted Deputy Prime MInister Bozidar Djelic of Tadic's Democratic Party (DS) on this issue at the meeting here in Washington. First, I rejected his upside-down allegation that his opponents are behaving like schizophrenics on the Kosovo issue. I reminded him that the first thing a real schizophrenic does is to accuse those around him of having schizophrenia.

Djelic tried to say he has the authority to sign the SAA based on a Cabinet decision taken last fall, but he neglected to note that since that Cabinet meeting, Kosovo has declared independence, received the support of most EU states, and is awaiting the arrival of an illegal EU mission -- all of which are factors that totally change the circumstances under which the Cabinet had previously been acting.

I also asked Djelic why it is that the SAA must suddenly be signed in such haste on April 28, just two weeks before Serbia's elections, when in fact as a caretaker administration his ministry should wait to sign it AFTER the Serbian voters have said whether they want it or not. He tried weakly to deny that the SAA signing attempt has anything to do with the election, but when I stated that (the mad bomber) Solana himself has admitted trying to influence the Serbian vote, Djelic just tried to change the subject.

He said there was no alternative to patiently trying to convince the United States to reverse its support for Kosovo independence during this Administration or "a future one", but in the meantime, he said Serbia should just go ahead and sign the SAA anyway. Serbia's main leverage is on the EU, not the US. By denying the EU control of the center of the Balkans, Serbia has some real power to pressure EU states into changing their stand on Kosovo. Signing the SAA in return for nothing is like throwing away Serbia's ace in the hand.

Djelic cited article 135 of the SAA text as referring to Serbia together with Kosovo under UNSC Res. 1244. But he neglected to note that even the UN itself is publicly saying that 1244 is "still in effect" despite UNMIK's two-faced approach of expanding Albanian dominance over a de facto independent Kosovo. Maybe Djelic forgot that US chief negotiator Frank Wisner rejected 1244's reference to Serbian "sovereignty" because that word appears only in the preamble of 1244 and does not appear in what Wisner and all other US officials call the 'operative' clauses of 1244. Wisner (the son of a top CIA agent who coordinated the smuggling of nazis into the U.S.) is an expert in using what Americans refer to as "weasel words" to run circles around the law. Like father, like son. No matter who is elected on May 11 remember: The only way they can take Kosovo from us is if we sign it over to them ourselves. Don't sign anything with anyone ever again unless it specifically refers to Kosovo as an integral part of Serbia in the "operative" clauses of the text, NOT THE PREAMBLE.

If the Tadic-Jeremic-Djelic fantasy about being able to sign the SAA and still keep Kosovo were being put forward by politicians in any other country facing a similar situation, the public would either laugh them out of office or have them committed to a mental asylum. But in Belgrade, where US-paid NGOs preaching "cultural decontamination" have manipulated the media to pump Serbs full of lies for nearly a decade, some people still don't see the absurdity of signing a deal with the EU just as it prepares to illegally occupy Serbian Kosovo.

Both Jeremic and Djelic are indeed slippery talkers in English, but they spectacularly fail the fundamental test of logic. If they can't see the danger of signing anything with the EU, it means that they are either faking their blindness, or are too negligent to be allowed anywhere near the controls of the Serbian state.

I bet that they are merely making one last effort to prove that with enough foreign money and other influential support you still can fool a majority of the Serbian voters all of the time. I know that they are wrong and I have full faith that the brave Serbian voters are going to show them how absolutely totally wrong they are on May 11 .

Djelic ended his responses to me with a comment about how he looks forward to a day when Serbia is so deeply integrated into the EU that a Serb will be chairing EU meetings, just "like Slovenia is chairing the EU today".

I was stunned to hear Djelic make the gaffe of praising Slovenia so soon after the whole world heard from a Slovenian official about how Slovenia's "leadership" of the EU was nothing of the kind and was instead just a remote controlling act by the USA. Slovenia's vaunted EU "presidency" has already been proven to be nothing more than Big Brother America throwing its voice and pulling the strings of its pathetic puppet Slovenia. Serbia would have to become a similar puppet state to ever be allowed anywhere near a top EU position.

It's time to sweep aside the entire Western-trained and indoctrinated DS regime (Tadic/Jeremic/Djelic/ et al). And it's time for Serbia to elect a government made up of Serbs who will work for Serbia first, only and forever.

Kosovo is Serbia! Serbia is Kosovo!

John Bosnitch
Washington, DC

alba

pre 16 godina

logic,

As for the comment that you "picked up" first that's his personal opinion and second he is not Kosovar..

If i'm gonna pick up and select very "interesting" comments throughout the site(or as you call it "posters") than your nick would be the least appropriate to use...

Peace

Logic

pre 16 godina

To all posters AND ESPECIALLY P R N:

In reference to PRN's comment, I suggest reading comments on the headline "Macedona's early vote called for June 1st" of 04/13.

Albanian poster DONI, among many other statements wrote:
"...albanian language and history, flag etc. are the naional history of that country."
Further: "...whatever the final outcome of negotiation about the name issue, don't worry because is not permanent, when albanians will be majority the name will change again. Hope this will be a third albanian state in balkans and USAlbania wil be a reality"
So, Greater Albania spreading throughout Europe AND USA? Talking about the power of hope over the brain!!!

Luigi

pre 16 godina

@bganon
The support of Us and their lobbying has been important no questiones about it but..
The big 4 recognized Kosovo not UNDER AN ORDER , they made it for an own plan and they do it beside the fact that were going agAinst a Un resolution.. maybe these reasons are not fully understand by a Serb audience but there are ..

PRN

pre 16 godina

Dear all,

Mr. Delic, let me advice you ...HOPE is GOOD for you...only a dead man has no hope to live...

I think Mr.Delic is right about being hopeful...hoping is free and also legal in Serbia

I think you may also hope that one day all Europe may become one big state-Great Serbia

Remember life is full of surprises...:)


Good luck!

Peace to all

bganon

pre 16 godina

Luigi that is just not true.
Put it this way do you really think that Kosovo would be recognised today without US support?

Everybody here (and in Kosovo) knows this was a US project.

On the topic Djelic's efforts to drum up support for re-opening negotiations are probably in vain but necessary nonetheless.

luigi

pre 16 godina

I read always about "big pressure" from US vs. Eu countries for Kosovo...
Well for some little countries maybe this continous mantra that many Serbian politician (particulary from Tadic party )repeat it is true..But...
Do you really think that Germany-France-England and Italy have been forced by the "lame duck" Bush to recognize Kosovo ??!!
In this forum i read many fake recostructions about Eu decision-making ..well this one is another one !!!!
It's simple Kosovo/a is a Eu big power decision as it is a Us decision..like it or no..

Princip, UK

pre 16 godina

that “the pencil is in his bag”

- is this a translation error did delic really state he would sign in pencil?

I guess he would want to rub it out as soon as he got on the plane heading back if he really did mean pencil! Beyond that shows how many agreements he must have be confident in signing if he uses pencils to sign with!!!

John Bosnitch

pre 16 godina

Djelic said his PEN was in his bag, not his pencil. That is just a translation error.

I posted a comment about the Washington meeting on a different story earlier, but I realize now that I should have posted it here and I have updated it with the latest information:

I confronted Deputy Prime MInister Bozidar Djelic of Tadic's Democratic Party (DS) on this issue at the meeting here in Washington. First, I rejected his upside-down allegation that his opponents are behaving like schizophrenics on the Kosovo issue. I reminded him that the first thing a real schizophrenic does is to accuse those around him of having schizophrenia.

Djelic tried to say he has the authority to sign the SAA based on a Cabinet decision taken last fall, but he neglected to note that since that Cabinet meeting, Kosovo has declared independence, received the support of most EU states, and is awaiting the arrival of an illegal EU mission -- all of which are factors that totally change the circumstances under which the Cabinet had previously been acting.

I also asked Djelic why it is that the SAA must suddenly be signed in such haste on April 28, just two weeks before Serbia's elections, when in fact as a caretaker administration his ministry should wait to sign it AFTER the Serbian voters have said whether they want it or not. He tried weakly to deny that the SAA signing attempt has anything to do with the election, but when I stated that (the mad bomber) Solana himself has admitted trying to influence the Serbian vote, Djelic just tried to change the subject.

He said there was no alternative to patiently trying to convince the United States to reverse its support for Kosovo independence during this Administration or "a future one", but in the meantime, he said Serbia should just go ahead and sign the SAA anyway. Serbia's main leverage is on the EU, not the US. By denying the EU control of the center of the Balkans, Serbia has some real power to pressure EU states into changing their stand on Kosovo. Signing the SAA in return for nothing is like throwing away Serbia's ace in the hand.

Djelic cited article 135 of the SAA text as referring to Serbia together with Kosovo under UNSC Res. 1244. But he neglected to note that even the UN itself is publicly saying that 1244 is "still in effect" despite UNMIK's two-faced approach of expanding Albanian dominance over a de facto independent Kosovo. Maybe Djelic forgot that US chief negotiator Frank Wisner rejected 1244's reference to Serbian "sovereignty" because that word appears only in the preamble of 1244 and does not appear in what Wisner and all other US officials call the 'operative' clauses of 1244. Wisner (the son of a top CIA agent who coordinated the smuggling of nazis into the U.S.) is an expert in using what Americans refer to as "weasel words" to run circles around the law. Like father, like son. No matter who is elected on May 11 remember: The only way they can take Kosovo from us is if we sign it over to them ourselves. Don't sign anything with anyone ever again unless it specifically refers to Kosovo as an integral part of Serbia in the "operative" clauses of the text, NOT THE PREAMBLE.

If the Tadic-Jeremic-Djelic fantasy about being able to sign the SAA and still keep Kosovo were being put forward by politicians in any other country facing a similar situation, the public would either laugh them out of office or have them committed to a mental asylum. But in Belgrade, where US-paid NGOs preaching "cultural decontamination" have manipulated the media to pump Serbs full of lies for nearly a decade, some people still don't see the absurdity of signing a deal with the EU just as it prepares to illegally occupy Serbian Kosovo.

Both Jeremic and Djelic are indeed slippery talkers in English, but they spectacularly fail the fundamental test of logic. If they can't see the danger of signing anything with the EU, it means that they are either faking their blindness, or are too negligent to be allowed anywhere near the controls of the Serbian state.

I bet that they are merely making one last effort to prove that with enough foreign money and other influential support you still can fool a majority of the Serbian voters all of the time. I know that they are wrong and I have full faith that the brave Serbian voters are going to show them how absolutely totally wrong they are on May 11 .

Djelic ended his responses to me with a comment about how he looks forward to a day when Serbia is so deeply integrated into the EU that a Serb will be chairing EU meetings, just "like Slovenia is chairing the EU today".

I was stunned to hear Djelic make the gaffe of praising Slovenia so soon after the whole world heard from a Slovenian official about how Slovenia's "leadership" of the EU was nothing of the kind and was instead just a remote controlling act by the USA. Slovenia's vaunted EU "presidency" has already been proven to be nothing more than Big Brother America throwing its voice and pulling the strings of its pathetic puppet Slovenia. Serbia would have to become a similar puppet state to ever be allowed anywhere near a top EU position.

It's time to sweep aside the entire Western-trained and indoctrinated DS regime (Tadic/Jeremic/Djelic/ et al). And it's time for Serbia to elect a government made up of Serbs who will work for Serbia first, only and forever.

Kosovo is Serbia! Serbia is Kosovo!

John Bosnitch
Washington, DC

luigi

pre 16 godina

I read always about "big pressure" from US vs. Eu countries for Kosovo...
Well for some little countries maybe this continous mantra that many Serbian politician (particulary from Tadic party )repeat it is true..But...
Do you really think that Germany-France-England and Italy have been forced by the "lame duck" Bush to recognize Kosovo ??!!
In this forum i read many fake recostructions about Eu decision-making ..well this one is another one !!!!
It's simple Kosovo/a is a Eu big power decision as it is a Us decision..like it or no..

bganon

pre 16 godina

Luigi that is just not true.
Put it this way do you really think that Kosovo would be recognised today without US support?

Everybody here (and in Kosovo) knows this was a US project.

On the topic Djelic's efforts to drum up support for re-opening negotiations are probably in vain but necessary nonetheless.

alba

pre 16 godina

logic,

As for the comment that you "picked up" first that's his personal opinion and second he is not Kosovar..

If i'm gonna pick up and select very "interesting" comments throughout the site(or as you call it "posters") than your nick would be the least appropriate to use...

Peace

PRN

pre 16 godina

Dear all,

Mr. Delic, let me advice you ...HOPE is GOOD for you...only a dead man has no hope to live...

I think Mr.Delic is right about being hopeful...hoping is free and also legal in Serbia

I think you may also hope that one day all Europe may become one big state-Great Serbia

Remember life is full of surprises...:)


Good luck!

Peace to all

Logic

pre 16 godina

To all posters AND ESPECIALLY P R N:

In reference to PRN's comment, I suggest reading comments on the headline "Macedona's early vote called for June 1st" of 04/13.

Albanian poster DONI, among many other statements wrote:
"...albanian language and history, flag etc. are the naional history of that country."
Further: "...whatever the final outcome of negotiation about the name issue, don't worry because is not permanent, when albanians will be majority the name will change again. Hope this will be a third albanian state in balkans and USAlbania wil be a reality"
So, Greater Albania spreading throughout Europe AND USA? Talking about the power of hope over the brain!!!

Princip, UK

pre 16 godina

that “the pencil is in his bag”

- is this a translation error did delic really state he would sign in pencil?

I guess he would want to rub it out as soon as he got on the plane heading back if he really did mean pencil! Beyond that shows how many agreements he must have be confident in signing if he uses pencils to sign with!!!

Luigi

pre 16 godina

@bganon
The support of Us and their lobbying has been important no questiones about it but..
The big 4 recognized Kosovo not UNDER AN ORDER , they made it for an own plan and they do it beside the fact that were going agAinst a Un resolution.. maybe these reasons are not fully understand by a Serb audience but there are ..

PRN

pre 16 godina

Dear all,

Mr. Delic, let me advice you ...HOPE is GOOD for you...only a dead man has no hope to live...

I think Mr.Delic is right about being hopeful...hoping is free and also legal in Serbia

I think you may also hope that one day all Europe may become one big state-Great Serbia

Remember life is full of surprises...:)


Good luck!

Peace to all

bganon

pre 16 godina

Luigi that is just not true.
Put it this way do you really think that Kosovo would be recognised today without US support?

Everybody here (and in Kosovo) knows this was a US project.

On the topic Djelic's efforts to drum up support for re-opening negotiations are probably in vain but necessary nonetheless.

Luigi

pre 16 godina

@bganon
The support of Us and their lobbying has been important no questiones about it but..
The big 4 recognized Kosovo not UNDER AN ORDER , they made it for an own plan and they do it beside the fact that were going agAinst a Un resolution.. maybe these reasons are not fully understand by a Serb audience but there are ..

John Bosnitch

pre 16 godina

Djelic said his PEN was in his bag, not his pencil. That is just a translation error.

I posted a comment about the Washington meeting on a different story earlier, but I realize now that I should have posted it here and I have updated it with the latest information:

I confronted Deputy Prime MInister Bozidar Djelic of Tadic's Democratic Party (DS) on this issue at the meeting here in Washington. First, I rejected his upside-down allegation that his opponents are behaving like schizophrenics on the Kosovo issue. I reminded him that the first thing a real schizophrenic does is to accuse those around him of having schizophrenia.

Djelic tried to say he has the authority to sign the SAA based on a Cabinet decision taken last fall, but he neglected to note that since that Cabinet meeting, Kosovo has declared independence, received the support of most EU states, and is awaiting the arrival of an illegal EU mission -- all of which are factors that totally change the circumstances under which the Cabinet had previously been acting.

I also asked Djelic why it is that the SAA must suddenly be signed in such haste on April 28, just two weeks before Serbia's elections, when in fact as a caretaker administration his ministry should wait to sign it AFTER the Serbian voters have said whether they want it or not. He tried weakly to deny that the SAA signing attempt has anything to do with the election, but when I stated that (the mad bomber) Solana himself has admitted trying to influence the Serbian vote, Djelic just tried to change the subject.

He said there was no alternative to patiently trying to convince the United States to reverse its support for Kosovo independence during this Administration or "a future one", but in the meantime, he said Serbia should just go ahead and sign the SAA anyway. Serbia's main leverage is on the EU, not the US. By denying the EU control of the center of the Balkans, Serbia has some real power to pressure EU states into changing their stand on Kosovo. Signing the SAA in return for nothing is like throwing away Serbia's ace in the hand.

Djelic cited article 135 of the SAA text as referring to Serbia together with Kosovo under UNSC Res. 1244. But he neglected to note that even the UN itself is publicly saying that 1244 is "still in effect" despite UNMIK's two-faced approach of expanding Albanian dominance over a de facto independent Kosovo. Maybe Djelic forgot that US chief negotiator Frank Wisner rejected 1244's reference to Serbian "sovereignty" because that word appears only in the preamble of 1244 and does not appear in what Wisner and all other US officials call the 'operative' clauses of 1244. Wisner (the son of a top CIA agent who coordinated the smuggling of nazis into the U.S.) is an expert in using what Americans refer to as "weasel words" to run circles around the law. Like father, like son. No matter who is elected on May 11 remember: The only way they can take Kosovo from us is if we sign it over to them ourselves. Don't sign anything with anyone ever again unless it specifically refers to Kosovo as an integral part of Serbia in the "operative" clauses of the text, NOT THE PREAMBLE.

If the Tadic-Jeremic-Djelic fantasy about being able to sign the SAA and still keep Kosovo were being put forward by politicians in any other country facing a similar situation, the public would either laugh them out of office or have them committed to a mental asylum. But in Belgrade, where US-paid NGOs preaching "cultural decontamination" have manipulated the media to pump Serbs full of lies for nearly a decade, some people still don't see the absurdity of signing a deal with the EU just as it prepares to illegally occupy Serbian Kosovo.

Both Jeremic and Djelic are indeed slippery talkers in English, but they spectacularly fail the fundamental test of logic. If they can't see the danger of signing anything with the EU, it means that they are either faking their blindness, or are too negligent to be allowed anywhere near the controls of the Serbian state.

I bet that they are merely making one last effort to prove that with enough foreign money and other influential support you still can fool a majority of the Serbian voters all of the time. I know that they are wrong and I have full faith that the brave Serbian voters are going to show them how absolutely totally wrong they are on May 11 .

Djelic ended his responses to me with a comment about how he looks forward to a day when Serbia is so deeply integrated into the EU that a Serb will be chairing EU meetings, just "like Slovenia is chairing the EU today".

I was stunned to hear Djelic make the gaffe of praising Slovenia so soon after the whole world heard from a Slovenian official about how Slovenia's "leadership" of the EU was nothing of the kind and was instead just a remote controlling act by the USA. Slovenia's vaunted EU "presidency" has already been proven to be nothing more than Big Brother America throwing its voice and pulling the strings of its pathetic puppet Slovenia. Serbia would have to become a similar puppet state to ever be allowed anywhere near a top EU position.

It's time to sweep aside the entire Western-trained and indoctrinated DS regime (Tadic/Jeremic/Djelic/ et al). And it's time for Serbia to elect a government made up of Serbs who will work for Serbia first, only and forever.

Kosovo is Serbia! Serbia is Kosovo!

John Bosnitch
Washington, DC

Princip, UK

pre 16 godina

that “the pencil is in his bag”

- is this a translation error did delic really state he would sign in pencil?

I guess he would want to rub it out as soon as he got on the plane heading back if he really did mean pencil! Beyond that shows how many agreements he must have be confident in signing if he uses pencils to sign with!!!

luigi

pre 16 godina

I read always about "big pressure" from US vs. Eu countries for Kosovo...
Well for some little countries maybe this continous mantra that many Serbian politician (particulary from Tadic party )repeat it is true..But...
Do you really think that Germany-France-England and Italy have been forced by the "lame duck" Bush to recognize Kosovo ??!!
In this forum i read many fake recostructions about Eu decision-making ..well this one is another one !!!!
It's simple Kosovo/a is a Eu big power decision as it is a Us decision..like it or no..

Logic

pre 16 godina

To all posters AND ESPECIALLY P R N:

In reference to PRN's comment, I suggest reading comments on the headline "Macedona's early vote called for June 1st" of 04/13.

Albanian poster DONI, among many other statements wrote:
"...albanian language and history, flag etc. are the naional history of that country."
Further: "...whatever the final outcome of negotiation about the name issue, don't worry because is not permanent, when albanians will be majority the name will change again. Hope this will be a third albanian state in balkans and USAlbania wil be a reality"
So, Greater Albania spreading throughout Europe AND USA? Talking about the power of hope over the brain!!!

alba

pre 16 godina

logic,

As for the comment that you "picked up" first that's his personal opinion and second he is not Kosovar..

If i'm gonna pick up and select very "interesting" comments throughout the site(or as you call it "posters") than your nick would be the least appropriate to use...

Peace