Radicals: No more Serbs to Hague

Hvala Bogu.

No Serbs should have ever been sent to this sham, this political creation, this kangaroo court that the imperialists created as a propoganda tool. When war criminals such as Nasir Oric and Ramush Haradinaj are 'not guilty', that is proof that this is a fake tribunal that has nothing to do with justice or truth.

how about we send to the HAGUE all of the NATO officials who economically and miliatarily (and personally)supported the croats to forcibly expell 250,000+ serbs from krajina, lika and dalmatia.
Send Bush, Albright, etc., should stand trial at the HAGUE and personally show the world some REAL democracy in action.

I do not understand why do they call it The Hague. Why don't they call it for what it really is, a court for defiant Serbs who did not want to submit to American imperialsm.

Look out Tadic!!!!!

The steam roller is coming and Serbianism is gaining speed.

I am disgusted in the fact that Serbia, has turned in Serbs to the Hague.

Well done !

Those are good words. If you are the first to wink - you have lost already ! Before bargaining over a compromise the Serbs should have a firm positions. But if you give up like Tadic don't be surprised when they spit and laugh at you ... Also the Serbs should follow the situation in the world being at the edge of the starting crisis ... The crisis increases our chances for the success.

Long live the world economic crisis !

"As long as the Hague Tribunal continues to let 'Haradinajs' live freely, the Radical party will remain victorious in Serbia,“ Nikolić said.
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Meaning that the Hague is obviously biased and further proves it is a NATO court. This provides a victory to the SRS idea that has never support this fake court and who have never been responsible for feeding Serbs to the lions.

The policy of the SRS is correct and that is a true victory.

Fair enough i suppose.

No, more than fair actually, since this Albright show trial was established to legitimize NATO occupations and war against whatever stands in their way worldwide, started in the split up of Yugoslavia.

If the western powers where to win their aggressions (and their not) on Iraq and Afghanistan (and Palestine) we could expect a similar "tribunal" for their resistance...

You don't have to be a rabid nationalist to say that Kosovo should remain part of Serbia. Democratic, EU looking, peace loving Serbs also view Kosovo as a higher priority.

Making this election and either-or is wrong. Serbs want (and eventually will have) both.

It's just that the EU won't come first.

"As long as the Hague Tribunal continues to let 'Haradinajs' live freely, the Radical party will remain victorious in Serbia,“ Nikolić said.

In other words a not guilty verdict at the Hague for any of those that murdered Serbs is a cause for celebration if you are in the radical party.

Another reason to support the conviction of those that commit crimes against Serbs.

bganon

Crisis and defeat is what this current government have brought upon Serbia by siding with the enemy. It is now only natural for the SRS to gain power.

This is not the ideal scenario but it is the best on offer. With a strong Russia and many powerful supporters in the world, Serbia will do well.

There is no return to UN sanctions or isolation as some would have you believe. Just wait and see.

And come August I'll be living in Belgrade to enjoy a wonderful city and country.

miri, for some reason I sense a hint bitterness in your post. Celebration over already?

No more Serbs to Hague-

No Serbs to be sent to the 'court of criminals' to be tried and tested and finally shot/imprisoned...

Is this a court of judges or the war tribunal of Baghdad?

And we never should have sent any Serbs there. Follow America's example and only allow our citizens to be tried in our country.

Someone - please hit that Nikolić in the head with a reality-stick.

Bob,

“… I … not … see the Hague …. as a proUS-antiSerb organisation. …”

I think you should look better. Try reading for example excellent discussion on the forum of University of Pittsburg. http://www.slobodan-milosevic.org/disc.htm Take a good look at the proceedings of the S. Milosevic “trial”: http://www.milosevic-trial.org/trial/index.htm

“… The Hague was set up to try people for some pretty nasty criminal activity…”

If “International Community” really just wanted to bring to (objective) justice those who are responsible for the war crimes, there wasn’t any need to organize such an ad-hoc “tribunal” as ICTY. World already have International Court of Justice (ICJ) in Den Haag. It exists and works for sixty two years already. Problem with this Court from Western point of view is that being UN court, it is much to independent for their taste. So, they made ICTY which they control completely and use as yet another tool for their Balkan policy objectives.

“…hurt the good name of Serbia in the world, … Hague … world saw what was cynically and murderously being done and put a stop to it by bombing. They bombed again when the same behaviours started to be repeated in Kosovo. You may not agree with it or like it - but that is the truth…”

No, that is not the truth, that is distortion. Truth is, war is ugly. People get killed, innocent and vulnerable unfortunately often in bigger numbers then solders. Atrocities, happen in every war, especially in the civil war, as was in SFRY case. Official Western narrative of evil Serbs committing genocide on all other ethnic groups, other ethnic groups being peace loving, innocent victims and Western countries being neutral protector of universal human rights, is (very) far from the reality. (Compare numbers of the victims, minorities, refuges…. Read the books of F. Tudjman and A. Izetbegovic. When you are done, I think you will think differently.

Truth is, West planed destruction of SFRY long time ago. In place of Yugoslavia they prefer many small, weak, poor banana republics that they can easily control. All ethnicities voted extremists in the power, who promptly led their constituency into the war(s) for realization of their nationalist goals, “big” mono-ethnic states.

“…If Mladic were a hero he would have given himself up long ago - instead he hide…”

I don’t think that it would bring anything good to the Serbs. He would be put on the show trial, same as S. Milosevic was and blackmail us with something else.

I am not in agreement with all those here who see the Hague purely as a proUS-antiSerb organisation.

The Hague was set up to try people for some pretty nasty criminal activity. That activity has done lots to hurt the good name of Serbia in the world, and no amount of bitterness about the Hague is going to hide that wickedness. The world saw what was cynically and murderously being done and put a stop to it by bombing. They bombed again when the same behaviours started to be repeated in Kosovo. You may not agree with it or like it - but that is the truth.

It would be better for Serbia to clear out its thugs to the Hague and go down a democratic lawful path.

If Mladic were a hero he would have given himself up long ago - instead he hides.

Nothing I say above excuses the ethnic cleansing of Serbs from Kosovo or the illegal UDI that is stealing Serbian territory.

You do not have to side with criminals to support Serbia's territorial integrity.

Bganon, stop putting words in Nikolic's mouth. If you don't like the guy argue against his policies, but don't try to distort what he is saying.

He does not wish any harm to Serbs and you know it, but is merely saying that they are the only ones prepared to step up and defend them.
For as long as there is injustice Serbs will follow him as he is the only defender. Naturally he hopes that Serbs will follow him even when the injustice is wiped out as he definately will deserve it.

I really have about ZERO confidence in the Hague and its ability to competently try anyone successfully. The lenient sentences towards those who committed crimes against Serbians, and the fact that many of those non-Serbs accused of crimes were tried for crimes against other non-Serbs, makes the Hague a complete and utter farce. I also believe that Serbia should NOT sign any SAA without a solid clause on the outcome status on Kosovo.

However, I also believe in honor and sacrifice. If Serbia believes in participating in the International Community and demanding adherence to UNSC 1244, then Serbia must live up to its obligations as well, even when they are biased beyond belief. What Nikolic is advocating is hypocritical when Serbia’s official stance on Kosovo is based upon the rule of international law. I would even go so far as to say this course is very dangerous for Serbia’s cause. I am very disappointed in Nikolic, I was never ever a supporter in the least bit, but at least lately he seemed to be contributing in a very positive manner to the political discourse. These kinds of statements should be strongly condemned by all Serbs who advocate a legal, not military, defense of Kosovo at this time.

The reality is, innocent or guilty, sometimes soldiers are called upon to make the ultimate sacrifice for their country in their hour of need. That time is NOW Mladic.

Turn yourself in, let us sign the SAA while insisting it contains provisions maintaining Serbia’s population, and you would be a hero for your people.

this guy will destroy Serbia!!! i hope that my fellow Serbian voters will prevent him from getting any important position in Serbian future government. Seselj, Milosevic, Nikolic led this country from 1990-2000 and the people who lived under their regime in Serbia know what kind of "life" we had. But, I'm pretty optimistic, because OCTOBER 5 is still ALIVE.
SVI!!! SVI!!! SVI!!! ZA TADICA!!!!!! I'm sick and tired to listen these "FAKE patriots".

Peggy pretty hard to put words in Nikolic's mouth when it was a direct quote:

"As long as the Hague Tribunal continues to let 'Haradinajs' live freely, the Radical party will remain victorious in Serbia,“ Nikolić said.

I agree with him, if you do not state your reasons.
The answer in my opinion lies in the fact that people vote for SRS through dissatisfaction, not necessarily because they think SRS are best for the job.

Nothing controversial there.

Thus by making Serbia a successful, law abiding country we will be rid of the extreme right for good, or force them to reform.

"Meaning that the Hague is obviously biased and further proves it is a NATO court. This provides a victory to the SRS idea that has never support this fake court and who have never been responsible for feeding Serbs to the lions.

The policy of the SRS is correct and that is a true victory.
(ZK UK, 14 April 2008 18:46)"


To ZK from UK.
Now that you cleared things up for us, I wish you a long and "healthy/dark" future with SRS and Nikolic as your head of government!

Oh, I forgot, you don't even live in Serbia!!
Either way my wish is still valid.

ZK I'd rather believe the direct quote from Nikolic than your interpretation, unless you are a spokesman for the SRS.

The message is that for as long as injustices are committed against Serbs they will flock to SRS. We all know there is truth in this.
It is therefore logical that diehard SRS members and their army of supporters desire crisis and defeat in order for their party to gain power.They cannot rule with it.

Its a variation on Machiaveli but not much of one.

"miri, for some reason I sense a hint bitterness in your post. Celebration over already?"

To ZK from UK.
Actually things are better than expected. The only thing missing is Nikolic in power in Belgrade. That would give K-Albanians another boost or another bonus round of recognition.

If Mladic were a hero he would have given himself up long ago - instead he hides.
(Bob, 14 April 2008 19:36)

The common Serb position Bob is that Serbs cannot obtains a fair trail at this kangaroo court. This has nothing to do with hiding but everything to do with living as a free man, accountable only to the sovereign state of Serbia-end of argument.

Hi Stevan

Dwelling on whether a thug should be tried in this court or another is not exactly constructive.

I have no interest in defending anything of what went on in Milosevic's time - it was pretty awful. This spurious argument about where to try criminals will not help Serbia look strong in the world, instead it will indicate that people have not yet rejected the viciousness that nationalism can unleash.

Before the wars started I was told to remember that the sides are 'all as bad as each other'. The key word here is 'bad'. There is no merit in trying to argue that the other side were 'as bad'.

The west didn't intervene for three years, and lots of lives were lost. Talking of conspiracy theories again is spurious - talking might provide self justification, but it won't change anything. Yes the west does have a 'down' on Serbia - but the way to change it is to move on.

I want Serbia to have a good name - and that includes cleaning out the criminality and facing up to the past. Serbia is not bound by what happened in the Milosevic era and it can move on. It also has every right to assert its case about Kosovo.

Hi Tesla

Firstly, the crimes we are talking about were not committed in Serbia.

Secondly they are international crimes - Serbia has signed the relevant international accords and so is bound by them too.

Thirdly, UN resolutions set up the Hague. Note that Serbia wants the enforcement of another UN resolution in order to maintain its case for keeping Kosovo.

From the point of view of the outside world, the emphasis on defending war criminals is seen as an acceptance of ethnic cleansing and murder - that is extremely harmful to Serbia's position in the world.

Tesla, it's got everything to do with Mladić being a coward and letting the rest of Serbia suffer for his cowardice. The same goes for Karadžić. The two should have had the guts to turn themselves in.

Now, Nikolić is excusing their actions and letting them off the hook. Serbs can not turn a blind eye to what has been perpetrated by these two. It's important that they be held accountable so that every other Serb can walk with a clear conscience. Until this happens, Serbs will always have the cloud of war criminals over them.

There's no room for a gray area when it comes to this. It's black and white.

The comments of Nikolic and the comments we see here in this page show to us clearly that for many Serbs the dicator Slobodan Milosevic and the criminals Arkan, Seselj, Mladic and Karadzic are still regarded as “folk heroes”…

"Nikolić warned that everyone who recognizes Kosovo’s independence will end up in prison. "

!!!

Well, all you "patriots" of Serbia, just go and give your vote to SRS and the "politics" of Seselj.

But do not play innocent bystander when smoke one day clears from the ruins after SRS's Serbia.

What is in the core of the "politics" of Seselj? He put it straight one day when he was asked how he feels about the murder of Prime Minister Djindjic.

"The happiest day of my life."

There you have it, you "patriots" of Serbia.

Someone - please hit that Nikolić in the head with a reality-stick.

this guy will destroy Serbia!!! i hope that my fellow Serbian voters will prevent him from getting any important position in Serbian future government. Seselj, Milosevic, Nikolic led this country from 1990-2000 and the people who lived under their regime in Serbia know what kind of "life" we had. But, I'm pretty optimistic, because OCTOBER 5 is still ALIVE.
SVI!!! SVI!!! SVI!!! ZA TADICA!!!!!! I'm sick and tired to listen these "FAKE patriots".

"Meaning that the Hague is obviously biased and further proves it is a NATO court. This provides a victory to the SRS idea that has never support this fake court and who have never been responsible for feeding Serbs to the lions.

The policy of the SRS is correct and that is a true victory.
(ZK UK, 14 April 2008 18:46)"


To ZK from UK.
Now that you cleared things up for us, I wish you a long and "healthy/dark" future with SRS and Nikolic as your head of government!

Oh, I forgot, you don't even live in Serbia!!
Either way my wish is still valid.

I am not in agreement with all those here who see the Hague purely as a proUS-antiSerb organisation.

The Hague was set up to try people for some pretty nasty criminal activity. That activity has done lots to hurt the good name of Serbia in the world, and no amount of bitterness about the Hague is going to hide that wickedness. The world saw what was cynically and murderously being done and put a stop to it by bombing. They bombed again when the same behaviours started to be repeated in Kosovo. You may not agree with it or like it - but that is the truth.

It would be better for Serbia to clear out its thugs to the Hague and go down a democratic lawful path.

If Mladic were a hero he would have given himself up long ago - instead he hides.

Nothing I say above excuses the ethnic cleansing of Serbs from Kosovo or the illegal UDI that is stealing Serbian territory.

You do not have to side with criminals to support Serbia's territorial integrity.

The comments of Nikolic and the comments we see here in this page show to us clearly that for many Serbs the dicator Slobodan Milosevic and the criminals Arkan, Seselj, Mladic and Karadzic are still regarded as “folk heroes”…

"miri, for some reason I sense a hint bitterness in your post. Celebration over already?"

To ZK from UK.
Actually things are better than expected. The only thing missing is Nikolic in power in Belgrade. That would give K-Albanians another boost or another bonus round of recognition.

Look out Tadic!!!!!

The steam roller is coming and Serbianism is gaining speed.

I am disgusted in the fact that Serbia, has turned in Serbs to the Hague.

ZK I'd rather believe the direct quote from Nikolic than your interpretation, unless you are a spokesman for the SRS.

The message is that for as long as injustices are committed against Serbs they will flock to SRS. We all know there is truth in this.
It is therefore logical that diehard SRS members and their army of supporters desire crisis and defeat in order for their party to gain power.They cannot rule with it.

Its a variation on Machiaveli but not much of one.

Peggy pretty hard to put words in Nikolic's mouth when it was a direct quote:

"As long as the Hague Tribunal continues to let 'Haradinajs' live freely, the Radical party will remain victorious in Serbia,“ Nikolić said.

I agree with him, if you do not state your reasons.
The answer in my opinion lies in the fact that people vote for SRS through dissatisfaction, not necessarily because they think SRS are best for the job.

Nothing controversial there.

Thus by making Serbia a successful, law abiding country we will be rid of the extreme right for good, or force them to reform.

Hvala Bogu.

No Serbs should have ever been sent to this sham, this political creation, this kangaroo court that the imperialists created as a propoganda tool. When war criminals such as Nasir Oric and Ramush Haradinaj are 'not guilty', that is proof that this is a fake tribunal that has nothing to do with justice or truth.

No more Serbs to Hague-

No Serbs to be sent to the 'court of criminals' to be tried and tested and finally shot/imprisoned...

Is this a court of judges or the war tribunal of Baghdad?

"As long as the Hague Tribunal continues to let 'Haradinajs' live freely, the Radical party will remain victorious in Serbia,“ Nikolić said.

In other words a not guilty verdict at the Hague for any of those that murdered Serbs is a cause for celebration if you are in the radical party.

Another reason to support the conviction of those that commit crimes against Serbs.

"Nikolić warned that everyone who recognizes Kosovo’s independence will end up in prison. "

!!!

Well, all you "patriots" of Serbia, just go and give your vote to SRS and the "politics" of Seselj.

But do not play innocent bystander when smoke one day clears from the ruins after SRS's Serbia.

What is in the core of the "politics" of Seselj? He put it straight one day when he was asked how he feels about the murder of Prime Minister Djindjic.

"The happiest day of my life."

There you have it, you "patriots" of Serbia.

I really have about ZERO confidence in the Hague and its ability to competently try anyone successfully. The lenient sentences towards those who committed crimes against Serbians, and the fact that many of those non-Serbs accused of crimes were tried for crimes against other non-Serbs, makes the Hague a complete and utter farce. I also believe that Serbia should NOT sign any SAA without a solid clause on the outcome status on Kosovo.

However, I also believe in honor and sacrifice. If Serbia believes in participating in the International Community and demanding adherence to UNSC 1244, then Serbia must live up to its obligations as well, even when they are biased beyond belief. What Nikolic is advocating is hypocritical when Serbia’s official stance on Kosovo is based upon the rule of international law. I would even go so far as to say this course is very dangerous for Serbia’s cause. I am very disappointed in Nikolic, I was never ever a supporter in the least bit, but at least lately he seemed to be contributing in a very positive manner to the political discourse. These kinds of statements should be strongly condemned by all Serbs who advocate a legal, not military, defense of Kosovo at this time.

The reality is, innocent or guilty, sometimes soldiers are called upon to make the ultimate sacrifice for their country in their hour of need. That time is NOW Mladic.

Turn yourself in, let us sign the SAA while insisting it contains provisions maintaining Serbia’s population, and you would be a hero for your people.

how about we send to the HAGUE all of the NATO officials who economically and miliatarily (and personally)supported the croats to forcibly expell 250,000+ serbs from krajina, lika and dalmatia.
Send Bush, Albright, etc., should stand trial at the HAGUE and personally show the world some REAL democracy in action.

Fair enough i suppose.

No, more than fair actually, since this Albright show trial was established to legitimize NATO occupations and war against whatever stands in their way worldwide, started in the split up of Yugoslavia.

If the western powers where to win their aggressions (and their not) on Iraq and Afghanistan (and Palestine) we could expect a similar "tribunal" for their resistance...

You don't have to be a rabid nationalist to say that Kosovo should remain part of Serbia. Democratic, EU looking, peace loving Serbs also view Kosovo as a higher priority.

Making this election and either-or is wrong. Serbs want (and eventually will have) both.

It's just that the EU won't come first.

Well done !

Those are good words. If you are the first to wink - you have lost already ! Before bargaining over a compromise the Serbs should have a firm positions. But if you give up like Tadic don't be surprised when they spit and laugh at you ... Also the Serbs should follow the situation in the world being at the edge of the starting crisis ... The crisis increases our chances for the success.

Long live the world economic crisis !

I do not understand why do they call it The Hague. Why don't they call it for what it really is, a court for defiant Serbs who did not want to submit to American imperialsm.

"As long as the Hague Tribunal continues to let 'Haradinajs' live freely, the Radical party will remain victorious in Serbia,“ Nikolić said.
--
Meaning that the Hague is obviously biased and further proves it is a NATO court. This provides a victory to the SRS idea that has never support this fake court and who have never been responsible for feeding Serbs to the lions.

The policy of the SRS is correct and that is a true victory.

And we never should have sent any Serbs there. Follow America's example and only allow our citizens to be tried in our country.

bganon

Crisis and defeat is what this current government have brought upon Serbia by siding with the enemy. It is now only natural for the SRS to gain power.

This is not the ideal scenario but it is the best on offer. With a strong Russia and many powerful supporters in the world, Serbia will do well.

There is no return to UN sanctions or isolation as some would have you believe. Just wait and see.

And come August I'll be living in Belgrade to enjoy a wonderful city and country.

miri, for some reason I sense a hint bitterness in your post. Celebration over already?

Bob,

“… I … not … see the Hague …. as a proUS-antiSerb organisation. …”

I think you should look better. Try reading for example excellent discussion on the forum of University of Pittsburg. http://www.slobodan-milosevic.org/disc.htm Take a good look at the proceedings of the S. Milosevic “trial”: http://www.milosevic-trial.org/trial/index.htm

“… The Hague was set up to try people for some pretty nasty criminal activity…”

If “International Community” really just wanted to bring to (objective) justice those who are responsible for the war crimes, there wasn’t any need to organize such an ad-hoc “tribunal” as ICTY. World already have International Court of Justice (ICJ) in Den Haag. It exists and works for sixty two years already. Problem with this Court from Western point of view is that being UN court, it is much to independent for their taste. So, they made ICTY which they control completely and use as yet another tool for their Balkan policy objectives.

“…hurt the good name of Serbia in the world, … Hague … world saw what was cynically and murderously being done and put a stop to it by bombing. They bombed again when the same behaviours started to be repeated in Kosovo. You may not agree with it or like it - but that is the truth…”

No, that is not the truth, that is distortion. Truth is, war is ugly. People get killed, innocent and vulnerable unfortunately often in bigger numbers then solders. Atrocities, happen in every war, especially in the civil war, as was in SFRY case. Official Western narrative of evil Serbs committing genocide on all other ethnic groups, other ethnic groups being peace loving, innocent victims and Western countries being neutral protector of universal human rights, is (very) far from the reality. (Compare numbers of the victims, minorities, refuges…. Read the books of F. Tudjman and A. Izetbegovic. When you are done, I think you will think differently.

Truth is, West planed destruction of SFRY long time ago. In place of Yugoslavia they prefer many small, weak, poor banana republics that they can easily control. All ethnicities voted extremists in the power, who promptly led their constituency into the war(s) for realization of their nationalist goals, “big” mono-ethnic states.

“…If Mladic were a hero he would have given himself up long ago - instead he hide…”

I don’t think that it would bring anything good to the Serbs. He would be put on the show trial, same as S. Milosevic was and blackmail us with something else.

Bganon, stop putting words in Nikolic's mouth. If you don't like the guy argue against his policies, but don't try to distort what he is saying.

He does not wish any harm to Serbs and you know it, but is merely saying that they are the only ones prepared to step up and defend them.
For as long as there is injustice Serbs will follow him as he is the only defender. Naturally he hopes that Serbs will follow him even when the injustice is wiped out as he definately will deserve it.

If Mladic were a hero he would have given himself up long ago - instead he hides.
(Bob, 14 April 2008 19:36)

The common Serb position Bob is that Serbs cannot obtains a fair trail at this kangaroo court. This has nothing to do with hiding but everything to do with living as a free man, accountable only to the sovereign state of Serbia-end of argument.

Hi Stevan

Dwelling on whether a thug should be tried in this court or another is not exactly constructive.

I have no interest in defending anything of what went on in Milosevic's time - it was pretty awful. This spurious argument about where to try criminals will not help Serbia look strong in the world, instead it will indicate that people have not yet rejected the viciousness that nationalism can unleash.

Before the wars started I was told to remember that the sides are 'all as bad as each other'. The key word here is 'bad'. There is no merit in trying to argue that the other side were 'as bad'.

The west didn't intervene for three years, and lots of lives were lost. Talking of conspiracy theories again is spurious - talking might provide self justification, but it won't change anything. Yes the west does have a 'down' on Serbia - but the way to change it is to move on.

I want Serbia to have a good name - and that includes cleaning out the criminality and facing up to the past. Serbia is not bound by what happened in the Milosevic era and it can move on. It also has every right to assert its case about Kosovo.

Hi Tesla

Firstly, the crimes we are talking about were not committed in Serbia.

Secondly they are international crimes - Serbia has signed the relevant international accords and so is bound by them too.

Thirdly, UN resolutions set up the Hague. Note that Serbia wants the enforcement of another UN resolution in order to maintain its case for keeping Kosovo.

From the point of view of the outside world, the emphasis on defending war criminals is seen as an acceptance of ethnic cleansing and murder - that is extremely harmful to Serbia's position in the world.

Tesla, it's got everything to do with Mladić being a coward and letting the rest of Serbia suffer for his cowardice. The same goes for Karadžić. The two should have had the guts to turn themselves in.

Now, Nikolić is excusing their actions and letting them off the hook. Serbs can not turn a blind eye to what has been perpetrated by these two. It's important that they be held accountable so that every other Serb can walk with a clear conscience. Until this happens, Serbs will always have the cloud of war criminals over them.

There's no room for a gray area when it comes to this. It's black and white.