DS push for EU deal, DSS vows to halt it

I personally have nothing against Mr.Tadic. I can even suppose that he starts to believe the things he is telling you. But something reminds me of another Boris that we unfortunately once had here in Russia. Now both of us have to face the consequences of the late Boris ruling ... He too persuaded us to do whtever they told us to do threatening to stop the loans later stolen by some people to live in London now ...

How can you trust the force which has not even asked your pardon for the bombings and the other crimes ! What samples can they give you to prove that the EU membership is the only way to prosperity ? How many documents Serbia will have to sign to legalize K-Albanistan before they say their final "yes" for your integration!

And finally after the transmittion of the state powers both in Russia and Serbia this May as I do believe Russia will be able to provide you with not only moral but economic support as well. Also I think the Middle of the Road politics once invented in Yugoslavia is also a good choice for the Serbs.

Good Luck !

Mr Tadic:

What has the EU/US done for Serbia besides humilate them.
Stop these lies!!! Being Serbian, I recall my nation fought many wars to keep it's territory intact We don't need you to take our heritage and pride away from us. You have done enough, please leave!!

Tadic, please go ahead and sign the deal...

...Before the Serbian people realize what it entails -

Surrendering sovereignty...
Surrendering Kosovo...
Surrendering pride...
Surrendering an 'independent' future...

Hurry...!!

Could any of the Radicals on this site please tell me how Serbia can get back Kosovo ?
I am really confused.

Could any of the Radicals on this site please tell me how Serbia can get back Kosovo ?
I am really confused.-
The question here is NOT about getting Kosovo back...It already has Kosovo...!

The Question is about surrendering it...how...by electing the wrong party, which eventually shall 'bow' before outsiders and DRAG Serbia into recognizing this illegal entity - "Kosovo"

#7 AKA Sam

I do not if I am a radical, but the only answer is further negotiations. That has not worked since Pristina has ignored that. The only other answer is the unfortunate use of force on the illegal so called country of Kosovo.

Joying NATO and Eu is the only feasable real way for Serbia to ever have ANY say in what will happen in Kosovo. Pure and simple.

"Tadić added that the signing of the Stabilization and Association Agreement (SAA) with the EU would help in the fight for preserving Kosovo, "because the SAA calls for the UN Security Council Resolution 1244 to be respected". "

So Tadic.. why didn't "some" of the EU countries respect this 1244? So Tadic is going directly to the very people which supported the illegal bombing of his country. Today those EU countries along with america are occupying KiM and they want to create the first nato state. To this day that EU still blackmails Serbia in every possible way.

Tadic:
"[signing of the SAA would help for preserving Kosovo] because the SAA calls for the UN Security Council Resolution 1244 to be respected".

I'm usually for Tadic and DS but now I can't follow his logic. Or is he acting simple? Even blind man can see how resolution 1244 is being respected by EU's majority.
EU considers 1244 as an item for interpretation rather than a resolution to be respected. If Tadic wants to be heard as an honest politician with sound mind he must admit EU is playing the game of double standards. Otherwise he looks just as a naive man confronted by the crooks of the SRS.

I know that Kostunica still jumps rather to carriage pulled by DS than SRS. He has his weaknesses but he knows what is to be expected with the SRS.

Minister Loncar managed to include 2 hate words almost side by side 'NATO' and 'Canak'! He should be given a medal.

Such a pity that he couldn't put 'Cedomir Jovanovic' in there as well...

Kosovo je Srbija but also Srbija is Europe. Mr. Tadic seems very reasonable. I have not heard that EU mebership would be conditioned by recognition of any state in the world. Milosevic's period was waste of time and brouht Serbia into bad times.It's time for change now.

ORTHODOX,

“… something reminds me of another Boris…”

Exactly. Our Boris is naïve or working for the “International Community”. Somehow, I don’t believe that he is naïve…

“… Russia will be able to provide you with not only moral but economic support as well. Also I think the Middle of the Road politics once invented in Yugoslavia is also a good choice for the Serbs….”

Few powerful countries wants to destroy us completely. Luckily, gone are the days when they could do whatever they pleased. In this globalised world they can’t isolate us anymore. There is absolutely nothing what US and EU produces that we can’t buy cheaper in Asia. We need to refresh and further develop cooperation with our friends from the Non Aligned movement, our regional allies and friends such as Greece and Romania and of course our traditional allie Russia. We also have to get rid of IMF as soon as possible. Their loans are nothing else then a trap. It is a way for US to completely control us. They strangulated countless countries all over the globe with their “friendly” economic “reforms”. If we need investment and loans, there are other countries with plenty of cash to invest. We have to use all positive sides of globalization and trade freely with any country in the world interested for cooperation in the mutual interest.

John B.: "Serbia would have to become a similar puppet state to every be allowed anywhere near a top EU position."
Oh John what a total lack of selfconfidence! Serbs are not a toys, they will find the way in EU, they survived 500 years under Turks and regardless of any EU problemes it is still another cup of tea than Ottoman Empire. Kosovo je Srbija, no doubt and I am sad that majority of EU countries recognized its theft but still EU is the only reasonable way for Srbija, much better than to live in ilusion of encircled country (have you seen Kusturica's Underground?)

Dear John, many of your statements are true or at least interesting and worth of reading but... my country is some 4 years a member country of EU, there are some problems, (sugar production regulations, overregulation of food production...) but. I can say that it was bliss to join EU for my country. Quite often you can hear politicians warning before lose of sovereignity, danger for all nation etc. in fact there are mainly their worries about its own power and uncomfortable feeling that they can be controlled. As for Czech Kingdom the "golden age" were times of the king Karel the IVth. for Serbs it was the same time under serbian tzar Stjepan Dusan - during these times both countries were open and they were actively creating the European system. I believe that this way - without lack of self-confidence without fear build up the enviroment is much better than to build walls and regard neigbours as enemies. I thing the joining EU is the only reasonable and realistic way today. However your idea of Serbia as some kind of bridge is a bit unrealistic. We had the same idea after the WWII. - Czechoslovakia as bridge between East and West - form times after we have saying: Bridges have one bad feature - anyone can tread them under food. Any market in the world is regulated, Russian as American, as Chinese, Indian etc. I am afraid that eventuality you describe means to became the kind of Russian satelite for Serbia in fact.
All the best to You

Could any of the Radicals on this site please tell me how Serbia can get back Kosovo ?
I am really confused.
(Sam, 14 April 2008 18:19)

Simple. Kosovo never went anywhere. It is still Serbian according to international law, and more importantly resides in the hearts, minds and consciousness of every Serb for ALL time. This is how we have always prevailed against much stronger opponents. Time and justice always smiles on us Serbs.

I confronted Deputy Prime MInister Bozidar Djelic of Tadic's Democratic Party (DS) on this issue today at a symposium here in Washington. First, I rejected his upside-down allegation that his opponents are behaving like schizophrenics on the Kosovo issue. I reminded him that the first thing a real schizophrenic does is to accuse those around him of having schizophrenia.

Djelic tried to say he has the authority to sign the SAA based on a Cabinet decision taken last fall, but he neglected to note that Kosovo has since declared independence, received the support of most EU states, and is awaiting the arrival of an illegal EU mission -- all of which are factors that totally change the circumstances under which the Cabinet had been acting.

I also asked Djelic why it is that the SAA must suddenly be signed in such haste on April 28, barely two weeks before Serbia's elections, when in fact he could wait to sign it AFTER the Serbian voters have said whether they want it or not. He tried weakly to deny that the SAA signing attempt has anything to do with the election, but when I stated that (the mad bomber) Solana himself has admitted trying to influence the Serbian vote, Djelic tried to change the subject.

He said there was no alternative to patiently trying to convince the United States to reverse its support for Kosovo independence during this Administration or maybe the "a future one", but in the meantime, he said Serbia should just go ahead and sign the SAA anyway.

Djelic cited article 135 of the SAA text as referring to Serbia together with Kosovo under UNSC Res. 1244. But he neglected to take note that even the UN itself is publicly saying that 1244 is "still in effect" despite UNMIK's obvious two-faced approach of expanding Albanian dominance over an independent Kosovo. Maybe Djelic forgot that US official Frank Wisner discounted 1244's reference to Serbian sovereignty because those words appear only in the preamble of 1244 and do "NOT appear in the 'operative' clauses of 1244".

If the Tadic-Jeremic-Djelic fantasy about Kosovo were being put forward by politicians in any other country facing a similar situation, the public would either laugh them out of office or have them committed to a mental asylum. But in Belgrade, where US-paid preaching "cultural decontamination" have manipulated the media to pump Serbs full of lies for nearly a decade, some people still don't see the absurdity of signing a deal with the EU just as it prepares to illegally occupy Serbian Kosovo.

Both Jeremic and Djelic are indeed slippery talkers in English, but they spectacularly fail the fundamental test of logic. If they can't see the danger of signing anything with the EU, it means that they are either faking their blindness, or are too negligent to be allowed anywhere near the controls of the Serbian state.

I bet that they are merely making one last effort to prove that with enough foreign money and other influential support you still can fool a majority of the Serbian voters all of the time. I know that they are wrong and I have full faith that the brave Serbian voters are going to show them how absolutely totally wrong they are on May 11 .

Djelic ended his responses to me with a comment about how he looks forward to a day when Serbia is so deeply integrated into the EU that a Serb will be chairing EU meetings, just "like Slovenia is chairing the EU today".

I was stunned to hear Djelic make the gaffe of praising Slovenia so soon after the whole world heard from a Slovenian official about how Slovenia's "leadership" of the EU was nothing of the kind and was instead just a remote controlling act by the USA. Slovenia's vaunted EU "presidency" has already been proven to be nothing more than Big Brother America throwing its voice and pulling the strings of its pathetic puppet Slovenia. Serbia would have to become a similar puppet state to every be allowed anywhere near a top EU position.

It's time to sweep aside the entire Western-trained and indoctrinated DS regime (Tadic/Jeremic/Djelic/ et al). And it's time for Serbia to elect a government made up of Serbs who will work for Serbia first, only and forever.

Kosovo is Serbia! Serbia is Kosovo!

John Bosnitch
Washington, DC

Joying NATO and Eu is the only feasable real way for Serbia to ever have ANY say in what will happen in Kosovo. Pure and simple.
(nick, 14 April 2008 16:21)

umm,, how so ? when at that point the Eu will have more say over Kosovo, keeping in mind most of it's members already have recognized it.

i think the Serbs realized the EU deal has to wait, well at least the smart ones do. I really don;t see any benefit coming for Serbia if they join, i see a tremendous amount of benefit for the Eu nevertheless, with resource robbing, and sending Serbian soldiers to fight bureaucratic wars, and using Serbian soil for outer prospects. ... its no wonder why the EU is begging Serbia to join their club.

Dear Petr,

On the contrary, it is not a lack of self-confidence, but my full faith in Serbs and Serbia that informs my views against joining the EU. My thoughts on "Serbia and the EU" can be found here:
http://www.byzantinesacredart.com/blog/2006/11/european-serbia.html

Your suggestion that opposing the EU constitutes support for an "UNDERGROUND"-style illusion of isolation is also an inversion of reality.

Instead of joining the EU protectionists behind their new Berlin Wall of EU trade barriers against non-members, Serbia should remain totally open to trade and business with all sides. Not only should Serbia trade with the EU, it should expand its existing free-trade pact with Russia to include China and India. In this way, a perfectly open and competitive Serbia would become the sole beachhead in Europe for the world's two most dynamic economies.

Staying out of the EU is the only road to full freedom and true multilateralism. Entering the EU's over-regulated statist clique is the pathway to isolation from the rest of the world and a ticket on the economic equivalent of the Titanic: a non-competitive, insular, members-only blackhole of cartels, exclusionary rules and institutionalized isolationism.

Having lived 18 years in Asia, I can tell you that the EU view of economics is outdated, myopic and self-defeating.

When the EU is willing to stick its head out of the darkness of its protectionist shell, Serbia and the other truly open nations of this world will be standing in the sunlight, ready to greet you.

Only then will EU-ists be able to shed their various xenophobias such as anti-Semitism, anti-Serbianism and anti-Roma-ism and the other inevitable forms of racism spawned by their economic insularity.

Best of luck to you, neighbor,

John Bosnitch

Could any of the Radicals on this site please tell me how Serbia can get back Kosovo ?
I am really confused.

Joying NATO and Eu is the only feasable real way for Serbia to ever have ANY say in what will happen in Kosovo. Pure and simple.

Minister Loncar managed to include 2 hate words almost side by side 'NATO' and 'Canak'! He should be given a medal.

Such a pity that he couldn't put 'Cedomir Jovanovic' in there as well...

Tadic, please go ahead and sign the deal...

...Before the Serbian people realize what it entails -

Surrendering sovereignty...
Surrendering Kosovo...
Surrendering pride...
Surrendering an 'independent' future...

Hurry...!!

I personally have nothing against Mr.Tadic. I can even suppose that he starts to believe the things he is telling you. But something reminds me of another Boris that we unfortunately once had here in Russia. Now both of us have to face the consequences of the late Boris ruling ... He too persuaded us to do whtever they told us to do threatening to stop the loans later stolen by some people to live in London now ...

How can you trust the force which has not even asked your pardon for the bombings and the other crimes ! What samples can they give you to prove that the EU membership is the only way to prosperity ? How many documents Serbia will have to sign to legalize K-Albanistan before they say their final "yes" for your integration!

And finally after the transmittion of the state powers both in Russia and Serbia this May as I do believe Russia will be able to provide you with not only moral but economic support as well. Also I think the Middle of the Road politics once invented in Yugoslavia is also a good choice for the Serbs.

Good Luck !

Mr Tadic:

What has the EU/US done for Serbia besides humilate them.
Stop these lies!!! Being Serbian, I recall my nation fought many wars to keep it's territory intact We don't need you to take our heritage and pride away from us. You have done enough, please leave!!

Tadic:
"[signing of the SAA would help for preserving Kosovo] because the SAA calls for the UN Security Council Resolution 1244 to be respected".

I'm usually for Tadic and DS but now I can't follow his logic. Or is he acting simple? Even blind man can see how resolution 1244 is being respected by EU's majority.
EU considers 1244 as an item for interpretation rather than a resolution to be respected. If Tadic wants to be heard as an honest politician with sound mind he must admit EU is playing the game of double standards. Otherwise he looks just as a naive man confronted by the crooks of the SRS.

I know that Kostunica still jumps rather to carriage pulled by DS than SRS. He has his weaknesses but he knows what is to be expected with the SRS.

"Tadić added that the signing of the Stabilization and Association Agreement (SAA) with the EU would help in the fight for preserving Kosovo, "because the SAA calls for the UN Security Council Resolution 1244 to be respected". "

So Tadic.. why didn't "some" of the EU countries respect this 1244? So Tadic is going directly to the very people which supported the illegal bombing of his country. Today those EU countries along with america are occupying KiM and they want to create the first nato state. To this day that EU still blackmails Serbia in every possible way.

Could any of the Radicals on this site please tell me how Serbia can get back Kosovo ?
I am really confused.-
The question here is NOT about getting Kosovo back...It already has Kosovo...!

The Question is about surrendering it...how...by electing the wrong party, which eventually shall 'bow' before outsiders and DRAG Serbia into recognizing this illegal entity - "Kosovo"

Kosovo je Srbija but also Srbija is Europe. Mr. Tadic seems very reasonable. I have not heard that EU mebership would be conditioned by recognition of any state in the world. Milosevic's period was waste of time and brouht Serbia into bad times.It's time for change now.

#7 AKA Sam

I do not if I am a radical, but the only answer is further negotiations. That has not worked since Pristina has ignored that. The only other answer is the unfortunate use of force on the illegal so called country of Kosovo.

Joying NATO and Eu is the only feasable real way for Serbia to ever have ANY say in what will happen in Kosovo. Pure and simple.
(nick, 14 April 2008 16:21)

umm,, how so ? when at that point the Eu will have more say over Kosovo, keeping in mind most of it's members already have recognized it.

i think the Serbs realized the EU deal has to wait, well at least the smart ones do. I really don;t see any benefit coming for Serbia if they join, i see a tremendous amount of benefit for the Eu nevertheless, with resource robbing, and sending Serbian soldiers to fight bureaucratic wars, and using Serbian soil for outer prospects. ... its no wonder why the EU is begging Serbia to join their club.

ORTHODOX,

“… something reminds me of another Boris…”

Exactly. Our Boris is naïve or working for the “International Community”. Somehow, I don’t believe that he is naïve…

“… Russia will be able to provide you with not only moral but economic support as well. Also I think the Middle of the Road politics once invented in Yugoslavia is also a good choice for the Serbs….”

Few powerful countries wants to destroy us completely. Luckily, gone are the days when they could do whatever they pleased. In this globalised world they can’t isolate us anymore. There is absolutely nothing what US and EU produces that we can’t buy cheaper in Asia. We need to refresh and further develop cooperation with our friends from the Non Aligned movement, our regional allies and friends such as Greece and Romania and of course our traditional allie Russia. We also have to get rid of IMF as soon as possible. Their loans are nothing else then a trap. It is a way for US to completely control us. They strangulated countless countries all over the globe with their “friendly” economic “reforms”. If we need investment and loans, there are other countries with plenty of cash to invest. We have to use all positive sides of globalization and trade freely with any country in the world interested for cooperation in the mutual interest.

Could any of the Radicals on this site please tell me how Serbia can get back Kosovo ?
I am really confused.
(Sam, 14 April 2008 18:19)

Simple. Kosovo never went anywhere. It is still Serbian according to international law, and more importantly resides in the hearts, minds and consciousness of every Serb for ALL time. This is how we have always prevailed against much stronger opponents. Time and justice always smiles on us Serbs.

I confronted Deputy Prime MInister Bozidar Djelic of Tadic's Democratic Party (DS) on this issue today at a symposium here in Washington. First, I rejected his upside-down allegation that his opponents are behaving like schizophrenics on the Kosovo issue. I reminded him that the first thing a real schizophrenic does is to accuse those around him of having schizophrenia.

Djelic tried to say he has the authority to sign the SAA based on a Cabinet decision taken last fall, but he neglected to note that Kosovo has since declared independence, received the support of most EU states, and is awaiting the arrival of an illegal EU mission -- all of which are factors that totally change the circumstances under which the Cabinet had been acting.

I also asked Djelic why it is that the SAA must suddenly be signed in such haste on April 28, barely two weeks before Serbia's elections, when in fact he could wait to sign it AFTER the Serbian voters have said whether they want it or not. He tried weakly to deny that the SAA signing attempt has anything to do with the election, but when I stated that (the mad bomber) Solana himself has admitted trying to influence the Serbian vote, Djelic tried to change the subject.

He said there was no alternative to patiently trying to convince the United States to reverse its support for Kosovo independence during this Administration or maybe the "a future one", but in the meantime, he said Serbia should just go ahead and sign the SAA anyway.

Djelic cited article 135 of the SAA text as referring to Serbia together with Kosovo under UNSC Res. 1244. But he neglected to take note that even the UN itself is publicly saying that 1244 is "still in effect" despite UNMIK's obvious two-faced approach of expanding Albanian dominance over an independent Kosovo. Maybe Djelic forgot that US official Frank Wisner discounted 1244's reference to Serbian sovereignty because those words appear only in the preamble of 1244 and do "NOT appear in the 'operative' clauses of 1244".

If the Tadic-Jeremic-Djelic fantasy about Kosovo were being put forward by politicians in any other country facing a similar situation, the public would either laugh them out of office or have them committed to a mental asylum. But in Belgrade, where US-paid preaching "cultural decontamination" have manipulated the media to pump Serbs full of lies for nearly a decade, some people still don't see the absurdity of signing a deal with the EU just as it prepares to illegally occupy Serbian Kosovo.

Both Jeremic and Djelic are indeed slippery talkers in English, but they spectacularly fail the fundamental test of logic. If they can't see the danger of signing anything with the EU, it means that they are either faking their blindness, or are too negligent to be allowed anywhere near the controls of the Serbian state.

I bet that they are merely making one last effort to prove that with enough foreign money and other influential support you still can fool a majority of the Serbian voters all of the time. I know that they are wrong and I have full faith that the brave Serbian voters are going to show them how absolutely totally wrong they are on May 11 .

Djelic ended his responses to me with a comment about how he looks forward to a day when Serbia is so deeply integrated into the EU that a Serb will be chairing EU meetings, just "like Slovenia is chairing the EU today".

I was stunned to hear Djelic make the gaffe of praising Slovenia so soon after the whole world heard from a Slovenian official about how Slovenia's "leadership" of the EU was nothing of the kind and was instead just a remote controlling act by the USA. Slovenia's vaunted EU "presidency" has already been proven to be nothing more than Big Brother America throwing its voice and pulling the strings of its pathetic puppet Slovenia. Serbia would have to become a similar puppet state to every be allowed anywhere near a top EU position.

It's time to sweep aside the entire Western-trained and indoctrinated DS regime (Tadic/Jeremic/Djelic/ et al). And it's time for Serbia to elect a government made up of Serbs who will work for Serbia first, only and forever.

Kosovo is Serbia! Serbia is Kosovo!

John Bosnitch
Washington, DC

John B.: "Serbia would have to become a similar puppet state to every be allowed anywhere near a top EU position."
Oh John what a total lack of selfconfidence! Serbs are not a toys, they will find the way in EU, they survived 500 years under Turks and regardless of any EU problemes it is still another cup of tea than Ottoman Empire. Kosovo je Srbija, no doubt and I am sad that majority of EU countries recognized its theft but still EU is the only reasonable way for Srbija, much better than to live in ilusion of encircled country (have you seen Kusturica's Underground?)

Dear Petr,

On the contrary, it is not a lack of self-confidence, but my full faith in Serbs and Serbia that informs my views against joining the EU. My thoughts on "Serbia and the EU" can be found here:
http://www.byzantinesacredart.com/blog/2006/11/european-serbia.html

Your suggestion that opposing the EU constitutes support for an "UNDERGROUND"-style illusion of isolation is also an inversion of reality.

Instead of joining the EU protectionists behind their new Berlin Wall of EU trade barriers against non-members, Serbia should remain totally open to trade and business with all sides. Not only should Serbia trade with the EU, it should expand its existing free-trade pact with Russia to include China and India. In this way, a perfectly open and competitive Serbia would become the sole beachhead in Europe for the world's two most dynamic economies.

Staying out of the EU is the only road to full freedom and true multilateralism. Entering the EU's over-regulated statist clique is the pathway to isolation from the rest of the world and a ticket on the economic equivalent of the Titanic: a non-competitive, insular, members-only blackhole of cartels, exclusionary rules and institutionalized isolationism.

Having lived 18 years in Asia, I can tell you that the EU view of economics is outdated, myopic and self-defeating.

When the EU is willing to stick its head out of the darkness of its protectionist shell, Serbia and the other truly open nations of this world will be standing in the sunlight, ready to greet you.

Only then will EU-ists be able to shed their various xenophobias such as anti-Semitism, anti-Serbianism and anti-Roma-ism and the other inevitable forms of racism spawned by their economic insularity.

Best of luck to you, neighbor,

John Bosnitch

Dear John, many of your statements are true or at least interesting and worth of reading but... my country is some 4 years a member country of EU, there are some problems, (sugar production regulations, overregulation of food production...) but. I can say that it was bliss to join EU for my country. Quite often you can hear politicians warning before lose of sovereignity, danger for all nation etc. in fact there are mainly their worries about its own power and uncomfortable feeling that they can be controlled. As for Czech Kingdom the "golden age" were times of the king Karel the IVth. for Serbs it was the same time under serbian tzar Stjepan Dusan - during these times both countries were open and they were actively creating the European system. I believe that this way - without lack of self-confidence without fear build up the enviroment is much better than to build walls and regard neigbours as enemies. I thing the joining EU is the only reasonable and realistic way today. However your idea of Serbia as some kind of bridge is a bit unrealistic. We had the same idea after the WWII. - Czechoslovakia as bridge between East and West - form times after we have saying: Bridges have one bad feature - anyone can tread them under food. Any market in the world is regulated, Russian as American, as Chinese, Indian etc. I am afraid that eventuality you describe means to became the kind of Russian satelite for Serbia in fact.
All the best to You