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Saturday, 12.04.2008.

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Ban might reopen Kosovo negotiations

The UN secretary-general might soon appoint a negotiator to re-open negotiations between Belgrade and Priština on Kosovo’s status, said The Times on Friday.

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Mark Green

pre 16 godina

Looks like the celebrations are over and reality is starting to kick in.

The only possible solution is more than autonomy but less than independence. It is more than the Albanians have now and ever will but that all depends on their US masters.

Serbia has no interest in ruling the Albanians and never could, just like the Albanians will never rule the Serbians.

If Serbia has no interest in ruling the Kosovo Albanians, then why not let the them be independent. More than autonomy, less than independence, means just enough autonomy so that Serbia never has to intergrate the Kosovo Albanians in Serbian Society isn't that the truth of the matter.
Kosovo says no to autonomy within Serbia.

Ment

pre 16 godina

If these talks do indeed go through (and that's a BIG if), the best Serbia could achieve is a confederation with Kosovo.

The Serb posters here should not hold their breath for anything more.

In the mean time, the Serb political establishment might do well to change its slogan to "Kosovo and Serbia" rather than "Kosovo is Serbia" if they ever hope to achieve anything from any possible negotiations.

Of course, with the SRS in the driver's seat, that's very unlikely to happen...so there you go. More time and effort wasted.

Petr/Prague

pre 16 godina

Negotiations are the only way to stable solution of Kosovo and Metohija question. OK, UN are not the most powerfull subject in the world at least during the Bush's presidency but still their vouce is important. Time plays for Serbs I believe.Regardless of Johny's oldfashin Pangermanic dreams.

PRN

pre 16 godina

Dear all,

I am for negotiations. Albanians and Serbs should be reconciled, the earlier the better...

Naturally negotiations will take under Kosovo and Serbia's flag, side by side, ...on the table being present Thaci vs Kostunica or Sejdiui vs Tadic...

There are alot of discussions that need to take place...economy, finance, trade, return of pensions, minority rights from each side of the border...and finally...plans how to open embassies in respective capitals....

Howover NOT about the status...Albanian CANNOT afford the luxury of giving up world's biggest powers' recognition for some type of autonomy...we are not so "clever" to do that...

Cheers

veki

pre 16 godina

I am so sick with this letters written by albanians who think they should scare everybody with how brutal albanians are if something isn't going on their way.Numbers go crazy and evil comments reach the sky.
This makes such a rotten impression because it confirms every stereotype about them.
OK, albanian guys lets see how great is your kosovo country going to become' very soon in the future'.Not even billions of dollars can buy the peace of mind, decency and culture. If you get ever get the billions... There is a lots of wishful thinking going on in albanian heads, they think building a state happens just like that, not much experience there obviously.

American

pre 16 godina

This is very good news. Are you folks paying attention to this "Russia is asking for a longer UNMIK, that's all"..Nothing else. We have had a few meetings with the Russian Ambassador and we have agreed that Independence has been declared, and recognized. Russians acknowledge this fact as well. These are some good points to give Serbia's Pro-European Parties some validity for the effort. After all, Serbia has one choice: Europe.
Mr.Ban has said a lot of things. There is nothing going to change. As for "Time" newspaper, this article will increase its share for 1.1%. Time are entrepreneurs. I like it.
Fundamentally, Kosovo is sovereign and independent.

italy

pre 16 godina

Sorry "johnny", you are reverting statements, which is the first sign of a fascist when he intends to escape civil confrontation in a democratic society. What on earth do you know about Russia, Serbia and other "SLAVIC" countries "generally" and particularly?

johny

pre 16 godina

Kate you are only wearing the clothes of a moderate. Or to say it better your mind is telling you that you are a moderate.

I will be very honest with you. If any country oppresses kills, and ethnically cleanses a part of its citizens in an organized institutional manner than the rest of the world should divide that country apart. Its as simple as that. No matter who was in the government at that time.
That principle is what ended colonialism.

As to our friend from Italy, I have no problem with SLAVS in general. You can't put every SLAVIC country in the same bag as Serbia and Russia. As a matter of fact there are plenty of SLAVIC countries that have suffered from these two countries. You can see whatever you want but I don't have a problem with them.

italy

pre 16 godina

I am really confused by good will and grammatical errors of certain comment-writers here, who write Anglo-Saxons with capital letters and "slav peoples" do not enter in that grammatical rule. About the statement who rules over whom, I would not comment. Further, Serbs are not nationalists when they declare that Kosovo is part of Serbia, but patriotic.

Kate

pre 16 godina

Roberto - How sad that you think an argument in favour of protecting international law and agreements is a 'nationalist rant'. But I can't blame you, given the current climate of anything goes.

I am not Serbian, nor nationalist, just in favour of protecting and preserving European boundaries, treaties and agreements which have been put in force over many years.

How would you in 'Frisco' feel about things if an outside nation/ body chose to just give away 15% of US territory? Or would you care?

Kate

pre 16 godina

KS: "Serbia would not allow talks between [Rep of] Serbia and [Rep of] Kosova because that implies recognition --- even though the talks would be technical, such as pensions, the missing, etc."

Incorrect. The talks would not be between 2 republics. They would be betten the state of Serbia and its province of Kosovo. The internationals would no doubt phrase it as the government of Kosovo to keep all parties happy.

roberto

pre 16 godina

Kate -- if anything you are consistent -- or dogged -- depending on one's POV. but ultimately these nationalist rants are meaningless except to inflame people. you have great popularity on this site, and with B92, that is clear -- but when it comes to morality that is a horse of a different color. so sad...

roberto from frisco

johny

pre 16 godina

"No. 13, john, your eddited Uebermensch theory - sucks. Are you implying that Obama is a WASP, or he is not going to be elected? Now, now!
(Logic, 13 April 2008 01:17) "

If you read slowly, nowhere in my post I imply anything. However if Obama is to be elected he has to win the vote of the white folk here in the USA. The white people here constitute the majority of the population and the majority of the white people are from anglo-saxon and germanic ancestry.
By the way Obama has my vote if he is the democratic candidate, which I hope he will.

Rocky London UK

pre 16 godina

Ban ki mun you are so funny people, do you really think that he can do something hehehe.
Do you really think, that we care who is Ban ki mun.

Logic

pre 16 godina

No. 13, john, your eddited Uebermensch theory - sucks. Are you implying that Obama is a WASP, or he is not going to be elected? Now, now!

KS

pre 16 godina

Serbia would not allow talks between [Rep of] Serbia and [Rep of] Kosova because that implies recognition --- even though the talks would be technical, such as pensions, the missing, etc.

Talks about the status, that's an LOL.

johny

pre 16 godina

I'll buy a round to every Serb here if that happens. The reason it will not happen and this so easy to see if you're not a Serb blinded by nationalism is that yes Ban might win the Russian vote for that but he will instantly lose the US, French and UK vote in an instant. And readingn some of your comments, it is harder to get re-elected if you lose 3 votes than if u lose one vote. So what's the point. The Serbs need to get a chill pill and not get enthusiastic out of every joke coming from the Russians. However bitter it might be for the Serbs you should at least be able to recognize that this world is run by Anglo-saxons, the French and Germanic peoples. The rest, including the slav peoples are just supporting actors at best. Spare me the comments about how bad the economy is or how every empire falls.

JohnBoy

pre 16 godina

The world just doesn't accept your mafia pseudo-state. You want to see something funny, wait for the so-called "donor's" (welfare) conference to witness the pithy generosity of the us and eu. The IMF is not going to give away serious money to suspected drug warlords. haha.
The future holds partition; I just hope the Serbs are smart enough to demand Republika Srpska and enormous monetary reparations from the us for illegally attempting to dismember the Serbian state in return.

Logic

pre 16 godina

Dioskvuri, all one can see from your lenghty posting is your strangely twisted view on Worlds geography and, sadly, some historical facts. Not to go into too many details regarding destiny of some greatest military powers - and huge appetites as well, I want to remind you of Hitler (memory not so remote from albanian hearts and history) and his destiny. Turkey, the 4th military power in Europe and precize instructions... with a general of Albanian origin...Makes me shudder when I remember what happened to Otoman Empire. But if this is going to far into past, then tell me, what happend to Tito's army, 3rd in the Europe? But if you are reffering to the large numbers of Albanians living all over the world, getting up in arms like suicide terrorists, yes, that is possible. I remember that Albanian family in their new country, delivering pizza to New Jersey military base of your American friends, repaying hospitality and opportunity for the bright future with bombs. And you know,advocating terror, destruction and evel is goutright self destructive too; there is not such a thing as eternal life.

Ruben

pre 16 godina

Funny how Serbs buy every Russian joke. If the Russians were serious about preventing Kosova's independence they would brought their troops in the Balkans.
This is just showing to the Serbs that yes they did smth to help.
Of course, the negotiations cost money and the Russians will have to cough it now, however they have plenty especially with the price they bought the Serbian assets.

BalkanUpdate

pre 16 godina

UN mediates between sovereign countries all the time, so this is not a big deal. But any attempt to open talks about the status of Kosovo will be blocked by the U.S.

George

pre 16 godina

Dioskvuri:

You say:
"[Albania]...It's the only country in the world that borders with its own ethnicity."

Correction: they are many countries in the same situation, e.g. in Europe. For example, my country (Romania) has Moldavia Republic in North-East (the Romanian majority there is part of Romanian people) and Bukovina in North - also former Romanian province, now part of Ukraine after being stolen by USSR in 1940, together with Moldavia, through the Ribentropp-Molotov Agreement.

My understanding of your post is that every country should (seek to) include all members of the country "main" ethnicity. If this would be possible (although it is not, as you may see from my example) then there would be no minorities whatsoever, in every country! But for that, the surface of Earth should grow couple times, in order to satisfy each population looking for a Great Albania, Great Greece, Great Hungary, Great Romania, etc.!

I am disappointed to see that among K/Albanians are people who espouse such ideas, which are nonsense and actually are going against the idea of an united, developed and flourishing Europe, a common place for everybody.

Dragan

pre 16 godina

This is proof that the American/German 'greater albaina project' has failed miserably. The anti-Serb hate mongers in the US State Department like Nicholas Burns must be very, very frustrated that only 36 countries have recognized their fake, illegal, and immoral NATO puppet state. :)

Reality must be sinking in to these colonists. They will soon have to tell the albanians the truth, that Kosovo is Serbia.
Cheers!

Dioskvuri

pre 16 godina

These negotiations will serve just to appease Serbia and let the reform continue in Kosovo without troubles every single week. Who thinks that the 30 most powerful countries in the world will "revert" their decision taken in unison for the right historical and cultural reasons of the reality of Kosova is mistaken. Even if the political landscape in Europe changes dramatically, for example Sarkozy leaves office, Merkel leaves office, Bush leaves office, Milibrand leaves office etc etc etc there's no way they will revert decisions. It will stem a full fledged conflict that might lead to a 3rd world war. Albanians in Kosova, Albanians in Albania and those in Macedonia are more organized then ever. There are millions of Albanians leaving in Turkey and one of their supreme generals is of Albanian origins. Millions living in Italy and Switzerland, 150,000-200,000 in Germany and almost 1.3 million in the Us north hemisphere. If only 10-20% of those will take up arms along with the hundreds of thousands in the Balkans it's enough to form a military power that will be equal to if not bigger in number then old Yugoslavias. Albanians will never give up especially now. They will prefer to die and dissapear from this world rather then be toys of UN and Russian pressure. Turkey is instructed to take all necessary actions to prevent any disruption of the Status Quo, and Turkey is the 4th Military power in Europe. If they had just one Nuclear Weapon they would be on the Permanent Security Council Seat.

People need to move on with their lives. The maximum that I see out of it is the "partition" of Kosova, which Dr. Zoran Djindjic proposed but the Serbs killed him. At the time Albanians which were unorganized were willing to partition because they wanted just independence after hundred year of brutal rule. Now that the key negotiator was killed, and he was Serbian there's the proof that Serbs will never stop.

What happened to Albania after the Conference of London of 1913 is a shame. It's the only country in the world that borders with its own ethnicity. North with Kosova and Plave-Gucia Ulqini of Montenegro. East with Western Macedonia, which is all Albanian, south with Cameria and South Epirus which is in majority of Albanian heritage all the way down to Preveza. There's no country in the world that had the same fate. While Serbia gathered 6 republics and formed an empire in 60 years with different ethnicities, Albanians weren't even allowed half of their people and land to be part of the newly formed state.

Looking back in historical perspective when Albania declared independence in 1912 was in much much much worse shape then Kosova, and look where it is now, a full member of NATO and soon EU. For Kosova I see the brightest future of the Balkans.

vencor

pre 16 godina

Turkey is the 4th Military power in Europe. If they had just one Nuclear Weapon they would be on the Permanent Security Council Seat. -
Definitely, if it was a 20 member Security council...

There are at least 19 to 25 more powerful militaries around the world than good old Turkish....with or W/O any atom bombs!

Remember the Kurds, didn't they kicked sometimes back?

ZK UK

pre 16 godina

Looks like the celebrations are over and reality is starting to kick in.

The only possible solution is more than autonomy but less than independence. It is more than the Albanians have now and ever will but that all depends on their US masters.

Serbia has no interest in ruling the Albanians and never could, just like the Albanians will never rule the Serbians.

A message to bganon: In Montenegro, cigarette smugglers become president with the blessing of the US/EU. In the province of Kosovo, terrorists and criminals become president of illegal puppet entities with the blessing US. Did you have a point about Milosevic?

Lets talk about election interference. What were Otpor doing in the Ukraine? Why is the US/EU constantly meddling in Serbian elections? The simple fact is the US will do anything and everything to get their puppets into power in every region of interest, and that includes bombing nations back to the stone age.

Milosevic is no saint but under the circumstances I applaud him for not bowing to the evil of this world. I read his court transcripts during his trial and there was nothing there. In fact, he often made a fool of people giving evidence.

It is Germany and the US who are largely responsible for the conflicts in the Balkans and Serbia now has an opportunity to put things right.

Kate

pre 16 godina

What's this? Just yesterday the US was saying that no 'foreign' countries were entitled to hold elections on Kosovo's 'sovereign' territory. It seems that they didn't read the rule book or look up the definition of a sovereign nation.

A UDI recognised by a small number of countries, no matter which countries they are, does not make for a sovereign nation. Kosovo is still legally part of Serbia, as outlined in UNSCR 1244, and Serbia is entitled to hold both parliamentary and local elections on its soil.

Now we see that status negotiations are due to reopen due to the glaring fact that nothing can be signed and sealed without Serbia on board. Otherwise there will never be a way forward.

It seems that there is still some sanity prevailing within international law and the international community. The US and few European nations so keen to close this matter are discovering that you can't just grab 15% of a country's land and give it to a mono-ethnic group.

I don't see any of the new Kosovo flags being waved - it's all Albanian flags. The flag of another nation.

While they carry out their investigation into the heavy-handed treatment of the court workers, they can also start a proper investigation into the disgusting murder and sale of body organs by the KLA.

Even the US may be waking up to a few facts about who they have been supporting. Or rather, if they already knew, it makes them look extremely bad now it's all coming to light.

I'm very happy to hear that talks may now be resumed to reach a proper negotiated settlement.

venucor

pre 16 godina

Though doubtful it would achieve anything, W/O the co-operation of NATO/EU, nevertheless a step in the right direction...!

The real problem is that the UN itself is just a doll in Pentagon's hands...;

Kate

pre 16 godina

What's this? Just yesterday the US was saying that no 'foreign' countries were entitled to hold elections on Kosovo's 'sovereign' territory. It seems that they didn't read the rule book or look up the definition of a sovereign nation.

A UDI recognised by a small number of countries, no matter which countries they are, does not make for a sovereign nation. Kosovo is still legally part of Serbia, as outlined in UNSCR 1244, and Serbia is entitled to hold both parliamentary and local elections on its soil.

Now we see that status negotiations are due to reopen due to the glaring fact that nothing can be signed and sealed without Serbia on board. Otherwise there will never be a way forward.

It seems that there is still some sanity prevailing within international law and the international community. The US and few European nations so keen to close this matter are discovering that you can't just grab 15% of a country's land and give it to a mono-ethnic group.

I don't see any of the new Kosovo flags being waved - it's all Albanian flags. The flag of another nation.

While they carry out their investigation into the heavy-handed treatment of the court workers, they can also start a proper investigation into the disgusting murder and sale of body organs by the KLA.

Even the US may be waking up to a few facts about who they have been supporting. Or rather, if they already knew, it makes them look extremely bad now it's all coming to light.

I'm very happy to hear that talks may now be resumed to reach a proper negotiated settlement.

ZK UK

pre 16 godina

Looks like the celebrations are over and reality is starting to kick in.

The only possible solution is more than autonomy but less than independence. It is more than the Albanians have now and ever will but that all depends on their US masters.

Serbia has no interest in ruling the Albanians and never could, just like the Albanians will never rule the Serbians.

A message to bganon: In Montenegro, cigarette smugglers become president with the blessing of the US/EU. In the province of Kosovo, terrorists and criminals become president of illegal puppet entities with the blessing US. Did you have a point about Milosevic?

Lets talk about election interference. What were Otpor doing in the Ukraine? Why is the US/EU constantly meddling in Serbian elections? The simple fact is the US will do anything and everything to get their puppets into power in every region of interest, and that includes bombing nations back to the stone age.

Milosevic is no saint but under the circumstances I applaud him for not bowing to the evil of this world. I read his court transcripts during his trial and there was nothing there. In fact, he often made a fool of people giving evidence.

It is Germany and the US who are largely responsible for the conflicts in the Balkans and Serbia now has an opportunity to put things right.

Dragan

pre 16 godina

This is proof that the American/German 'greater albaina project' has failed miserably. The anti-Serb hate mongers in the US State Department like Nicholas Burns must be very, very frustrated that only 36 countries have recognized their fake, illegal, and immoral NATO puppet state. :)

Reality must be sinking in to these colonists. They will soon have to tell the albanians the truth, that Kosovo is Serbia.
Cheers!

George

pre 16 godina

Dioskvuri:

You say:
"[Albania]...It's the only country in the world that borders with its own ethnicity."

Correction: they are many countries in the same situation, e.g. in Europe. For example, my country (Romania) has Moldavia Republic in North-East (the Romanian majority there is part of Romanian people) and Bukovina in North - also former Romanian province, now part of Ukraine after being stolen by USSR in 1940, together with Moldavia, through the Ribentropp-Molotov Agreement.

My understanding of your post is that every country should (seek to) include all members of the country "main" ethnicity. If this would be possible (although it is not, as you may see from my example) then there would be no minorities whatsoever, in every country! But for that, the surface of Earth should grow couple times, in order to satisfy each population looking for a Great Albania, Great Greece, Great Hungary, Great Romania, etc.!

I am disappointed to see that among K/Albanians are people who espouse such ideas, which are nonsense and actually are going against the idea of an united, developed and flourishing Europe, a common place for everybody.

Dioskvuri

pre 16 godina

These negotiations will serve just to appease Serbia and let the reform continue in Kosovo without troubles every single week. Who thinks that the 30 most powerful countries in the world will "revert" their decision taken in unison for the right historical and cultural reasons of the reality of Kosova is mistaken. Even if the political landscape in Europe changes dramatically, for example Sarkozy leaves office, Merkel leaves office, Bush leaves office, Milibrand leaves office etc etc etc there's no way they will revert decisions. It will stem a full fledged conflict that might lead to a 3rd world war. Albanians in Kosova, Albanians in Albania and those in Macedonia are more organized then ever. There are millions of Albanians leaving in Turkey and one of their supreme generals is of Albanian origins. Millions living in Italy and Switzerland, 150,000-200,000 in Germany and almost 1.3 million in the Us north hemisphere. If only 10-20% of those will take up arms along with the hundreds of thousands in the Balkans it's enough to form a military power that will be equal to if not bigger in number then old Yugoslavias. Albanians will never give up especially now. They will prefer to die and dissapear from this world rather then be toys of UN and Russian pressure. Turkey is instructed to take all necessary actions to prevent any disruption of the Status Quo, and Turkey is the 4th Military power in Europe. If they had just one Nuclear Weapon they would be on the Permanent Security Council Seat.

People need to move on with their lives. The maximum that I see out of it is the "partition" of Kosova, which Dr. Zoran Djindjic proposed but the Serbs killed him. At the time Albanians which were unorganized were willing to partition because they wanted just independence after hundred year of brutal rule. Now that the key negotiator was killed, and he was Serbian there's the proof that Serbs will never stop.

What happened to Albania after the Conference of London of 1913 is a shame. It's the only country in the world that borders with its own ethnicity. North with Kosova and Plave-Gucia Ulqini of Montenegro. East with Western Macedonia, which is all Albanian, south with Cameria and South Epirus which is in majority of Albanian heritage all the way down to Preveza. There's no country in the world that had the same fate. While Serbia gathered 6 republics and formed an empire in 60 years with different ethnicities, Albanians weren't even allowed half of their people and land to be part of the newly formed state.

Looking back in historical perspective when Albania declared independence in 1912 was in much much much worse shape then Kosova, and look where it is now, a full member of NATO and soon EU. For Kosova I see the brightest future of the Balkans.

JohnBoy

pre 16 godina

The world just doesn't accept your mafia pseudo-state. You want to see something funny, wait for the so-called "donor's" (welfare) conference to witness the pithy generosity of the us and eu. The IMF is not going to give away serious money to suspected drug warlords. haha.
The future holds partition; I just hope the Serbs are smart enough to demand Republika Srpska and enormous monetary reparations from the us for illegally attempting to dismember the Serbian state in return.

Logic

pre 16 godina

Dioskvuri, all one can see from your lenghty posting is your strangely twisted view on Worlds geography and, sadly, some historical facts. Not to go into too many details regarding destiny of some greatest military powers - and huge appetites as well, I want to remind you of Hitler (memory not so remote from albanian hearts and history) and his destiny. Turkey, the 4th military power in Europe and precize instructions... with a general of Albanian origin...Makes me shudder when I remember what happened to Otoman Empire. But if this is going to far into past, then tell me, what happend to Tito's army, 3rd in the Europe? But if you are reffering to the large numbers of Albanians living all over the world, getting up in arms like suicide terrorists, yes, that is possible. I remember that Albanian family in their new country, delivering pizza to New Jersey military base of your American friends, repaying hospitality and opportunity for the bright future with bombs. And you know,advocating terror, destruction and evel is goutright self destructive too; there is not such a thing as eternal life.

venucor

pre 16 godina

Though doubtful it would achieve anything, W/O the co-operation of NATO/EU, nevertheless a step in the right direction...!

The real problem is that the UN itself is just a doll in Pentagon's hands...;

johny

pre 16 godina

I'll buy a round to every Serb here if that happens. The reason it will not happen and this so easy to see if you're not a Serb blinded by nationalism is that yes Ban might win the Russian vote for that but he will instantly lose the US, French and UK vote in an instant. And readingn some of your comments, it is harder to get re-elected if you lose 3 votes than if u lose one vote. So what's the point. The Serbs need to get a chill pill and not get enthusiastic out of every joke coming from the Russians. However bitter it might be for the Serbs you should at least be able to recognize that this world is run by Anglo-saxons, the French and Germanic peoples. The rest, including the slav peoples are just supporting actors at best. Spare me the comments about how bad the economy is or how every empire falls.

Ruben

pre 16 godina

Funny how Serbs buy every Russian joke. If the Russians were serious about preventing Kosova's independence they would brought their troops in the Balkans.
This is just showing to the Serbs that yes they did smth to help.
Of course, the negotiations cost money and the Russians will have to cough it now, however they have plenty especially with the price they bought the Serbian assets.

BalkanUpdate

pre 16 godina

UN mediates between sovereign countries all the time, so this is not a big deal. But any attempt to open talks about the status of Kosovo will be blocked by the U.S.

vencor

pre 16 godina

Turkey is the 4th Military power in Europe. If they had just one Nuclear Weapon they would be on the Permanent Security Council Seat. -
Definitely, if it was a 20 member Security council...

There are at least 19 to 25 more powerful militaries around the world than good old Turkish....with or W/O any atom bombs!

Remember the Kurds, didn't they kicked sometimes back?

Kate

pre 16 godina

Roberto - How sad that you think an argument in favour of protecting international law and agreements is a 'nationalist rant'. But I can't blame you, given the current climate of anything goes.

I am not Serbian, nor nationalist, just in favour of protecting and preserving European boundaries, treaties and agreements which have been put in force over many years.

How would you in 'Frisco' feel about things if an outside nation/ body chose to just give away 15% of US territory? Or would you care?

Kate

pre 16 godina

KS: "Serbia would not allow talks between [Rep of] Serbia and [Rep of] Kosova because that implies recognition --- even though the talks would be technical, such as pensions, the missing, etc."

Incorrect. The talks would not be between 2 republics. They would be betten the state of Serbia and its province of Kosovo. The internationals would no doubt phrase it as the government of Kosovo to keep all parties happy.

Rocky London UK

pre 16 godina

Ban ki mun you are so funny people, do you really think that he can do something hehehe.
Do you really think, that we care who is Ban ki mun.

italy

pre 16 godina

I am really confused by good will and grammatical errors of certain comment-writers here, who write Anglo-Saxons with capital letters and "slav peoples" do not enter in that grammatical rule. About the statement who rules over whom, I would not comment. Further, Serbs are not nationalists when they declare that Kosovo is part of Serbia, but patriotic.

Logic

pre 16 godina

No. 13, john, your eddited Uebermensch theory - sucks. Are you implying that Obama is a WASP, or he is not going to be elected? Now, now!

italy

pre 16 godina

Sorry "johnny", you are reverting statements, which is the first sign of a fascist when he intends to escape civil confrontation in a democratic society. What on earth do you know about Russia, Serbia and other "SLAVIC" countries "generally" and particularly?

KS

pre 16 godina

Serbia would not allow talks between [Rep of] Serbia and [Rep of] Kosova because that implies recognition --- even though the talks would be technical, such as pensions, the missing, etc.

Talks about the status, that's an LOL.

roberto

pre 16 godina

Kate -- if anything you are consistent -- or dogged -- depending on one's POV. but ultimately these nationalist rants are meaningless except to inflame people. you have great popularity on this site, and with B92, that is clear -- but when it comes to morality that is a horse of a different color. so sad...

roberto from frisco

PRN

pre 16 godina

Dear all,

I am for negotiations. Albanians and Serbs should be reconciled, the earlier the better...

Naturally negotiations will take under Kosovo and Serbia's flag, side by side, ...on the table being present Thaci vs Kostunica or Sejdiui vs Tadic...

There are alot of discussions that need to take place...economy, finance, trade, return of pensions, minority rights from each side of the border...and finally...plans how to open embassies in respective capitals....

Howover NOT about the status...Albanian CANNOT afford the luxury of giving up world's biggest powers' recognition for some type of autonomy...we are not so "clever" to do that...

Cheers

veki

pre 16 godina

I am so sick with this letters written by albanians who think they should scare everybody with how brutal albanians are if something isn't going on their way.Numbers go crazy and evil comments reach the sky.
This makes such a rotten impression because it confirms every stereotype about them.
OK, albanian guys lets see how great is your kosovo country going to become' very soon in the future'.Not even billions of dollars can buy the peace of mind, decency and culture. If you get ever get the billions... There is a lots of wishful thinking going on in albanian heads, they think building a state happens just like that, not much experience there obviously.

johny

pre 16 godina

Kate you are only wearing the clothes of a moderate. Or to say it better your mind is telling you that you are a moderate.

I will be very honest with you. If any country oppresses kills, and ethnically cleanses a part of its citizens in an organized institutional manner than the rest of the world should divide that country apart. Its as simple as that. No matter who was in the government at that time.
That principle is what ended colonialism.

As to our friend from Italy, I have no problem with SLAVS in general. You can't put every SLAVIC country in the same bag as Serbia and Russia. As a matter of fact there are plenty of SLAVIC countries that have suffered from these two countries. You can see whatever you want but I don't have a problem with them.

Petr/Prague

pre 16 godina

Negotiations are the only way to stable solution of Kosovo and Metohija question. OK, UN are not the most powerfull subject in the world at least during the Bush's presidency but still their vouce is important. Time plays for Serbs I believe.Regardless of Johny's oldfashin Pangermanic dreams.

johny

pre 16 godina

"No. 13, john, your eddited Uebermensch theory - sucks. Are you implying that Obama is a WASP, or he is not going to be elected? Now, now!
(Logic, 13 April 2008 01:17) "

If you read slowly, nowhere in my post I imply anything. However if Obama is to be elected he has to win the vote of the white folk here in the USA. The white people here constitute the majority of the population and the majority of the white people are from anglo-saxon and germanic ancestry.
By the way Obama has my vote if he is the democratic candidate, which I hope he will.

American

pre 16 godina

This is very good news. Are you folks paying attention to this "Russia is asking for a longer UNMIK, that's all"..Nothing else. We have had a few meetings with the Russian Ambassador and we have agreed that Independence has been declared, and recognized. Russians acknowledge this fact as well. These are some good points to give Serbia's Pro-European Parties some validity for the effort. After all, Serbia has one choice: Europe.
Mr.Ban has said a lot of things. There is nothing going to change. As for "Time" newspaper, this article will increase its share for 1.1%. Time are entrepreneurs. I like it.
Fundamentally, Kosovo is sovereign and independent.

Ment

pre 16 godina

If these talks do indeed go through (and that's a BIG if), the best Serbia could achieve is a confederation with Kosovo.

The Serb posters here should not hold their breath for anything more.

In the mean time, the Serb political establishment might do well to change its slogan to "Kosovo and Serbia" rather than "Kosovo is Serbia" if they ever hope to achieve anything from any possible negotiations.

Of course, with the SRS in the driver's seat, that's very unlikely to happen...so there you go. More time and effort wasted.

Mark Green

pre 16 godina

Looks like the celebrations are over and reality is starting to kick in.

The only possible solution is more than autonomy but less than independence. It is more than the Albanians have now and ever will but that all depends on their US masters.

Serbia has no interest in ruling the Albanians and never could, just like the Albanians will never rule the Serbians.

If Serbia has no interest in ruling the Kosovo Albanians, then why not let the them be independent. More than autonomy, less than independence, means just enough autonomy so that Serbia never has to intergrate the Kosovo Albanians in Serbian Society isn't that the truth of the matter.
Kosovo says no to autonomy within Serbia.

Dioskvuri

pre 16 godina

These negotiations will serve just to appease Serbia and let the reform continue in Kosovo without troubles every single week. Who thinks that the 30 most powerful countries in the world will "revert" their decision taken in unison for the right historical and cultural reasons of the reality of Kosova is mistaken. Even if the political landscape in Europe changes dramatically, for example Sarkozy leaves office, Merkel leaves office, Bush leaves office, Milibrand leaves office etc etc etc there's no way they will revert decisions. It will stem a full fledged conflict that might lead to a 3rd world war. Albanians in Kosova, Albanians in Albania and those in Macedonia are more organized then ever. There are millions of Albanians leaving in Turkey and one of their supreme generals is of Albanian origins. Millions living in Italy and Switzerland, 150,000-200,000 in Germany and almost 1.3 million in the Us north hemisphere. If only 10-20% of those will take up arms along with the hundreds of thousands in the Balkans it's enough to form a military power that will be equal to if not bigger in number then old Yugoslavias. Albanians will never give up especially now. They will prefer to die and dissapear from this world rather then be toys of UN and Russian pressure. Turkey is instructed to take all necessary actions to prevent any disruption of the Status Quo, and Turkey is the 4th Military power in Europe. If they had just one Nuclear Weapon they would be on the Permanent Security Council Seat.

People need to move on with their lives. The maximum that I see out of it is the "partition" of Kosova, which Dr. Zoran Djindjic proposed but the Serbs killed him. At the time Albanians which were unorganized were willing to partition because they wanted just independence after hundred year of brutal rule. Now that the key negotiator was killed, and he was Serbian there's the proof that Serbs will never stop.

What happened to Albania after the Conference of London of 1913 is a shame. It's the only country in the world that borders with its own ethnicity. North with Kosova and Plave-Gucia Ulqini of Montenegro. East with Western Macedonia, which is all Albanian, south with Cameria and South Epirus which is in majority of Albanian heritage all the way down to Preveza. There's no country in the world that had the same fate. While Serbia gathered 6 republics and formed an empire in 60 years with different ethnicities, Albanians weren't even allowed half of their people and land to be part of the newly formed state.

Looking back in historical perspective when Albania declared independence in 1912 was in much much much worse shape then Kosova, and look where it is now, a full member of NATO and soon EU. For Kosova I see the brightest future of the Balkans.

Ruben

pre 16 godina

Funny how Serbs buy every Russian joke. If the Russians were serious about preventing Kosova's independence they would brought their troops in the Balkans.
This is just showing to the Serbs that yes they did smth to help.
Of course, the negotiations cost money and the Russians will have to cough it now, however they have plenty especially with the price they bought the Serbian assets.

Dragan

pre 16 godina

This is proof that the American/German 'greater albaina project' has failed miserably. The anti-Serb hate mongers in the US State Department like Nicholas Burns must be very, very frustrated that only 36 countries have recognized their fake, illegal, and immoral NATO puppet state. :)

Reality must be sinking in to these colonists. They will soon have to tell the albanians the truth, that Kosovo is Serbia.
Cheers!

George

pre 16 godina

Dioskvuri:

You say:
"[Albania]...It's the only country in the world that borders with its own ethnicity."

Correction: they are many countries in the same situation, e.g. in Europe. For example, my country (Romania) has Moldavia Republic in North-East (the Romanian majority there is part of Romanian people) and Bukovina in North - also former Romanian province, now part of Ukraine after being stolen by USSR in 1940, together with Moldavia, through the Ribentropp-Molotov Agreement.

My understanding of your post is that every country should (seek to) include all members of the country "main" ethnicity. If this would be possible (although it is not, as you may see from my example) then there would be no minorities whatsoever, in every country! But for that, the surface of Earth should grow couple times, in order to satisfy each population looking for a Great Albania, Great Greece, Great Hungary, Great Romania, etc.!

I am disappointed to see that among K/Albanians are people who espouse such ideas, which are nonsense and actually are going against the idea of an united, developed and flourishing Europe, a common place for everybody.

johny

pre 16 godina

I'll buy a round to every Serb here if that happens. The reason it will not happen and this so easy to see if you're not a Serb blinded by nationalism is that yes Ban might win the Russian vote for that but he will instantly lose the US, French and UK vote in an instant. And readingn some of your comments, it is harder to get re-elected if you lose 3 votes than if u lose one vote. So what's the point. The Serbs need to get a chill pill and not get enthusiastic out of every joke coming from the Russians. However bitter it might be for the Serbs you should at least be able to recognize that this world is run by Anglo-saxons, the French and Germanic peoples. The rest, including the slav peoples are just supporting actors at best. Spare me the comments about how bad the economy is or how every empire falls.

JohnBoy

pre 16 godina

The world just doesn't accept your mafia pseudo-state. You want to see something funny, wait for the so-called "donor's" (welfare) conference to witness the pithy generosity of the us and eu. The IMF is not going to give away serious money to suspected drug warlords. haha.
The future holds partition; I just hope the Serbs are smart enough to demand Republika Srpska and enormous monetary reparations from the us for illegally attempting to dismember the Serbian state in return.

Kate

pre 16 godina

What's this? Just yesterday the US was saying that no 'foreign' countries were entitled to hold elections on Kosovo's 'sovereign' territory. It seems that they didn't read the rule book or look up the definition of a sovereign nation.

A UDI recognised by a small number of countries, no matter which countries they are, does not make for a sovereign nation. Kosovo is still legally part of Serbia, as outlined in UNSCR 1244, and Serbia is entitled to hold both parliamentary and local elections on its soil.

Now we see that status negotiations are due to reopen due to the glaring fact that nothing can be signed and sealed without Serbia on board. Otherwise there will never be a way forward.

It seems that there is still some sanity prevailing within international law and the international community. The US and few European nations so keen to close this matter are discovering that you can't just grab 15% of a country's land and give it to a mono-ethnic group.

I don't see any of the new Kosovo flags being waved - it's all Albanian flags. The flag of another nation.

While they carry out their investigation into the heavy-handed treatment of the court workers, they can also start a proper investigation into the disgusting murder and sale of body organs by the KLA.

Even the US may be waking up to a few facts about who they have been supporting. Or rather, if they already knew, it makes them look extremely bad now it's all coming to light.

I'm very happy to hear that talks may now be resumed to reach a proper negotiated settlement.

BalkanUpdate

pre 16 godina

UN mediates between sovereign countries all the time, so this is not a big deal. But any attempt to open talks about the status of Kosovo will be blocked by the U.S.

Logic

pre 16 godina

Dioskvuri, all one can see from your lenghty posting is your strangely twisted view on Worlds geography and, sadly, some historical facts. Not to go into too many details regarding destiny of some greatest military powers - and huge appetites as well, I want to remind you of Hitler (memory not so remote from albanian hearts and history) and his destiny. Turkey, the 4th military power in Europe and precize instructions... with a general of Albanian origin...Makes me shudder when I remember what happened to Otoman Empire. But if this is going to far into past, then tell me, what happend to Tito's army, 3rd in the Europe? But if you are reffering to the large numbers of Albanians living all over the world, getting up in arms like suicide terrorists, yes, that is possible. I remember that Albanian family in their new country, delivering pizza to New Jersey military base of your American friends, repaying hospitality and opportunity for the bright future with bombs. And you know,advocating terror, destruction and evel is goutright self destructive too; there is not such a thing as eternal life.

Rocky London UK

pre 16 godina

Ban ki mun you are so funny people, do you really think that he can do something hehehe.
Do you really think, that we care who is Ban ki mun.

KS

pre 16 godina

Serbia would not allow talks between [Rep of] Serbia and [Rep of] Kosova because that implies recognition --- even though the talks would be technical, such as pensions, the missing, etc.

Talks about the status, that's an LOL.

ZK UK

pre 16 godina

Looks like the celebrations are over and reality is starting to kick in.

The only possible solution is more than autonomy but less than independence. It is more than the Albanians have now and ever will but that all depends on their US masters.

Serbia has no interest in ruling the Albanians and never could, just like the Albanians will never rule the Serbians.

A message to bganon: In Montenegro, cigarette smugglers become president with the blessing of the US/EU. In the province of Kosovo, terrorists and criminals become president of illegal puppet entities with the blessing US. Did you have a point about Milosevic?

Lets talk about election interference. What were Otpor doing in the Ukraine? Why is the US/EU constantly meddling in Serbian elections? The simple fact is the US will do anything and everything to get their puppets into power in every region of interest, and that includes bombing nations back to the stone age.

Milosevic is no saint but under the circumstances I applaud him for not bowing to the evil of this world. I read his court transcripts during his trial and there was nothing there. In fact, he often made a fool of people giving evidence.

It is Germany and the US who are largely responsible for the conflicts in the Balkans and Serbia now has an opportunity to put things right.

venucor

pre 16 godina

Though doubtful it would achieve anything, W/O the co-operation of NATO/EU, nevertheless a step in the right direction...!

The real problem is that the UN itself is just a doll in Pentagon's hands...;

johny

pre 16 godina

"No. 13, john, your eddited Uebermensch theory - sucks. Are you implying that Obama is a WASP, or he is not going to be elected? Now, now!
(Logic, 13 April 2008 01:17) "

If you read slowly, nowhere in my post I imply anything. However if Obama is to be elected he has to win the vote of the white folk here in the USA. The white people here constitute the majority of the population and the majority of the white people are from anglo-saxon and germanic ancestry.
By the way Obama has my vote if he is the democratic candidate, which I hope he will.

roberto

pre 16 godina

Kate -- if anything you are consistent -- or dogged -- depending on one's POV. but ultimately these nationalist rants are meaningless except to inflame people. you have great popularity on this site, and with B92, that is clear -- but when it comes to morality that is a horse of a different color. so sad...

roberto from frisco

italy

pre 16 godina

Sorry "johnny", you are reverting statements, which is the first sign of a fascist when he intends to escape civil confrontation in a democratic society. What on earth do you know about Russia, Serbia and other "SLAVIC" countries "generally" and particularly?

Kate

pre 16 godina

KS: "Serbia would not allow talks between [Rep of] Serbia and [Rep of] Kosova because that implies recognition --- even though the talks would be technical, such as pensions, the missing, etc."

Incorrect. The talks would not be between 2 republics. They would be betten the state of Serbia and its province of Kosovo. The internationals would no doubt phrase it as the government of Kosovo to keep all parties happy.

johny

pre 16 godina

Kate you are only wearing the clothes of a moderate. Or to say it better your mind is telling you that you are a moderate.

I will be very honest with you. If any country oppresses kills, and ethnically cleanses a part of its citizens in an organized institutional manner than the rest of the world should divide that country apart. Its as simple as that. No matter who was in the government at that time.
That principle is what ended colonialism.

As to our friend from Italy, I have no problem with SLAVS in general. You can't put every SLAVIC country in the same bag as Serbia and Russia. As a matter of fact there are plenty of SLAVIC countries that have suffered from these two countries. You can see whatever you want but I don't have a problem with them.

American

pre 16 godina

This is very good news. Are you folks paying attention to this "Russia is asking for a longer UNMIK, that's all"..Nothing else. We have had a few meetings with the Russian Ambassador and we have agreed that Independence has been declared, and recognized. Russians acknowledge this fact as well. These are some good points to give Serbia's Pro-European Parties some validity for the effort. After all, Serbia has one choice: Europe.
Mr.Ban has said a lot of things. There is nothing going to change. As for "Time" newspaper, this article will increase its share for 1.1%. Time are entrepreneurs. I like it.
Fundamentally, Kosovo is sovereign and independent.

PRN

pre 16 godina

Dear all,

I am for negotiations. Albanians and Serbs should be reconciled, the earlier the better...

Naturally negotiations will take under Kosovo and Serbia's flag, side by side, ...on the table being present Thaci vs Kostunica or Sejdiui vs Tadic...

There are alot of discussions that need to take place...economy, finance, trade, return of pensions, minority rights from each side of the border...and finally...plans how to open embassies in respective capitals....

Howover NOT about the status...Albanian CANNOT afford the luxury of giving up world's biggest powers' recognition for some type of autonomy...we are not so "clever" to do that...

Cheers

vencor

pre 16 godina

Turkey is the 4th Military power in Europe. If they had just one Nuclear Weapon they would be on the Permanent Security Council Seat. -
Definitely, if it was a 20 member Security council...

There are at least 19 to 25 more powerful militaries around the world than good old Turkish....with or W/O any atom bombs!

Remember the Kurds, didn't they kicked sometimes back?

Kate

pre 16 godina

Roberto - How sad that you think an argument in favour of protecting international law and agreements is a 'nationalist rant'. But I can't blame you, given the current climate of anything goes.

I am not Serbian, nor nationalist, just in favour of protecting and preserving European boundaries, treaties and agreements which have been put in force over many years.

How would you in 'Frisco' feel about things if an outside nation/ body chose to just give away 15% of US territory? Or would you care?

italy

pre 16 godina

I am really confused by good will and grammatical errors of certain comment-writers here, who write Anglo-Saxons with capital letters and "slav peoples" do not enter in that grammatical rule. About the statement who rules over whom, I would not comment. Further, Serbs are not nationalists when they declare that Kosovo is part of Serbia, but patriotic.

Logic

pre 16 godina

No. 13, john, your eddited Uebermensch theory - sucks. Are you implying that Obama is a WASP, or he is not going to be elected? Now, now!

veki

pre 16 godina

I am so sick with this letters written by albanians who think they should scare everybody with how brutal albanians are if something isn't going on their way.Numbers go crazy and evil comments reach the sky.
This makes such a rotten impression because it confirms every stereotype about them.
OK, albanian guys lets see how great is your kosovo country going to become' very soon in the future'.Not even billions of dollars can buy the peace of mind, decency and culture. If you get ever get the billions... There is a lots of wishful thinking going on in albanian heads, they think building a state happens just like that, not much experience there obviously.

Petr/Prague

pre 16 godina

Negotiations are the only way to stable solution of Kosovo and Metohija question. OK, UN are not the most powerfull subject in the world at least during the Bush's presidency but still their vouce is important. Time plays for Serbs I believe.Regardless of Johny's oldfashin Pangermanic dreams.

Ment

pre 16 godina

If these talks do indeed go through (and that's a BIG if), the best Serbia could achieve is a confederation with Kosovo.

The Serb posters here should not hold their breath for anything more.

In the mean time, the Serb political establishment might do well to change its slogan to "Kosovo and Serbia" rather than "Kosovo is Serbia" if they ever hope to achieve anything from any possible negotiations.

Of course, with the SRS in the driver's seat, that's very unlikely to happen...so there you go. More time and effort wasted.

Mark Green

pre 16 godina

Looks like the celebrations are over and reality is starting to kick in.

The only possible solution is more than autonomy but less than independence. It is more than the Albanians have now and ever will but that all depends on their US masters.

Serbia has no interest in ruling the Albanians and never could, just like the Albanians will never rule the Serbians.

If Serbia has no interest in ruling the Kosovo Albanians, then why not let the them be independent. More than autonomy, less than independence, means just enough autonomy so that Serbia never has to intergrate the Kosovo Albanians in Serbian Society isn't that the truth of the matter.
Kosovo says no to autonomy within Serbia.