Tadić to sign SAA, if offered

So tell me all you Tadic supporters, why is signing the SAA so important?

With Solana pushing it through and being the first to visit Kosovo and Thaci after the illegal UDI, are you not a little suspicious? Do you not believe it will give the green light to the EU mission?

It is very obvious to me the EU desperately need a Serbian signature to jusitfy Kosovo a European issue and it is no secret that most EU nations are in favour of independence.

As far as I'm concerned, if Tadic signs he is a traitor. Wake up DS supports and smell the coffee!

Mr Tadic, the government has collapsed because it didn't have the agreement over the signing of the SAA. Stop talking rubbish like your friends from the West.

"what alternatives does the country have?"

The same as any other non-borg-hive country in the world (there is a whole world outside Festung €Uropa´s walls you know) and certainly as Switserland and Norway, two prospering free non-€U countries.

Besides, with friends like f.ex Russia China Venezuela India, with whom we can trade and cooperate, who needs to be Anschlussed to the backward neo-colonial €U?

This guy can send any western hypocrite back to elementary school.

Mircea, it wouldn't be the first time that Serbia is on one side while virtually all her neighbours are on the other. It happened before, remember Nazi Union or Austrian-Hungarian Union or Ottoman Union or... The list of past unions goes on and on and there's only one constant between them, Serbia has always been on the just side, the side of light, and she's never been on the dark side. Events over the past 20 years are no exception and one day the whole world shall acknowledge that. There shall be many in the world saying sorry to Serbia and her people.

bganon,

Since not being able to obtain UN (or international) support for Kosovo's independence, the U$ and servants are attempting to engineered this as an €U issue. As you know, most €U members support independence, however, without Serbia on board it is still a UN (international) issue. If Serbia was to sign the SAA, the €U can justifyably argue its case and confirm Kosovo to be an EU issue. It will act as a letter of intent.

Since all members have approved the EU force, they will simply argue that Serbia must follow suit as it would be a membership requirement anyway. Without a Serbian signature the legal basis for the EU mission is flawed and with one, the person signing is effectively selling Kosovo.

Remember, as soon as Tadic was confirmed president, one day later the EU force was approved. Now that is no accident but I'm sure they were not expecting another election so soon and this is the only escape route for Serbia.

As for Milosevic, I was supporting the Serbian people and leaders throughout the former YU and with a strong US/Germany working against us. I think they did a good job under difficult circumstances. The Serbian people suffered not because of Milosevic but because he didn't sell our soul to the evil of the world. Now with a resurging Russia and emerging China, India, Brazil and all our other friends, we can finally put things right.

The world has changed since the 90s, in case you haven't noticed.

It would be a remarkable sight to see Solana and other EU leaders prostrate themselves before tiny Serbia to plead for Serbia’s signature on the SAA.

This will infuriate the Croats and Turks who have for years have begged for EU entry.

Voters in Serbia are considering those important issues, and will make their decision and give their oppinion in a month. In a meantime, government should take care of everyday's bussiness, keep the schools open and hospitals running, and leave all important decision for the government that will be formed after the elections. That government will have a mandate to make all the important decisions they were entrusted by voters to make.

Michael Thomas, Serbia will not become an EU member state by simply signing the SAA. Firstly, Serbia has to be declared a candidate country, then Serbia has to start accession negotiations which have to be completed successfully. Then, Serbia has to sign the Accession Treaty which has to be ratified by all the EU member states as well as by the Serbian parliament. It is a long and difficult process.

ZK UK, if Serbia does not join the EU, what alternatives does the country have?-
Many, in case somebody realizes it -

1. Staying independent and not being bound by EU rules and regulations.
2. Having the options of getting investments from all over the world, instead of just from EU countries, half of which are in any case in recession and /or experiencing serious problems of their own...

And above all, not loosing Kosovo...!

Serbs, the choice for you is clear, having made wrong choice last time, please, for tour own sake, aviod it this time at least...!

ZK I have a question for you, a couple of days didn't you claim that signing of the SAA means the sale of Kosovo?
Explain.

Signing of the SAA is important because it will give some extra votes to Tadic, its simple. Additionally it makes Kostunica look a little stupid because he is supposed to be for EU integration. In the future once the Kosovo issue isn't so hot, this fact will be embarassing for his European credentials. Remember Kostunica repeated a number of times with some pride that he signed the feasability study with the EU.

Kostunica on the other hand now believes that by taking a anti EU stance will gain him votes. You don't have to be a philosopher to understand this.

Traitors and patriots... Aghhh it reminds me of the good ol' days of Milosevic. Did you support him ZK? Be honest if you did.

ZK UK, if Serbia does not join the EU, what alternatives does the country have? Keep in mind that all of Serbia's neighbours will join the EU. Croatia and Macedonia are candidate countries, Montenegro and Albania have signed the SAA. Bosnia will also sign the SAA soon. I think Serbia cannot afford to remain outside the EU since the country does not have the economic wellbeing of Norway and Switzerland.

This is sign of post-election coalitions dealed in pre-election phase!!!

ZK your theory has no legality in practice whatever. Quite the opposite, unless I'm mistaken the SAA mentions resolution 1244. Even without this the document it is not connected to the status of Kosovo. In short signing the SAA will not impact on Kosovo one way or the other.
Neither is there any condition saying that Serbia must sign up to EULEX. These theories don't hold up as facts.

ZK you nicely avoided answering my question on Milosevic, but you gave the game away by saying 'the Serbian people suffered not because of Milosevic'. I'm not surprised that you are against the EU now. You were against them before Kosovo recognition right?

The Serbian people needed support during the 1990's not the regime of the man that was stealing from them. The Serbian people suffered plenty because of Milosevic, if you can't see that by now you must be blind.

And yes I have noticed that the world has changed since the 90's. In Serbia there are fewer refugees, higher wages, higher living standards, higher economic growth, less Serbs killed in wars and so on. In other words Milosevic's legacy is almost over.

bganon

I am an EU citizen but first and foremost I am Serbian and a Serbian citizen.

I am not against the EU but I am against the EU attempting to forcefully dismember Serbia. I will be happy for Serbia to join the EU but only with our province of Kosovo.

Clinton and Blair have attempted to use Milosevic as a scapegoat for all the problems in the former YU. It seems that some people actually believe them.

As for legality, that was yesterday's thing. The law only applies to the opponents of the US, in this case Serbia. As you can see, they are quite happy to break international law by recognising Kosovo but then holding elections in the province is illegal.

A little bit of facts in this forum of "ipothesis"...
-Montenegro signs SAA in 2007, better prognosis for Eu in 2015
-Albania signs SAA In 2006 for Eu
well.. maybe in 2014 (to be optimistic )
-Macedonia signs in 2005 for Eu 2012 only if Greece will not veto
-Croatia i regret for the mistake of an other post but will enter if everything is ok in 2010
-Bosnia...Signs Saa but nobody say when will join Eu..
-Kosovo will be a EU protectorate for at least 10 years ..after we will see..
And then there is Serbia...
SAA ? EU ? Oblast of Russia ?
New Transdniestria ?
Fait votre jeu !!!

The Vlada is technical and cannot put a signature any more. Let us also be sincere, Serbia does not want this contract with EU as long as EU does not officially declare that its member countries were under American pressure to recognise Kosovo and that the recognisition is not in European interest since it violated the international law on whiche EU coexists from 1945. I understand that Albanians do not want to live with "evil" Serbs any more, and that is without any discussion, but it can only be possible today with the partition of Kosovo, because also Serbs do not want to coexist with Albanians.

ZK so if somebody believes allegations that the Milosevic regime organised one of the largest cigarette smuggling rackets in the region, that is somehow to connected to Clinton or Blair? When Sloba attempted to knock off his political opponents or silence criticism of opposition were you happy with that? Did you somehow look at that in the context of Clinton etc?

If Milosevic tried to steal elections you would justify that in terms of being against the west, rather than being for Serbia?
If its similar say for example if Kostunica / Radicals tried to steal this election would you support it because you think that being against the west is more important than the will of the Serbian people?

In short are you more interested in supporting Serbian people or opposing western policy on Serbia?

But I do not understand your point on the EU, truly. If you support Serbian EU integration then you should welcome the signing of the SAA - of course on condition that it doesn't mean signing it obligates Serbia to recognise Kosovo. In such a situation I would oppose signing it also.

Thats why I wonder whether you truly support Serbian integration. In Serbia there is a lot of dishonesty on this point - for example in public the radicals say they support EU integration but in private they rail against it. That doesn't look good on them because it means that they are willing to lie because they think it may get them a few extra votes. Still their supporters know the truth so they won't lose votes with this stance.

ZK your theory has no legality in practice whatever. Quite the opposite, unless I'm mistaken the SAA mentions resolution 1244. Even without this the document it is not connected to the status of Kosovo. In short signing the SAA will not impact on Kosovo one way or the other.
Neither is there any condition saying that Serbia must sign up to EULEX. These theories don't hold up as facts.

ZK you nicely avoided answering my question on Milosevic, but you gave the game away by saying 'the Serbian people suffered not because of Milosevic'. I'm not surprised that you are against the EU now. You were against them before Kosovo recognition right?

The Serbian people needed support during the 1990's not the regime of the man that was stealing from them. The Serbian people suffered plenty because of Milosevic, if you can't see that by now you must be blind.

And yes I have noticed that the world has changed since the 90's. In Serbia there are fewer refugees, higher wages, higher living standards, higher economic growth, less Serbs killed in wars and so on. In other words Milosevic's legacy is almost over.

ZK UK, if Serbia does not join the EU, what alternatives does the country have? Keep in mind that all of Serbia's neighbours will join the EU. Croatia and Macedonia are candidate countries, Montenegro and Albania have signed the SAA. Bosnia will also sign the SAA soon. I think Serbia cannot afford to remain outside the EU since the country does not have the economic wellbeing of Norway and Switzerland.

ZK I have a question for you, a couple of days didn't you claim that signing of the SAA means the sale of Kosovo?
Explain.

Signing of the SAA is important because it will give some extra votes to Tadic, its simple. Additionally it makes Kostunica look a little stupid because he is supposed to be for EU integration. In the future once the Kosovo issue isn't so hot, this fact will be embarassing for his European credentials. Remember Kostunica repeated a number of times with some pride that he signed the feasability study with the EU.

Kostunica on the other hand now believes that by taking a anti EU stance will gain him votes. You don't have to be a philosopher to understand this.

Traitors and patriots... Aghhh it reminds me of the good ol' days of Milosevic. Did you support him ZK? Be honest if you did.

bganon,

Since not being able to obtain UN (or international) support for Kosovo's independence, the U$ and servants are attempting to engineered this as an €U issue. As you know, most €U members support independence, however, without Serbia on board it is still a UN (international) issue. If Serbia was to sign the SAA, the €U can justifyably argue its case and confirm Kosovo to be an EU issue. It will act as a letter of intent.

Since all members have approved the EU force, they will simply argue that Serbia must follow suit as it would be a membership requirement anyway. Without a Serbian signature the legal basis for the EU mission is flawed and with one, the person signing is effectively selling Kosovo.

Remember, as soon as Tadic was confirmed president, one day later the EU force was approved. Now that is no accident but I'm sure they were not expecting another election so soon and this is the only escape route for Serbia.

As for Milosevic, I was supporting the Serbian people and leaders throughout the former YU and with a strong US/Germany working against us. I think they did a good job under difficult circumstances. The Serbian people suffered not because of Milosevic but because he didn't sell our soul to the evil of the world. Now with a resurging Russia and emerging China, India, Brazil and all our other friends, we can finally put things right.

The world has changed since the 90s, in case you haven't noticed.

Michael Thomas, Serbia will not become an EU member state by simply signing the SAA. Firstly, Serbia has to be declared a candidate country, then Serbia has to start accession negotiations which have to be completed successfully. Then, Serbia has to sign the Accession Treaty which has to be ratified by all the EU member states as well as by the Serbian parliament. It is a long and difficult process.

A little bit of facts in this forum of "ipothesis"...
-Montenegro signs SAA in 2007, better prognosis for Eu in 2015
-Albania signs SAA In 2006 for Eu
well.. maybe in 2014 (to be optimistic )
-Macedonia signs in 2005 for Eu 2012 only if Greece will not veto
-Croatia i regret for the mistake of an other post but will enter if everything is ok in 2010
-Bosnia...Signs Saa but nobody say when will join Eu..
-Kosovo will be a EU protectorate for at least 10 years ..after we will see..
And then there is Serbia...
SAA ? EU ? Oblast of Russia ?
New Transdniestria ?
Fait votre jeu !!!

So tell me all you Tadic supporters, why is signing the SAA so important?

With Solana pushing it through and being the first to visit Kosovo and Thaci after the illegal UDI, are you not a little suspicious? Do you not believe it will give the green light to the EU mission?

It is very obvious to me the EU desperately need a Serbian signature to jusitfy Kosovo a European issue and it is no secret that most EU nations are in favour of independence.

As far as I'm concerned, if Tadic signs he is a traitor. Wake up DS supports and smell the coffee!

Mr Tadic, the government has collapsed because it didn't have the agreement over the signing of the SAA. Stop talking rubbish like your friends from the West.

bganon

I am an EU citizen but first and foremost I am Serbian and a Serbian citizen.

I am not against the EU but I am against the EU attempting to forcefully dismember Serbia. I will be happy for Serbia to join the EU but only with our province of Kosovo.

Clinton and Blair have attempted to use Milosevic as a scapegoat for all the problems in the former YU. It seems that some people actually believe them.

As for legality, that was yesterday's thing. The law only applies to the opponents of the US, in this case Serbia. As you can see, they are quite happy to break international law by recognising Kosovo but then holding elections in the province is illegal.

This guy can send any western hypocrite back to elementary school.

It would be a remarkable sight to see Solana and other EU leaders prostrate themselves before tiny Serbia to plead for Serbia’s signature on the SAA.

This will infuriate the Croats and Turks who have for years have begged for EU entry.

"what alternatives does the country have?"

The same as any other non-borg-hive country in the world (there is a whole world outside Festung €Uropa´s walls you know) and certainly as Switserland and Norway, two prospering free non-€U countries.

Besides, with friends like f.ex Russia China Venezuela India, with whom we can trade and cooperate, who needs to be Anschlussed to the backward neo-colonial €U?

This is sign of post-election coalitions dealed in pre-election phase!!!

Voters in Serbia are considering those important issues, and will make their decision and give their oppinion in a month. In a meantime, government should take care of everyday's bussiness, keep the schools open and hospitals running, and leave all important decision for the government that will be formed after the elections. That government will have a mandate to make all the important decisions they were entrusted by voters to make.

Mircea, it wouldn't be the first time that Serbia is on one side while virtually all her neighbours are on the other. It happened before, remember Nazi Union or Austrian-Hungarian Union or Ottoman Union or... The list of past unions goes on and on and there's only one constant between them, Serbia has always been on the just side, the side of light, and she's never been on the dark side. Events over the past 20 years are no exception and one day the whole world shall acknowledge that. There shall be many in the world saying sorry to Serbia and her people.

The Vlada is technical and cannot put a signature any more. Let us also be sincere, Serbia does not want this contract with EU as long as EU does not officially declare that its member countries were under American pressure to recognise Kosovo and that the recognisition is not in European interest since it violated the international law on whiche EU coexists from 1945. I understand that Albanians do not want to live with "evil" Serbs any more, and that is without any discussion, but it can only be possible today with the partition of Kosovo, because also Serbs do not want to coexist with Albanians.

ZK UK, if Serbia does not join the EU, what alternatives does the country have?-
Many, in case somebody realizes it -

1. Staying independent and not being bound by EU rules and regulations.
2. Having the options of getting investments from all over the world, instead of just from EU countries, half of which are in any case in recession and /or experiencing serious problems of their own...

And above all, not loosing Kosovo...!

Serbs, the choice for you is clear, having made wrong choice last time, please, for tour own sake, aviod it this time at least...!

ZK so if somebody believes allegations that the Milosevic regime organised one of the largest cigarette smuggling rackets in the region, that is somehow to connected to Clinton or Blair? When Sloba attempted to knock off his political opponents or silence criticism of opposition were you happy with that? Did you somehow look at that in the context of Clinton etc?

If Milosevic tried to steal elections you would justify that in terms of being against the west, rather than being for Serbia?
If its similar say for example if Kostunica / Radicals tried to steal this election would you support it because you think that being against the west is more important than the will of the Serbian people?

In short are you more interested in supporting Serbian people or opposing western policy on Serbia?

But I do not understand your point on the EU, truly. If you support Serbian EU integration then you should welcome the signing of the SAA - of course on condition that it doesn't mean signing it obligates Serbia to recognise Kosovo. In such a situation I would oppose signing it also.

Thats why I wonder whether you truly support Serbian integration. In Serbia there is a lot of dishonesty on this point - for example in public the radicals say they support EU integration but in private they rail against it. That doesn't look good on them because it means that they are willing to lie because they think it may get them a few extra votes. Still their supporters know the truth so they won't lose votes with this stance.