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Thursday, 10.04.2008.

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Thaci: We have plans for K. Mitrovica

Kosovska Mitrovica will "continue to function as a whole", Hashim Thaci was reported as saying Thursday.

Izvor: B92

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ben

pre 16 godina

#22
(Jan (Amsterdam), 13 April 2008 04:04)

Your 6.2- 1.8 is at the best very important information about the tolerance and the democratic values and achievements of these two societies.

That is that 20% of Albanians in Yugo/Serbia did not had a substantial autonomy (the autonomy was bully abolished as you meticulously mentioned [I guess that's the main reason of posting at 4 a.m. - collecting info],) the Albanian language was never official language in the state, although Albanians were after Serbs and Croatians the third largest nation.

Instead 5% of Serbs in Kosova will enjoy substantial self- ruling, special relations with Serbia, their language IS official in the entire country and the most important all this rights will be GUARANTEED by the international community- not the fake autonomy that K-Albanians had in Yugo/Serbia that you unconsciously but very meticulously emphasized.

Do Kosovars deserve the state? I guess you were to young in 1999 to remember over 800 thousand Kosovars deported (and their personal documents destroyed by the police and army in the border- guess why- I am sure you don’t have that problem with your police when you leave your country, do you Jan?). Add to this the hate (that you can see in many postings by Serbs here) and discrimination they had during the Yugo/Serbia ruling that you diligently remembered, well to me and to the overwhelming part of the consolidated democracies is more than enough for independence, hence they recognized it. And this answers your position of "being" Albanians who live in Serbia. This is the main difference between me and you, Jan, between the democracies and totalitarians.

Unfortunately, Jan I continua to have the same problem with you- you continua to use unreliable sources. Please, consider e.g. Britannica for more thorough studies of the history of the Balkans the origins of the Balkan nations and the political development before and after WW I instead of Serbianna sources- this is for having more consistency in your argumentations- with serbiana your will never achieve that desired effect.

To finish, I wish you a good job with your ‘accountancy’ (Jan 57-"Ben" 12) Jan, but please remember that in the finance world the accountants are knows as being precisely wrong, analysts as approximately right. The choice is up to us Jan- you choose to be accountant.

Cheers

Jan (Amsterdam)

pre 16 godina

""Jan" I would not discuss your "deep" analytical "explanations" for the simple reason they are too comical- a waste of time.

Why I say this? because you miss the point in the first stance 9:1 stands 90% Albanians and 10% others- so what problem do we have??? Will those 5% of Serbs jeopardise our culture and state? :) where is the difference in winning >90% or 100%??? It’s a absolute victory in both cases “Jan”, get it??

"Jan" consider reliable sources (your Minister Sutanovic link above) so you might be taken serious one day.
(ben, 12 April 2008 16:27)"

"Ben",

I have resisted commenting to your reply all day, but eventually I decided to make a few comments. You can stop using "Jan" for I am Jan and not a Serb using a Dutch name to show that Serbia has friends in a Serb-unfriendly country. I have no problem admitting the fact that I misunderstood your 9-1 remark (maybe you were not very clear). Now that it is clear I can make the 6.2-1.8 comment. What is means is that Kosovo Albanians are a clear minority in Serbia. Will that minority use its selfishness jeopordize the stability of The Balkans? I think enough people visiting this website take my comments seriously and so I will never be discouraged by comments from someone like you. The problem I have with you people is that you really do not deserve your own state. You do no have a unique culture and besically you are just Albanians living in Serbia. Just admit that eventually you want to be united with the motherland. You guys (and girls) should have chosen for the best autonomy in the world, but people who want it all will end up with nothing. Next time you should not pretend that you are some kind of intelectual. Also stop blaming Serbs and Serbia for all you so-called missery. Maybe you should read the following "propaganda".

"Starting in 1982 and 1983, in response to nationalist Albanian riots in Kosovo, the Central Committee of the SFRY League of Communists adopted a set of conclusions aimed at centralizing Serbia’s control over law enforcement and the judiciary in its Kosovo and Vojvodina provinces. [37]

In 1986 Serbian president Ivan Stambolic established a commission to amend the Serbian Constitution inkeeping with conclusions adopted by the federal Communist Party. [38]

The constitutional commission worked for three years to harmonize its positions and in 1989 an amended Serbian constitution was submitted to the governments of Kosovo, Vojvodina and Serbia for approval.

On March 10, 1989 the Vojvodina Assembly approved the amendments, followed by the Kosovo Assembly on March 23, and the Serbian Assembly on March 28. [39] [40] [41]

In the Kosovo Assembly 187 of the 190 assembly members were present when the vote was taken: 10 voted against the amendments, two abstained, and the remaining 175 voted in favor of the amendments. [42] [43]

Although the ethnic composition of the Kosovo Assembly was over 70 percent Albanian [44], Kosovo-Albanian nationalists reacted violently to the constitutional amendments. The UPI wire service reported that "unrest began [in Kosovo] when amendments were approved returning to Serbia control over the province's police, courts, national defense and foreign affairs ... mass demonstrations turned into violent street rioting when demonstrators began using firearms against police." According to the report the rioting killed 29 people and injured 30 policemen and 97 civilians. [45]

The changes to the Serbian constitution were approved by the Yugoslav presidency as part of a deal; in return for this approval, Serbian presidency member Borisav Jović and his allies voted in favour of the appointment of former Croatian republic leader Ante Marković to become premier."

You guys were sold out by your own people and by the other Yugoslav Republics (and not just Serbia, but ceratin memories are quite selective). Of course you are probably part of a new and younger generation that is more vunarable for extreme thinking. I will not waste more of my time on you regarding this article, but I look forward to putting you into your place in the future with other articles.
To finish of. The score to date: Jan 57-"Ben" 12.

Steve

pre 16 godina

Mr Thaci - you do well to KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT and hide in the black hole that is Pristina. You have the utter cheek to talk about Law and stability - you better pray your henchmen did a good enough job in covering up all the atrocities you and your cronies had a hand in! Enjoy it while it lasts!

ben

pre 16 godina

"Jan" I would not discuss your "deep" analytical "explanations" for the simple reason they are too comical- a waste of time.

Why I say this? because you miss the point in the first stance 9:1 stands 90% Albanians and 10% others- so what problem do we have??? Will those 5% of Serbs jeopardise our culture and state? :) where is the difference in winning >90% or 100%??? It’s a absolute victory in both cases “Jan”, get it??

"Jan" consider reliable sources (your Minister Sutanovic link above) so you might be taken serious one day.

Mr X

pre 16 godina

I laugh out loud with your thinking. “Thaci is planning a massive Genocide for Serbs in Northern Mitrovica” What a joke.
He talking about integrating everyone in the new country, but wait until EU mission is sent to Kosova and UN leaves. We will see big changes happening. There can be no stability with the current situation, thus Serbs in the northern part of Mitrovica should learn of the new reality, and I am sure they will, sooner or later. Serbia will not wage another war, if they do they will have a civil war inside Serbia. At least one half of the country does not want a war, especially the young crowd. So Serbian police in Northern Mitrovica has no chance of entering. Sorry but that just the reality. Fighting against Kosova is fighting against USA, so it’s a fight no one in the world can win.

Jan (Amsterdam)

pre 16 godina

""I saw your link Jan: how it comes that you take for good the Serbian sources? it must be from the "good glory" days in Srebrenica.

After all, why should Kosova want a conflict IN Kosova???

I mean why should I risk to lose the game in the table when I am winning 9:1 ???? what's the point in provoking the referee when I am winning 9:1??? ;)
(ben, 11 April 2008 15:30)"

"Ben" (I doubt that is your real name, although after 1999 American names must have become more popular (like Bill, Richard, Wesley)),

It seems like you have a problem with me using a good and non-Serbian plus pro-Serbian source and then trying to connect that with Srebrenica is completely absurd. As if I am personally responsible for both.

Kosovo Albanians want a conflict in Kosovo so they can create a 100% pure ethnic state (I do not care what is mentioned in your so-called "constitution", a useless piece of paper written by Eurocrats to keep fooling the world from the true intentions). NATO also wants a conflict, because as long as there are Serbs in Kosovo they can cause "trouble" and NATO does not want any peeping Toms when they will build the anti-missle system at Bondsteel.

You comment on winning 9-1 is almost comical. What have you really won so far? It is 1-0 at best, but in the long run it will be a big defeat. Who is the referee you are referring to? NATO, the EU, the UN? In terms of my used link (and I was not the only one using it), Operation Storm probably did not take place, right? Considering the experiences Serbs have had it is better to be prepared for the worst and let the world know ASAP. In most cases this may actually prevent things from happening. It actually reminds me of an incident posted on the Internet during the 1999 Kosovo air war. NATO needed an excuse to start a ground war and the public opinion in the West was very much against this. Things could turn around with some serious "incident" that had to be created. The Croation AF was painting a jet fighter in Yugoslav AF colors and this plane, flown by a German or American pilot, was supposed to attack a Kosovo Albanian refugee camp inside Albania, hereby creating a reason to start a ground war (that NATO was afraid to start due to high numbers of potential casulties).

It is very hard to distinguish truth from lies and I am trying to follow my feelings and common sense as much as possible. Some of the pro-Serbian articles posted here at B92 are not always helping the Serbian cause. I do not need your advice to tell me what I can consider reliable or not. Well "Ben" at this moment I have 42 recommendations and you only 3 (I know I had a day advantage). That shows me that much more people agree with my views, but I will not claim that they are better or worse than yours or other people's. I do not post things here to win a popularity contest. I do it to share information, opinions, and I read other people's postings (even yours) to be educated, amused, and to respond if necessary.

teesy

pre 16 godina

wonderful to here this envoy of peace and harmony declaring his plans.His talk of reconciliation makes one tearful. I'm going nominate him for the nobel peace prize alongside ceku for their continued advocacy of peace and stability in the Balkans. You couldn't make this stuff up!

ben

pre 16 godina

I saw your link Jan: how it comes that you take for good the Serbian sources? it must be from the "good glory" days in Srebrenica.

The only one that wants conflicts in Kosova is Kostunica see the Serbian Minster of Defence Sutanovic http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2008&mm=04&dd=04&nav_id=49093

this is reliably source Jan- he is a Minster and has reliable- proved, information not your "source" - "Jan" ;)

After all, why should Kosova want a conflict IN Kosova???

I mean why should I risk to lose the game in the table when I am winning 9:1 ???? what's the point in provoking the referee when I am winning 9:1??? ;)

Une

pre 16 godina

About the link posted for blitkrig war that is just funny. There it is the typical ballkans mindset. They are ploting. It would be the same as me sayiong an Interview with Lucy cooperland gave us the Plans of North Koreas nuclear arms rcae... LOL wake up people be goog neighboors.. While western Europe has forgotten the past and move on to a new future you wallow in the silly past....

blero

pre 16 godina

The situation in Kosovo is the result of the US and the Albanians are nothing more than weak servants.

(ZK UK, 11 April 2008 01:23)

And every time somebody tries to “bully poor little Serbia” you go to your Big Momma Russia.
So, what does that make Serbia ZK?
Strong master?
I don’t think so.

Peggy

pre 16 godina

Mr Thaci, what measures would they be?

Do you intend to force the Serbs into submission to you or are you just going to give them a tongue lashing?

I hope you are not thinking of using any force because that would be a provocation worth answerig.

ZK UK

pre 16 godina

arti, you are correct. He is a puppet and is told what to say by his puppet masters when they pull a few strings attached to his mouth.

The situation in Kosovo is the result of the US and the Albanians are nothing more than weak servants. Remove NATO from the equation and what do you have?

Now what has Thaci said that has come true? Nothing that I'm aware of.

arti

pre 16 godina

i would advise to Serbian leaders and pro-Serbian camp to believe what he says...
He make things happen!! u can call him puppet of the west ( I know u guys love that ):) or whatever,it doesn't matter,none of what he told to the people in Kosova had not been achieved...not taking him and others for serius is why u culdn't keep Kosova under occupation anymore,remember Serbian delegation was showing up drunk in Rambuje metings,because u never thought that the world was already feed up with ur ego and arrogance and we would be able to stop ur killing machine,however we did it with west,nato usa,ourself etc..it doesn't matter,we got what we wanted!!!

Jovan

pre 16 godina

lol...

yeah, go for it, I think Serbia has the right answer prepared...

Taci is on the list of war-criminal-terrorists. he should end up in a serbian prison, then international observers can visit that socalled "president" in his own little republic... :)

Party time

pre 16 godina

Ah Serbian phantasms... He was only talking about economical integration of the Northern part and in no ways was he alluding any push against Serbs presence there. As ever said since the declaration, the goal of this legitimate gvt is to ensure good standard of living for the entire population, not only for the overwhelming majority of Albanians.

Gojko

pre 16 godina

Serbia's army, police, or some other force will eventually enter Kosovo. Its a matter of time. Its unfortunate, but it will need to lead to force if albanians in Kosovo do not negotiate.

Jim

pre 16 godina

You don't suppose that all this has something to do with this report:

http://www.glas-javnosti.co.yu/clanak/glas-javnosti-03-04-2008/nato-sprema-blic-krig

If so, I think we could be looking at a very dangerous period ahead. This will really test Russia's resolve on this matter.

smile

pre 16 godina

there is logic to hash's, well, logic :) this former peasant and kla warlord managed before to blackmail wimpy nato and unmik that if albanians aren't given what they want they will cause war in the balkans. naturally, he hopes he can pull it off again.
but the rules, ach, the rules, might easily be changing. also the weather and other conditions in the park where this game is played. before making these threats of violence hash might want to consider two words and one number: moscow, may, 11.
he might want to use what capacities a snake has to think his intentions through.

Jan (Amsterdam)

pre 16 godina

This is what Tachi meant with his comments.

http://www.newnation.vg/forums/showthread.php?t=124875

It is all so obvious and predictable. If this happens various Western and Kosovo Albanian leaders will have to be indicted for war crimes and ethnic cleansing immediately by The Hague.

Bob

pre 16 godina

This man is trying to provoke a war.

I am sure that NATO will not want to do his fighting for him this time however.

Personally, I think that Serbia should send its police in to NMitrovica and the other northern provinces now - Kosovo is all Serbian, and it should at least exercise its power in the region where the local population see this as non-contentious. The international press would not criticise Serbia for this - they are aware of the lie and the dirty trick that the west did.

Certainly it is time to stop 1244 from allowing Serbia to have its territory illegally stolen. When stealing takes place it is usual to send in the police.

Serbia should call the west's bluff - they will not bomb again if Serbia asserts its rights.

This UDI is not what 1244 was about. 1244 is based on a lie and a deception - the west never intended to fulfill its terms and so do not deserve for this UDI to succeed.

I regret supporting the bombing - I was against Milosevic's wicked behaviour - however, I feel let down by NATO because its aims were not humanitarian but politically ill motivated against the people of Serbia.

Be clear. The west intend to carry on punishing Serbia until it gives up Kosovo. Serbia therefore has to act - not stand idly by as it has to date. The police should go in to enforce 1244 and population need to go in to reestablish ownership. If Serbia does not do that, it may as well give up on Kosovo right now.

Nikola

pre 16 godina

Serbs in Kosovo province have seen Thaci's "plans" in action already: countless burned churches and homes; human organs harvested for cash; terror and shootings and beatings; life behind barbed wire in internment camp conditions; old Serbian women having their noses broken by Albanians who object to Serbs speaking their own language; al-Quaeda-KLA affiliated terrorists wielding political power. Yes indeed, the "plans" have been fully demonstrated to Serbs for the past decade. Thaci should go to northern Mitrovica and find out what people think of his "plans".

Jan (Amsterdam)

pre 16 godina

This is what Tachi meant with his comments.

http://www.newnation.vg/forums/showthread.php?t=124875

It is all so obvious and predictable. If this happens various Western and Kosovo Albanian leaders will have to be indicted for war crimes and ethnic cleansing immediately by The Hague.

Nikola

pre 16 godina

Serbs in Kosovo province have seen Thaci's "plans" in action already: countless burned churches and homes; human organs harvested for cash; terror and shootings and beatings; life behind barbed wire in internment camp conditions; old Serbian women having their noses broken by Albanians who object to Serbs speaking their own language; al-Quaeda-KLA affiliated terrorists wielding political power. Yes indeed, the "plans" have been fully demonstrated to Serbs for the past decade. Thaci should go to northern Mitrovica and find out what people think of his "plans".

Bob

pre 16 godina

This man is trying to provoke a war.

I am sure that NATO will not want to do his fighting for him this time however.

Personally, I think that Serbia should send its police in to NMitrovica and the other northern provinces now - Kosovo is all Serbian, and it should at least exercise its power in the region where the local population see this as non-contentious. The international press would not criticise Serbia for this - they are aware of the lie and the dirty trick that the west did.

Certainly it is time to stop 1244 from allowing Serbia to have its territory illegally stolen. When stealing takes place it is usual to send in the police.

Serbia should call the west's bluff - they will not bomb again if Serbia asserts its rights.

This UDI is not what 1244 was about. 1244 is based on a lie and a deception - the west never intended to fulfill its terms and so do not deserve for this UDI to succeed.

I regret supporting the bombing - I was against Milosevic's wicked behaviour - however, I feel let down by NATO because its aims were not humanitarian but politically ill motivated against the people of Serbia.

Be clear. The west intend to carry on punishing Serbia until it gives up Kosovo. Serbia therefore has to act - not stand idly by as it has to date. The police should go in to enforce 1244 and population need to go in to reestablish ownership. If Serbia does not do that, it may as well give up on Kosovo right now.

Jovan

pre 16 godina

lol...

yeah, go for it, I think Serbia has the right answer prepared...

Taci is on the list of war-criminal-terrorists. he should end up in a serbian prison, then international observers can visit that socalled "president" in his own little republic... :)

Gojko

pre 16 godina

Serbia's army, police, or some other force will eventually enter Kosovo. Its a matter of time. Its unfortunate, but it will need to lead to force if albanians in Kosovo do not negotiate.

smile

pre 16 godina

there is logic to hash's, well, logic :) this former peasant and kla warlord managed before to blackmail wimpy nato and unmik that if albanians aren't given what they want they will cause war in the balkans. naturally, he hopes he can pull it off again.
but the rules, ach, the rules, might easily be changing. also the weather and other conditions in the park where this game is played. before making these threats of violence hash might want to consider two words and one number: moscow, may, 11.
he might want to use what capacities a snake has to think his intentions through.

Jim

pre 16 godina

You don't suppose that all this has something to do with this report:

http://www.glas-javnosti.co.yu/clanak/glas-javnosti-03-04-2008/nato-sprema-blic-krig

If so, I think we could be looking at a very dangerous period ahead. This will really test Russia's resolve on this matter.

ZK UK

pre 16 godina

arti, you are correct. He is a puppet and is told what to say by his puppet masters when they pull a few strings attached to his mouth.

The situation in Kosovo is the result of the US and the Albanians are nothing more than weak servants. Remove NATO from the equation and what do you have?

Now what has Thaci said that has come true? Nothing that I'm aware of.

arti

pre 16 godina

i would advise to Serbian leaders and pro-Serbian camp to believe what he says...
He make things happen!! u can call him puppet of the west ( I know u guys love that ):) or whatever,it doesn't matter,none of what he told to the people in Kosova had not been achieved...not taking him and others for serius is why u culdn't keep Kosova under occupation anymore,remember Serbian delegation was showing up drunk in Rambuje metings,because u never thought that the world was already feed up with ur ego and arrogance and we would be able to stop ur killing machine,however we did it with west,nato usa,ourself etc..it doesn't matter,we got what we wanted!!!

Jan (Amsterdam)

pre 16 godina

""I saw your link Jan: how it comes that you take for good the Serbian sources? it must be from the "good glory" days in Srebrenica.

After all, why should Kosova want a conflict IN Kosova???

I mean why should I risk to lose the game in the table when I am winning 9:1 ???? what's the point in provoking the referee when I am winning 9:1??? ;)
(ben, 11 April 2008 15:30)"

"Ben" (I doubt that is your real name, although after 1999 American names must have become more popular (like Bill, Richard, Wesley)),

It seems like you have a problem with me using a good and non-Serbian plus pro-Serbian source and then trying to connect that with Srebrenica is completely absurd. As if I am personally responsible for both.

Kosovo Albanians want a conflict in Kosovo so they can create a 100% pure ethnic state (I do not care what is mentioned in your so-called "constitution", a useless piece of paper written by Eurocrats to keep fooling the world from the true intentions). NATO also wants a conflict, because as long as there are Serbs in Kosovo they can cause "trouble" and NATO does not want any peeping Toms when they will build the anti-missle system at Bondsteel.

You comment on winning 9-1 is almost comical. What have you really won so far? It is 1-0 at best, but in the long run it will be a big defeat. Who is the referee you are referring to? NATO, the EU, the UN? In terms of my used link (and I was not the only one using it), Operation Storm probably did not take place, right? Considering the experiences Serbs have had it is better to be prepared for the worst and let the world know ASAP. In most cases this may actually prevent things from happening. It actually reminds me of an incident posted on the Internet during the 1999 Kosovo air war. NATO needed an excuse to start a ground war and the public opinion in the West was very much against this. Things could turn around with some serious "incident" that had to be created. The Croation AF was painting a jet fighter in Yugoslav AF colors and this plane, flown by a German or American pilot, was supposed to attack a Kosovo Albanian refugee camp inside Albania, hereby creating a reason to start a ground war (that NATO was afraid to start due to high numbers of potential casulties).

It is very hard to distinguish truth from lies and I am trying to follow my feelings and common sense as much as possible. Some of the pro-Serbian articles posted here at B92 are not always helping the Serbian cause. I do not need your advice to tell me what I can consider reliable or not. Well "Ben" at this moment I have 42 recommendations and you only 3 (I know I had a day advantage). That shows me that much more people agree with my views, but I will not claim that they are better or worse than yours or other people's. I do not post things here to win a popularity contest. I do it to share information, opinions, and I read other people's postings (even yours) to be educated, amused, and to respond if necessary.

blero

pre 16 godina

The situation in Kosovo is the result of the US and the Albanians are nothing more than weak servants.

(ZK UK, 11 April 2008 01:23)

And every time somebody tries to “bully poor little Serbia” you go to your Big Momma Russia.
So, what does that make Serbia ZK?
Strong master?
I don’t think so.

ben

pre 16 godina

I saw your link Jan: how it comes that you take for good the Serbian sources? it must be from the "good glory" days in Srebrenica.

The only one that wants conflicts in Kosova is Kostunica see the Serbian Minster of Defence Sutanovic http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2008&mm=04&dd=04&nav_id=49093

this is reliably source Jan- he is a Minster and has reliable- proved, information not your "source" - "Jan" ;)

After all, why should Kosova want a conflict IN Kosova???

I mean why should I risk to lose the game in the table when I am winning 9:1 ???? what's the point in provoking the referee when I am winning 9:1??? ;)

Jan (Amsterdam)

pre 16 godina

""Jan" I would not discuss your "deep" analytical "explanations" for the simple reason they are too comical- a waste of time.

Why I say this? because you miss the point in the first stance 9:1 stands 90% Albanians and 10% others- so what problem do we have??? Will those 5% of Serbs jeopardise our culture and state? :) where is the difference in winning >90% or 100%??? It’s a absolute victory in both cases “Jan”, get it??

"Jan" consider reliable sources (your Minister Sutanovic link above) so you might be taken serious one day.
(ben, 12 April 2008 16:27)"

"Ben",

I have resisted commenting to your reply all day, but eventually I decided to make a few comments. You can stop using "Jan" for I am Jan and not a Serb using a Dutch name to show that Serbia has friends in a Serb-unfriendly country. I have no problem admitting the fact that I misunderstood your 9-1 remark (maybe you were not very clear). Now that it is clear I can make the 6.2-1.8 comment. What is means is that Kosovo Albanians are a clear minority in Serbia. Will that minority use its selfishness jeopordize the stability of The Balkans? I think enough people visiting this website take my comments seriously and so I will never be discouraged by comments from someone like you. The problem I have with you people is that you really do not deserve your own state. You do no have a unique culture and besically you are just Albanians living in Serbia. Just admit that eventually you want to be united with the motherland. You guys (and girls) should have chosen for the best autonomy in the world, but people who want it all will end up with nothing. Next time you should not pretend that you are some kind of intelectual. Also stop blaming Serbs and Serbia for all you so-called missery. Maybe you should read the following "propaganda".

"Starting in 1982 and 1983, in response to nationalist Albanian riots in Kosovo, the Central Committee of the SFRY League of Communists adopted a set of conclusions aimed at centralizing Serbia’s control over law enforcement and the judiciary in its Kosovo and Vojvodina provinces. [37]

In 1986 Serbian president Ivan Stambolic established a commission to amend the Serbian Constitution inkeeping with conclusions adopted by the federal Communist Party. [38]

The constitutional commission worked for three years to harmonize its positions and in 1989 an amended Serbian constitution was submitted to the governments of Kosovo, Vojvodina and Serbia for approval.

On March 10, 1989 the Vojvodina Assembly approved the amendments, followed by the Kosovo Assembly on March 23, and the Serbian Assembly on March 28. [39] [40] [41]

In the Kosovo Assembly 187 of the 190 assembly members were present when the vote was taken: 10 voted against the amendments, two abstained, and the remaining 175 voted in favor of the amendments. [42] [43]

Although the ethnic composition of the Kosovo Assembly was over 70 percent Albanian [44], Kosovo-Albanian nationalists reacted violently to the constitutional amendments. The UPI wire service reported that "unrest began [in Kosovo] when amendments were approved returning to Serbia control over the province's police, courts, national defense and foreign affairs ... mass demonstrations turned into violent street rioting when demonstrators began using firearms against police." According to the report the rioting killed 29 people and injured 30 policemen and 97 civilians. [45]

The changes to the Serbian constitution were approved by the Yugoslav presidency as part of a deal; in return for this approval, Serbian presidency member Borisav Jović and his allies voted in favour of the appointment of former Croatian republic leader Ante Marković to become premier."

You guys were sold out by your own people and by the other Yugoslav Republics (and not just Serbia, but ceratin memories are quite selective). Of course you are probably part of a new and younger generation that is more vunarable for extreme thinking. I will not waste more of my time on you regarding this article, but I look forward to putting you into your place in the future with other articles.
To finish of. The score to date: Jan 57-"Ben" 12.

Peggy

pre 16 godina

Mr Thaci, what measures would they be?

Do you intend to force the Serbs into submission to you or are you just going to give them a tongue lashing?

I hope you are not thinking of using any force because that would be a provocation worth answerig.

Party time

pre 16 godina

Ah Serbian phantasms... He was only talking about economical integration of the Northern part and in no ways was he alluding any push against Serbs presence there. As ever said since the declaration, the goal of this legitimate gvt is to ensure good standard of living for the entire population, not only for the overwhelming majority of Albanians.

Mr X

pre 16 godina

I laugh out loud with your thinking. “Thaci is planning a massive Genocide for Serbs in Northern Mitrovica” What a joke.
He talking about integrating everyone in the new country, but wait until EU mission is sent to Kosova and UN leaves. We will see big changes happening. There can be no stability with the current situation, thus Serbs in the northern part of Mitrovica should learn of the new reality, and I am sure they will, sooner or later. Serbia will not wage another war, if they do they will have a civil war inside Serbia. At least one half of the country does not want a war, especially the young crowd. So Serbian police in Northern Mitrovica has no chance of entering. Sorry but that just the reality. Fighting against Kosova is fighting against USA, so it’s a fight no one in the world can win.

Une

pre 16 godina

About the link posted for blitkrig war that is just funny. There it is the typical ballkans mindset. They are ploting. It would be the same as me sayiong an Interview with Lucy cooperland gave us the Plans of North Koreas nuclear arms rcae... LOL wake up people be goog neighboors.. While western Europe has forgotten the past and move on to a new future you wallow in the silly past....

teesy

pre 16 godina

wonderful to here this envoy of peace and harmony declaring his plans.His talk of reconciliation makes one tearful. I'm going nominate him for the nobel peace prize alongside ceku for their continued advocacy of peace and stability in the Balkans. You couldn't make this stuff up!

Steve

pre 16 godina

Mr Thaci - you do well to KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT and hide in the black hole that is Pristina. You have the utter cheek to talk about Law and stability - you better pray your henchmen did a good enough job in covering up all the atrocities you and your cronies had a hand in! Enjoy it while it lasts!

ben

pre 16 godina

"Jan" I would not discuss your "deep" analytical "explanations" for the simple reason they are too comical- a waste of time.

Why I say this? because you miss the point in the first stance 9:1 stands 90% Albanians and 10% others- so what problem do we have??? Will those 5% of Serbs jeopardise our culture and state? :) where is the difference in winning >90% or 100%??? It’s a absolute victory in both cases “Jan”, get it??

"Jan" consider reliable sources (your Minister Sutanovic link above) so you might be taken serious one day.

ben

pre 16 godina

#22
(Jan (Amsterdam), 13 April 2008 04:04)

Your 6.2- 1.8 is at the best very important information about the tolerance and the democratic values and achievements of these two societies.

That is that 20% of Albanians in Yugo/Serbia did not had a substantial autonomy (the autonomy was bully abolished as you meticulously mentioned [I guess that's the main reason of posting at 4 a.m. - collecting info],) the Albanian language was never official language in the state, although Albanians were after Serbs and Croatians the third largest nation.

Instead 5% of Serbs in Kosova will enjoy substantial self- ruling, special relations with Serbia, their language IS official in the entire country and the most important all this rights will be GUARANTEED by the international community- not the fake autonomy that K-Albanians had in Yugo/Serbia that you unconsciously but very meticulously emphasized.

Do Kosovars deserve the state? I guess you were to young in 1999 to remember over 800 thousand Kosovars deported (and their personal documents destroyed by the police and army in the border- guess why- I am sure you don’t have that problem with your police when you leave your country, do you Jan?). Add to this the hate (that you can see in many postings by Serbs here) and discrimination they had during the Yugo/Serbia ruling that you diligently remembered, well to me and to the overwhelming part of the consolidated democracies is more than enough for independence, hence they recognized it. And this answers your position of "being" Albanians who live in Serbia. This is the main difference between me and you, Jan, between the democracies and totalitarians.

Unfortunately, Jan I continua to have the same problem with you- you continua to use unreliable sources. Please, consider e.g. Britannica for more thorough studies of the history of the Balkans the origins of the Balkan nations and the political development before and after WW I instead of Serbianna sources- this is for having more consistency in your argumentations- with serbiana your will never achieve that desired effect.

To finish, I wish you a good job with your ‘accountancy’ (Jan 57-"Ben" 12) Jan, but please remember that in the finance world the accountants are knows as being precisely wrong, analysts as approximately right. The choice is up to us Jan- you choose to be accountant.

Cheers

arti

pre 16 godina

i would advise to Serbian leaders and pro-Serbian camp to believe what he says...
He make things happen!! u can call him puppet of the west ( I know u guys love that ):) or whatever,it doesn't matter,none of what he told to the people in Kosova had not been achieved...not taking him and others for serius is why u culdn't keep Kosova under occupation anymore,remember Serbian delegation was showing up drunk in Rambuje metings,because u never thought that the world was already feed up with ur ego and arrogance and we would be able to stop ur killing machine,however we did it with west,nato usa,ourself etc..it doesn't matter,we got what we wanted!!!

Party time

pre 16 godina

Ah Serbian phantasms... He was only talking about economical integration of the Northern part and in no ways was he alluding any push against Serbs presence there. As ever said since the declaration, the goal of this legitimate gvt is to ensure good standard of living for the entire population, not only for the overwhelming majority of Albanians.

Nikola

pre 16 godina

Serbs in Kosovo province have seen Thaci's "plans" in action already: countless burned churches and homes; human organs harvested for cash; terror and shootings and beatings; life behind barbed wire in internment camp conditions; old Serbian women having their noses broken by Albanians who object to Serbs speaking their own language; al-Quaeda-KLA affiliated terrorists wielding political power. Yes indeed, the "plans" have been fully demonstrated to Serbs for the past decade. Thaci should go to northern Mitrovica and find out what people think of his "plans".

Mr X

pre 16 godina

I laugh out loud with your thinking. “Thaci is planning a massive Genocide for Serbs in Northern Mitrovica” What a joke.
He talking about integrating everyone in the new country, but wait until EU mission is sent to Kosova and UN leaves. We will see big changes happening. There can be no stability with the current situation, thus Serbs in the northern part of Mitrovica should learn of the new reality, and I am sure they will, sooner or later. Serbia will not wage another war, if they do they will have a civil war inside Serbia. At least one half of the country does not want a war, especially the young crowd. So Serbian police in Northern Mitrovica has no chance of entering. Sorry but that just the reality. Fighting against Kosova is fighting against USA, so it’s a fight no one in the world can win.

blero

pre 16 godina

The situation in Kosovo is the result of the US and the Albanians are nothing more than weak servants.

(ZK UK, 11 April 2008 01:23)

And every time somebody tries to “bully poor little Serbia” you go to your Big Momma Russia.
So, what does that make Serbia ZK?
Strong master?
I don’t think so.

Une

pre 16 godina

About the link posted for blitkrig war that is just funny. There it is the typical ballkans mindset. They are ploting. It would be the same as me sayiong an Interview with Lucy cooperland gave us the Plans of North Koreas nuclear arms rcae... LOL wake up people be goog neighboors.. While western Europe has forgotten the past and move on to a new future you wallow in the silly past....

ben

pre 16 godina

"Jan" I would not discuss your "deep" analytical "explanations" for the simple reason they are too comical- a waste of time.

Why I say this? because you miss the point in the first stance 9:1 stands 90% Albanians and 10% others- so what problem do we have??? Will those 5% of Serbs jeopardise our culture and state? :) where is the difference in winning >90% or 100%??? It’s a absolute victory in both cases “Jan”, get it??

"Jan" consider reliable sources (your Minister Sutanovic link above) so you might be taken serious one day.

Bob

pre 16 godina

This man is trying to provoke a war.

I am sure that NATO will not want to do his fighting for him this time however.

Personally, I think that Serbia should send its police in to NMitrovica and the other northern provinces now - Kosovo is all Serbian, and it should at least exercise its power in the region where the local population see this as non-contentious. The international press would not criticise Serbia for this - they are aware of the lie and the dirty trick that the west did.

Certainly it is time to stop 1244 from allowing Serbia to have its territory illegally stolen. When stealing takes place it is usual to send in the police.

Serbia should call the west's bluff - they will not bomb again if Serbia asserts its rights.

This UDI is not what 1244 was about. 1244 is based on a lie and a deception - the west never intended to fulfill its terms and so do not deserve for this UDI to succeed.

I regret supporting the bombing - I was against Milosevic's wicked behaviour - however, I feel let down by NATO because its aims were not humanitarian but politically ill motivated against the people of Serbia.

Be clear. The west intend to carry on punishing Serbia until it gives up Kosovo. Serbia therefore has to act - not stand idly by as it has to date. The police should go in to enforce 1244 and population need to go in to reestablish ownership. If Serbia does not do that, it may as well give up on Kosovo right now.

Jovan

pre 16 godina

lol...

yeah, go for it, I think Serbia has the right answer prepared...

Taci is on the list of war-criminal-terrorists. he should end up in a serbian prison, then international observers can visit that socalled "president" in his own little republic... :)

Gojko

pre 16 godina

Serbia's army, police, or some other force will eventually enter Kosovo. Its a matter of time. Its unfortunate, but it will need to lead to force if albanians in Kosovo do not negotiate.

Peggy

pre 16 godina

Mr Thaci, what measures would they be?

Do you intend to force the Serbs into submission to you or are you just going to give them a tongue lashing?

I hope you are not thinking of using any force because that would be a provocation worth answerig.

ben

pre 16 godina

I saw your link Jan: how it comes that you take for good the Serbian sources? it must be from the "good glory" days in Srebrenica.

The only one that wants conflicts in Kosova is Kostunica see the Serbian Minster of Defence Sutanovic http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2008&mm=04&dd=04&nav_id=49093

this is reliably source Jan- he is a Minster and has reliable- proved, information not your "source" - "Jan" ;)

After all, why should Kosova want a conflict IN Kosova???

I mean why should I risk to lose the game in the table when I am winning 9:1 ???? what's the point in provoking the referee when I am winning 9:1??? ;)

Jan (Amsterdam)

pre 16 godina

This is what Tachi meant with his comments.

http://www.newnation.vg/forums/showthread.php?t=124875

It is all so obvious and predictable. If this happens various Western and Kosovo Albanian leaders will have to be indicted for war crimes and ethnic cleansing immediately by The Hague.

Jan (Amsterdam)

pre 16 godina

""I saw your link Jan: how it comes that you take for good the Serbian sources? it must be from the "good glory" days in Srebrenica.

After all, why should Kosova want a conflict IN Kosova???

I mean why should I risk to lose the game in the table when I am winning 9:1 ???? what's the point in provoking the referee when I am winning 9:1??? ;)
(ben, 11 April 2008 15:30)"

"Ben" (I doubt that is your real name, although after 1999 American names must have become more popular (like Bill, Richard, Wesley)),

It seems like you have a problem with me using a good and non-Serbian plus pro-Serbian source and then trying to connect that with Srebrenica is completely absurd. As if I am personally responsible for both.

Kosovo Albanians want a conflict in Kosovo so they can create a 100% pure ethnic state (I do not care what is mentioned in your so-called "constitution", a useless piece of paper written by Eurocrats to keep fooling the world from the true intentions). NATO also wants a conflict, because as long as there are Serbs in Kosovo they can cause "trouble" and NATO does not want any peeping Toms when they will build the anti-missle system at Bondsteel.

You comment on winning 9-1 is almost comical. What have you really won so far? It is 1-0 at best, but in the long run it will be a big defeat. Who is the referee you are referring to? NATO, the EU, the UN? In terms of my used link (and I was not the only one using it), Operation Storm probably did not take place, right? Considering the experiences Serbs have had it is better to be prepared for the worst and let the world know ASAP. In most cases this may actually prevent things from happening. It actually reminds me of an incident posted on the Internet during the 1999 Kosovo air war. NATO needed an excuse to start a ground war and the public opinion in the West was very much against this. Things could turn around with some serious "incident" that had to be created. The Croation AF was painting a jet fighter in Yugoslav AF colors and this plane, flown by a German or American pilot, was supposed to attack a Kosovo Albanian refugee camp inside Albania, hereby creating a reason to start a ground war (that NATO was afraid to start due to high numbers of potential casulties).

It is very hard to distinguish truth from lies and I am trying to follow my feelings and common sense as much as possible. Some of the pro-Serbian articles posted here at B92 are not always helping the Serbian cause. I do not need your advice to tell me what I can consider reliable or not. Well "Ben" at this moment I have 42 recommendations and you only 3 (I know I had a day advantage). That shows me that much more people agree with my views, but I will not claim that they are better or worse than yours or other people's. I do not post things here to win a popularity contest. I do it to share information, opinions, and I read other people's postings (even yours) to be educated, amused, and to respond if necessary.

ben

pre 16 godina

#22
(Jan (Amsterdam), 13 April 2008 04:04)

Your 6.2- 1.8 is at the best very important information about the tolerance and the democratic values and achievements of these two societies.

That is that 20% of Albanians in Yugo/Serbia did not had a substantial autonomy (the autonomy was bully abolished as you meticulously mentioned [I guess that's the main reason of posting at 4 a.m. - collecting info],) the Albanian language was never official language in the state, although Albanians were after Serbs and Croatians the third largest nation.

Instead 5% of Serbs in Kosova will enjoy substantial self- ruling, special relations with Serbia, their language IS official in the entire country and the most important all this rights will be GUARANTEED by the international community- not the fake autonomy that K-Albanians had in Yugo/Serbia that you unconsciously but very meticulously emphasized.

Do Kosovars deserve the state? I guess you were to young in 1999 to remember over 800 thousand Kosovars deported (and their personal documents destroyed by the police and army in the border- guess why- I am sure you don’t have that problem with your police when you leave your country, do you Jan?). Add to this the hate (that you can see in many postings by Serbs here) and discrimination they had during the Yugo/Serbia ruling that you diligently remembered, well to me and to the overwhelming part of the consolidated democracies is more than enough for independence, hence they recognized it. And this answers your position of "being" Albanians who live in Serbia. This is the main difference between me and you, Jan, between the democracies and totalitarians.

Unfortunately, Jan I continua to have the same problem with you- you continua to use unreliable sources. Please, consider e.g. Britannica for more thorough studies of the history of the Balkans the origins of the Balkan nations and the political development before and after WW I instead of Serbianna sources- this is for having more consistency in your argumentations- with serbiana your will never achieve that desired effect.

To finish, I wish you a good job with your ‘accountancy’ (Jan 57-"Ben" 12) Jan, but please remember that in the finance world the accountants are knows as being precisely wrong, analysts as approximately right. The choice is up to us Jan- you choose to be accountant.

Cheers

smile

pre 16 godina

there is logic to hash's, well, logic :) this former peasant and kla warlord managed before to blackmail wimpy nato and unmik that if albanians aren't given what they want they will cause war in the balkans. naturally, he hopes he can pull it off again.
but the rules, ach, the rules, might easily be changing. also the weather and other conditions in the park where this game is played. before making these threats of violence hash might want to consider two words and one number: moscow, may, 11.
he might want to use what capacities a snake has to think his intentions through.

Jim

pre 16 godina

You don't suppose that all this has something to do with this report:

http://www.glas-javnosti.co.yu/clanak/glas-javnosti-03-04-2008/nato-sprema-blic-krig

If so, I think we could be looking at a very dangerous period ahead. This will really test Russia's resolve on this matter.

ZK UK

pre 16 godina

arti, you are correct. He is a puppet and is told what to say by his puppet masters when they pull a few strings attached to his mouth.

The situation in Kosovo is the result of the US and the Albanians are nothing more than weak servants. Remove NATO from the equation and what do you have?

Now what has Thaci said that has come true? Nothing that I'm aware of.

teesy

pre 16 godina

wonderful to here this envoy of peace and harmony declaring his plans.His talk of reconciliation makes one tearful. I'm going nominate him for the nobel peace prize alongside ceku for their continued advocacy of peace and stability in the Balkans. You couldn't make this stuff up!

Jan (Amsterdam)

pre 16 godina

""Jan" I would not discuss your "deep" analytical "explanations" for the simple reason they are too comical- a waste of time.

Why I say this? because you miss the point in the first stance 9:1 stands 90% Albanians and 10% others- so what problem do we have??? Will those 5% of Serbs jeopardise our culture and state? :) where is the difference in winning >90% or 100%??? It’s a absolute victory in both cases “Jan”, get it??

"Jan" consider reliable sources (your Minister Sutanovic link above) so you might be taken serious one day.
(ben, 12 April 2008 16:27)"

"Ben",

I have resisted commenting to your reply all day, but eventually I decided to make a few comments. You can stop using "Jan" for I am Jan and not a Serb using a Dutch name to show that Serbia has friends in a Serb-unfriendly country. I have no problem admitting the fact that I misunderstood your 9-1 remark (maybe you were not very clear). Now that it is clear I can make the 6.2-1.8 comment. What is means is that Kosovo Albanians are a clear minority in Serbia. Will that minority use its selfishness jeopordize the stability of The Balkans? I think enough people visiting this website take my comments seriously and so I will never be discouraged by comments from someone like you. The problem I have with you people is that you really do not deserve your own state. You do no have a unique culture and besically you are just Albanians living in Serbia. Just admit that eventually you want to be united with the motherland. You guys (and girls) should have chosen for the best autonomy in the world, but people who want it all will end up with nothing. Next time you should not pretend that you are some kind of intelectual. Also stop blaming Serbs and Serbia for all you so-called missery. Maybe you should read the following "propaganda".

"Starting in 1982 and 1983, in response to nationalist Albanian riots in Kosovo, the Central Committee of the SFRY League of Communists adopted a set of conclusions aimed at centralizing Serbia’s control over law enforcement and the judiciary in its Kosovo and Vojvodina provinces. [37]

In 1986 Serbian president Ivan Stambolic established a commission to amend the Serbian Constitution inkeeping with conclusions adopted by the federal Communist Party. [38]

The constitutional commission worked for three years to harmonize its positions and in 1989 an amended Serbian constitution was submitted to the governments of Kosovo, Vojvodina and Serbia for approval.

On March 10, 1989 the Vojvodina Assembly approved the amendments, followed by the Kosovo Assembly on March 23, and the Serbian Assembly on March 28. [39] [40] [41]

In the Kosovo Assembly 187 of the 190 assembly members were present when the vote was taken: 10 voted against the amendments, two abstained, and the remaining 175 voted in favor of the amendments. [42] [43]

Although the ethnic composition of the Kosovo Assembly was over 70 percent Albanian [44], Kosovo-Albanian nationalists reacted violently to the constitutional amendments. The UPI wire service reported that "unrest began [in Kosovo] when amendments were approved returning to Serbia control over the province's police, courts, national defense and foreign affairs ... mass demonstrations turned into violent street rioting when demonstrators began using firearms against police." According to the report the rioting killed 29 people and injured 30 policemen and 97 civilians. [45]

The changes to the Serbian constitution were approved by the Yugoslav presidency as part of a deal; in return for this approval, Serbian presidency member Borisav Jović and his allies voted in favour of the appointment of former Croatian republic leader Ante Marković to become premier."

You guys were sold out by your own people and by the other Yugoslav Republics (and not just Serbia, but ceratin memories are quite selective). Of course you are probably part of a new and younger generation that is more vunarable for extreme thinking. I will not waste more of my time on you regarding this article, but I look forward to putting you into your place in the future with other articles.
To finish of. The score to date: Jan 57-"Ben" 12.

Steve

pre 16 godina

Mr Thaci - you do well to KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT and hide in the black hole that is Pristina. You have the utter cheek to talk about Law and stability - you better pray your henchmen did a good enough job in covering up all the atrocities you and your cronies had a hand in! Enjoy it while it lasts!