Koštunica warns against "Solana's agreement"

When someone like Mircea recommends not voting for Koštunica, you can be sure voting for him is in the best interests of Serbia.

When somone like Solana attempts to push through signing the SAA before the elections you can be sure NOT signing it is in Serbia's best interests.

Vojo rocks.
No agreement should be made with this shady character. He lead the illegal and criminal bombing of Serbia for 78 days, and now he says he 'loves Serbia'. He should be sitting in the Hague with Albright, not trying to make deals to help the fifth column in Serbia.

Solana's agreement is certainly not in the interests of the Serbian nation and people.

strait and honest!

Bravo VOJO! You speak the truth and Serbia knows it to be true. Well said.

It looks like Mr. Kostunica has seen the risk, it's really strange how everybody is trying to secure this signature before the elections.

Some people sell isolation fears here: isolation with sellotape or what? In today's (globalised) world, it is impossible to isolate Serbia.

Remember that Milosevic was fighting against the West in a unipolar US world with a weak Russia. And he still managed to get 1244 guaranteeing Serbia's borders.

We are now entering a multipolar world with a strong Russia and China and a weakening US.

The game is not the same as it once was and Russia is now determined to protect Serbia - unlike Yeltsin in the 90s. I am fully supporting Kostunica and a strong Serbia.

Vojo sounds more like Slobo everyday. Let's hope people in Serbia are not fooled by this rhetoric for a second time.
(Stuart, 10 April 2008 14:53)

Yeah, 100% agree with that. He is the only one willing to do something against this crab. I mean, he is the only one standing up. The DS and the rest of them, sit their hands folded, and pray that for god knows what reason that theyll actually come out better by signing a contract to formally declare kosovo independent on behalf of the serbs. Solana, you disgust me. You are about as justified in your acts as george bush is for going to iraq. God knows why you've done it, but they want to back it for the money.

Vojo be exactly like slobodan, don't sit their while everyone tries to take their pickings, and leaves you with the crumbs. Lets hope people in serbia don't give into the West's political distress. Lets just hope that they dont try and bomb us with depleted uranium again, for not going along with their ideas of an american europe. You have one life, and these days i can honestly say the people who are leaders are heartless and without any moral sense. Doubt this? Pull your head out of the sand. Might surprise you to see what a mess western idealism is making out of the rest of the world.

Vojo sounds more like Slobo everyday. Let's hope people in Serbia are not fooled by this rhetoric for a second time.

I don't see how Kostunica can win using the argument that signing of SAA recognises Kosovo independence.

Nowhere does it state that in the SAA document. Its the clearest (most easily disprovable) lie yet in this campaign.

Still I guess supporting Voja isn't a matter of truth, rather its a matter of blind faith. Lets see if some of you believers have an answer to the following:

'Solana's' agreement??? What about the agreement Solana really created that Voja signed up to? Yes the shortlived Serbia and Montenegro country.

Signing the SAA that predates Solana at the EU is 'Solana's agreement' but signing an agreement created by Solana personally is ok? Hmmm. Don't need to be a brain surgeon to see something is wrong here.

Don't get me wrong I don't have a high opinion of Solana but feeble attempts at manipulation, that even a child can see through, must be exposed.

Kostunica is trying to isolate Serbia. I think the Serbian people should not vote for him or his partners.

He said that people in Serbia wanted an answer to one simple question: does the SAA view Serbia as a whole, together with its province of Kosovo, or not? -
Answer that please. Solana!
BTW, Serbs politicians who scare common Serbs with isolation should know that there's no vacuum in this Globalised world today!

If not EU, there's Gulf money, Chinese and Russian funds and Asian/Non-EU Europena funds available...

An old proverb - money comes and goes, but pride once gone can hardly be recovered...

If pride/hope/ambition is there, no Solana can stop Serbia from realizing its destiny!

'Vojo be exactly like slobodan, don't sit their while everyone tries to take their pickings, and leaves you with the crumbs.'

But that is exactly what Milosevic did - leave us with the crumbs.

Being like Slobodan is talking tough on national issues, but then behind the scenes capitulating battle by battle, whilst maintaining in public that a victory has been made.

In the end you end up with nothing but a poor, angry and desperate population. It failed miserably.

I can't believe the way some are rewriting history today. If Milosevic did well in the 90's I can only imagine what the idea of bad must be.

It is sad to see some welcoming the idea of another Milosevic.

Dr. Jekyll has finally been exposed as Mr. Hide by the "great statesman" Javier Bombthemall Solana. This former member of the most corrupt government ever in Europe, namely that of Felipe Gonzales, wants everybody to believe that Kostunica, the former white knight on the white horse, the one who kicked out Milosevic, has all of a sudden become the black knight on the black horse. And why? Because he stands up for his country, because he abides by his oath to defend the Constitution of Serbia and its people. He is doing his duty at a great personal risk and he deserves to be commended for it.
This site pullulates with all the usual suspects (or should I say, agents?!), therefore I shall sail my boat to more welcoming waters, why not Morava i Drina? All the best to all the true Serbs and their true friends, convince as many people as you can that this is the one and only chance to show the whole world that Kosovo is really the heart of Serbia. 30 days to go and it will start beating again. NEDAMOTE!

"We also see that, all of a sudden, the government no longer has a technical mandate when Solana's agreement is at stake, and that it only had such a mandate when the energy arrangement with Russia was on the table," he pointed out.

It is true that Tadic refused to sign gas deal with Russians that was already agreed to. He said that nothing of importance should be signed before the elections. I agree with that, but I agree completelly. NOTHING of importance should be signed now. Elections are month away. Those who win will have a mandate to sign important things.

It is sad to see some welcoming the idea of another Milosevic.
(bganon, 10 April 2008 17:51)

Milosevic was nothing more than a scape goat. Anyone who would have been the president at that time would have been dealt with in the same way. In the 90's the West picked its sides and Serbia was not on theirs, so who was president makes no difference. Nationalism was running wild back then and the war fueled by that.

What's important to remember is that this was the case from all sides. All were nationalist, all wanted territory and all fought for it. It's just that the West wanted to back some of the combatants (Croatia and Bosnia). We had the backing of Russia but at that time they were weak so they couldn't help much. Now things are different. Russia is re-emerging, there is are also new powers like China, India, Brazil... all rising powers. It will be interesting to see what happens.

Its interesting to see Serbian politicians debating each other over who will preserve Kosova.
Some questions that Serbs should be asking:

Why did NATO enter Kosova?
Some answer that it was because USA wanted to create a bridge for USA with the Muslim world. But that is an absurd scenario since Kosova has no relations with that part of the world. Also religion is no big deal to a lot of Albanians! Their religion is "Shqiparia".

Did NATO enter Kosova so it will leave Kosova in the Serbian hands again?
To say YES its absurd. No one spends a lot without gaining anything. Nothing comes for FREE in this world, except for the Love of God.

So who will win the May 11 elections has no effect on Kosova. However, for Serbia Yes.
1. If radicals win they will isolate Serbia from the West and will open the door to Russia to enter Serbia (Tito never allowed this). Russia will use Vojvodina to feed its own people and use Serbia's resources for their own benefit until an uprising from the Serbian people occur and decide to join the West in a much weaker state than they are now. This scenario to the people who hate Serbia is the best scenario. Kosova will still be independent because Serbia would not be able to win a war against NATO.
2. If Tadic wins, Serbia will join the EU and Kosova will again still be independent. Tadic will not accept Kosova's independence willingly and will not say in public that he does. But that will be irrelevant to Kosova because the interest of big countries like USA are the same as the Albanians. So Kosova will be a permanent country for the centuries to come. However with Tadic wining, Serbia in this case would have a better life style for its citizens since they will be using Europe's Union's funds to construct their economy.

I believe that the best way to make EU more european and less american, countries like Serbia must enter the Union. EU is not only UK and Poland. There are countries like Romania,Greece,Germany,Cyprus that do not like to kneel on american commands. This team has to be enriched. Fighting for an independent EU from the inside can bring better results.

It's up to us to give EU to the european people and not to the US or Russian governments.

This comes to no supris; the EU has been plannting this situation for the past 8 years, the only way for Serbia to join the EU... this said 'Vojo' needs to give in and move on as its the Serbs that are suffering as a result of their arrogance and explicite attempt to keep the same model of goverment that cannot stop curroption and crime.

I agree with Kostunica on most of his comments regarding the treatment of Serbs in the former Yugoslavia and the Hague. Like many lawyers he is very good at pointing out facts, inconsistencies, as well as pointing fingers elsewhere.

My problem with Kostunica, is that he seems to do his best talking pre-election and then things get stagnant. I don't see any post-election vision to improve Serbia's living standards from him or his party.

Moreover, I don't think punishing yourselves and going against the E.U. will help Serbia internationally achieve any of its goals. Our friends in Slovakia, Cyprus, Greece, Romania, and other countries are in the E.U. so that club can't be all that evil.

DJ MeHighLow Milosevic was much more than a scapegoat.

He attempted to steal elections. He closed media that criticised him. Society was criminalised at the time of his rule - and is still suffering today. Political opponents were threatened, followed or worse. His family stole millions of euros from the Serbian people.

Now lets not fool ourselves about who Milosevic was.

It is interesting that some of you who support Kostunica also supported Milosevic though.

Bganon, I wasn’t S. Milosevic supporter, but looking back at all what happened, I can’t help but notice that he was deliberately demonized. He might tried to influence elections, but when criticizing, it is important to put things in the perspective - hey, even the “land of the free” is not exactly immune on the election manipulations, what to expect from the small Balkan country, in the middle of the war, victim of the economic isolation, surrounded by the powerful enemies from all sides, impoverished, victim of the special war espionage, propaganda, infiltrations and other regime change actions.
It wasn’t normal situation. Any country in similar situation would most certainly go through the period of detoriation of individual freedoms. Look at the US, how they reacted to perceived treaths, (much smaller then what we went through). Their secret services can now legally “preventively” imprison anyone, for unlimited time, without evidence.

S.M. was not dictator. There was a Parliament with vocal opposition parties, elections opposition media… All of that doesn’t exist in the dictature.

He was not a nationalist. On the contrary, he tried to preserve SFRY. He never sad anything negative against any ethnic group. Even in that many times manipulated speech in Kosovo Polje, where he’s enemies took one sentence out of context, he was actually very consiolatory. He praised ethnic diversity as something positive, something that need to be protected and developed. Anyone who heard or read complete speech could see that.

“…Society was criminalised at the time of his rule - and is still suffering today…”

I you sure that he is responsible for the criminalization? Nothing to do with a situation? You now, unimportant details such as a war, economic blockade, poverty, huge number of refuges e.c.t. , e.c.t. Is there any society any where in the world, that wouldn’t become criminalized to the certain degree in that kind of circumstances?

“… His family stole millions of euros from the Serbian people…”

Could you recommend some kind of evidence for all these accusations?

What would you do in his place?

Poor Kostunica.

He's using all the tricks in the book to be an alarmist and try to persuade the Serbs to vote form him next month.

How sad, considering this is exactly how Milosevic came to power. By inciting nationalism, being an alarmist, creating tension and division so he could get the votes.

And no need for me to tell you how that ended up for Serbia...

Kostunica is trying to isolate Serbia. I think the Serbian people should not vote for him or his partners.

Vojo sounds more like Slobo everyday. Let's hope people in Serbia are not fooled by this rhetoric for a second time.

This comes to no supris; the EU has been plannting this situation for the past 8 years, the only way for Serbia to join the EU... this said 'Vojo' needs to give in and move on as its the Serbs that are suffering as a result of their arrogance and explicite attempt to keep the same model of goverment that cannot stop curroption and crime.

I don't see how Kostunica can win using the argument that signing of SAA recognises Kosovo independence.

Nowhere does it state that in the SAA document. Its the clearest (most easily disprovable) lie yet in this campaign.

Still I guess supporting Voja isn't a matter of truth, rather its a matter of blind faith. Lets see if some of you believers have an answer to the following:

'Solana's' agreement??? What about the agreement Solana really created that Voja signed up to? Yes the shortlived Serbia and Montenegro country.

Signing the SAA that predates Solana at the EU is 'Solana's agreement' but signing an agreement created by Solana personally is ok? Hmmm. Don't need to be a brain surgeon to see something is wrong here.

Don't get me wrong I don't have a high opinion of Solana but feeble attempts at manipulation, that even a child can see through, must be exposed.

Its interesting to see Serbian politicians debating each other over who will preserve Kosova.
Some questions that Serbs should be asking:

Why did NATO enter Kosova?
Some answer that it was because USA wanted to create a bridge for USA with the Muslim world. But that is an absurd scenario since Kosova has no relations with that part of the world. Also religion is no big deal to a lot of Albanians! Their religion is "Shqiparia".

Did NATO enter Kosova so it will leave Kosova in the Serbian hands again?
To say YES its absurd. No one spends a lot without gaining anything. Nothing comes for FREE in this world, except for the Love of God.

So who will win the May 11 elections has no effect on Kosova. However, for Serbia Yes.
1. If radicals win they will isolate Serbia from the West and will open the door to Russia to enter Serbia (Tito never allowed this). Russia will use Vojvodina to feed its own people and use Serbia's resources for their own benefit until an uprising from the Serbian people occur and decide to join the West in a much weaker state than they are now. This scenario to the people who hate Serbia is the best scenario. Kosova will still be independent because Serbia would not be able to win a war against NATO.
2. If Tadic wins, Serbia will join the EU and Kosova will again still be independent. Tadic will not accept Kosova's independence willingly and will not say in public that he does. But that will be irrelevant to Kosova because the interest of big countries like USA are the same as the Albanians. So Kosova will be a permanent country for the centuries to come. However with Tadic wining, Serbia in this case would have a better life style for its citizens since they will be using Europe's Union's funds to construct their economy.

I agree with Kostunica on most of his comments regarding the treatment of Serbs in the former Yugoslavia and the Hague. Like many lawyers he is very good at pointing out facts, inconsistencies, as well as pointing fingers elsewhere.

My problem with Kostunica, is that he seems to do his best talking pre-election and then things get stagnant. I don't see any post-election vision to improve Serbia's living standards from him or his party.

Moreover, I don't think punishing yourselves and going against the E.U. will help Serbia internationally achieve any of its goals. Our friends in Slovakia, Cyprus, Greece, Romania, and other countries are in the E.U. so that club can't be all that evil.

'Vojo be exactly like slobodan, don't sit their while everyone tries to take their pickings, and leaves you with the crumbs.'

But that is exactly what Milosevic did - leave us with the crumbs.

Being like Slobodan is talking tough on national issues, but then behind the scenes capitulating battle by battle, whilst maintaining in public that a victory has been made.

In the end you end up with nothing but a poor, angry and desperate population. It failed miserably.

I can't believe the way some are rewriting history today. If Milosevic did well in the 90's I can only imagine what the idea of bad must be.

It is sad to see some welcoming the idea of another Milosevic.

Vojo rocks.
No agreement should be made with this shady character. He lead the illegal and criminal bombing of Serbia for 78 days, and now he says he 'loves Serbia'. He should be sitting in the Hague with Albright, not trying to make deals to help the fifth column in Serbia.

When someone like Mircea recommends not voting for Koštunica, you can be sure voting for him is in the best interests of Serbia.

When somone like Solana attempts to push through signing the SAA before the elections you can be sure NOT signing it is in Serbia's best interests.

Bravo VOJO! You speak the truth and Serbia knows it to be true. Well said.

Vojo sounds more like Slobo everyday. Let's hope people in Serbia are not fooled by this rhetoric for a second time.
(Stuart, 10 April 2008 14:53)

Yeah, 100% agree with that. He is the only one willing to do something against this crab. I mean, he is the only one standing up. The DS and the rest of them, sit their hands folded, and pray that for god knows what reason that theyll actually come out better by signing a contract to formally declare kosovo independent on behalf of the serbs. Solana, you disgust me. You are about as justified in your acts as george bush is for going to iraq. God knows why you've done it, but they want to back it for the money.

Vojo be exactly like slobodan, don't sit their while everyone tries to take their pickings, and leaves you with the crumbs. Lets hope people in serbia don't give into the West's political distress. Lets just hope that they dont try and bomb us with depleted uranium again, for not going along with their ideas of an american europe. You have one life, and these days i can honestly say the people who are leaders are heartless and without any moral sense. Doubt this? Pull your head out of the sand. Might surprise you to see what a mess western idealism is making out of the rest of the world.

It looks like Mr. Kostunica has seen the risk, it's really strange how everybody is trying to secure this signature before the elections.

Some people sell isolation fears here: isolation with sellotape or what? In today's (globalised) world, it is impossible to isolate Serbia.

Remember that Milosevic was fighting against the West in a unipolar US world with a weak Russia. And he still managed to get 1244 guaranteeing Serbia's borders.

We are now entering a multipolar world with a strong Russia and China and a weakening US.

The game is not the same as it once was and Russia is now determined to protect Serbia - unlike Yeltsin in the 90s. I am fully supporting Kostunica and a strong Serbia.

I believe that the best way to make EU more european and less american, countries like Serbia must enter the Union. EU is not only UK and Poland. There are countries like Romania,Greece,Germany,Cyprus that do not like to kneel on american commands. This team has to be enriched. Fighting for an independent EU from the inside can bring better results.

It's up to us to give EU to the european people and not to the US or Russian governments.

Solana's agreement is certainly not in the interests of the Serbian nation and people.

strait and honest!

"We also see that, all of a sudden, the government no longer has a technical mandate when Solana's agreement is at stake, and that it only had such a mandate when the energy arrangement with Russia was on the table," he pointed out.

It is true that Tadic refused to sign gas deal with Russians that was already agreed to. He said that nothing of importance should be signed before the elections. I agree with that, but I agree completelly. NOTHING of importance should be signed now. Elections are month away. Those who win will have a mandate to sign important things.

He said that people in Serbia wanted an answer to one simple question: does the SAA view Serbia as a whole, together with its province of Kosovo, or not? -
Answer that please. Solana!
BTW, Serbs politicians who scare common Serbs with isolation should know that there's no vacuum in this Globalised world today!

If not EU, there's Gulf money, Chinese and Russian funds and Asian/Non-EU Europena funds available...

An old proverb - money comes and goes, but pride once gone can hardly be recovered...

If pride/hope/ambition is there, no Solana can stop Serbia from realizing its destiny!

Dr. Jekyll has finally been exposed as Mr. Hide by the "great statesman" Javier Bombthemall Solana. This former member of the most corrupt government ever in Europe, namely that of Felipe Gonzales, wants everybody to believe that Kostunica, the former white knight on the white horse, the one who kicked out Milosevic, has all of a sudden become the black knight on the black horse. And why? Because he stands up for his country, because he abides by his oath to defend the Constitution of Serbia and its people. He is doing his duty at a great personal risk and he deserves to be commended for it.
This site pullulates with all the usual suspects (or should I say, agents?!), therefore I shall sail my boat to more welcoming waters, why not Morava i Drina? All the best to all the true Serbs and their true friends, convince as many people as you can that this is the one and only chance to show the whole world that Kosovo is really the heart of Serbia. 30 days to go and it will start beating again. NEDAMOTE!

It is sad to see some welcoming the idea of another Milosevic.
(bganon, 10 April 2008 17:51)

Milosevic was nothing more than a scape goat. Anyone who would have been the president at that time would have been dealt with in the same way. In the 90's the West picked its sides and Serbia was not on theirs, so who was president makes no difference. Nationalism was running wild back then and the war fueled by that.

What's important to remember is that this was the case from all sides. All were nationalist, all wanted territory and all fought for it. It's just that the West wanted to back some of the combatants (Croatia and Bosnia). We had the backing of Russia but at that time they were weak so they couldn't help much. Now things are different. Russia is re-emerging, there is are also new powers like China, India, Brazil... all rising powers. It will be interesting to see what happens.

DJ MeHighLow Milosevic was much more than a scapegoat.

He attempted to steal elections. He closed media that criticised him. Society was criminalised at the time of his rule - and is still suffering today. Political opponents were threatened, followed or worse. His family stole millions of euros from the Serbian people.

Now lets not fool ourselves about who Milosevic was.

It is interesting that some of you who support Kostunica also supported Milosevic though.

Poor Kostunica.

He's using all the tricks in the book to be an alarmist and try to persuade the Serbs to vote form him next month.

How sad, considering this is exactly how Milosevic came to power. By inciting nationalism, being an alarmist, creating tension and division so he could get the votes.

And no need for me to tell you how that ended up for Serbia...

Bganon, I wasn’t S. Milosevic supporter, but looking back at all what happened, I can’t help but notice that he was deliberately demonized. He might tried to influence elections, but when criticizing, it is important to put things in the perspective - hey, even the “land of the free” is not exactly immune on the election manipulations, what to expect from the small Balkan country, in the middle of the war, victim of the economic isolation, surrounded by the powerful enemies from all sides, impoverished, victim of the special war espionage, propaganda, infiltrations and other regime change actions.
It wasn’t normal situation. Any country in similar situation would most certainly go through the period of detoriation of individual freedoms. Look at the US, how they reacted to perceived treaths, (much smaller then what we went through). Their secret services can now legally “preventively” imprison anyone, for unlimited time, without evidence.

S.M. was not dictator. There was a Parliament with vocal opposition parties, elections opposition media… All of that doesn’t exist in the dictature.

He was not a nationalist. On the contrary, he tried to preserve SFRY. He never sad anything negative against any ethnic group. Even in that many times manipulated speech in Kosovo Polje, where he’s enemies took one sentence out of context, he was actually very consiolatory. He praised ethnic diversity as something positive, something that need to be protected and developed. Anyone who heard or read complete speech could see that.

“…Society was criminalised at the time of his rule - and is still suffering today…”

I you sure that he is responsible for the criminalization? Nothing to do with a situation? You now, unimportant details such as a war, economic blockade, poverty, huge number of refuges e.c.t. , e.c.t. Is there any society any where in the world, that wouldn’t become criminalized to the certain degree in that kind of circumstances?

“… His family stole millions of euros from the Serbian people…”

Could you recommend some kind of evidence for all these accusations?

What would you do in his place?