"Hague, Kosovo shouldn't be misused for elections"

Quite why Tadic fails to understand this reflects a great deal on the weakness of a President who seems self disrespecting, weak and unproud and carries this through for the nation of Serbia! Pride is an emotion, how you control it is unemotional sure however, one needs to have pride in the first place and that seems lacking from the top!

Frankly everyone in Serbia beyond Tadic et al knows the reality of the Hague and I think someone put it quite well the other day:-

The Hague is set up under the mission statement of;

Innocent until proven Serb!

Mr. Tadic's opinion of the hague is completly in line with his method of governing: just as he would have the hague make the streets in Serbia safer, so he does not have to he would also like Nato to rule Serbia, so he does not have to. Many people will vote for tadic holding their nose, later they will realize that this is not their proudest moment, they will realize that Tadic will do nothing for Serbia and they will mistakenly blame him.

If Mr. Canak and Mr Tadic form the next government, it shall be the fault of the electorate.

Bagnon

Please tone your rhetoric down. We have had pleasant disagreements in the past where neither of us resorted to calling each other's opinions Propaganda and asking each other person why things are said that we know are not true.

To answer your question, I stand by my opinion. My opinion on Kosovo did not change after the presidential election, my opinion did not form coalitions with Canak and my opinion does not interfere with the right of Serbs in Kosovo to participate in the election.

Further, the temporary damage you fear Nikolic may do to the economy is far less than the permanent damage Westernizers would do to Serbia's sovereignty and borders.

I do not share your fear in economic damage done by a new government; firstly things can not be managed worse than Mr. Tadic's coalition has since the parliament fell. Stopping highways and pipelines is not the way for Tadic to help Serbia. I fear a weak coalition government are going to create a weak economy.
Finally, the idea of Serbia being isolated for not rewarding Tadic's impotence is a creation of DS spin doctors. Serbs are free to vote for whomever they want, and I hope they don't want Tadic

Please respond in your usual calm and constructive manner.

Tadic knows that he will get a drubbing from the K-Serbs on May 11th.

baganon, I think Serbia is ready for change. And I think that it may bad news for you. I was also a Tadic & co supporter, but seeing he is week and going to sellout Serbia to the West, I will take my chances with SRS/DSS.

Bagnon, who said that the country will decline if the SRS/DSS win. Do you belive that it was only Tadic that knows how to run a Democratic country. Tadic is viewed as a weak president by the west. Nikolic is not.

Under normal circumstances all those accused of war crimes should be held accountable for their actions in a court of law.
Unfortunately, due recent events (and some suspect decisions of the past) the Hague tribunal has no shred of credibility left. It would be a travesty of justice to continue handing over the indicted to this institution.

There are no sacred cows pre election campaigning Serbia needs to know who will secure Kosovo and it's future.

Well on the issue of the Hague I think that Tadic should consider ensuring that trials in Serbia are held against remaining indictees, rather than their going to the Hague. Provided a fair trial is given, this is legitimate.

I agree on the general point that dirty campaigning is going on regarding Kosovo and the EU but a request to stop this campaigning won't have any effect.

Marko I would not say that Nikolic / Seselj / Kostunica wants Russia to rule Serbia. Your kind of propaganda is part of the dirty campaign. If you are confident that SRS / DSS can win then why are you saying things you know are not true?

If SRS / DSS win watch the economy go down the tubes as unemployment and inflation rises and foreign investment and growth decreases.

There is no middle no third way...
Your choice will be Russia or Eu ...There is no way out since the situation in Europe is this one

To use the old cliche,"Lie down with dogs, & you get up scratching with flees". Mr Tadic you brought this upon yourself. You promised so much (by being the mouth piece for the West) & delivered nil. And yet you continue in the same manner. As one Serbian to another, I ask you PLEASE cease insulting the intelligence of all Serb's. Game's up!

Tadic's foolishly naive comment puts a spotlight on the strings that dictate Tadic's every move. The Hague and Kosovo not only should be "used" in this election, they must be made the central issues.

First, the Hague's acquittal of the Albanian Haradinaj finally puts a full stop to any discussion that might still have been in progress inside the Belgrade Zoo's primates' cage about the "impartiality" of Western "justice".

As for the "Kosovo" issue, if that is not the fundamental and central issue of this election, what in the world is?

The true reason that Tadic objects to meaningful discussion of these two issues is that both serve as a window on the inner emptiness of the political and social program of the DS collaborators that the U.S. permanent establishment aims to foist upon the Serbian people as their new "leaders".

Tadic's case is far worse than that of the proverbial emperor who was shown up to have no clothes. In Tadic's case we have a pitiful collaborator and remote-controlled puppet who thinks he can once again fool the Serbian people into re-electing him and his opportunistic gang to power.

There is no lie so big, Mr. Tadic, that it can camouflage the naked truth about who backs you and the lengths to which you will go to serve your "Euro-Atlantic" bosses.

Good luck with your future employment, Mr. Tadic, whatever it might be.

Sincerely,

John Bosnitch

Delije I agree with you Serbia is ready for a change and not for another term in office for Kostunica DSS, or with him as Prime Minister, again!

The fact that the country will decline with a SRS / DSS win is not bad news for me. Its bad news for Serbian citizens.

Personally I stand to benefit financially from a Nikolic win. But I do feel sorry for those who are being manipulated.

Delije no I believe that SRS do not know how to run a prosperous and democratic country. I believe that they have not reformed enough. I feel quite sure they will be ready next time - once they have abandoned Seselj and moved forward. They have not changed enough.

I am certain that Serbia will decline if SRS take power. Its my job to know these kinds of things. There will be some limited benefit to exporters though because the value of the dinar will fall if SRS does win and form a government. It will be excellent for anybody paid in Euros.

The rest of the economy will suffer as spending is reduced, inflation will rise as public spending will be increased.

Economic growth will decline, unemployment will increase, as will prices.

Now you know, so don't say I didn't warn you.

If you have some money I advise you to invest in the stock market the week after a Nikolic victory.

If you want I can list other potential benefits of a Nikolic victory but there are not many. For example if the dinar does fall in value, everybody who took out credit will have to make much higher payments. Some could lose their houses. But I expect the dinar to stabilise a couple of weeks after Nikolic victory - unless international investors take an even dimmer view than I do.

One shouldn't see only the party heads, but also who surrounds them inside the party. They are going to be ministers etc and the people that will do most of the daily work.

Serbia is in a state of a national cathastrophe. It lost so much! Now it could either shout: "It's not over yet", and mobilise its remaining resorses in order to reverse some of the "losses". Or it could reconcile and search for ways to accomodate itself in the new surrowndings! Most Serbs believed all of former Yugoslavia to be their country. So to them every secession of a former republic or entity was perceved as a loss. At the same time they were dumbfied why other "nations", even "minorities" were given a chance to secede, while Serbs living otside of rump Serbia were not alowed to "remain" within their country. The simple rule of the new (after 1945) world order, that every territory, perceved as "country" has a right of selfdetermination (the oposite being imperialism)while no 'people". no matter how numerous have that right, for that is considered seperatism or aparteit. The West persisted in insisting for "preservation of the territorial integrity of Yugoslavia" months after it had ceased to exist ( the Germans were only the first to realise it!). But once they accepted that there is no more Yugoslavia, the legitimacy could fall on NO OTHER entities, than the Republics ( and in the spacial case of Kosovo, the former self-governing Province) It was the Serbs who refused to accept this transfer of sovereignity, and that is the sole reason they were seen as the culprits!

How can you guys talk about Hague and its legitimacy - you are the ones who started the wars in ex- Yugo - you are the ones who killed 7 thousand bosniaks in Srebernica and you are the only ones from ex - Yugo not to surrender the Hague criminals
so please you did not had the courage even to go to Hague so please just dont say anything and try to send Serbia to EU

Marko I think its valid to ask somebody why he might say something he knows not to be true. As far as I'm concerned there is no taboo subject.

For my part I'm honest about my opinions. There are no mindless slogans being expressed on my part. I don't try to manipulate people by playing with their emotions and so on.

Take for example your (and others)mentioning Canak as a 'hate' word. Did you (and they) take their cue from Kostunica? Is this tactic not one straight out of DSS propaganda book? It does seem odd that nobody thought to mention Canak before the couple of weeks before DSS did. I note that even SRS are not taking part in this and other cheap tricks currently being used by Vojislav Kostunica. Other tricks being musing on whether Tadic in fact supports Kosovo independence and will do recognise upon election. I ask you, is that clearly a lie or not?

It is perfectly valid to raise these questions and normal for some of us not to feel ok about it happening.

The highway you mention and pipeline are bad examples. The highway company from Austria didn't see fit to give financial guarantee that any self respecting nation (ok this is manipulation) would seek. This was a duty of the company and ensures that the Serbian taxpayer wouldn't have to foot the bill if something went wrong.
The gas pipeline isn't due to be built whether it is signed now or in a month and a half.
Besides my (business) opinion is that Serbia should re-neotiate and have the same deal except has a majority share 51 percent. The Russians would agree and it makes better business sense for Serbia.

Well on the issue of the Hague I think that Tadic should consider ensuring that trials in Serbia are held against remaining indictees, rather than their going to the Hague. Provided a fair trial is given, this is legitimate.

I agree on the general point that dirty campaigning is going on regarding Kosovo and the EU but a request to stop this campaigning won't have any effect.

Marko I would not say that Nikolic / Seselj / Kostunica wants Russia to rule Serbia. Your kind of propaganda is part of the dirty campaign. If you are confident that SRS / DSS can win then why are you saying things you know are not true?

If SRS / DSS win watch the economy go down the tubes as unemployment and inflation rises and foreign investment and growth decreases.

There is no middle no third way...
Your choice will be Russia or Eu ...There is no way out since the situation in Europe is this one

Delije no I believe that SRS do not know how to run a prosperous and democratic country. I believe that they have not reformed enough. I feel quite sure they will be ready next time - once they have abandoned Seselj and moved forward. They have not changed enough.

I am certain that Serbia will decline if SRS take power. Its my job to know these kinds of things. There will be some limited benefit to exporters though because the value of the dinar will fall if SRS does win and form a government. It will be excellent for anybody paid in Euros.

The rest of the economy will suffer as spending is reduced, inflation will rise as public spending will be increased.

Economic growth will decline, unemployment will increase, as will prices.

Now you know, so don't say I didn't warn you.

If you have some money I advise you to invest in the stock market the week after a Nikolic victory.

If you want I can list other potential benefits of a Nikolic victory but there are not many. For example if the dinar does fall in value, everybody who took out credit will have to make much higher payments. Some could lose their houses. But I expect the dinar to stabilise a couple of weeks after Nikolic victory - unless international investors take an even dimmer view than I do.

One shouldn't see only the party heads, but also who surrounds them inside the party. They are going to be ministers etc and the people that will do most of the daily work.

Delije I agree with you Serbia is ready for a change and not for another term in office for Kostunica DSS, or with him as Prime Minister, again!

The fact that the country will decline with a SRS / DSS win is not bad news for me. Its bad news for Serbian citizens.

Personally I stand to benefit financially from a Nikolic win. But I do feel sorry for those who are being manipulated.

Quite why Tadic fails to understand this reflects a great deal on the weakness of a President who seems self disrespecting, weak and unproud and carries this through for the nation of Serbia! Pride is an emotion, how you control it is unemotional sure however, one needs to have pride in the first place and that seems lacking from the top!

Frankly everyone in Serbia beyond Tadic et al knows the reality of the Hague and I think someone put it quite well the other day:-

The Hague is set up under the mission statement of;

Innocent until proven Serb!

Tadic knows that he will get a drubbing from the K-Serbs on May 11th.

Mr. Tadic's opinion of the hague is completly in line with his method of governing: just as he would have the hague make the streets in Serbia safer, so he does not have to he would also like Nato to rule Serbia, so he does not have to. Many people will vote for tadic holding their nose, later they will realize that this is not their proudest moment, they will realize that Tadic will do nothing for Serbia and they will mistakenly blame him.

If Mr. Canak and Mr Tadic form the next government, it shall be the fault of the electorate.

baganon, I think Serbia is ready for change. And I think that it may bad news for you. I was also a Tadic & co supporter, but seeing he is week and going to sellout Serbia to the West, I will take my chances with SRS/DSS.

Bagnon, who said that the country will decline if the SRS/DSS win. Do you belive that it was only Tadic that knows how to run a Democratic country. Tadic is viewed as a weak president by the west. Nikolic is not.

Bagnon

Please tone your rhetoric down. We have had pleasant disagreements in the past where neither of us resorted to calling each other's opinions Propaganda and asking each other person why things are said that we know are not true.

To answer your question, I stand by my opinion. My opinion on Kosovo did not change after the presidential election, my opinion did not form coalitions with Canak and my opinion does not interfere with the right of Serbs in Kosovo to participate in the election.

Further, the temporary damage you fear Nikolic may do to the economy is far less than the permanent damage Westernizers would do to Serbia's sovereignty and borders.

I do not share your fear in economic damage done by a new government; firstly things can not be managed worse than Mr. Tadic's coalition has since the parliament fell. Stopping highways and pipelines is not the way for Tadic to help Serbia. I fear a weak coalition government are going to create a weak economy.
Finally, the idea of Serbia being isolated for not rewarding Tadic's impotence is a creation of DS spin doctors. Serbs are free to vote for whomever they want, and I hope they don't want Tadic

Please respond in your usual calm and constructive manner.

Under normal circumstances all those accused of war crimes should be held accountable for their actions in a court of law.
Unfortunately, due recent events (and some suspect decisions of the past) the Hague tribunal has no shred of credibility left. It would be a travesty of justice to continue handing over the indicted to this institution.

There are no sacred cows pre election campaigning Serbia needs to know who will secure Kosovo and it's future.

Marko I think its valid to ask somebody why he might say something he knows not to be true. As far as I'm concerned there is no taboo subject.

For my part I'm honest about my opinions. There are no mindless slogans being expressed on my part. I don't try to manipulate people by playing with their emotions and so on.

Take for example your (and others)mentioning Canak as a 'hate' word. Did you (and they) take their cue from Kostunica? Is this tactic not one straight out of DSS propaganda book? It does seem odd that nobody thought to mention Canak before the couple of weeks before DSS did. I note that even SRS are not taking part in this and other cheap tricks currently being used by Vojislav Kostunica. Other tricks being musing on whether Tadic in fact supports Kosovo independence and will do recognise upon election. I ask you, is that clearly a lie or not?

It is perfectly valid to raise these questions and normal for some of us not to feel ok about it happening.

The highway you mention and pipeline are bad examples. The highway company from Austria didn't see fit to give financial guarantee that any self respecting nation (ok this is manipulation) would seek. This was a duty of the company and ensures that the Serbian taxpayer wouldn't have to foot the bill if something went wrong.
The gas pipeline isn't due to be built whether it is signed now or in a month and a half.
Besides my (business) opinion is that Serbia should re-neotiate and have the same deal except has a majority share 51 percent. The Russians would agree and it makes better business sense for Serbia.

To use the old cliche,"Lie down with dogs, & you get up scratching with flees". Mr Tadic you brought this upon yourself. You promised so much (by being the mouth piece for the West) & delivered nil. And yet you continue in the same manner. As one Serbian to another, I ask you PLEASE cease insulting the intelligence of all Serb's. Game's up!

Tadic's foolishly naive comment puts a spotlight on the strings that dictate Tadic's every move. The Hague and Kosovo not only should be "used" in this election, they must be made the central issues.

First, the Hague's acquittal of the Albanian Haradinaj finally puts a full stop to any discussion that might still have been in progress inside the Belgrade Zoo's primates' cage about the "impartiality" of Western "justice".

As for the "Kosovo" issue, if that is not the fundamental and central issue of this election, what in the world is?

The true reason that Tadic objects to meaningful discussion of these two issues is that both serve as a window on the inner emptiness of the political and social program of the DS collaborators that the U.S. permanent establishment aims to foist upon the Serbian people as their new "leaders".

Tadic's case is far worse than that of the proverbial emperor who was shown up to have no clothes. In Tadic's case we have a pitiful collaborator and remote-controlled puppet who thinks he can once again fool the Serbian people into re-electing him and his opportunistic gang to power.

There is no lie so big, Mr. Tadic, that it can camouflage the naked truth about who backs you and the lengths to which you will go to serve your "Euro-Atlantic" bosses.

Good luck with your future employment, Mr. Tadic, whatever it might be.

Sincerely,

John Bosnitch

Serbia is in a state of a national cathastrophe. It lost so much! Now it could either shout: "It's not over yet", and mobilise its remaining resorses in order to reverse some of the "losses". Or it could reconcile and search for ways to accomodate itself in the new surrowndings! Most Serbs believed all of former Yugoslavia to be their country. So to them every secession of a former republic or entity was perceved as a loss. At the same time they were dumbfied why other "nations", even "minorities" were given a chance to secede, while Serbs living otside of rump Serbia were not alowed to "remain" within their country. The simple rule of the new (after 1945) world order, that every territory, perceved as "country" has a right of selfdetermination (the oposite being imperialism)while no 'people". no matter how numerous have that right, for that is considered seperatism or aparteit. The West persisted in insisting for "preservation of the territorial integrity of Yugoslavia" months after it had ceased to exist ( the Germans were only the first to realise it!). But once they accepted that there is no more Yugoslavia, the legitimacy could fall on NO OTHER entities, than the Republics ( and in the spacial case of Kosovo, the former self-governing Province) It was the Serbs who refused to accept this transfer of sovereignity, and that is the sole reason they were seen as the culprits!

How can you guys talk about Hague and its legitimacy - you are the ones who started the wars in ex- Yugo - you are the ones who killed 7 thousand bosniaks in Srebernica and you are the only ones from ex - Yugo not to surrender the Hague criminals
so please you did not had the courage even to go to Hague so please just dont say anything and try to send Serbia to EU