dear gaz,uk.
what are you talking about, there is no such as a 'kosova nationality'. they are albanians by their own defintion.
it would be good to find out how many serbs were displaced from kosovo, so let them all vote wherever they live now; however i doubt will ever find out just how many serbs were driven out of kosovo since world war II. the albanian influx and harassment of serbs has been active since then (even before that) and ever increasing.
i have first-hand knowledge of this harrasment back in 1975, and the reason it was unable to be dealt with (even by federal police)was because the local police in kosovo would drop charges and release any albanians as soon as their arrester's and victims left the police station (and if it was a major issue and somehow made it to court- the local judges weren't very different to the local police). so don't tell me about so-called oppression of albanians in kosovo. tell me about the systematic forced displacement of the serbs who were there in the first place, not the albanians who border jumped and victimised (read; ethnically cleansed) the serbs from decades ago.
the population of kosovo should be cross-referenced to find out where tey were born/when they arrived and from where, and why they came to acquire the local serbian houses and lands (land&title search?) and for what price they purchased it if any money was transacted at all- and i know most of the properties were forcibly acquired (and the rightful owners were sometimes lucky to leave WITH their lives).
Lets see what happens next!
I dont thin Samardzic has got the final word on whether something should take place in Kosovo or not!
Gov of Belgrade and Pristina differ alot in their views!
Why would Albanian-Serbs living in Presevo Valley vote for local gov'ts in Kosovo? Why would a Serb living in Kosovo vote for a mayor in Vojvodina? It doesn't make sense. An Albanian-Serb living in Presevo Valley can care less about some vote in Kosovo, because they don't live in that province. However if they are voting for a prime minister or president then every person, race, nationality should have that option and right.
Albanian-Serbs living in Kosovo should vote as well in these elections.
Dear oh dear. You fail to see why your comment makes no sense, so let me tell you why.
If the Albanians in Presevo Valley were to vote in Kosovo elections, you first need to assume Kosovo is actually independent. Assuming it is independent, those Albanians in Presevo Valley would need citizenship of Kosovo in order to be able to vote in Kosovo elections.
As for Kosovo Serbs voting in Serbian elections there is nothing wrong with that because they are Serbian citizens and therfore have that right.
(Nenad from Melbourne, 30 March 2008 13:37) "
Nenad your logic is flowed. You are the ones that Kosovo/a is Serbia. Now if that is the case the Albanians in the Presheva valley do not need any new citizenship because, according to you they are voting for elections within the same state. The Serb posters here claim that Serbs from Kosova/o can vote for the Serbian elections because Kosova/o is Serbia. Then by the same reasoning since Kosova/o is Serbia the Albanians of Presheva valley should be able to freely vote for the elections in Kosova/o. You Serbs talk about how the worls sets double standards for you, but you are the first ones to set double standards for the people you believe are part of your state.
Nenad, my argument would make no sense at all, if and only if Serbia and Serbian posters here consider Kosova/o to be an independent state. Then and only then what you say is true, that Albanians in the Presheva valley need to have dual citizenship. However Serbia does not consider Kosova/o to be independent, thus Albanians in the Presheva Valley should be allowed and free to vote in the elections of Kosova/o.
My point is that you cannot claim for injustice when you at the same time are unjust.
Nenad from Melbourne replied to Johhny:
Dear oh dear. You fail to see why your comment makes no sense, so let me tell you why.
If the Albanians in Presevo Valley were to vote in Kosovo elections, you first need to assume Kosovo is actually independent. Assuming it is independent, those Albanians in Presevo Valley would need citizenship of Kosovo in order to be able to vote in Kosovo elections.
As for Kosovo Serbs voting in Serbian elections there is nothing wrong with that because they are Serbian citizens and therefore have that right.
(Nenad from Melbourne, 30 March 2008 13:37)
Nenade….. let me tell you why the Serbs from Kosovo cannot vote for the Serbian elections now.
Kosovo is an Independent Country now and those Serbs in Kosovo have a Kosovan nationality, unlike here in the UK where you can have a dual nationality I don’t think you can vote in the Balkans for elections in two different countries as yet.
Dear oh dear. You fail to see why your comment makes no sense, so let me tell you why.
If the Albanians in Presevo Valley were to vote in Kosovo elections, you first need to assume Kosovo is actually independent. Assuming it is independent, those Albanians in Presevo Valley would need citizenship of Kosovo in order to be able to vote in Kosovo elections.
As for Kosovo Serbs voting in Serbian elections there is nothing wrong with that because they are Serbian citizens and therfore have that right.
"I wouldn't mind have a trouble maker that encourages people to vote!
(Gojko, 29 March 2008 19:18) "
Or burn embassies, and call that legal.
By the way Serbs voting in Kosova/o for Serbian elections does not necessarily mean Kosova/o is part of Serbia. If that is how you Serbs like to see it, that is another matter. Here in the US, Italians vote for Italian elections. Brazilians vote for Brazilian elections etc etc. However it does not mean that the US or any part of the US is part of Italy or part of Brazil.
I myself don't see anything wrong with Serbs in Kosova/o voting for the Serbian elections. However if Serbs claim Kosova/o is still Serbia, then there would be nothing wrong if the Albanians in the Presheva valley voted for elections that take place i Kosova/o. However Serbs would never like to see that happen and would be very annoyed by it. Then I can't help but wonder why the Serbs consider it to be ok for the Serbs of Kosova/o to vote in the Serbian elections and not for the Albanians of Presheva to vote in the elections of Kosova/o. I mean, you are the ones that claim that Kosova/o is Serbia so what is the big deal with not allowing Albanians of Presheva to vote for elections in Kosova/o if according to you its all within the same state.
I guess some people would rather live in a dictatorship than a democracy.
Keep up the good work Samardžić! Let people vote for whom they chose in their own country of Kosovo INSIDE of Serbia. Some people want to surpress minorities like Albanian-Serbs do.
I wouldn't mind have a trouble maker that encourages people to vote!
Mr Samardzic is not troublemaker but stated the very obvious fact-there will be elections in Serbian Province Kosmet. Don’t forget that resolution 1244 which is still in force and very much alive and valid, reaffirms that Kosmet is Serbian southern province and as such inseparable part of Serbia. Serbia does not recognise its province as independent and thus have all possible rights to interpret resolution in right way. Since resolution clearly and explicitly says that Kosmet province is part of Serbia there is no reason for withholding elections in our province. It is important to keep everything in line with 1244 resolution and we do it well.
Mr Samardzic is not troublemaker but stated the very obvious fact-there will be elections in Serbian Province Kosmet. Don’t forget that resolution 1244 which is still in force and very much alive and valid, reaffirms that Kosmet is Serbian southern province and as such inseparable part of Serbia. Serbia does not recognise its province as independent and thus have all possible rights to interpret resolution in right way. Since resolution clearly and explicitly says that Kosmet province is part of Serbia there is no reason for withholding elections in our province. It is important to keep everything in line with 1244 resolution and we do it well.
I guess some people would rather live in a dictatorship than a democracy.
Keep up the good work Samardžić! Let people vote for whom they chose in their own country of Kosovo INSIDE of Serbia. Some people want to surpress minorities like Albanian-Serbs do.
I wouldn't mind have a trouble maker that encourages people to vote!
"I wouldn't mind have a trouble maker that encourages people to vote!
(Gojko, 29 March 2008 19:18) "
Or burn embassies, and call that legal.
By the way Serbs voting in Kosova/o for Serbian elections does not necessarily mean Kosova/o is part of Serbia. If that is how you Serbs like to see it, that is another matter. Here in the US, Italians vote for Italian elections. Brazilians vote for Brazilian elections etc etc. However it does not mean that the US or any part of the US is part of Italy or part of Brazil.
I myself don't see anything wrong with Serbs in Kosova/o voting for the Serbian elections. However if Serbs claim Kosova/o is still Serbia, then there would be nothing wrong if the Albanians in the Presheva valley voted for elections that take place i Kosova/o. However Serbs would never like to see that happen and would be very annoyed by it. Then I can't help but wonder why the Serbs consider it to be ok for the Serbs of Kosova/o to vote in the Serbian elections and not for the Albanians of Presheva to vote in the elections of Kosova/o. I mean, you are the ones that claim that Kosova/o is Serbia so what is the big deal with not allowing Albanians of Presheva to vote for elections in Kosova/o if according to you its all within the same state.
Dear oh dear. You fail to see why your comment makes no sense, so let me tell you why.
If the Albanians in Presevo Valley were to vote in Kosovo elections, you first need to assume Kosovo is actually independent. Assuming it is independent, those Albanians in Presevo Valley would need citizenship of Kosovo in order to be able to vote in Kosovo elections.
As for Kosovo Serbs voting in Serbian elections there is nothing wrong with that because they are Serbian citizens and therfore have that right.
Nenad from Melbourne replied to Johhny:
Dear oh dear. You fail to see why your comment makes no sense, so let me tell you why.
If the Albanians in Presevo Valley were to vote in Kosovo elections, you first need to assume Kosovo is actually independent. Assuming it is independent, those Albanians in Presevo Valley would need citizenship of Kosovo in order to be able to vote in Kosovo elections.
As for Kosovo Serbs voting in Serbian elections there is nothing wrong with that because they are Serbian citizens and therefore have that right.
(Nenad from Melbourne, 30 March 2008 13:37)
Nenade….. let me tell you why the Serbs from Kosovo cannot vote for the Serbian elections now.
Kosovo is an Independent Country now and those Serbs in Kosovo have a Kosovan nationality, unlike here in the UK where you can have a dual nationality I don’t think you can vote in the Balkans for elections in two different countries as yet.
Dear oh dear. You fail to see why your comment makes no sense, so let me tell you why.
If the Albanians in Presevo Valley were to vote in Kosovo elections, you first need to assume Kosovo is actually independent. Assuming it is independent, those Albanians in Presevo Valley would need citizenship of Kosovo in order to be able to vote in Kosovo elections.
As for Kosovo Serbs voting in Serbian elections there is nothing wrong with that because they are Serbian citizens and therfore have that right.
(Nenad from Melbourne, 30 March 2008 13:37) "
Nenad your logic is flowed. You are the ones that Kosovo/a is Serbia. Now if that is the case the Albanians in the Presheva valley do not need any new citizenship because, according to you they are voting for elections within the same state. The Serb posters here claim that Serbs from Kosova/o can vote for the Serbian elections because Kosova/o is Serbia. Then by the same reasoning since Kosova/o is Serbia the Albanians of Presheva valley should be able to freely vote for the elections in Kosova/o. You Serbs talk about how the worls sets double standards for you, but you are the first ones to set double standards for the people you believe are part of your state.
Nenad, my argument would make no sense at all, if and only if Serbia and Serbian posters here consider Kosova/o to be an independent state. Then and only then what you say is true, that Albanians in the Presheva valley need to have dual citizenship. However Serbia does not consider Kosova/o to be independent, thus Albanians in the Presheva Valley should be allowed and free to vote in the elections of Kosova/o.
My point is that you cannot claim for injustice when you at the same time are unjust.
Why would Albanian-Serbs living in Presevo Valley vote for local gov'ts in Kosovo? Why would a Serb living in Kosovo vote for a mayor in Vojvodina? It doesn't make sense. An Albanian-Serb living in Presevo Valley can care less about some vote in Kosovo, because they don't live in that province. However if they are voting for a prime minister or president then every person, race, nationality should have that option and right.
Albanian-Serbs living in Kosovo should vote as well in these elections.
Lets see what happens next!
I dont thin Samardzic has got the final word on whether something should take place in Kosovo or not!
Gov of Belgrade and Pristina differ alot in their views!
dear gaz,uk.
what are you talking about, there is no such as a 'kosova nationality'. they are albanians by their own defintion.
it would be good to find out how many serbs were displaced from kosovo, so let them all vote wherever they live now; however i doubt will ever find out just how many serbs were driven out of kosovo since world war II. the albanian influx and harassment of serbs has been active since then (even before that) and ever increasing.
i have first-hand knowledge of this harrasment back in 1975, and the reason it was unable to be dealt with (even by federal police)was because the local police in kosovo would drop charges and release any albanians as soon as their arrester's and victims left the police station (and if it was a major issue and somehow made it to court- the local judges weren't very different to the local police). so don't tell me about so-called oppression of albanians in kosovo. tell me about the systematic forced displacement of the serbs who were there in the first place, not the albanians who border jumped and victimised (read; ethnically cleansed) the serbs from decades ago.
the population of kosovo should be cross-referenced to find out where tey were born/when they arrived and from where, and why they came to acquire the local serbian houses and lands (land&title search?) and for what price they purchased it if any money was transacted at all- and i know most of the properties were forcibly acquired (and the rightful owners were sometimes lucky to leave WITH their lives).
"I wouldn't mind have a trouble maker that encourages people to vote!
(Gojko, 29 March 2008 19:18) "
Or burn embassies, and call that legal.
By the way Serbs voting in Kosova/o for Serbian elections does not necessarily mean Kosova/o is part of Serbia. If that is how you Serbs like to see it, that is another matter. Here in the US, Italians vote for Italian elections. Brazilians vote for Brazilian elections etc etc. However it does not mean that the US or any part of the US is part of Italy or part of Brazil.
I myself don't see anything wrong with Serbs in Kosova/o voting for the Serbian elections. However if Serbs claim Kosova/o is still Serbia, then there would be nothing wrong if the Albanians in the Presheva valley voted for elections that take place i Kosova/o. However Serbs would never like to see that happen and would be very annoyed by it. Then I can't help but wonder why the Serbs consider it to be ok for the Serbs of Kosova/o to vote in the Serbian elections and not for the Albanians of Presheva to vote in the elections of Kosova/o. I mean, you are the ones that claim that Kosova/o is Serbia so what is the big deal with not allowing Albanians of Presheva to vote for elections in Kosova/o if according to you its all within the same state.
Mr Samardzic is not troublemaker but stated the very obvious fact-there will be elections in Serbian Province Kosmet. Don’t forget that resolution 1244 which is still in force and very much alive and valid, reaffirms that Kosmet is Serbian southern province and as such inseparable part of Serbia. Serbia does not recognise its province as independent and thus have all possible rights to interpret resolution in right way. Since resolution clearly and explicitly says that Kosmet province is part of Serbia there is no reason for withholding elections in our province. It is important to keep everything in line with 1244 resolution and we do it well.
I guess some people would rather live in a dictatorship than a democracy.
Keep up the good work Samardžić! Let people vote for whom they chose in their own country of Kosovo INSIDE of Serbia. Some people want to surpress minorities like Albanian-Serbs do.
I wouldn't mind have a trouble maker that encourages people to vote!
Dear oh dear. You fail to see why your comment makes no sense, so let me tell you why.
If the Albanians in Presevo Valley were to vote in Kosovo elections, you first need to assume Kosovo is actually independent. Assuming it is independent, those Albanians in Presevo Valley would need citizenship of Kosovo in order to be able to vote in Kosovo elections.
As for Kosovo Serbs voting in Serbian elections there is nothing wrong with that because they are Serbian citizens and therfore have that right.
Nenad from Melbourne replied to Johhny:
Dear oh dear. You fail to see why your comment makes no sense, so let me tell you why.
If the Albanians in Presevo Valley were to vote in Kosovo elections, you first need to assume Kosovo is actually independent. Assuming it is independent, those Albanians in Presevo Valley would need citizenship of Kosovo in order to be able to vote in Kosovo elections.
As for Kosovo Serbs voting in Serbian elections there is nothing wrong with that because they are Serbian citizens and therefore have that right.
(Nenad from Melbourne, 30 March 2008 13:37)
Nenade….. let me tell you why the Serbs from Kosovo cannot vote for the Serbian elections now.
Kosovo is an Independent Country now and those Serbs in Kosovo have a Kosovan nationality, unlike here in the UK where you can have a dual nationality I don’t think you can vote in the Balkans for elections in two different countries as yet.
Dear oh dear. You fail to see why your comment makes no sense, so let me tell you why.
If the Albanians in Presevo Valley were to vote in Kosovo elections, you first need to assume Kosovo is actually independent. Assuming it is independent, those Albanians in Presevo Valley would need citizenship of Kosovo in order to be able to vote in Kosovo elections.
As for Kosovo Serbs voting in Serbian elections there is nothing wrong with that because they are Serbian citizens and therfore have that right.
(Nenad from Melbourne, 30 March 2008 13:37) "
Nenad your logic is flowed. You are the ones that Kosovo/a is Serbia. Now if that is the case the Albanians in the Presheva valley do not need any new citizenship because, according to you they are voting for elections within the same state. The Serb posters here claim that Serbs from Kosova/o can vote for the Serbian elections because Kosova/o is Serbia. Then by the same reasoning since Kosova/o is Serbia the Albanians of Presheva valley should be able to freely vote for the elections in Kosova/o. You Serbs talk about how the worls sets double standards for you, but you are the first ones to set double standards for the people you believe are part of your state.
Nenad, my argument would make no sense at all, if and only if Serbia and Serbian posters here consider Kosova/o to be an independent state. Then and only then what you say is true, that Albanians in the Presheva valley need to have dual citizenship. However Serbia does not consider Kosova/o to be independent, thus Albanians in the Presheva Valley should be allowed and free to vote in the elections of Kosova/o.
My point is that you cannot claim for injustice when you at the same time are unjust.
Why would Albanian-Serbs living in Presevo Valley vote for local gov'ts in Kosovo? Why would a Serb living in Kosovo vote for a mayor in Vojvodina? It doesn't make sense. An Albanian-Serb living in Presevo Valley can care less about some vote in Kosovo, because they don't live in that province. However if they are voting for a prime minister or president then every person, race, nationality should have that option and right.
Albanian-Serbs living in Kosovo should vote as well in these elections.
Lets see what happens next!
I dont thin Samardzic has got the final word on whether something should take place in Kosovo or not!
Gov of Belgrade and Pristina differ alot in their views!
dear gaz,uk.
what are you talking about, there is no such as a 'kosova nationality'. they are albanians by their own defintion.
it would be good to find out how many serbs were displaced from kosovo, so let them all vote wherever they live now; however i doubt will ever find out just how many serbs were driven out of kosovo since world war II. the albanian influx and harassment of serbs has been active since then (even before that) and ever increasing.
i have first-hand knowledge of this harrasment back in 1975, and the reason it was unable to be dealt with (even by federal police)was because the local police in kosovo would drop charges and release any albanians as soon as their arrester's and victims left the police station (and if it was a major issue and somehow made it to court- the local judges weren't very different to the local police). so don't tell me about so-called oppression of albanians in kosovo. tell me about the systematic forced displacement of the serbs who were there in the first place, not the albanians who border jumped and victimised (read; ethnically cleansed) the serbs from decades ago.
the population of kosovo should be cross-referenced to find out where tey were born/when they arrived and from where, and why they came to acquire the local serbian houses and lands (land&title search?) and for what price they purchased it if any money was transacted at all- and i know most of the properties were forcibly acquired (and the rightful owners were sometimes lucky to leave WITH their lives).
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