"Kosovo independence has solved no problems"

Yes, give it time and the US will be forced back to the negotiating table with a blushed face.

Russia once again speaks with complete logic.

Simple, concise, crystal clear... I'm always amazed at the sheer superiority of the Russian diplomats compared to their European and American counterparts who look like .

This is something I have to admit in spite of my country having some historic problems with Russia. It's just honest to say it.

Respect deserved, Sir!

"“The Belgrade proposal, to our knowledge, does not mention the issue of partition of Kosovo. It concerns cooperation between Belgrade and the UN mission in the interests of implementing Resolution 1244, which envisages assistance to national minorities,” Chizhov explained. "

- absolutely right it is the EU pushed on by the US and NATO that are imposing their partition within partion through their illegal INLEX (lawless) mission which has no UN sanction or invitation. That the ethnic-Albanians who illegally declared dependence on their creators does not resolve anything it merely creates ever greater instability - very predicatable and will cause many unpredicatble consequences that the US and EU are ill prepared for seeing as they choose to act outside of international norms and laws.

“However, recognition of the unilateral independence declaration by thirty or so states out of 200 does not solve the problem. Kosovo’s status will remain undetermined until a stable international-legal solution is found,” the Russian diplomat predicted.



Precisely, but this is not what the US had in mind from the start, the legality of "kosova" is not an issue for NATO or the US since by creating the scenario which we now have they are in a far more commanding position than any of "kosova"'s leaders. The Albanians are completely dependant on the US.


The Russian envoy has said in clear and simple terms which are unquestionably true that this forced carving of the Serbian province of Kosovo and Metohija is completely farcical which anyone with any sort of moral or common sense can agree.

TO : Felix, Romania

If you mean the period of 1940-1944 it's better to forget what has happened then. We close our eyes at your big crimes and you better close yours at our smaller one. Anyway you have a chance to swallow back Moldova if only they agree ...

You know we have good memory here but we are looking forward not back like some thankless Europeans saved by the USSR to oppose us today wherever they can. Strange as it is but Russia in general have much better relations with those we were fighting with than those we were fighting for ...

Look at the Poles ! We lost more than 2 mln killed and injured to set them free. Then we doubled their territory and finally each Pole today is ready to tear out his eye if he learns that it will harm Russia somehow ... But the most dissapointing is Bulgaria which once was as close to Russia as Serbia is. But when we needed their support during WW1 and WW2 they always fought against. Same they are today. Their Stoichkov once said to the Russian TV : "You twice set us free from the Turks and now we are going to set you free from The Cup Final" ... Also 200 years all Geogians accepted that Russia has saved them from total elimination and now they have a Museum Of Occupation in Tbilisi ...

So dear Felix do you really think that after so many betrayals there's something we are surprised at ? Besides Romania is not so hostile today. So you better don't look back that often.

Regards !

Without even mentioning the Pandora's box that has been opened with this case, imagine what will happen when the K Albanians realize how "independent" their country is? They can not do anything without the blessing of the EU chief in Kosovo. This is the true government in Kosovo...

Just waiting for the day when we get another Afghanistan there...

ORTHODOX.RU

"Look at the Poles ! We lost more than 2 mln killed and injured to set them free. Then we doubled their territory and finally each Pole today is ready to tear out his eye if he learns that it will harm Russia somehow ..."

Poles have nothing against the Russian people, but what you say is complete nonsense, how do you expect Poles to think of the Soviet Union when it was responsible for deporting and murdering 1,7 million Poles during the first years of WW2 (not to mention Katyn where thousands of our Intelligentsia and officer elite, crippling our country for gnenerations) as well as turning us into a satellite that now lags 30 years behind other European countries in terms of development and economy? You did not set anyone free, you exchanged one dictatorship for another. Many Poles claim that Soviet occupation was far worse than the German one (indeed, there were some sick SS psychos, but no one ever heard of Germans mass raping thousands of Polish women, even my grandparents claimed that the German invasion was nothing compared to the Soviet one).

Why do you think that even your immediate neighbours Ukraine, Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia and Georgia want nothing to do with you? Years of mass murder, mass deportation, slave labour, suppression of age-old culture, intelligentsia and extortion does that, you know.

No offense to the average Russian, many of whom suffered brutally under Soviet rule (Stalin's massmurder of his own officer elite, intelligentsia and all political opponents as well as their families), I have many Russian friends too, but none of them want anything to do with the USSR or Putin and his new Russia either, hence they live here in Poland now. I pray the Russians finally see times of freedom for all!

To all Serbs: there is no future with Russia. 50 years of Warsaw Pact "brotherhood" destroyed any hope of any former Eastern-bloc state wanting anything to do with Russia anymore, save for economic trade and relations. The EU is bad news for many Eastern European states, but light years ahead of what we all had to experience before.

I agree with Russia's stance towards Kosovo, but I do not agree with their intentions.

TO : Peter Sudyka
===========================

... how do you expect Poles to think of the Soviet Union when it was responsible for deporting and murdering 1,7 million Poles during the first years of WW2 (not to mention Katyn where thousands of our Intelligentsia and officer elite, crippling our country for gnenerations ...
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B-92 is not the best place to clearify Russian-Polish relations. I hope both of us came here to support the Serbs. Still I have to respond somehow to your accusations :

1. You cannot talk all the time of Katyn and the deportation after Russia has condemned it several times. Besides almost all the deported remained alive.

2. We have also payed a very good price for the 25 000 killed in Katyn. You know that some 300 000 Soviet civilians and partisans were killed by your Armia Kraiova. You know that 600 000 Soviet soldiers were Killed in Poland and 1 450 000 more were injured there. You know we have doubled your territory instead of adding German lands to Kaliningrad. And besides you know we always closed our eyes at some 500 000 Poles who fought us within Wermacht ... You know that the Poles did not fight the Germans until 1944 and all your military losses are only 123 000 including 57 000 after October 1939 which is 4 times less compared to what Tito and Mihailovic lost during 4 years .

3. You know how your national hero S.Anders with his 6 newly formed divisions deserted from USSR when Hitler embrased Stalingrad. For two years when Russians and Serbs were fighting Anders travelled Iran , Iraq , Palestine and Egypt and the only one battle they fought was in 1945 in Italy ...

4. So don't you ever tell me about the deportation ect. During last 300 years the Poles joined every power aimed at Russia . Moreover we never expect a good will from you so Poland cannot dissapoint us. Whatever you do is normal. Now that you deploy anti-Russian missilis you to let your new Metropoly to threaten our cities you make a new mistake. Our backstrike may be aimed not only at the missiles deployed on the soil Stalin has presented you but at you cities as well ... It just shows you are always ready to tear your eye if it harms Russia ...

to: adrian/bucharest

"...oh, you're so right! "

Foreigners like me and you mostly come here to give their support to the Serbs treated so unjust. But besides the three Russians that have no any other intentions most of the rest have their warm feeling towards the Serbs mixed with hatred or fear of Russia.

It's like your enemy falling down to the canyon ... but in your own car ! What bad intensions of Russia can you see in Serbia and what d'you mean as bad intentions ?

Unlike NATO for many years we launch no wars abroad. We set everybody free. We gave Russian lands to compose 40% of the Ukraine ,30% of Kazakhstan ect.

We are the biggest peaceful power in the world. Neither do we care of your love but what else do you expect us to do ? Or maybe you can tell me where we made mistakes ? But what makes you feel the same in Bukhurest !?

Let us don't bring our problems here. These people today need warm words and a feeling that the world around them has not gone wholesale crazy !

Regards !

TO : Felix, Romania

I did not mean to be aggressive and to prove that I won't prolong your list of mutual problems in the past. I still think we have a good chance to revive our comparitevely good relations.

The only nation in the world we can never improve our relations with are the Poles. Whatever they say strong Russia drives them crazy and you can do nothing about this. But with Romania we don't have such problems. I am only dissapointed that you play footbal much better ... No other problems that we cannot together cope with !

We have got no Romanian land today and for 17 years we wait you will join with Moldova. But as I can see they are not happy to be second rate Romanians ... Anyway it's your internal question that Russia has nothing to do with. I like your position in Kosovo. I think the Serbs will remember it even after 100 years !

Be happy !

Kosovo Indepedence has solved a major problem in balkans so Kosovo now is an independent country with full respect for other communitis rights that live in.

To: ORTHODOX.RU

I am actually surprised by your aggressive response to my positive message towards Russian diplomacy. But since you've mentioned "our big crimes" and that I should "better close my eyes at your smaller ones":

- Russia has taken a large part of our territory which was later distributed to others. We may be able to recover Moldova (this will happen) but not the South of it, which has been given away to Ukraine by Stalin. I'm not so sure about recovering Bucovina.

- a large population of Moldova was subsequently displaced to Siberia, most of them never to return (i.e. died)

- our national treasure is still in Moscow, the official theory is that it's no longer existing

- when the Russians invaded our country during WWII, the plundering and raping started, many still remember. People say, this was not the case with the occupying Germans.

- my country has paid for decades reparations of war, over and above officially agreed figures

My friend (and I mean it), it is not about looking back, I'm actually looking mainly at the things that we actually have in common (and the Orthodoxy is above all). I am very happy and grateful for the help we received from (Orthodox) Russia for our independence. It seems to me that you were the one looking back and I'm not angry about that. I would genuinely like to see the relationship between our countries mended to the best of friendship. Unfortunately such matters are not going to be arranged in a forum on the Internet.

Until then, I will keep admiring the Russian school of diplomacy (which is far superior to anything that we see in the West) and hope that one day the World will become normal again.

Keep well,
Felix

I agree with Russia's stance towards Kosovo, but I do not agree with their intentions.
(Peter Sudyka, 27 March 2008 21:15)

oh, you're so right!

Peter,

“ … many Russian friends … none of them want anything to do with … Putin and his new Russia …”

What exactly they don’t like about Putin? What do they prefer? Jeltzin years?

“ … I pray the Russians finally see times of freedom for all!...”

It doesn’t depend that much on Russians, unfortunately. After the formal end of the Cold War, Russia did all it possibly could to achieve permanent peaceful cooperation with a western world sacrificing a lot in the process. But West wasn’t interested. Instead of making the best of great historic opportunity for a friendship with Russia, West have chosen path of conflict in the quest for the total global domination. Russia was treated as defeated adversary, humiliated at every step, and early stages of all ready developed strategies for the total destruction of Russia were set in the motion. Russia was to be broken down in as many small and weak banana republics as possible, lowered at the pre – industrial level, functioning as a source of cheap natural resources for the reach Western nations. Are you familiar with a works of Zbigniew Brzezinski, and crowd around “Project for the new American century”?

To put things into the proper perspective when talking about USSR versus West, one should take a closer look at the broader zones of Western influence, not only West Europe. West Europe was home of the old, reach nations, former global powers themselves still having considerable influence on the global scene. There is also close proximity of the SSSR. So, it was in the western interest to create stabile, reach environment. Social democracy flourished, standard of living was high. But it is a mistake to assume that every where west calls the shots milk and honey would flow. South America is much more telling. There you can see what are the consequences of unrestricted US control of other peoples affairs.

You want a Serb/Russian military entente cordiale in Kosovo, so that you can have a new Iraq, Afghanistan and Vietnam? Do you want that to prevent an independent Vojvodina?

It would be very unfortunate if Russia hit us with nuclear weapons, but on the other hand, why should they when these are defense missiles?
(Peter Sudyka, 28 March 2008 18:53)

dear peter,
is a bullet for defense different to a bullet for attack?
would you or your neighbor believe me if i stood in your home with a gun?

Peter Sudyka,
why did th USA try to invade Cuba at the Bay of Pigs? was that too close for comfort?

But missile bases in all of Europe is normal is it ?
and we should believe the person/s (countries) who say it is normal?

what is it the Russian said to the person who was laughing at the bear dancing at somebody elses house?
'don't laugh, if the bear is at his house now, it won't be long before he comes to yours.'

in this case its not a bear, its something much worse.

how many countries did nothing while hitler destroyed countries by force; when did the USA, UK etc. start to react to hitler?
and who is leading the destruction of countries now?

In the name of democracy?
or in the name of money and control ?

how about independence for florida, california, scotland, walse.
why not every person proclaim themselves as independent; then we can really go back to living in caves.

Kosovo once and forever has gone out of hands of Serbia, whatever Russia says, it's over. The more you think of negotiations the funnier Serbia becomes. My Idea, Serbia should begin thinking about a new future and forget the past because about it next generations will read, and that’s all we can do about it.

ORTHODOX.RU

"B-92 is not the best place to clearify Russian-Polish relations. I hope both of us came here to support the Serbs."

I also side more with Serbia on this, but with regards to what you wrote earlier, I thought I should elaborate on it, that's all I wanted to do.

"1. You cannot talk all the time of Katyn and the deportation after Russia has condemned it several times. Besides almost all the deported remained alive. "

I know it has, same as how the Polish government has condemned the treatment of Russian POWs after the Polish-Soviet War in the labour camps, but this does not help with the thoughts of the average citizens.

"You know that some 300 000 Soviet civilians and partisans were killed by your Armia Kraiova."

I think this number is a bit extreme, considering our partizans killed about 150 000 German soldiers. The AK was only 300 000 strong anyway. If you are talking about the fighting between the UPA and AK, then OK, but this still goes both ways, as many Poles were also massacred there.

"You know that 600 000 Soviet soldiers were Killed in Poland and 1 450 000 more were injured there. "

Fighting against the Germans, but definitely not at the hands of the Poles.

"You know we have doubled your territory instead of adding German lands to Kaliningrad. "

Yes, we got the lands between the Oder and the Neisse, but then we lost far, far more lands in the East, which are now Ukraine, Belarus and Lithuania (cities such as Lviv and Brest-Litovsk were Polish), so once again, it's a double-edged sword.

"And besides you know we always closed our eyes at some 500 000 Poles who fought us within Wermacht ..."

Well yes, the Pomeranian, Silesian and Mazurian Poles did fight against the USSR, but there were also well over 300 000 Polish soldiers (Anders 1st and 2nd Army, Berling Army and LWP), that liberated many Russian cities too and helped the Soviets win at Berlin. My grandfather's brother fought in this army.

"During last 300 years the Poles joined every power aimed at Russia ."

So what about the Russian, Prussian and Austro-Hungarian partions of Poland? 150 years of brutal Russification (which was worse than Austro-Hungarian rule, even Prussian!) obviously would lead us against you! Russia had enslaved Poland, and tried to destroy it by allying with other powers. They did this again in 1939 against us. You think Polish culture, way of life or even language was allowed in these territories under Russian rule? No, instead, our intelligentsia was murdered and the people made to live as Russians. This is why we joined Napoleon and even many Poles joined Hitler.

"Moreover we never expect a good will from you so Poland cannot dissapoint us. Whatever you do is normal. Now that you deploy anti-Russian missilis you to let your new Metropoly to threaten our cities you make a new mistake."

Why can you not expect good will from us? We have lifted the veto on OSCE talks, for example, this is a sign of good will! About the missiles, these are apparently defense missiles, not offense. I personally do not want them on Polish soil, because I want Poland and Russia to have good relations, America should put them on some other lapdog's lands (UK, Kosovo or whatever) but the Russian government is being very ignorant if they think these are offensive missiles that will hit them.

"Our backstrike may be aimed not only at the missiles deployed on the soil Stalin has presented you but at you cities as well ... It just shows you are always ready to tear your eye if it harms Russia ..."

It would be very unfortunate if Russia hit us with nuclear weapons, but on the other hand, why should they when these are defense missiles?

"The only nation in the world we can never improve our relations with are the Poles. Whatever they say strong Russia drives them crazy and you can do nothing about this."

Not true at all, but so far it is Russia acting aggressively towards Poland by building an economically unviable gasline under the Baltic, rather than through Poland. Coincidence? What about the meat ban? Has Russia got better standards than Poland, or what?

Stevan

The Putin regime is beneficial to roughly 10%-20% of the Russian populace, this you cannot deny. It is brutal capitalism that even the West cannot claim to have. Much of Russia still lives in grinding poverty, this you know. These are the people I am most sorry for, Russia can be such a powerful country, the people should really be allowed to benefit from the mountains of natural resources they live under, alas, it is only Putin, Medvedyev, Miller and other supervisory and board members of Gazprom, Lukoil and other companies that trully benefit.

Russia should go back to the people's hands, that is what I meant with what I said. They have contributed massively to Western Civilization (art, science, music, medicine etc.), they should have the opportunity again to do this.

Kosovo is kosovo. Vojvodina is Vojvodina. Serbia is serbia. bosnia is bosnia. imperialism by stealth or gun boat diplomacy or military action or historical anachronistic manipulations or controlled migration displacement is still imperialsm and imperialism is fascism with a self deceiving benevolency.

Kosovo Indepedence has solved a major problem in balkans so Kosovo now is an independent country with full respect for other communitis rights that live in.

ORTHODOX.RU

"Look at the Poles ! We lost more than 2 mln killed and injured to set them free. Then we doubled their territory and finally each Pole today is ready to tear out his eye if he learns that it will harm Russia somehow ..."

Poles have nothing against the Russian people, but what you say is complete nonsense, how do you expect Poles to think of the Soviet Union when it was responsible for deporting and murdering 1,7 million Poles during the first years of WW2 (not to mention Katyn where thousands of our Intelligentsia and officer elite, crippling our country for gnenerations) as well as turning us into a satellite that now lags 30 years behind other European countries in terms of development and economy? You did not set anyone free, you exchanged one dictatorship for another. Many Poles claim that Soviet occupation was far worse than the German one (indeed, there were some sick SS psychos, but no one ever heard of Germans mass raping thousands of Polish women, even my grandparents claimed that the German invasion was nothing compared to the Soviet one).

Why do you think that even your immediate neighbours Ukraine, Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia and Georgia want nothing to do with you? Years of mass murder, mass deportation, slave labour, suppression of age-old culture, intelligentsia and extortion does that, you know.

No offense to the average Russian, many of whom suffered brutally under Soviet rule (Stalin's massmurder of his own officer elite, intelligentsia and all political opponents as well as their families), I have many Russian friends too, but none of them want anything to do with the USSR or Putin and his new Russia either, hence they live here in Poland now. I pray the Russians finally see times of freedom for all!

To all Serbs: there is no future with Russia. 50 years of Warsaw Pact "brotherhood" destroyed any hope of any former Eastern-bloc state wanting anything to do with Russia anymore, save for economic trade and relations. The EU is bad news for many Eastern European states, but light years ahead of what we all had to experience before.

I agree with Russia's stance towards Kosovo, but I do not agree with their intentions.

ORTHODOX.RU

"B-92 is not the best place to clearify Russian-Polish relations. I hope both of us came here to support the Serbs."

I also side more with Serbia on this, but with regards to what you wrote earlier, I thought I should elaborate on it, that's all I wanted to do.

"1. You cannot talk all the time of Katyn and the deportation after Russia has condemned it several times. Besides almost all the deported remained alive. "

I know it has, same as how the Polish government has condemned the treatment of Russian POWs after the Polish-Soviet War in the labour camps, but this does not help with the thoughts of the average citizens.

"You know that some 300 000 Soviet civilians and partisans were killed by your Armia Kraiova."

I think this number is a bit extreme, considering our partizans killed about 150 000 German soldiers. The AK was only 300 000 strong anyway. If you are talking about the fighting between the UPA and AK, then OK, but this still goes both ways, as many Poles were also massacred there.

"You know that 600 000 Soviet soldiers were Killed in Poland and 1 450 000 more were injured there. "

Fighting against the Germans, but definitely not at the hands of the Poles.

"You know we have doubled your territory instead of adding German lands to Kaliningrad. "

Yes, we got the lands between the Oder and the Neisse, but then we lost far, far more lands in the East, which are now Ukraine, Belarus and Lithuania (cities such as Lviv and Brest-Litovsk were Polish), so once again, it's a double-edged sword.

"And besides you know we always closed our eyes at some 500 000 Poles who fought us within Wermacht ..."

Well yes, the Pomeranian, Silesian and Mazurian Poles did fight against the USSR, but there were also well over 300 000 Polish soldiers (Anders 1st and 2nd Army, Berling Army and LWP), that liberated many Russian cities too and helped the Soviets win at Berlin. My grandfather's brother fought in this army.

"During last 300 years the Poles joined every power aimed at Russia ."

So what about the Russian, Prussian and Austro-Hungarian partions of Poland? 150 years of brutal Russification (which was worse than Austro-Hungarian rule, even Prussian!) obviously would lead us against you! Russia had enslaved Poland, and tried to destroy it by allying with other powers. They did this again in 1939 against us. You think Polish culture, way of life or even language was allowed in these territories under Russian rule? No, instead, our intelligentsia was murdered and the people made to live as Russians. This is why we joined Napoleon and even many Poles joined Hitler.

"Moreover we never expect a good will from you so Poland cannot dissapoint us. Whatever you do is normal. Now that you deploy anti-Russian missilis you to let your new Metropoly to threaten our cities you make a new mistake."

Why can you not expect good will from us? We have lifted the veto on OSCE talks, for example, this is a sign of good will! About the missiles, these are apparently defense missiles, not offense. I personally do not want them on Polish soil, because I want Poland and Russia to have good relations, America should put them on some other lapdog's lands (UK, Kosovo or whatever) but the Russian government is being very ignorant if they think these are offensive missiles that will hit them.

"Our backstrike may be aimed not only at the missiles deployed on the soil Stalin has presented you but at you cities as well ... It just shows you are always ready to tear your eye if it harms Russia ..."

It would be very unfortunate if Russia hit us with nuclear weapons, but on the other hand, why should they when these are defense missiles?

"The only nation in the world we can never improve our relations with are the Poles. Whatever they say strong Russia drives them crazy and you can do nothing about this."

Not true at all, but so far it is Russia acting aggressively towards Poland by building an economically unviable gasline under the Baltic, rather than through Poland. Coincidence? What about the meat ban? Has Russia got better standards than Poland, or what?

Stevan

The Putin regime is beneficial to roughly 10%-20% of the Russian populace, this you cannot deny. It is brutal capitalism that even the West cannot claim to have. Much of Russia still lives in grinding poverty, this you know. These are the people I am most sorry for, Russia can be such a powerful country, the people should really be allowed to benefit from the mountains of natural resources they live under, alas, it is only Putin, Medvedyev, Miller and other supervisory and board members of Gazprom, Lukoil and other companies that trully benefit.

Russia should go back to the people's hands, that is what I meant with what I said. They have contributed massively to Western Civilization (art, science, music, medicine etc.), they should have the opportunity again to do this.

Yes, give it time and the US will be forced back to the negotiating table with a blushed face.

Russia once again speaks with complete logic.

"“The Belgrade proposal, to our knowledge, does not mention the issue of partition of Kosovo. It concerns cooperation between Belgrade and the UN mission in the interests of implementing Resolution 1244, which envisages assistance to national minorities,” Chizhov explained. "

- absolutely right it is the EU pushed on by the US and NATO that are imposing their partition within partion through their illegal INLEX (lawless) mission which has no UN sanction or invitation. That the ethnic-Albanians who illegally declared dependence on their creators does not resolve anything it merely creates ever greater instability - very predicatable and will cause many unpredicatble consequences that the US and EU are ill prepared for seeing as they choose to act outside of international norms and laws.

“However, recognition of the unilateral independence declaration by thirty or so states out of 200 does not solve the problem. Kosovo’s status will remain undetermined until a stable international-legal solution is found,” the Russian diplomat predicted.



Precisely, but this is not what the US had in mind from the start, the legality of "kosova" is not an issue for NATO or the US since by creating the scenario which we now have they are in a far more commanding position than any of "kosova"'s leaders. The Albanians are completely dependant on the US.


The Russian envoy has said in clear and simple terms which are unquestionably true that this forced carving of the Serbian province of Kosovo and Metohija is completely farcical which anyone with any sort of moral or common sense can agree.

Simple, concise, crystal clear... I'm always amazed at the sheer superiority of the Russian diplomats compared to their European and American counterparts who look like .

This is something I have to admit in spite of my country having some historic problems with Russia. It's just honest to say it.

Respect deserved, Sir!

TO : Felix, Romania

If you mean the period of 1940-1944 it's better to forget what has happened then. We close our eyes at your big crimes and you better close yours at our smaller one. Anyway you have a chance to swallow back Moldova if only they agree ...

You know we have good memory here but we are looking forward not back like some thankless Europeans saved by the USSR to oppose us today wherever they can. Strange as it is but Russia in general have much better relations with those we were fighting with than those we were fighting for ...

Look at the Poles ! We lost more than 2 mln killed and injured to set them free. Then we doubled their territory and finally each Pole today is ready to tear out his eye if he learns that it will harm Russia somehow ... But the most dissapointing is Bulgaria which once was as close to Russia as Serbia is. But when we needed their support during WW1 and WW2 they always fought against. Same they are today. Their Stoichkov once said to the Russian TV : "You twice set us free from the Turks and now we are going to set you free from The Cup Final" ... Also 200 years all Geogians accepted that Russia has saved them from total elimination and now they have a Museum Of Occupation in Tbilisi ...

So dear Felix do you really think that after so many betrayals there's something we are surprised at ? Besides Romania is not so hostile today. So you better don't look back that often.

Regards !

Without even mentioning the Pandora's box that has been opened with this case, imagine what will happen when the K Albanians realize how "independent" their country is? They can not do anything without the blessing of the EU chief in Kosovo. This is the true government in Kosovo...

Just waiting for the day when we get another Afghanistan there...

I agree with Russia's stance towards Kosovo, but I do not agree with their intentions.
(Peter Sudyka, 27 March 2008 21:15)

oh, you're so right!

Peter,

“ … many Russian friends … none of them want anything to do with … Putin and his new Russia …”

What exactly they don’t like about Putin? What do they prefer? Jeltzin years?

“ … I pray the Russians finally see times of freedom for all!...”

It doesn’t depend that much on Russians, unfortunately. After the formal end of the Cold War, Russia did all it possibly could to achieve permanent peaceful cooperation with a western world sacrificing a lot in the process. But West wasn’t interested. Instead of making the best of great historic opportunity for a friendship with Russia, West have chosen path of conflict in the quest for the total global domination. Russia was treated as defeated adversary, humiliated at every step, and early stages of all ready developed strategies for the total destruction of Russia were set in the motion. Russia was to be broken down in as many small and weak banana republics as possible, lowered at the pre – industrial level, functioning as a source of cheap natural resources for the reach Western nations. Are you familiar with a works of Zbigniew Brzezinski, and crowd around “Project for the new American century”?

To put things into the proper perspective when talking about USSR versus West, one should take a closer look at the broader zones of Western influence, not only West Europe. West Europe was home of the old, reach nations, former global powers themselves still having considerable influence on the global scene. There is also close proximity of the SSSR. So, it was in the western interest to create stabile, reach environment. Social democracy flourished, standard of living was high. But it is a mistake to assume that every where west calls the shots milk and honey would flow. South America is much more telling. There you can see what are the consequences of unrestricted US control of other peoples affairs.

Kosovo once and forever has gone out of hands of Serbia, whatever Russia says, it's over. The more you think of negotiations the funnier Serbia becomes. My Idea, Serbia should begin thinking about a new future and forget the past because about it next generations will read, and that’s all we can do about it.

TO : Peter Sudyka
===========================

... how do you expect Poles to think of the Soviet Union when it was responsible for deporting and murdering 1,7 million Poles during the first years of WW2 (not to mention Katyn where thousands of our Intelligentsia and officer elite, crippling our country for gnenerations ...
=========================

B-92 is not the best place to clearify Russian-Polish relations. I hope both of us came here to support the Serbs. Still I have to respond somehow to your accusations :

1. You cannot talk all the time of Katyn and the deportation after Russia has condemned it several times. Besides almost all the deported remained alive.

2. We have also payed a very good price for the 25 000 killed in Katyn. You know that some 300 000 Soviet civilians and partisans were killed by your Armia Kraiova. You know that 600 000 Soviet soldiers were Killed in Poland and 1 450 000 more were injured there. You know we have doubled your territory instead of adding German lands to Kaliningrad. And besides you know we always closed our eyes at some 500 000 Poles who fought us within Wermacht ... You know that the Poles did not fight the Germans until 1944 and all your military losses are only 123 000 including 57 000 after October 1939 which is 4 times less compared to what Tito and Mihailovic lost during 4 years .

3. You know how your national hero S.Anders with his 6 newly formed divisions deserted from USSR when Hitler embrased Stalingrad. For two years when Russians and Serbs were fighting Anders travelled Iran , Iraq , Palestine and Egypt and the only one battle they fought was in 1945 in Italy ...

4. So don't you ever tell me about the deportation ect. During last 300 years the Poles joined every power aimed at Russia . Moreover we never expect a good will from you so Poland cannot dissapoint us. Whatever you do is normal. Now that you deploy anti-Russian missilis you to let your new Metropoly to threaten our cities you make a new mistake. Our backstrike may be aimed not only at the missiles deployed on the soil Stalin has presented you but at you cities as well ... It just shows you are always ready to tear your eye if it harms Russia ...

to: adrian/bucharest

"...oh, you're so right! "

Foreigners like me and you mostly come here to give their support to the Serbs treated so unjust. But besides the three Russians that have no any other intentions most of the rest have their warm feeling towards the Serbs mixed with hatred or fear of Russia.

It's like your enemy falling down to the canyon ... but in your own car ! What bad intensions of Russia can you see in Serbia and what d'you mean as bad intentions ?

Unlike NATO for many years we launch no wars abroad. We set everybody free. We gave Russian lands to compose 40% of the Ukraine ,30% of Kazakhstan ect.

We are the biggest peaceful power in the world. Neither do we care of your love but what else do you expect us to do ? Or maybe you can tell me where we made mistakes ? But what makes you feel the same in Bukhurest !?

Let us don't bring our problems here. These people today need warm words and a feeling that the world around them has not gone wholesale crazy !

Regards !

To: ORTHODOX.RU

I am actually surprised by your aggressive response to my positive message towards Russian diplomacy. But since you've mentioned "our big crimes" and that I should "better close my eyes at your smaller ones":

- Russia has taken a large part of our territory which was later distributed to others. We may be able to recover Moldova (this will happen) but not the South of it, which has been given away to Ukraine by Stalin. I'm not so sure about recovering Bucovina.

- a large population of Moldova was subsequently displaced to Siberia, most of them never to return (i.e. died)

- our national treasure is still in Moscow, the official theory is that it's no longer existing

- when the Russians invaded our country during WWII, the plundering and raping started, many still remember. People say, this was not the case with the occupying Germans.

- my country has paid for decades reparations of war, over and above officially agreed figures

My friend (and I mean it), it is not about looking back, I'm actually looking mainly at the things that we actually have in common (and the Orthodoxy is above all). I am very happy and grateful for the help we received from (Orthodox) Russia for our independence. It seems to me that you were the one looking back and I'm not angry about that. I would genuinely like to see the relationship between our countries mended to the best of friendship. Unfortunately such matters are not going to be arranged in a forum on the Internet.

Until then, I will keep admiring the Russian school of diplomacy (which is far superior to anything that we see in the West) and hope that one day the World will become normal again.

Keep well,
Felix

You want a Serb/Russian military entente cordiale in Kosovo, so that you can have a new Iraq, Afghanistan and Vietnam? Do you want that to prevent an independent Vojvodina?

TO : Felix, Romania

I did not mean to be aggressive and to prove that I won't prolong your list of mutual problems in the past. I still think we have a good chance to revive our comparitevely good relations.

The only nation in the world we can never improve our relations with are the Poles. Whatever they say strong Russia drives them crazy and you can do nothing about this. But with Romania we don't have such problems. I am only dissapointed that you play footbal much better ... No other problems that we cannot together cope with !

We have got no Romanian land today and for 17 years we wait you will join with Moldova. But as I can see they are not happy to be second rate Romanians ... Anyway it's your internal question that Russia has nothing to do with. I like your position in Kosovo. I think the Serbs will remember it even after 100 years !

Be happy !

It would be very unfortunate if Russia hit us with nuclear weapons, but on the other hand, why should they when these are defense missiles?
(Peter Sudyka, 28 March 2008 18:53)

dear peter,
is a bullet for defense different to a bullet for attack?
would you or your neighbor believe me if i stood in your home with a gun?

Peter Sudyka,
why did th USA try to invade Cuba at the Bay of Pigs? was that too close for comfort?

But missile bases in all of Europe is normal is it ?
and we should believe the person/s (countries) who say it is normal?

what is it the Russian said to the person who was laughing at the bear dancing at somebody elses house?
'don't laugh, if the bear is at his house now, it won't be long before he comes to yours.'

in this case its not a bear, its something much worse.

how many countries did nothing while hitler destroyed countries by force; when did the USA, UK etc. start to react to hitler?
and who is leading the destruction of countries now?

In the name of democracy?
or in the name of money and control ?

how about independence for florida, california, scotland, walse.
why not every person proclaim themselves as independent; then we can really go back to living in caves.

Kosovo is kosovo. Vojvodina is Vojvodina. Serbia is serbia. bosnia is bosnia. imperialism by stealth or gun boat diplomacy or military action or historical anachronistic manipulations or controlled migration displacement is still imperialsm and imperialism is fascism with a self deceiving benevolency.