Czech Rep. divided over Kosovo independence

The Czech Republic is not divided on this issue at all. The overwhelming majority of Czechs do not support recognition of this fake, illegal, and immoral puppet state.
It is only certain politicians who are serving outside interests, instead of serving their own citizens, who are divided. Let's hope they remember Sudetenland and what Europe did to them not so long ago, and do what is right, and what is just.

Reading between the lines, it sounds like the Czech government know it's wrong to recognise Kosovo but they have been pressured to do so. Lets see what happens.

Party time,
There was no 'deportation', that is albanian and NATO lies and propoganda. Before the bombing started, there was absolutely no ethnic cleansing or an exodus of albanians. What was going on was a counter-terrorist crackdown on the KLA, which the US themselves labeled a terrorist organization. This is something every country would do, and if you are Amerircan, it seems you do it all over the world in other countries even. Serbia was only putting down terrorism in their own borders, and for that they got bombed.
http://www.torontosun.com/News/Columnists/Worthington_Peter/2008/03/17/5027321-sun.php
After the bombing started, the KLA gave orders for civilians to leave. You can thank NATO bombs and the KLA for your exodus. The truth hurts, I know, but we Serbs are not afraid of the truth because it is always on our side.

"“There is no reason to postpone the signing of the Stabilization and Association Agreement,” he said.

Đelic expressed the hope that Serbia would receive EU candidate status by the end of this year. "

- oh come on Delic here is the Czech Minister saying there is no reason for posteponement i.e. FULL SAA for what is a document that pertains to a WHOLE & INTERGRAL Serbia should be signed now! So why is Delic not calling this bluff and letting his EU technocrat 'friends' by suggesting Serbia as a whole should wait till the end of the year? Surely if here is no reason for postponement for full SAA with ALL of Serbia then why did the EU only offer a part agreement to agree working towards SAA? And now Delic comes up with end of the year - come on wheres your backbone and call the EU bluff seeing as you still are under their charms!

"traditional friendship with the Serbian people,"

I know of what he speaks and look forward to my impending journey to prague next month.

The czechs are another nation who are eager to see Serbia in the EU rather rapidly and this idea of speedy ascension should be considered as the more securely prosperous route for Serbia. I believe people would see more changes in quality of life faster if Serbia joins the EU.

As for Kosovo and Metohija; the current state of the world does not permit us Serbs to reclaim the soul of our country but maybe it would be wise to bide our time, develop our economy and such until we are strong enough to once again to stand up aggressors.

Well, what I have read in Czech newspapers, it seems that there are four (five) ministers for recognition, eight against it and two do not know yet. I am not able to say how resolute is support amongst those who are for it and how resolute is opposition of the others. Those who are now against recognition are in majority...
But for how long? I am afraid it is more about postponing the decision than about rejecting it.... But I will be more than happy to see the opposite:)

Re: Party time

It seem you are my favorite post for replying today...

Let me quote you: "I still don't get why do you guys call it immoral, was it moral to start the biggest organized deportation campaign after WWII in 99?"

Give me proof on how the Serbian army deported you, as you say, during the NATO bombing? I am pretty sure that at that point the army was trying to hide and not get killed...

You are trying to make us believe that all those Albanians were not affraid of all the bombs falling in Kosovo? That bombs are something you are not affraid off?

The only difference is that you could all go to Albania (wonder why, maybe because THAT is your NATIVE country) and Serbs needed visa to go everywhere...

Trust me I went to Hungary at the time and it was full of Serbian refugees. So full that they were even considering of opening a refugee camp for Serbs there...

Of course, that was mentioned barely in the Western media because the piont was to make the people believe that you were the only ones suffering. They tried to make everything to stop Serbian refugees going to Europe. The BBC reporter, John Simpson, that was reporting from Belgrade during the time was brought back to London because of Blairs orders who did not like the way Simpson was reporting...Serbs could not been seen as normal human beings so Simpsons reports were no good...

So don't talk to me about your poor reffuges...Even Richard Gere said in an interview that he was amazed by the expensive mobiles and cars that you " poor refugees" had when he went and visited...Wonder why he never again spoke in the media about you, again, poor refugees...

Party Time,

I suggest you study more World History. Rwanda was FAR worse. Or, if the Palestinians who were ethnically cleansed from Israel were allowed to return, they would be the majority in Israel. The World is a pretty horrible place, a recovering communist state should not have been judged by West European standards. Serbs did some pretty horrible things, but statistically per capita, the Albanians did the same right back. While half the Albanians did have to leave temporarily, half the Serbs were also forced to leave, never to return. Ever notice how all the Albanians claim to be 90% of the population now? Well, that percentage is the result of ethnic cleansing. Why do non-Albanians make up nearly 33% of those still missing in Kosovo? These are troubling questions ignored in the Western press.

I do hope the Czech’s do the right thing, but it sounds to me like the politicians are going to sell out the electorate and bow to pressure of West European countries.

The EU needs to decide, are they a country, or a collection of countries? If they are a country, then clearly, we should not be counting each individual state in that country as recognizing Kosovo and count it as one country. If they aren’t a single country, then their arguments about Kosovo being in their sphere of influence is all lies.

I still don't get why do you guys call it immoral, was it moral to start the biggest organized deportation campaign after WWII in 99? Looks like Czech people now know what really happened, what we really had to cope with and this is certainly not the result of a whatever international pressure, just the result of good sense.

The division of Czechia on Kosovo topic is not between people here.Once the recognition would be subject to referendum i bet for some 90% against. The division is just amongst politicians and even this opticaly favourable for Serbs - Governing coalition - ODSconservative/liberal party is divided
KDU-CSL-christian party is curently against
SZ-Green party- rather pro but with reservations. Generally government tends to be conform with EU and NATO standpoints and it also seems now that recognition has not any real alternative but in this case due to traditional close relations to Serbs it is hard for many ministers.
opposition
- CSSD Social democracy strictly against recognition
KSCM communists strictly against recognition

Parliament adopted declaration which aims towards government not to recognize independence.

President-former founder of governing ODS strictly against recognition

That is short overwiev,final decision is wested with goverment I know they are under pressure and I am not sure about time they will resist.I hope its gonna be long time. Generally I feel tendencies to help to Serbs somehow but it is hard to find out how,pro Serbian lobbying in EU is one of possibilities. Vuk's opinion above sounds very reasonable.

Dear all,
these are certainly no lies for one simple reason... My family was there, they were deported in busses. Ok, maybe they're lying but I don't think so... Second thing, if you really fight a guerilla movement, a National Liberation Movement, or even terrorists, the superior interest of the State stops where Human Rights start, you breach the contract that people have with their government, people can change government. The story ends here.

I saw Death of Yugoslavia (over 2 hrs) documentary last night. Also Death of Yugoslavia by some woman named Alive (over 2 hours). You Serbs should look at how the Kosovars were beaten and treated in 93..let alone in 98.

Viva Kosova !!

TO all Serbs:
Cechia voted in favour of Eulex and was not one of the countries that at Brussels summit was against Kosovo recognition simply they are playing the old game of "good and bad policeman "..
Actually the "good policeman" are :
Slowakia,Romania-Greece ..
Cyprus and Spain are a different thing their position depend on other factors...

South Korea has recognized Kosovo. Another Economically viable country has recognized it.

Slovenia had to wait for 6 months to get the first recognition. The Czech Republic will follow suit too just before the Nato summit, and many others will do so in the meantime or eventually.

Where do these guys buy their ties??? Surely in dark ;)

I still don't get why do you guys call it immoral, was it moral to start the biggest organized deportation campaign after WWII in 99? Looks like Czech people now know what really happened, what we really had to cope with and this is certainly not the result of a whatever international pressure, just the result of good sense.

I saw Death of Yugoslavia (over 2 hrs) documentary last night. Also Death of Yugoslavia by some woman named Alive (over 2 hours). You Serbs should look at how the Kosovars were beaten and treated in 93..let alone in 98.

Viva Kosova !!

Dear all,
these are certainly no lies for one simple reason... My family was there, they were deported in busses. Ok, maybe they're lying but I don't think so... Second thing, if you really fight a guerilla movement, a National Liberation Movement, or even terrorists, the superior interest of the State stops where Human Rights start, you breach the contract that people have with their government, people can change government. The story ends here.

Where do these guys buy their ties??? Surely in dark ;)

South Korea has recognized Kosovo. Another Economically viable country has recognized it.

Slovenia had to wait for 6 months to get the first recognition. The Czech Republic will follow suit too just before the Nato summit, and many others will do so in the meantime or eventually.

TO all Serbs:
Cechia voted in favour of Eulex and was not one of the countries that at Brussels summit was against Kosovo recognition simply they are playing the old game of "good and bad policeman "..
Actually the "good policeman" are :
Slowakia,Romania-Greece ..
Cyprus and Spain are a different thing their position depend on other factors...

"“There is no reason to postpone the signing of the Stabilization and Association Agreement,” he said.

Đelic expressed the hope that Serbia would receive EU candidate status by the end of this year. "

- oh come on Delic here is the Czech Minister saying there is no reason for posteponement i.e. FULL SAA for what is a document that pertains to a WHOLE & INTERGRAL Serbia should be signed now! So why is Delic not calling this bluff and letting his EU technocrat 'friends' by suggesting Serbia as a whole should wait till the end of the year? Surely if here is no reason for postponement for full SAA with ALL of Serbia then why did the EU only offer a part agreement to agree working towards SAA? And now Delic comes up with end of the year - come on wheres your backbone and call the EU bluff seeing as you still are under their charms!

Reading between the lines, it sounds like the Czech government know it's wrong to recognise Kosovo but they have been pressured to do so. Lets see what happens.

The Czech Republic is not divided on this issue at all. The overwhelming majority of Czechs do not support recognition of this fake, illegal, and immoral puppet state.
It is only certain politicians who are serving outside interests, instead of serving their own citizens, who are divided. Let's hope they remember Sudetenland and what Europe did to them not so long ago, and do what is right, and what is just.

"traditional friendship with the Serbian people,"

I know of what he speaks and look forward to my impending journey to prague next month.

The czechs are another nation who are eager to see Serbia in the EU rather rapidly and this idea of speedy ascension should be considered as the more securely prosperous route for Serbia. I believe people would see more changes in quality of life faster if Serbia joins the EU.

As for Kosovo and Metohija; the current state of the world does not permit us Serbs to reclaim the soul of our country but maybe it would be wise to bide our time, develop our economy and such until we are strong enough to once again to stand up aggressors.

Well, what I have read in Czech newspapers, it seems that there are four (five) ministers for recognition, eight against it and two do not know yet. I am not able to say how resolute is support amongst those who are for it and how resolute is opposition of the others. Those who are now against recognition are in majority...
But for how long? I am afraid it is more about postponing the decision than about rejecting it.... But I will be more than happy to see the opposite:)

Party time,
There was no 'deportation', that is albanian and NATO lies and propoganda. Before the bombing started, there was absolutely no ethnic cleansing or an exodus of albanians. What was going on was a counter-terrorist crackdown on the KLA, which the US themselves labeled a terrorist organization. This is something every country would do, and if you are Amerircan, it seems you do it all over the world in other countries even. Serbia was only putting down terrorism in their own borders, and for that they got bombed.
http://www.torontosun.com/News/Columnists/Worthington_Peter/2008/03/17/5027321-sun.php
After the bombing started, the KLA gave orders for civilians to leave. You can thank NATO bombs and the KLA for your exodus. The truth hurts, I know, but we Serbs are not afraid of the truth because it is always on our side.

Party Time,

I suggest you study more World History. Rwanda was FAR worse. Or, if the Palestinians who were ethnically cleansed from Israel were allowed to return, they would be the majority in Israel. The World is a pretty horrible place, a recovering communist state should not have been judged by West European standards. Serbs did some pretty horrible things, but statistically per capita, the Albanians did the same right back. While half the Albanians did have to leave temporarily, half the Serbs were also forced to leave, never to return. Ever notice how all the Albanians claim to be 90% of the population now? Well, that percentage is the result of ethnic cleansing. Why do non-Albanians make up nearly 33% of those still missing in Kosovo? These are troubling questions ignored in the Western press.

I do hope the Czech’s do the right thing, but it sounds to me like the politicians are going to sell out the electorate and bow to pressure of West European countries.

The EU needs to decide, are they a country, or a collection of countries? If they are a country, then clearly, we should not be counting each individual state in that country as recognizing Kosovo and count it as one country. If they aren’t a single country, then their arguments about Kosovo being in their sphere of influence is all lies.

Re: Party time

It seem you are my favorite post for replying today...

Let me quote you: "I still don't get why do you guys call it immoral, was it moral to start the biggest organized deportation campaign after WWII in 99?"

Give me proof on how the Serbian army deported you, as you say, during the NATO bombing? I am pretty sure that at that point the army was trying to hide and not get killed...

You are trying to make us believe that all those Albanians were not affraid of all the bombs falling in Kosovo? That bombs are something you are not affraid off?

The only difference is that you could all go to Albania (wonder why, maybe because THAT is your NATIVE country) and Serbs needed visa to go everywhere...

Trust me I went to Hungary at the time and it was full of Serbian refugees. So full that they were even considering of opening a refugee camp for Serbs there...

Of course, that was mentioned barely in the Western media because the piont was to make the people believe that you were the only ones suffering. They tried to make everything to stop Serbian refugees going to Europe. The BBC reporter, John Simpson, that was reporting from Belgrade during the time was brought back to London because of Blairs orders who did not like the way Simpson was reporting...Serbs could not been seen as normal human beings so Simpsons reports were no good...

So don't talk to me about your poor reffuges...Even Richard Gere said in an interview that he was amazed by the expensive mobiles and cars that you " poor refugees" had when he went and visited...Wonder why he never again spoke in the media about you, again, poor refugees...

The division of Czechia on Kosovo topic is not between people here.Once the recognition would be subject to referendum i bet for some 90% against. The division is just amongst politicians and even this opticaly favourable for Serbs - Governing coalition - ODSconservative/liberal party is divided
KDU-CSL-christian party is curently against
SZ-Green party- rather pro but with reservations. Generally government tends to be conform with EU and NATO standpoints and it also seems now that recognition has not any real alternative but in this case due to traditional close relations to Serbs it is hard for many ministers.
opposition
- CSSD Social democracy strictly against recognition
KSCM communists strictly against recognition

Parliament adopted declaration which aims towards government not to recognize independence.

President-former founder of governing ODS strictly against recognition

That is short overwiev,final decision is wested with goverment I know they are under pressure and I am not sure about time they will resist.I hope its gonna be long time. Generally I feel tendencies to help to Serbs somehow but it is hard to find out how,pro Serbian lobbying in EU is one of possibilities. Vuk's opinion above sounds very reasonable.