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Tuesday, 25.03.2008.

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Kosovo officials dismiss Del Ponte allegations

The KZK denies allegations made by Carla del Ponte that the KLA smuggled organs of abducted Serbs.

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B92

pre 16 godina

Dear Matthew, Roger,

Our reader who posted here as "Ahmet Isufi" also sent messages under at least half a dozen other nicknames, sometimes as a Serb.

We have no reason to believe that this particular person is in fact Mr. Isufi quoted in this article.

Regards,


B92

Bresa

pre 16 godina

Ana

It turns out that in your 3000 killed one albanian stands for 0.005 human being right?!

I have lived in Fushe Kosovo during the war (just 6 days after the NATO strikes) and terrible things have happended there. So you can play with numbers as much as you like but we know very well who did what.

I belive Del Ponte is overdoing the 'neutral' role , you don't mix victim with the offender Carla.

Her book may be intresting, but I am sure nothing has stopped her you from accusing Fatmir Limaj who turned out to be inocent. So don't tell me Del Ponte was affraid of Thaqi to accuse him.
This is what some internationals from the 'bird' perspective try to do: see we are 'neutral' see we are accusing albanians as well.

Do some of you here realise that before and during the war, it was very much 'generaly acceptable' to kill, imprision, rape ... an albanian (siptar) so please do not sound so much terryfied for some 'facts' that are not proven at all. After all it is a book.

May all the victims rest in peace and the criminals get waht they deserve ....

And just some of you do not get me wrong, if anything there is true then yes I agree with the serb community who are accusing her of hiding evidence. She was there to hunt war criminals, why she did not do it?
But which is true? is she hiding evidence or there is none? Be sure it is the latter one.

Bresa

Albanian

pre 16 godina

This is pure lie. I am Albanian but if this story is true, I think they shoukd not make politic with this tragedies, but look for responsible persons, and arrest them.
She could do nothing about Karadzic and Mladic, so she can just write stupid books without any evidence.
PURE LIE

roberto

pre 16 godina

i assumed that this news as reported by b-92 would reignite a major hate fest (but has it ever stopped?) but this time it has exceeded even my expectations. thank you so much carla del ponte and b92 -- the professionalism of both is beyond doubt -- FAR beyond.

for myself, altho i do not believe these allegations, and i pray they are vicious lies, i cannot say so with 100 % certainty, and must wait and watch. a truly ugly story..


roberto from frisco

Matthew

pre 16 godina

Nikshala, I’m sorry for the loss of your cousin. No one should have to suffer like that, and we are all human beings. I heard similar stories from my family about their fate as well. Thank God it was not anything like what happened in WWII.

In regards to the accusations, as I’ve said before, that was a very common Urban Myth at the time (especially in South America), so I don’t put much credit in it. Even if it turns out to be true, I doubt it would get much attention. Crimes against Serbs are completely swept under the rug. I mean, think about it, the Albanians were rewarded for the 2004 riots, Standards Before Status was abandoned and the independence process speeded up as a result.

Roger, I’m certain it is the same individual and that would explain why he’s been too busy to post much lately. If you read all his earlier posts, you’ll see he claims to have a lot of inside information and access to areas a regular citizen would not have. He always claims to have firsthand information. It has to be the same person. Do a google search for his name on the B92 website (advanced options to search just this website) and read his posts with this in mind, it should be clear then. I’ve been trying to figure that out for at least a year now. If its not him, then he’s pretending to be him. I often google people’s names here, its sort of fun what you turn up.

Hopefully Ahmet won’t take it personally against me when I visit Pec. I’m really not such a bad guy, even though you once called me a sheep in wolves clothing.

Anyways Ahmet, congratulations on moving from the comments section to the main article.

When will B92 quote me on an article? Ha ha…

Roger7

pre 16 godina

Will the real Ahmet Isufi please stand up.

Matthew,
Now you have me questioning my judgement.
I am not sure that the Ahmet Isufi who frequently posts here is the fellow quoted in this piece. I could certainly be incorrect.

The Isufi who is a frequent poster seems rather inexperienced and uninformed especially on international issues.

The fellow's bio, in the piece, I thought was...
"AHMET (Limon) ISUFI, nicknamed "Rexha"
Born on October 1, 1961, in the village of Djuriševci, Municipality of Kosovska Kamenica. As a member of the "Albanikos" illegal group, he was sentenced to 9 years in prison in 1983. He was the commander of the KLA general staff in the Karadak zone, with the headquarters in the Zlaš village, Municipality of Priština. After the withdrawal of the members of Serbian Ministry of Internal Affairs and the YA forces from Kosovo and Metohija, he organized the assas sination of the Serbs from the territory of the municipalities of Gnjilane, Kosovska Kamenica, Kosovska Vitina and Novo Brdo, which were committed by the members of the so-called secret police, Gjumshit Osmani and Nazmi Bekteshi, both from Gnjilane, together with individuals from the criminal groups who had arrived from other regions or from the territory of Albania. Only in Gnjilane itself, over 100 ethnic Serbs were murdered, and Isufi personally signed the order for planting an explosive device in the mosque in downtown Gnjilane. He was also engaged in providing aid to the LAPMB members, recruitment and transfer of the former KLA members to southern Serbia. He is, also, engaged in the procurement and illegal arms delivery to the territory of the villages Dobrosin, Muhovac and Breznica, Municipality of Bujanovac. He was a member of the DSK presidium, Gnjilane branch, and now, in the capacity of an ABK member, headed by Ramush Haradinaj, he keeps the post of the minister of labor and social issues in the Government of Kosovo."

michael

pre 16 godina

From the very onset of this illegal declaration by US backed terrorists, Kosovo Albanians consistently deny any wrong doing for anything that has occurred during their "watch" over Kosovo. This story is beyond shocking and horrific. Wouldn't our Albanian neighbors agree to this, or have you all placed blinders on your faces as per your instructions from Washington? If you can't believe this could have happened under the name of Albanian, then let us perhaps divert your attention to some proven facts.

Let us recap what Albanians have done:

-armed rebellion in order to achieve another Albanian State
-ethnically cleansed over 200,000 Serbs from Kosovo
- not allowed refugees the right to return to their homes/property
-killed thousands of Serbs/non Albanians
-destroyed hundreds of Orthodox Churches/monasteries
-Gold medal winners in Heroin and Sex slave industry..FACT!

Why now would your compassion for Serbians be any different now? ? You've been denying involvement in any criminal activities since solidarity with then Nazi Germany.

Ana

pre 16 godina

RE; Nikshala "Nobody is saying 100,000, but 10, 000.

And the fresh graves are all over Kosovo - you can come and visit them for yourself, if you don't believe me."

100.000 was used from your side to make NATO bomb. OFFICIALY it is 3000...You all spoke about Trepca, and when the UN and NATO forensics came to Kosovo after the bombing they could not find nothing in Trepca. They were CONFUSED!!! Wonder why...

Where are those fresh graves all around Kosovo that you are talking about? Haven't heard of them on the news...and if they are fresh, then it must be Serbs in side...

And here is an article that shows how the Albanian propaganda works...Imagine it is not Serbian, it is from The Wall Street Journal written by the late Daniel Pearl killed in Pakistan afew years later...

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/pearl123199.htm

vladimir

pre 16 godina

Waow!!!Carla Del Ponte after damning the serbs and prosectuting them a lot,some Croats less and now Albanians a little, she was excellent while prosecuting the Serbs and make all the others look like somewhat less guilty or not guilty at all,"undeniable" truth that has had serbia stigmatized as an "evil" nation,BUT now that she spoke a different story Colonel Sulija like many Albanese turn round and say "she is crazy' and "Absurd", the question being :did she just turned crazy and absurd of late?or was she smart until then?What happened? The chief prosecutor is a crazy person?!she is out of line for pointing fingers at you too now ?,is that not in her job description?

nikshala

pre 16 godina

Exactly that is the point, Mr? Where are the 100.000 Albanias killed by Milosevic? Where are their graves?

With all you have tried and said, nine years on no mass grave was ever found in Kosovo. The official number of the killed ones prior to the NATO bombinb stands at around 3000 people, all nationalities included plus men in uniforms...
(Ana, 25 March 2008 15:21)

Nobody is saying 100,000, but 10, 000.

And the fresh graves are all over Kosovo - you can come and visit them for yourself, if you don't believe me.

Mass graves of albanians have been found in Serbia as well.

My cousin was killed by serb mortarts and I know very well where his grave is - and so do thousands of other albanians the whereabout of the graves of their families.

And that irrefutable evidence.

If there was any truth in this sick story, we would have been hearing about it everyday for the last 9 years from the serbian politicians. And they would've have spent millions and millions of dollars to try and located the grave/bones of these victims. This would have been the biggest PR argument against independence, NATO, and everything else serb claim.

Don't you think its wierd then that this story has not been publicised before??

If there is some concrete evidence, I will be the first one to condem these crimes - but until then I am certain that these are just some dirty fabrications.

Where were these operations carried out in Albania? Who were the expert doctors? Who were the organs sold to?

Albania can hardly provide basic healthcare to its citizens, let alone have facilities and experts to carry out organ transplants! Albanians have to go to Italy for these operations.

lids

pre 16 godina

We all have seen pictures of UCK crimes not only against Serbians but Macedonians too,and we all know this monstrous act was one of many to come to light.
And we are to beleive peasants, turned politicians.
Please.!!!

tim

pre 16 godina

Last week we are reading articles of how Albanian women are abused, their terrible plight, now are are reading about organ traffic. Funny how these stories are starting to turn up. Must mean that western support is eroding. I expect there will be more "atrocity" stories to come.

Ana

pre 16 godina

RE: Nikshala "Why are those 'victims' with missing organs not coming forward? If the were killed, where are the graves? Where is the evidence."

Exactly that is the point, Mr? Where are the 100.000 Albanias killed by Milosevic? Where are their graves?

With all you have tried and said, nine years on no mass grave was ever found in Kosovo. The official number of the killed ones prior to the NATO bombinb stands at around 3000 people, all nationalities included plus men in uniforms...

Matthew

pre 16 godina

"Ahmet Isufi also rejected Del Ponte’s accusations.

“There were no actions taken against civilians or any nation… Such accusations are above all political. Anybody, not just politicians, can see that,” said Isufi."

We're all familiar with Ahmet's comments from his posts here.

He's also claimed those poor boys were deliberately drowned in the river (causing the 2004 riots), even naming a Serb that people should "ask about it", and that last years RPG attack on Decani was staged, that it was only an old rusty grenade that was simply placed on the rooftop (claims he went there and saw it for himself).

Unfortunately, Ahmet does not appear to be a reliable source for information.

Roger7

pre 16 godina

"Why are those 'victims' with missing organs not coming forward?"

Because they are dead.

If this is ever to be proven, a person of strong conscience, who is guilt ridden, will have to come forward and tell the truth.

By doing so, that person or person knows that their remaining days on this earth will be limited: when you become a snitch, organized crime is not forgiving.

nikshala

pre 16 godina

Why are those 'victims' with missing organs not coming forward? If the were killed, where are the graves? Where is the evidence.

This story is an absolute joke. I am not denying that any crimes were commited against serbs, but this story is so ridicuolous that not even serbs knew about it.

This woman has totally discredited herself with this book, and all her actions before. She has tainted the Hague tribunal and all the balkan war crime prosectutions for ever. She has made unfouded claims throughout her career, and by politicizing every prosecutiong and sticking her nose where it didn't belong she has actually harmed the initial intetions of the Hague tribunal - prosecute the war criminals and bring to light the crimes commited during the wars.

bmrusila

pre 16 godina

Well, no one really expected that they are going to admit their “human and sophisticated” murderous methods that imply nothing else but monstrosity. The only way to prove Carla’s allegations as ridiculous is to reveal whereabouts of the bodies. If they fail to do so, then Carla’s allegations will be taken as truthful and very justifiable.

But sooner rather than later, the true face of Albanian nation will come to the surface.

Every time I read about these monstrosity done in the name of the so called "freedom" makes me vomit

Ana

pre 16 godina

But then again, the Albanians will, no doubt, accept all the accusations towards the Serbs by Del Ponte in her book and will probably use it for quotations...

All is true for the Serbs, all regarding the Albabians is a lie...

It is very funny to hear this from KZP whose first named boss is a war criminal Agim Ceku...so I guess, we should all believe what KZP says. But Del Ponte, oh yes, she is a lier, never mind she is not a war criminal. Why should we believe in her words?

Canadian

pre 16 godina

If just a "single" case is proved to be true, and there are people working around the clock investigating this than Albania and Kosovo are finished. I suppose there are a lot of Albanian politicians panicked right now wondering how well the graves of these poor victims are hidden, and if they should take the risk of moving the graves. Serbia is watching Albania very carefully.

The Swiss

pre 16 godina

Kosovo Protections Corps (KZK) spokesman Colonel Semsi Sulja told daily Koha Ditore that the former Hague prosecutor was “lying” and that here statements were “absurd.”

Of course, she woke up one morning and decided to write that kind of terrible story for fun...

bganon

pre 16 godina

These knee jerk denials won't convince anybody. I don't know how it works in Kosovo these days but necessary organs should undertake an investigation to see whether there is truth to the allegations.

Instead we have politicians using the opportunity to line up to bash Del Ponte and to claim some cheap political points.

Canadian

pre 16 godina

If just a "single" case is proved to be true, and there are people working around the clock investigating this than Albania and Kosovo are finished. I suppose there are a lot of Albanian politicians panicked right now wondering how well the graves of these poor victims are hidden, and if they should take the risk of moving the graves. Serbia is watching Albania very carefully.

Roger7

pre 16 godina

"Why are those 'victims' with missing organs not coming forward?"

Because they are dead.

If this is ever to be proven, a person of strong conscience, who is guilt ridden, will have to come forward and tell the truth.

By doing so, that person or person knows that their remaining days on this earth will be limited: when you become a snitch, organized crime is not forgiving.

Ana

pre 16 godina

But then again, the Albanians will, no doubt, accept all the accusations towards the Serbs by Del Ponte in her book and will probably use it for quotations...

All is true for the Serbs, all regarding the Albabians is a lie...

It is very funny to hear this from KZP whose first named boss is a war criminal Agim Ceku...so I guess, we should all believe what KZP says. But Del Ponte, oh yes, she is a lier, never mind she is not a war criminal. Why should we believe in her words?

michael

pre 16 godina

From the very onset of this illegal declaration by US backed terrorists, Kosovo Albanians consistently deny any wrong doing for anything that has occurred during their "watch" over Kosovo. This story is beyond shocking and horrific. Wouldn't our Albanian neighbors agree to this, or have you all placed blinders on your faces as per your instructions from Washington? If you can't believe this could have happened under the name of Albanian, then let us perhaps divert your attention to some proven facts.

Let us recap what Albanians have done:

-armed rebellion in order to achieve another Albanian State
-ethnically cleansed over 200,000 Serbs from Kosovo
- not allowed refugees the right to return to their homes/property
-killed thousands of Serbs/non Albanians
-destroyed hundreds of Orthodox Churches/monasteries
-Gold medal winners in Heroin and Sex slave industry..FACT!

Why now would your compassion for Serbians be any different now? ? You've been denying involvement in any criminal activities since solidarity with then Nazi Germany.

The Swiss

pre 16 godina

Kosovo Protections Corps (KZK) spokesman Colonel Semsi Sulja told daily Koha Ditore that the former Hague prosecutor was “lying” and that here statements were “absurd.”

Of course, she woke up one morning and decided to write that kind of terrible story for fun...

Roger7

pre 16 godina

Will the real Ahmet Isufi please stand up.

Matthew,
Now you have me questioning my judgement.
I am not sure that the Ahmet Isufi who frequently posts here is the fellow quoted in this piece. I could certainly be incorrect.

The Isufi who is a frequent poster seems rather inexperienced and uninformed especially on international issues.

The fellow's bio, in the piece, I thought was...
"AHMET (Limon) ISUFI, nicknamed "Rexha"
Born on October 1, 1961, in the village of Djuriševci, Municipality of Kosovska Kamenica. As a member of the "Albanikos" illegal group, he was sentenced to 9 years in prison in 1983. He was the commander of the KLA general staff in the Karadak zone, with the headquarters in the Zlaš village, Municipality of Priština. After the withdrawal of the members of Serbian Ministry of Internal Affairs and the YA forces from Kosovo and Metohija, he organized the assas sination of the Serbs from the territory of the municipalities of Gnjilane, Kosovska Kamenica, Kosovska Vitina and Novo Brdo, which were committed by the members of the so-called secret police, Gjumshit Osmani and Nazmi Bekteshi, both from Gnjilane, together with individuals from the criminal groups who had arrived from other regions or from the territory of Albania. Only in Gnjilane itself, over 100 ethnic Serbs were murdered, and Isufi personally signed the order for planting an explosive device in the mosque in downtown Gnjilane. He was also engaged in providing aid to the LAPMB members, recruitment and transfer of the former KLA members to southern Serbia. He is, also, engaged in the procurement and illegal arms delivery to the territory of the villages Dobrosin, Muhovac and Breznica, Municipality of Bujanovac. He was a member of the DSK presidium, Gnjilane branch, and now, in the capacity of an ABK member, headed by Ramush Haradinaj, he keeps the post of the minister of labor and social issues in the Government of Kosovo."

vladimir

pre 16 godina

Waow!!!Carla Del Ponte after damning the serbs and prosectuting them a lot,some Croats less and now Albanians a little, she was excellent while prosecuting the Serbs and make all the others look like somewhat less guilty or not guilty at all,"undeniable" truth that has had serbia stigmatized as an "evil" nation,BUT now that she spoke a different story Colonel Sulija like many Albanese turn round and say "she is crazy' and "Absurd", the question being :did she just turned crazy and absurd of late?or was she smart until then?What happened? The chief prosecutor is a crazy person?!she is out of line for pointing fingers at you too now ?,is that not in her job description?

bmrusila

pre 16 godina

Well, no one really expected that they are going to admit their “human and sophisticated” murderous methods that imply nothing else but monstrosity. The only way to prove Carla’s allegations as ridiculous is to reveal whereabouts of the bodies. If they fail to do so, then Carla’s allegations will be taken as truthful and very justifiable.

But sooner rather than later, the true face of Albanian nation will come to the surface.

Every time I read about these monstrosity done in the name of the so called "freedom" makes me vomit

Ana

pre 16 godina

RE: Nikshala "Why are those 'victims' with missing organs not coming forward? If the were killed, where are the graves? Where is the evidence."

Exactly that is the point, Mr? Where are the 100.000 Albanias killed by Milosevic? Where are their graves?

With all you have tried and said, nine years on no mass grave was ever found in Kosovo. The official number of the killed ones prior to the NATO bombinb stands at around 3000 people, all nationalities included plus men in uniforms...

Matthew

pre 16 godina

"Ahmet Isufi also rejected Del Ponte’s accusations.

“There were no actions taken against civilians or any nation… Such accusations are above all political. Anybody, not just politicians, can see that,” said Isufi."

We're all familiar with Ahmet's comments from his posts here.

He's also claimed those poor boys were deliberately drowned in the river (causing the 2004 riots), even naming a Serb that people should "ask about it", and that last years RPG attack on Decani was staged, that it was only an old rusty grenade that was simply placed on the rooftop (claims he went there and saw it for himself).

Unfortunately, Ahmet does not appear to be a reliable source for information.

lids

pre 16 godina

We all have seen pictures of UCK crimes not only against Serbians but Macedonians too,and we all know this monstrous act was one of many to come to light.
And we are to beleive peasants, turned politicians.
Please.!!!

Ana

pre 16 godina

RE; Nikshala "Nobody is saying 100,000, but 10, 000.

And the fresh graves are all over Kosovo - you can come and visit them for yourself, if you don't believe me."

100.000 was used from your side to make NATO bomb. OFFICIALY it is 3000...You all spoke about Trepca, and when the UN and NATO forensics came to Kosovo after the bombing they could not find nothing in Trepca. They were CONFUSED!!! Wonder why...

Where are those fresh graves all around Kosovo that you are talking about? Haven't heard of them on the news...and if they are fresh, then it must be Serbs in side...

And here is an article that shows how the Albanian propaganda works...Imagine it is not Serbian, it is from The Wall Street Journal written by the late Daniel Pearl killed in Pakistan afew years later...

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/pearl123199.htm

bganon

pre 16 godina

These knee jerk denials won't convince anybody. I don't know how it works in Kosovo these days but necessary organs should undertake an investigation to see whether there is truth to the allegations.

Instead we have politicians using the opportunity to line up to bash Del Ponte and to claim some cheap political points.

nikshala

pre 16 godina

Why are those 'victims' with missing organs not coming forward? If the were killed, where are the graves? Where is the evidence.

This story is an absolute joke. I am not denying that any crimes were commited against serbs, but this story is so ridicuolous that not even serbs knew about it.

This woman has totally discredited herself with this book, and all her actions before. She has tainted the Hague tribunal and all the balkan war crime prosectutions for ever. She has made unfouded claims throughout her career, and by politicizing every prosecutiong and sticking her nose where it didn't belong she has actually harmed the initial intetions of the Hague tribunal - prosecute the war criminals and bring to light the crimes commited during the wars.

tim

pre 16 godina

Last week we are reading articles of how Albanian women are abused, their terrible plight, now are are reading about organ traffic. Funny how these stories are starting to turn up. Must mean that western support is eroding. I expect there will be more "atrocity" stories to come.

nikshala

pre 16 godina

Exactly that is the point, Mr? Where are the 100.000 Albanias killed by Milosevic? Where are their graves?

With all you have tried and said, nine years on no mass grave was ever found in Kosovo. The official number of the killed ones prior to the NATO bombinb stands at around 3000 people, all nationalities included plus men in uniforms...
(Ana, 25 March 2008 15:21)

Nobody is saying 100,000, but 10, 000.

And the fresh graves are all over Kosovo - you can come and visit them for yourself, if you don't believe me.

Mass graves of albanians have been found in Serbia as well.

My cousin was killed by serb mortarts and I know very well where his grave is - and so do thousands of other albanians the whereabout of the graves of their families.

And that irrefutable evidence.

If there was any truth in this sick story, we would have been hearing about it everyday for the last 9 years from the serbian politicians. And they would've have spent millions and millions of dollars to try and located the grave/bones of these victims. This would have been the biggest PR argument against independence, NATO, and everything else serb claim.

Don't you think its wierd then that this story has not been publicised before??

If there is some concrete evidence, I will be the first one to condem these crimes - but until then I am certain that these are just some dirty fabrications.

Where were these operations carried out in Albania? Who were the expert doctors? Who were the organs sold to?

Albania can hardly provide basic healthcare to its citizens, let alone have facilities and experts to carry out organ transplants! Albanians have to go to Italy for these operations.

B92

pre 16 godina

Dear Matthew, Roger,

Our reader who posted here as "Ahmet Isufi" also sent messages under at least half a dozen other nicknames, sometimes as a Serb.

We have no reason to believe that this particular person is in fact Mr. Isufi quoted in this article.

Regards,


B92

Albanian

pre 16 godina

This is pure lie. I am Albanian but if this story is true, I think they shoukd not make politic with this tragedies, but look for responsible persons, and arrest them.
She could do nothing about Karadzic and Mladic, so she can just write stupid books without any evidence.
PURE LIE

Matthew

pre 16 godina

Nikshala, I’m sorry for the loss of your cousin. No one should have to suffer like that, and we are all human beings. I heard similar stories from my family about their fate as well. Thank God it was not anything like what happened in WWII.

In regards to the accusations, as I’ve said before, that was a very common Urban Myth at the time (especially in South America), so I don’t put much credit in it. Even if it turns out to be true, I doubt it would get much attention. Crimes against Serbs are completely swept under the rug. I mean, think about it, the Albanians were rewarded for the 2004 riots, Standards Before Status was abandoned and the independence process speeded up as a result.

Roger, I’m certain it is the same individual and that would explain why he’s been too busy to post much lately. If you read all his earlier posts, you’ll see he claims to have a lot of inside information and access to areas a regular citizen would not have. He always claims to have firsthand information. It has to be the same person. Do a google search for his name on the B92 website (advanced options to search just this website) and read his posts with this in mind, it should be clear then. I’ve been trying to figure that out for at least a year now. If its not him, then he’s pretending to be him. I often google people’s names here, its sort of fun what you turn up.

Hopefully Ahmet won’t take it personally against me when I visit Pec. I’m really not such a bad guy, even though you once called me a sheep in wolves clothing.

Anyways Ahmet, congratulations on moving from the comments section to the main article.

When will B92 quote me on an article? Ha ha…

roberto

pre 16 godina

i assumed that this news as reported by b-92 would reignite a major hate fest (but has it ever stopped?) but this time it has exceeded even my expectations. thank you so much carla del ponte and b92 -- the professionalism of both is beyond doubt -- FAR beyond.

for myself, altho i do not believe these allegations, and i pray they are vicious lies, i cannot say so with 100 % certainty, and must wait and watch. a truly ugly story..


roberto from frisco

Bresa

pre 16 godina

Ana

It turns out that in your 3000 killed one albanian stands for 0.005 human being right?!

I have lived in Fushe Kosovo during the war (just 6 days after the NATO strikes) and terrible things have happended there. So you can play with numbers as much as you like but we know very well who did what.

I belive Del Ponte is overdoing the 'neutral' role , you don't mix victim with the offender Carla.

Her book may be intresting, but I am sure nothing has stopped her you from accusing Fatmir Limaj who turned out to be inocent. So don't tell me Del Ponte was affraid of Thaqi to accuse him.
This is what some internationals from the 'bird' perspective try to do: see we are 'neutral' see we are accusing albanians as well.

Do some of you here realise that before and during the war, it was very much 'generaly acceptable' to kill, imprision, rape ... an albanian (siptar) so please do not sound so much terryfied for some 'facts' that are not proven at all. After all it is a book.

May all the victims rest in peace and the criminals get waht they deserve ....

And just some of you do not get me wrong, if anything there is true then yes I agree with the serb community who are accusing her of hiding evidence. She was there to hunt war criminals, why she did not do it?
But which is true? is she hiding evidence or there is none? Be sure it is the latter one.

Bresa

nikshala

pre 16 godina

Why are those 'victims' with missing organs not coming forward? If the were killed, where are the graves? Where is the evidence.

This story is an absolute joke. I am not denying that any crimes were commited against serbs, but this story is so ridicuolous that not even serbs knew about it.

This woman has totally discredited herself with this book, and all her actions before. She has tainted the Hague tribunal and all the balkan war crime prosectutions for ever. She has made unfouded claims throughout her career, and by politicizing every prosecutiong and sticking her nose where it didn't belong she has actually harmed the initial intetions of the Hague tribunal - prosecute the war criminals and bring to light the crimes commited during the wars.

nikshala

pre 16 godina

Exactly that is the point, Mr? Where are the 100.000 Albanias killed by Milosevic? Where are their graves?

With all you have tried and said, nine years on no mass grave was ever found in Kosovo. The official number of the killed ones prior to the NATO bombinb stands at around 3000 people, all nationalities included plus men in uniforms...
(Ana, 25 March 2008 15:21)

Nobody is saying 100,000, but 10, 000.

And the fresh graves are all over Kosovo - you can come and visit them for yourself, if you don't believe me.

Mass graves of albanians have been found in Serbia as well.

My cousin was killed by serb mortarts and I know very well where his grave is - and so do thousands of other albanians the whereabout of the graves of their families.

And that irrefutable evidence.

If there was any truth in this sick story, we would have been hearing about it everyday for the last 9 years from the serbian politicians. And they would've have spent millions and millions of dollars to try and located the grave/bones of these victims. This would have been the biggest PR argument against independence, NATO, and everything else serb claim.

Don't you think its wierd then that this story has not been publicised before??

If there is some concrete evidence, I will be the first one to condem these crimes - but until then I am certain that these are just some dirty fabrications.

Where were these operations carried out in Albania? Who were the expert doctors? Who were the organs sold to?

Albania can hardly provide basic healthcare to its citizens, let alone have facilities and experts to carry out organ transplants! Albanians have to go to Italy for these operations.

bganon

pre 16 godina

These knee jerk denials won't convince anybody. I don't know how it works in Kosovo these days but necessary organs should undertake an investigation to see whether there is truth to the allegations.

Instead we have politicians using the opportunity to line up to bash Del Ponte and to claim some cheap political points.

The Swiss

pre 16 godina

Kosovo Protections Corps (KZK) spokesman Colonel Semsi Sulja told daily Koha Ditore that the former Hague prosecutor was “lying” and that here statements were “absurd.”

Of course, she woke up one morning and decided to write that kind of terrible story for fun...

Canadian

pre 16 godina

If just a "single" case is proved to be true, and there are people working around the clock investigating this than Albania and Kosovo are finished. I suppose there are a lot of Albanian politicians panicked right now wondering how well the graves of these poor victims are hidden, and if they should take the risk of moving the graves. Serbia is watching Albania very carefully.

Ana

pre 16 godina

But then again, the Albanians will, no doubt, accept all the accusations towards the Serbs by Del Ponte in her book and will probably use it for quotations...

All is true for the Serbs, all regarding the Albabians is a lie...

It is very funny to hear this from KZP whose first named boss is a war criminal Agim Ceku...so I guess, we should all believe what KZP says. But Del Ponte, oh yes, she is a lier, never mind she is not a war criminal. Why should we believe in her words?

Albanian

pre 16 godina

This is pure lie. I am Albanian but if this story is true, I think they shoukd not make politic with this tragedies, but look for responsible persons, and arrest them.
She could do nothing about Karadzic and Mladic, so she can just write stupid books without any evidence.
PURE LIE

bmrusila

pre 16 godina

Well, no one really expected that they are going to admit their “human and sophisticated” murderous methods that imply nothing else but monstrosity. The only way to prove Carla’s allegations as ridiculous is to reveal whereabouts of the bodies. If they fail to do so, then Carla’s allegations will be taken as truthful and very justifiable.

But sooner rather than later, the true face of Albanian nation will come to the surface.

Every time I read about these monstrosity done in the name of the so called "freedom" makes me vomit

Roger7

pre 16 godina

"Why are those 'victims' with missing organs not coming forward?"

Because they are dead.

If this is ever to be proven, a person of strong conscience, who is guilt ridden, will have to come forward and tell the truth.

By doing so, that person or person knows that their remaining days on this earth will be limited: when you become a snitch, organized crime is not forgiving.

Ana

pre 16 godina

RE: Nikshala "Why are those 'victims' with missing organs not coming forward? If the were killed, where are the graves? Where is the evidence."

Exactly that is the point, Mr? Where are the 100.000 Albanias killed by Milosevic? Where are their graves?

With all you have tried and said, nine years on no mass grave was ever found in Kosovo. The official number of the killed ones prior to the NATO bombinb stands at around 3000 people, all nationalities included plus men in uniforms...

tim

pre 16 godina

Last week we are reading articles of how Albanian women are abused, their terrible plight, now are are reading about organ traffic. Funny how these stories are starting to turn up. Must mean that western support is eroding. I expect there will be more "atrocity" stories to come.

Matthew

pre 16 godina

"Ahmet Isufi also rejected Del Ponte’s accusations.

“There were no actions taken against civilians or any nation… Such accusations are above all political. Anybody, not just politicians, can see that,” said Isufi."

We're all familiar with Ahmet's comments from his posts here.

He's also claimed those poor boys were deliberately drowned in the river (causing the 2004 riots), even naming a Serb that people should "ask about it", and that last years RPG attack on Decani was staged, that it was only an old rusty grenade that was simply placed on the rooftop (claims he went there and saw it for himself).

Unfortunately, Ahmet does not appear to be a reliable source for information.

lids

pre 16 godina

We all have seen pictures of UCK crimes not only against Serbians but Macedonians too,and we all know this monstrous act was one of many to come to light.
And we are to beleive peasants, turned politicians.
Please.!!!

vladimir

pre 16 godina

Waow!!!Carla Del Ponte after damning the serbs and prosectuting them a lot,some Croats less and now Albanians a little, she was excellent while prosecuting the Serbs and make all the others look like somewhat less guilty or not guilty at all,"undeniable" truth that has had serbia stigmatized as an "evil" nation,BUT now that she spoke a different story Colonel Sulija like many Albanese turn round and say "she is crazy' and "Absurd", the question being :did she just turned crazy and absurd of late?or was she smart until then?What happened? The chief prosecutor is a crazy person?!she is out of line for pointing fingers at you too now ?,is that not in her job description?

Ana

pre 16 godina

RE; Nikshala "Nobody is saying 100,000, but 10, 000.

And the fresh graves are all over Kosovo - you can come and visit them for yourself, if you don't believe me."

100.000 was used from your side to make NATO bomb. OFFICIALY it is 3000...You all spoke about Trepca, and when the UN and NATO forensics came to Kosovo after the bombing they could not find nothing in Trepca. They were CONFUSED!!! Wonder why...

Where are those fresh graves all around Kosovo that you are talking about? Haven't heard of them on the news...and if they are fresh, then it must be Serbs in side...

And here is an article that shows how the Albanian propaganda works...Imagine it is not Serbian, it is from The Wall Street Journal written by the late Daniel Pearl killed in Pakistan afew years later...

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/pearl123199.htm

michael

pre 16 godina

From the very onset of this illegal declaration by US backed terrorists, Kosovo Albanians consistently deny any wrong doing for anything that has occurred during their "watch" over Kosovo. This story is beyond shocking and horrific. Wouldn't our Albanian neighbors agree to this, or have you all placed blinders on your faces as per your instructions from Washington? If you can't believe this could have happened under the name of Albanian, then let us perhaps divert your attention to some proven facts.

Let us recap what Albanians have done:

-armed rebellion in order to achieve another Albanian State
-ethnically cleansed over 200,000 Serbs from Kosovo
- not allowed refugees the right to return to their homes/property
-killed thousands of Serbs/non Albanians
-destroyed hundreds of Orthodox Churches/monasteries
-Gold medal winners in Heroin and Sex slave industry..FACT!

Why now would your compassion for Serbians be any different now? ? You've been denying involvement in any criminal activities since solidarity with then Nazi Germany.

Roger7

pre 16 godina

Will the real Ahmet Isufi please stand up.

Matthew,
Now you have me questioning my judgement.
I am not sure that the Ahmet Isufi who frequently posts here is the fellow quoted in this piece. I could certainly be incorrect.

The Isufi who is a frequent poster seems rather inexperienced and uninformed especially on international issues.

The fellow's bio, in the piece, I thought was...
"AHMET (Limon) ISUFI, nicknamed "Rexha"
Born on October 1, 1961, in the village of Djuriševci, Municipality of Kosovska Kamenica. As a member of the "Albanikos" illegal group, he was sentenced to 9 years in prison in 1983. He was the commander of the KLA general staff in the Karadak zone, with the headquarters in the Zlaš village, Municipality of Priština. After the withdrawal of the members of Serbian Ministry of Internal Affairs and the YA forces from Kosovo and Metohija, he organized the assas sination of the Serbs from the territory of the municipalities of Gnjilane, Kosovska Kamenica, Kosovska Vitina and Novo Brdo, which were committed by the members of the so-called secret police, Gjumshit Osmani and Nazmi Bekteshi, both from Gnjilane, together with individuals from the criminal groups who had arrived from other regions or from the territory of Albania. Only in Gnjilane itself, over 100 ethnic Serbs were murdered, and Isufi personally signed the order for planting an explosive device in the mosque in downtown Gnjilane. He was also engaged in providing aid to the LAPMB members, recruitment and transfer of the former KLA members to southern Serbia. He is, also, engaged in the procurement and illegal arms delivery to the territory of the villages Dobrosin, Muhovac and Breznica, Municipality of Bujanovac. He was a member of the DSK presidium, Gnjilane branch, and now, in the capacity of an ABK member, headed by Ramush Haradinaj, he keeps the post of the minister of labor and social issues in the Government of Kosovo."

Matthew

pre 16 godina

Nikshala, I’m sorry for the loss of your cousin. No one should have to suffer like that, and we are all human beings. I heard similar stories from my family about their fate as well. Thank God it was not anything like what happened in WWII.

In regards to the accusations, as I’ve said before, that was a very common Urban Myth at the time (especially in South America), so I don’t put much credit in it. Even if it turns out to be true, I doubt it would get much attention. Crimes against Serbs are completely swept under the rug. I mean, think about it, the Albanians were rewarded for the 2004 riots, Standards Before Status was abandoned and the independence process speeded up as a result.

Roger, I’m certain it is the same individual and that would explain why he’s been too busy to post much lately. If you read all his earlier posts, you’ll see he claims to have a lot of inside information and access to areas a regular citizen would not have. He always claims to have firsthand information. It has to be the same person. Do a google search for his name on the B92 website (advanced options to search just this website) and read his posts with this in mind, it should be clear then. I’ve been trying to figure that out for at least a year now. If its not him, then he’s pretending to be him. I often google people’s names here, its sort of fun what you turn up.

Hopefully Ahmet won’t take it personally against me when I visit Pec. I’m really not such a bad guy, even though you once called me a sheep in wolves clothing.

Anyways Ahmet, congratulations on moving from the comments section to the main article.

When will B92 quote me on an article? Ha ha…

roberto

pre 16 godina

i assumed that this news as reported by b-92 would reignite a major hate fest (but has it ever stopped?) but this time it has exceeded even my expectations. thank you so much carla del ponte and b92 -- the professionalism of both is beyond doubt -- FAR beyond.

for myself, altho i do not believe these allegations, and i pray they are vicious lies, i cannot say so with 100 % certainty, and must wait and watch. a truly ugly story..


roberto from frisco

Bresa

pre 16 godina

Ana

It turns out that in your 3000 killed one albanian stands for 0.005 human being right?!

I have lived in Fushe Kosovo during the war (just 6 days after the NATO strikes) and terrible things have happended there. So you can play with numbers as much as you like but we know very well who did what.

I belive Del Ponte is overdoing the 'neutral' role , you don't mix victim with the offender Carla.

Her book may be intresting, but I am sure nothing has stopped her you from accusing Fatmir Limaj who turned out to be inocent. So don't tell me Del Ponte was affraid of Thaqi to accuse him.
This is what some internationals from the 'bird' perspective try to do: see we are 'neutral' see we are accusing albanians as well.

Do some of you here realise that before and during the war, it was very much 'generaly acceptable' to kill, imprision, rape ... an albanian (siptar) so please do not sound so much terryfied for some 'facts' that are not proven at all. After all it is a book.

May all the victims rest in peace and the criminals get waht they deserve ....

And just some of you do not get me wrong, if anything there is true then yes I agree with the serb community who are accusing her of hiding evidence. She was there to hunt war criminals, why she did not do it?
But which is true? is she hiding evidence or there is none? Be sure it is the latter one.

Bresa

B92

pre 16 godina

Dear Matthew, Roger,

Our reader who posted here as "Ahmet Isufi" also sent messages under at least half a dozen other nicknames, sometimes as a Serb.

We have no reason to believe that this particular person is in fact Mr. Isufi quoted in this article.

Regards,


B92