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Monday, 24.03.2008.

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Appeal to Greece not to recognize Kosovo

Greek minority living in Serbia have appealed to Greece to not recognize Kosovo’s unilateral secession.

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Dan Asta

pre 16 godina

Serbia's recognition of Macedonia by the name Macedonia, especially after all the political capital Greece spent defending Serbia in the 1990s, is the only reason why Greece might recognize Kosovo. Greece was really frosted when Serbia did that. There's been much talk that in exchange for support for Greece's position on the Macedonia name issue that Greece would recognize Kosovo.

Don't be surprised when this happens. Greece is looking for political capital to maintain its own security, a position that Serbia made more difficult when it recognized Macedonia by that name. No other country in the region officially recognizes Macedonia by that name, not Bulgaria, Romania, Albania, Croatia, Slovenia, Hungary, etc.

calpirinha

pre 16 godina

well, I would not be so proud that Chavez decided not to recognise Kosovo. There is nothing to be proud of him. Neither of Castro, China, Putin (Medvedev)or their friends all over the world. U beter stick to spain and their fears...

D.Laci

pre 16 godina

Clean Cut and Shqarthi.

I'm gone have to disagree with you. Last time I checked, 33-34 people qualified for Greek citizenship 3 of them being Catholic 1 Muslim and the rest Orthodox mainly from the Greek minority in Albania.
When Leonidas said that they'll never be Greek citizens, He's right, at the end of the day they are there for economical reasons the same thinks applies in Italy, not many emigrant have citizenship and some of them been there for over 10 years.

Nikitas,
I do have a clue I'm from Albania.
I don't now but five or six years ago if you were an illegal emigrant and you were baptized you can walk into a Police station and no one can touch you.
As for your friendly feelings speak for yourself and not in the name all Greeks.I've met lots of friendly Greeks in London and Albania and I must say that I do have have friendly feelings towards them

Now back to topic.
I believe Greece will eventually recognize Kosovo.

For the Greek posters in here!!
There are no threats or pressure being imposed on you
but if there are as I said on my previous comment are you
weaker than Slovakia or Romania,No!

uli

pre 16 godina

If Albanians politics was not going to be this much rewarding, people would not be doing politics anymore. Albania is poor because of our bad politicians. This is a lot of money for a small tiny country as Albania. If all this money was going to be invested wisely, we would no need to be immigrants in Eu and Greece, In Greece there is a lot of discrimination towards Albanians. It suck to be an Albanian in Greece. I would rather work for 300 Dollar a month in Albania then live in Greece and deal with all that burocracy and disrimination. Greece will regognize Kosova by the end of the year, just because Albania , Bulgaria and Greece are allies towards Macedonia.

peter, sydney

pre 16 godina

kiko:
Speculation built on speculation.. yep - certainly makes for a solid argument.

"Didn't know our spacing was the same. I think the only correlation bt the both of us is that we're from the US. I'm assuming that he is too. "

Use double-line spacing. 95% don't. That by itself is not definitive. But there are other similarities - structure, syntax etc. Couldn't be bothered going thru your past posts looking for 'markers' such as 'want' instead of 'won't' that 'D.Laci' uses. Will leave that for B92 to do if they are so inclined.

Was only pointing out to B92 the possibility as they mentioned the practice of 'single-person', 'multiple-user ids' not so long ago.

But co-incidences do happen.. if so, then apologies in advance.

Niko

pre 16 godina

Despite the threats and pressures that Greece is under by the EU and NATO the Greek goverment should not recognise kosovo.The have the
overwhelming support of the Greek people on the issue and they must adhere to that.All the political parties are also against the
illegal UDI and its recognition.The decision by the Greek goverment not to recognise Kosovo will not only emanate from our traditional friendship with the Serbian people but it will also show the rest of the word that the existence of the UN really matters.
(Leonidas, 24 March 2008 10:51)

Dear Leonidas,
Please kindly replace the word "Kosovo" with Cyprus and the word "Serbia" with Great Britain in your comments and see if you agree with yourself. Because Kosovo is to Albanians, whatever Cyprus was to Greeks. Kindly check the "terrorist" actions of EOKA and compare them with KLA's. You'll be suprised!

shqarthi

pre 16 godina

"Do you know what is the official status of the Albanians in Greece? Illegal
immigrants."
(Leonidas, 24 March 2008 18:22)

They have been illegal immigrants for 15 years now.
Greece has been a little behind of Europe with the immigration laws. In no country in Europe can people work as illegals for 15 years and not be able to get normal residence documents, and I am not talking about citizenship, just normal residence. It is understandable, Greece has always been a country of immigrants and hundreds of thousands of immigrants coming in (from Albania) in a few years came as a surprise and it can be a big challenge for any country, especially a small country like Greece. It was unprepared. But now Greece is standardizing its immigration laws with the rest of Europe and you can expect a large number of Albanians to get Greek citizenship and renounce the Albanian one. But I don't think that it will change very much the politics of Greece, like Clean Cut says. In the end they will vote for one of the political parties there, just like every Greek citizen. You mainly have two choices in Greece when it comes to voting.

une

pre 16 godina

how funny. only coutries that have no freedom of speech, no democracy like china, russia, venezuela are against UDI.. Keep it up Serbia soon you will be floating in the orbit of motehr Russia just like a satellite state.

kiko

pre 16 godina

B92:

Are 'D.Laci', & 'kiko' the same person?

Styles & spacing are similar.

And 'kiko' uses a speculative comment made by 'D.Laci', who doesn't appear to be greek, to lambast 'Greece'.

While the comment itself is trivial in content & of no real concern, does raise the possibility that the first comment 'sets up' the second.
(peter, sydney, 24 March 2008 15:56)


Sorry Peter but I'm not D.laci nor am I lambasting Greece as you perceive to believe. Just throwing religion around as most serbs have done to point that Kosovo/a is a Jihadist state of some sort. And that it will become a terror state like the Bishop of Kosovo/a told the world in Washington and other events he had here in the States.

Its ironic that when ppl talk of the region they never talk about how intertwined all these groups are. That they have more similarities then dissimilarities.

The Serbs never talk about Christian Albanians at all. That there are Catholic and Orthodox Albanians. I wonder why?

Didn't know our spacing was the same. I think the only correlation bt the both of us is that we're from the US. I'm assuming that he is too.

Peace to all......

adrian/bucharest

pre 16 godina

Since all the countries that have recognized the UDI are invoking so much "pressure" from US or EU I think this public appeal is quite inappropriate. I don't think this appeal will influence Greece's position, but only tries to capture the serbian sympathy. IN my opinion, Greece will not recognaize the UDI in the near future anyway so this kind of appeal is only putting pressure on Greece. I mean Thaci&Co came up with the UDI, a group of countries said no thank you, so good bye! What's the story? Do we have to insist on this issue every three days?

Leonidas

pre 16 godina

You'll taste the real Greece in a few years when half million Albanians over there become voters overnight. Then you will understand what a mistake you have made as a nation to turn your back on a peace deal with Albanians when the time was right. Well, too bad...for you!
(Clean Cut, 24 March 2008 12:09)
Do you know what is the official status of the Albanians in Greece? Illegal
immigrants.Only Greek nationals can take part in national elections and EU citizens in EU elections.One thing for certain is that Albanians will never become Greek nationals.
As to your veiled threats we're used to them and we totally ignore them.

EA

pre 16 godina

Does B92 know about the appeal of more tha 500.000 Albanians living and working in Greece to the Greek government to recognise Kosova's independence?

I personally do not expect any recognition from any communist countries including the leaders like Chavez and Kastro.

luigi

pre 16 godina

Greece will eventually recognize Kosovo it's only a matter of time but only after Spain and that actually is the big problem in EU this is what we read in the Italian Newspaper
The Spanish position is the main problem because kosovo it's only a little piece in a "war" between the main countries of Eu in some decisions that are due to be made in EU.. So if all the other things will go smoothly we will see a U-turn by Spain after the summer..
My predistion of course

Ptoleme

pre 16 godina

B92, in the article, why is state quoted? If it was quoted in its original context, then why doesn't the sentence containing the word state have any quotes?

kiko

pre 16 godina

"2 The Orthodox Church can order your government not to recognize Kosovo. " D. Laci


What ever happened to separation of Church and State?


Or is Greece run by its priests and not the Elected Politicians by its citizens? Maybe its like one of those Islamic countries run by their Mufti's and clergy?

Whatever my thoughts were of Greece were just shattered if what D.Laci is true that the Church can order policy in Greece with a wave of a priests hand. POOF obey or be exiled!

SAD I SAY! What happened to democracy?

peter, sydney

pre 16 godina

B92:

Are 'D.Laci', & 'kiko' the same person?

Styles & spacing are similar.

And 'kiko' uses a speculative comment made by 'D.Laci', who doesn't appear to be greek, to lambast 'Greece'.

While the comment itself is trivial in content & of no real concern, does raise the possibility that the first comment 'sets up' the second.

Nikitas

pre 16 godina

*6 D.Laci
Your 2nd "solution" is the idea that some people with no grasp of reality in Greece have. There is no such thing as an imposion of any kind of Churches demands on the Greek goverment.

NATO bombings werent performed by planes coming from Greece nor they were supported by us. Unfortunately the airbase the awaks were taking off, is in Greece, but Greek authorities had no saying in that since it is a NATO base, with NATO personel. I remember people protesting outside ofthat base during the bombings, but unfortunately, they couldnt do more than that. What they did though in Thessaloniki was to ridicule the NATO ground troops, misleading them and sending them elsewhere instead of the road to ex-Yugoslavia.

As for *5 Clean cut.
It just shows what your attidute is and why Greeks never had nor will ever have any kind of friendly feelings towards albanians. Keep this spirit up, it makes you look even more mistaken in the Kossovo, Fyrom and any other albanistan claims :)

Maks

pre 16 godina

Every time an appeal for not recognize Kosovo was made, what happened is it bring the case forward and in a few days the recognition happen. So Serbia is making a big favor to Kosovo recognition process.

Pyrros

pre 16 godina

Leonida,
AWACS's used to take off and land from Aktion, during the 99 crimes against Serbia, to the best of my knowledge.
However the bomber planes were taking off from Italy i think.

Spain did *the least* she could do by not recognizing, after her participation in the '99 crimes.

Clean Cut

pre 16 godina

You'll taste the real Greece in a few years when half million Albanians over there become voters overnight. Then you will understand what a mistake you have made as a nation to turn your back on a peace deal with Albanians when the time was right. Well, too bad...for you!

D.Laci

pre 16 godina

Leonidas,

Are you afraid that Greece will eventually recognize?

Now, regarding the pressure and threats you are mentioning, can't you just fall in line with Spain, Slovakia, Romania and Cyprus, yor're not weaker then them, are you?

I'll give you 2 solutions.

1 Greece can easily say that we're not going to recognize Kosovo due to our frienship with Serbia.(Politically, Greece will not recognize outside UN)
2 The Orthodox Church can order your government not to recognize Kosovo.

See, job DONE!! and you want have any excuse for it later.

Good Luck on that!!

Leonidas

pre 16 godina

However Leonidas, if we the Greeks were to advocate international law & justice we should deny access to the NATO bases in Greece during the 99 crimes against Serbia, and we would distant our country from this disgrace of mission called EULEX.
Helping (emotionally) Serbia and at the same time endorsing EULEX are two stances mutually exclusive.
EULEX is NATO's/EU's way of stealing foreign countries territories by the bare use of military power. no more no less than that.
(Pyrros, 24 March 2008 11:08)
Pyrros, Greece didn't allow the use of any Greek space in the bombing of Serbia.Have
you forgotten the public outcry in Greece over the bombing of Serbia? The Greeks
went through the same motions
as the Serbs.The Greeks and Serbs are connected through history,faith and culture and this will always be the case.With regard to EULEX it wouldn't matter whether Greece agreed or not.Cyprus vetoed EULEX and its veto was overriden.
Greek government has moved forward from the policies of hate. Greek authorities are now meeting Turkish authorities and Albanian authorities and have very good bilateral relations, Cyprus parts are negotiating. Greeks have no need to return to policies that suit Serbia only and break ties with neighbours and EU.

Future of Greece is EU and they know this not path that Serbia offers.
(Olf, 24 March 2008 11:39)

It has been the policy of all Greek goverments in the past 25 years to help all the balkan countries to develop and integrate with EU.It is true that we've moved away from the policies of hate& nationalism and we instead are looking for good
neighbouring relations based on existing borders.That doesn't mean that we support the illegal UDI in kosovo and if it was up to the Greek people we'll never have recognised it.

Pyrros

pre 16 godina

However Leonidas, if we the Greeks were to advocate international law & justice we should deny access to the NATO bases in Greece during the 99 crimes against Serbia, and we would distant our country from this disgrace of mission called EULEX.
Helping (emotionally) Serbia and at the same time endorsing EULEX are two stances mutually exclusive.
EULEX is NATO's/EU's way of stealing foreign countries territories by the bare use of military power. no more no less than that.

Olf

pre 16 godina

Greeks have supported NATO strikes in 1999. What makes someone think that they will not recognise Independence of Kosova. Greek government has moved forward from the policies of hate. Greek authorities are now meeting Turkish authorities and Albanian authorities and have very good bilateral relations, Cyprus parts are negotiating. Greeks have no need to return to policies that suit Serbia only and break ties with neighbours and EU.

Future of Greece is EU and they know this not path that Serbia offers.

bmrusila

pre 16 godina

I thank our Greek minority for the support and their appeal on official Athens not to recognise Kosovo. I wish common sense will prevail in Greek politicians, but it is just the question under how huge pressure they are going to be.
´

Leonidas

pre 16 godina

Despite the threats and pressures that Greece is under by the EU and NATO the Greek goverment should not recognise kosovo.The have the
overwhelming support of the Greek people on the issue and they must adhere to that.All the political parties are also against the
illegal UDI and its recognition.The decision by the Greek goverment not to recognise Kosovo will not only emanate from our traditional friendship with the Serbian people but it will also show the rest of the word that the existence of the UN really matters.

Leonidas

pre 16 godina

Despite the threats and pressures that Greece is under by the EU and NATO the Greek goverment should not recognise kosovo.The have the
overwhelming support of the Greek people on the issue and they must adhere to that.All the political parties are also against the
illegal UDI and its recognition.The decision by the Greek goverment not to recognise Kosovo will not only emanate from our traditional friendship with the Serbian people but it will also show the rest of the word that the existence of the UN really matters.

Pyrros

pre 16 godina

However Leonidas, if we the Greeks were to advocate international law & justice we should deny access to the NATO bases in Greece during the 99 crimes against Serbia, and we would distant our country from this disgrace of mission called EULEX.
Helping (emotionally) Serbia and at the same time endorsing EULEX are two stances mutually exclusive.
EULEX is NATO's/EU's way of stealing foreign countries territories by the bare use of military power. no more no less than that.

bmrusila

pre 16 godina

I thank our Greek minority for the support and their appeal on official Athens not to recognise Kosovo. I wish common sense will prevail in Greek politicians, but it is just the question under how huge pressure they are going to be.
´

Leonidas

pre 16 godina

However Leonidas, if we the Greeks were to advocate international law & justice we should deny access to the NATO bases in Greece during the 99 crimes against Serbia, and we would distant our country from this disgrace of mission called EULEX.
Helping (emotionally) Serbia and at the same time endorsing EULEX are two stances mutually exclusive.
EULEX is NATO's/EU's way of stealing foreign countries territories by the bare use of military power. no more no less than that.
(Pyrros, 24 March 2008 11:08)
Pyrros, Greece didn't allow the use of any Greek space in the bombing of Serbia.Have
you forgotten the public outcry in Greece over the bombing of Serbia? The Greeks
went through the same motions
as the Serbs.The Greeks and Serbs are connected through history,faith and culture and this will always be the case.With regard to EULEX it wouldn't matter whether Greece agreed or not.Cyprus vetoed EULEX and its veto was overriden.
Greek government has moved forward from the policies of hate. Greek authorities are now meeting Turkish authorities and Albanian authorities and have very good bilateral relations, Cyprus parts are negotiating. Greeks have no need to return to policies that suit Serbia only and break ties with neighbours and EU.

Future of Greece is EU and they know this not path that Serbia offers.
(Olf, 24 March 2008 11:39)

It has been the policy of all Greek goverments in the past 25 years to help all the balkan countries to develop and integrate with EU.It is true that we've moved away from the policies of hate& nationalism and we instead are looking for good
neighbouring relations based on existing borders.That doesn't mean that we support the illegal UDI in kosovo and if it was up to the Greek people we'll never have recognised it.

Nikitas

pre 16 godina

*6 D.Laci
Your 2nd "solution" is the idea that some people with no grasp of reality in Greece have. There is no such thing as an imposion of any kind of Churches demands on the Greek goverment.

NATO bombings werent performed by planes coming from Greece nor they were supported by us. Unfortunately the airbase the awaks were taking off, is in Greece, but Greek authorities had no saying in that since it is a NATO base, with NATO personel. I remember people protesting outside ofthat base during the bombings, but unfortunately, they couldnt do more than that. What they did though in Thessaloniki was to ridicule the NATO ground troops, misleading them and sending them elsewhere instead of the road to ex-Yugoslavia.

As for *5 Clean cut.
It just shows what your attidute is and why Greeks never had nor will ever have any kind of friendly feelings towards albanians. Keep this spirit up, it makes you look even more mistaken in the Kossovo, Fyrom and any other albanistan claims :)

Pyrros

pre 16 godina

Leonida,
AWACS's used to take off and land from Aktion, during the 99 crimes against Serbia, to the best of my knowledge.
However the bomber planes were taking off from Italy i think.

Spain did *the least* she could do by not recognizing, after her participation in the '99 crimes.

Clean Cut

pre 16 godina

You'll taste the real Greece in a few years when half million Albanians over there become voters overnight. Then you will understand what a mistake you have made as a nation to turn your back on a peace deal with Albanians when the time was right. Well, too bad...for you!

peter, sydney

pre 16 godina

B92:

Are 'D.Laci', & 'kiko' the same person?

Styles & spacing are similar.

And 'kiko' uses a speculative comment made by 'D.Laci', who doesn't appear to be greek, to lambast 'Greece'.

While the comment itself is trivial in content & of no real concern, does raise the possibility that the first comment 'sets up' the second.

Leonidas

pre 16 godina

You'll taste the real Greece in a few years when half million Albanians over there become voters overnight. Then you will understand what a mistake you have made as a nation to turn your back on a peace deal with Albanians when the time was right. Well, too bad...for you!
(Clean Cut, 24 March 2008 12:09)
Do you know what is the official status of the Albanians in Greece? Illegal
immigrants.Only Greek nationals can take part in national elections and EU citizens in EU elections.One thing for certain is that Albanians will never become Greek nationals.
As to your veiled threats we're used to them and we totally ignore them.

Olf

pre 16 godina

Greeks have supported NATO strikes in 1999. What makes someone think that they will not recognise Independence of Kosova. Greek government has moved forward from the policies of hate. Greek authorities are now meeting Turkish authorities and Albanian authorities and have very good bilateral relations, Cyprus parts are negotiating. Greeks have no need to return to policies that suit Serbia only and break ties with neighbours and EU.

Future of Greece is EU and they know this not path that Serbia offers.

kiko

pre 16 godina

"2 The Orthodox Church can order your government not to recognize Kosovo. " D. Laci


What ever happened to separation of Church and State?


Or is Greece run by its priests and not the Elected Politicians by its citizens? Maybe its like one of those Islamic countries run by their Mufti's and clergy?

Whatever my thoughts were of Greece were just shattered if what D.Laci is true that the Church can order policy in Greece with a wave of a priests hand. POOF obey or be exiled!

SAD I SAY! What happened to democracy?

D.Laci

pre 16 godina

Leonidas,

Are you afraid that Greece will eventually recognize?

Now, regarding the pressure and threats you are mentioning, can't you just fall in line with Spain, Slovakia, Romania and Cyprus, yor're not weaker then them, are you?

I'll give you 2 solutions.

1 Greece can easily say that we're not going to recognize Kosovo due to our frienship with Serbia.(Politically, Greece will not recognize outside UN)
2 The Orthodox Church can order your government not to recognize Kosovo.

See, job DONE!! and you want have any excuse for it later.

Good Luck on that!!

Maks

pre 16 godina

Every time an appeal for not recognize Kosovo was made, what happened is it bring the case forward and in a few days the recognition happen. So Serbia is making a big favor to Kosovo recognition process.

adrian/bucharest

pre 16 godina

Since all the countries that have recognized the UDI are invoking so much "pressure" from US or EU I think this public appeal is quite inappropriate. I don't think this appeal will influence Greece's position, but only tries to capture the serbian sympathy. IN my opinion, Greece will not recognaize the UDI in the near future anyway so this kind of appeal is only putting pressure on Greece. I mean Thaci&Co came up with the UDI, a group of countries said no thank you, so good bye! What's the story? Do we have to insist on this issue every three days?

kiko

pre 16 godina

B92:

Are 'D.Laci', & 'kiko' the same person?

Styles & spacing are similar.

And 'kiko' uses a speculative comment made by 'D.Laci', who doesn't appear to be greek, to lambast 'Greece'.

While the comment itself is trivial in content & of no real concern, does raise the possibility that the first comment 'sets up' the second.
(peter, sydney, 24 March 2008 15:56)


Sorry Peter but I'm not D.laci nor am I lambasting Greece as you perceive to believe. Just throwing religion around as most serbs have done to point that Kosovo/a is a Jihadist state of some sort. And that it will become a terror state like the Bishop of Kosovo/a told the world in Washington and other events he had here in the States.

Its ironic that when ppl talk of the region they never talk about how intertwined all these groups are. That they have more similarities then dissimilarities.

The Serbs never talk about Christian Albanians at all. That there are Catholic and Orthodox Albanians. I wonder why?

Didn't know our spacing was the same. I think the only correlation bt the both of us is that we're from the US. I'm assuming that he is too.

Peace to all......

luigi

pre 16 godina

Greece will eventually recognize Kosovo it's only a matter of time but only after Spain and that actually is the big problem in EU this is what we read in the Italian Newspaper
The Spanish position is the main problem because kosovo it's only a little piece in a "war" between the main countries of Eu in some decisions that are due to be made in EU.. So if all the other things will go smoothly we will see a U-turn by Spain after the summer..
My predistion of course

une

pre 16 godina

how funny. only coutries that have no freedom of speech, no democracy like china, russia, venezuela are against UDI.. Keep it up Serbia soon you will be floating in the orbit of motehr Russia just like a satellite state.

EA

pre 16 godina

Does B92 know about the appeal of more tha 500.000 Albanians living and working in Greece to the Greek government to recognise Kosova's independence?

I personally do not expect any recognition from any communist countries including the leaders like Chavez and Kastro.

shqarthi

pre 16 godina

"Do you know what is the official status of the Albanians in Greece? Illegal
immigrants."
(Leonidas, 24 March 2008 18:22)

They have been illegal immigrants for 15 years now.
Greece has been a little behind of Europe with the immigration laws. In no country in Europe can people work as illegals for 15 years and not be able to get normal residence documents, and I am not talking about citizenship, just normal residence. It is understandable, Greece has always been a country of immigrants and hundreds of thousands of immigrants coming in (from Albania) in a few years came as a surprise and it can be a big challenge for any country, especially a small country like Greece. It was unprepared. But now Greece is standardizing its immigration laws with the rest of Europe and you can expect a large number of Albanians to get Greek citizenship and renounce the Albanian one. But I don't think that it will change very much the politics of Greece, like Clean Cut says. In the end they will vote for one of the political parties there, just like every Greek citizen. You mainly have two choices in Greece when it comes to voting.

calpirinha

pre 16 godina

well, I would not be so proud that Chavez decided not to recognise Kosovo. There is nothing to be proud of him. Neither of Castro, China, Putin (Medvedev)or their friends all over the world. U beter stick to spain and their fears...

Ptoleme

pre 16 godina

B92, in the article, why is state quoted? If it was quoted in its original context, then why doesn't the sentence containing the word state have any quotes?

Dan Asta

pre 16 godina

Serbia's recognition of Macedonia by the name Macedonia, especially after all the political capital Greece spent defending Serbia in the 1990s, is the only reason why Greece might recognize Kosovo. Greece was really frosted when Serbia did that. There's been much talk that in exchange for support for Greece's position on the Macedonia name issue that Greece would recognize Kosovo.

Don't be surprised when this happens. Greece is looking for political capital to maintain its own security, a position that Serbia made more difficult when it recognized Macedonia by that name. No other country in the region officially recognizes Macedonia by that name, not Bulgaria, Romania, Albania, Croatia, Slovenia, Hungary, etc.

Niko

pre 16 godina

Despite the threats and pressures that Greece is under by the EU and NATO the Greek goverment should not recognise kosovo.The have the
overwhelming support of the Greek people on the issue and they must adhere to that.All the political parties are also against the
illegal UDI and its recognition.The decision by the Greek goverment not to recognise Kosovo will not only emanate from our traditional friendship with the Serbian people but it will also show the rest of the word that the existence of the UN really matters.
(Leonidas, 24 March 2008 10:51)

Dear Leonidas,
Please kindly replace the word "Kosovo" with Cyprus and the word "Serbia" with Great Britain in your comments and see if you agree with yourself. Because Kosovo is to Albanians, whatever Cyprus was to Greeks. Kindly check the "terrorist" actions of EOKA and compare them with KLA's. You'll be suprised!

peter, sydney

pre 16 godina

kiko:
Speculation built on speculation.. yep - certainly makes for a solid argument.

"Didn't know our spacing was the same. I think the only correlation bt the both of us is that we're from the US. I'm assuming that he is too. "

Use double-line spacing. 95% don't. That by itself is not definitive. But there are other similarities - structure, syntax etc. Couldn't be bothered going thru your past posts looking for 'markers' such as 'want' instead of 'won't' that 'D.Laci' uses. Will leave that for B92 to do if they are so inclined.

Was only pointing out to B92 the possibility as they mentioned the practice of 'single-person', 'multiple-user ids' not so long ago.

But co-incidences do happen.. if so, then apologies in advance.

uli

pre 16 godina

If Albanians politics was not going to be this much rewarding, people would not be doing politics anymore. Albania is poor because of our bad politicians. This is a lot of money for a small tiny country as Albania. If all this money was going to be invested wisely, we would no need to be immigrants in Eu and Greece, In Greece there is a lot of discrimination towards Albanians. It suck to be an Albanian in Greece. I would rather work for 300 Dollar a month in Albania then live in Greece and deal with all that burocracy and disrimination. Greece will regognize Kosova by the end of the year, just because Albania , Bulgaria and Greece are allies towards Macedonia.

D.Laci

pre 16 godina

Clean Cut and Shqarthi.

I'm gone have to disagree with you. Last time I checked, 33-34 people qualified for Greek citizenship 3 of them being Catholic 1 Muslim and the rest Orthodox mainly from the Greek minority in Albania.
When Leonidas said that they'll never be Greek citizens, He's right, at the end of the day they are there for economical reasons the same thinks applies in Italy, not many emigrant have citizenship and some of them been there for over 10 years.

Nikitas,
I do have a clue I'm from Albania.
I don't now but five or six years ago if you were an illegal emigrant and you were baptized you can walk into a Police station and no one can touch you.
As for your friendly feelings speak for yourself and not in the name all Greeks.I've met lots of friendly Greeks in London and Albania and I must say that I do have have friendly feelings towards them

Now back to topic.
I believe Greece will eventually recognize Kosovo.

For the Greek posters in here!!
There are no threats or pressure being imposed on you
but if there are as I said on my previous comment are you
weaker than Slovakia or Romania,No!

Olf

pre 16 godina

Greeks have supported NATO strikes in 1999. What makes someone think that they will not recognise Independence of Kosova. Greek government has moved forward from the policies of hate. Greek authorities are now meeting Turkish authorities and Albanian authorities and have very good bilateral relations, Cyprus parts are negotiating. Greeks have no need to return to policies that suit Serbia only and break ties with neighbours and EU.

Future of Greece is EU and they know this not path that Serbia offers.

Clean Cut

pre 16 godina

You'll taste the real Greece in a few years when half million Albanians over there become voters overnight. Then you will understand what a mistake you have made as a nation to turn your back on a peace deal with Albanians when the time was right. Well, too bad...for you!

Maks

pre 16 godina

Every time an appeal for not recognize Kosovo was made, what happened is it bring the case forward and in a few days the recognition happen. So Serbia is making a big favor to Kosovo recognition process.

kiko

pre 16 godina

"2 The Orthodox Church can order your government not to recognize Kosovo. " D. Laci


What ever happened to separation of Church and State?


Or is Greece run by its priests and not the Elected Politicians by its citizens? Maybe its like one of those Islamic countries run by their Mufti's and clergy?

Whatever my thoughts were of Greece were just shattered if what D.Laci is true that the Church can order policy in Greece with a wave of a priests hand. POOF obey or be exiled!

SAD I SAY! What happened to democracy?

D.Laci

pre 16 godina

Leonidas,

Are you afraid that Greece will eventually recognize?

Now, regarding the pressure and threats you are mentioning, can't you just fall in line with Spain, Slovakia, Romania and Cyprus, yor're not weaker then them, are you?

I'll give you 2 solutions.

1 Greece can easily say that we're not going to recognize Kosovo due to our frienship with Serbia.(Politically, Greece will not recognize outside UN)
2 The Orthodox Church can order your government not to recognize Kosovo.

See, job DONE!! and you want have any excuse for it later.

Good Luck on that!!

luigi

pre 16 godina

Greece will eventually recognize Kosovo it's only a matter of time but only after Spain and that actually is the big problem in EU this is what we read in the Italian Newspaper
The Spanish position is the main problem because kosovo it's only a little piece in a "war" between the main countries of Eu in some decisions that are due to be made in EU.. So if all the other things will go smoothly we will see a U-turn by Spain after the summer..
My predistion of course

EA

pre 16 godina

Does B92 know about the appeal of more tha 500.000 Albanians living and working in Greece to the Greek government to recognise Kosova's independence?

I personally do not expect any recognition from any communist countries including the leaders like Chavez and Kastro.

une

pre 16 godina

how funny. only coutries that have no freedom of speech, no democracy like china, russia, venezuela are against UDI.. Keep it up Serbia soon you will be floating in the orbit of motehr Russia just like a satellite state.

Pyrros

pre 16 godina

However Leonidas, if we the Greeks were to advocate international law & justice we should deny access to the NATO bases in Greece during the 99 crimes against Serbia, and we would distant our country from this disgrace of mission called EULEX.
Helping (emotionally) Serbia and at the same time endorsing EULEX are two stances mutually exclusive.
EULEX is NATO's/EU's way of stealing foreign countries territories by the bare use of military power. no more no less than that.

Ptoleme

pre 16 godina

B92, in the article, why is state quoted? If it was quoted in its original context, then why doesn't the sentence containing the word state have any quotes?

shqarthi

pre 16 godina

"Do you know what is the official status of the Albanians in Greece? Illegal
immigrants."
(Leonidas, 24 March 2008 18:22)

They have been illegal immigrants for 15 years now.
Greece has been a little behind of Europe with the immigration laws. In no country in Europe can people work as illegals for 15 years and not be able to get normal residence documents, and I am not talking about citizenship, just normal residence. It is understandable, Greece has always been a country of immigrants and hundreds of thousands of immigrants coming in (from Albania) in a few years came as a surprise and it can be a big challenge for any country, especially a small country like Greece. It was unprepared. But now Greece is standardizing its immigration laws with the rest of Europe and you can expect a large number of Albanians to get Greek citizenship and renounce the Albanian one. But I don't think that it will change very much the politics of Greece, like Clean Cut says. In the end they will vote for one of the political parties there, just like every Greek citizen. You mainly have two choices in Greece when it comes to voting.

Leonidas

pre 16 godina

Despite the threats and pressures that Greece is under by the EU and NATO the Greek goverment should not recognise kosovo.The have the
overwhelming support of the Greek people on the issue and they must adhere to that.All the political parties are also against the
illegal UDI and its recognition.The decision by the Greek goverment not to recognise Kosovo will not only emanate from our traditional friendship with the Serbian people but it will also show the rest of the word that the existence of the UN really matters.

bmrusila

pre 16 godina

I thank our Greek minority for the support and their appeal on official Athens not to recognise Kosovo. I wish common sense will prevail in Greek politicians, but it is just the question under how huge pressure they are going to be.
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Leonidas

pre 16 godina

However Leonidas, if we the Greeks were to advocate international law & justice we should deny access to the NATO bases in Greece during the 99 crimes against Serbia, and we would distant our country from this disgrace of mission called EULEX.
Helping (emotionally) Serbia and at the same time endorsing EULEX are two stances mutually exclusive.
EULEX is NATO's/EU's way of stealing foreign countries territories by the bare use of military power. no more no less than that.
(Pyrros, 24 March 2008 11:08)
Pyrros, Greece didn't allow the use of any Greek space in the bombing of Serbia.Have
you forgotten the public outcry in Greece over the bombing of Serbia? The Greeks
went through the same motions
as the Serbs.The Greeks and Serbs are connected through history,faith and culture and this will always be the case.With regard to EULEX it wouldn't matter whether Greece agreed or not.Cyprus vetoed EULEX and its veto was overriden.
Greek government has moved forward from the policies of hate. Greek authorities are now meeting Turkish authorities and Albanian authorities and have very good bilateral relations, Cyprus parts are negotiating. Greeks have no need to return to policies that suit Serbia only and break ties with neighbours and EU.

Future of Greece is EU and they know this not path that Serbia offers.
(Olf, 24 March 2008 11:39)

It has been the policy of all Greek goverments in the past 25 years to help all the balkan countries to develop and integrate with EU.It is true that we've moved away from the policies of hate& nationalism and we instead are looking for good
neighbouring relations based on existing borders.That doesn't mean that we support the illegal UDI in kosovo and if it was up to the Greek people we'll never have recognised it.

Nikitas

pre 16 godina

*6 D.Laci
Your 2nd "solution" is the idea that some people with no grasp of reality in Greece have. There is no such thing as an imposion of any kind of Churches demands on the Greek goverment.

NATO bombings werent performed by planes coming from Greece nor they were supported by us. Unfortunately the airbase the awaks were taking off, is in Greece, but Greek authorities had no saying in that since it is a NATO base, with NATO personel. I remember people protesting outside ofthat base during the bombings, but unfortunately, they couldnt do more than that. What they did though in Thessaloniki was to ridicule the NATO ground troops, misleading them and sending them elsewhere instead of the road to ex-Yugoslavia.

As for *5 Clean cut.
It just shows what your attidute is and why Greeks never had nor will ever have any kind of friendly feelings towards albanians. Keep this spirit up, it makes you look even more mistaken in the Kossovo, Fyrom and any other albanistan claims :)

peter, sydney

pre 16 godina

B92:

Are 'D.Laci', & 'kiko' the same person?

Styles & spacing are similar.

And 'kiko' uses a speculative comment made by 'D.Laci', who doesn't appear to be greek, to lambast 'Greece'.

While the comment itself is trivial in content & of no real concern, does raise the possibility that the first comment 'sets up' the second.

kiko

pre 16 godina

B92:

Are 'D.Laci', & 'kiko' the same person?

Styles & spacing are similar.

And 'kiko' uses a speculative comment made by 'D.Laci', who doesn't appear to be greek, to lambast 'Greece'.

While the comment itself is trivial in content & of no real concern, does raise the possibility that the first comment 'sets up' the second.
(peter, sydney, 24 March 2008 15:56)


Sorry Peter but I'm not D.laci nor am I lambasting Greece as you perceive to believe. Just throwing religion around as most serbs have done to point that Kosovo/a is a Jihadist state of some sort. And that it will become a terror state like the Bishop of Kosovo/a told the world in Washington and other events he had here in the States.

Its ironic that when ppl talk of the region they never talk about how intertwined all these groups are. That they have more similarities then dissimilarities.

The Serbs never talk about Christian Albanians at all. That there are Catholic and Orthodox Albanians. I wonder why?

Didn't know our spacing was the same. I think the only correlation bt the both of us is that we're from the US. I'm assuming that he is too.

Peace to all......

Pyrros

pre 16 godina

Leonida,
AWACS's used to take off and land from Aktion, during the 99 crimes against Serbia, to the best of my knowledge.
However the bomber planes were taking off from Italy i think.

Spain did *the least* she could do by not recognizing, after her participation in the '99 crimes.

Leonidas

pre 16 godina

You'll taste the real Greece in a few years when half million Albanians over there become voters overnight. Then you will understand what a mistake you have made as a nation to turn your back on a peace deal with Albanians when the time was right. Well, too bad...for you!
(Clean Cut, 24 March 2008 12:09)
Do you know what is the official status of the Albanians in Greece? Illegal
immigrants.Only Greek nationals can take part in national elections and EU citizens in EU elections.One thing for certain is that Albanians will never become Greek nationals.
As to your veiled threats we're used to them and we totally ignore them.

adrian/bucharest

pre 16 godina

Since all the countries that have recognized the UDI are invoking so much "pressure" from US or EU I think this public appeal is quite inappropriate. I don't think this appeal will influence Greece's position, but only tries to capture the serbian sympathy. IN my opinion, Greece will not recognaize the UDI in the near future anyway so this kind of appeal is only putting pressure on Greece. I mean Thaci&Co came up with the UDI, a group of countries said no thank you, so good bye! What's the story? Do we have to insist on this issue every three days?

Niko

pre 16 godina

Despite the threats and pressures that Greece is under by the EU and NATO the Greek goverment should not recognise kosovo.The have the
overwhelming support of the Greek people on the issue and they must adhere to that.All the political parties are also against the
illegal UDI and its recognition.The decision by the Greek goverment not to recognise Kosovo will not only emanate from our traditional friendship with the Serbian people but it will also show the rest of the word that the existence of the UN really matters.
(Leonidas, 24 March 2008 10:51)

Dear Leonidas,
Please kindly replace the word "Kosovo" with Cyprus and the word "Serbia" with Great Britain in your comments and see if you agree with yourself. Because Kosovo is to Albanians, whatever Cyprus was to Greeks. Kindly check the "terrorist" actions of EOKA and compare them with KLA's. You'll be suprised!

peter, sydney

pre 16 godina

kiko:
Speculation built on speculation.. yep - certainly makes for a solid argument.

"Didn't know our spacing was the same. I think the only correlation bt the both of us is that we're from the US. I'm assuming that he is too. "

Use double-line spacing. 95% don't. That by itself is not definitive. But there are other similarities - structure, syntax etc. Couldn't be bothered going thru your past posts looking for 'markers' such as 'want' instead of 'won't' that 'D.Laci' uses. Will leave that for B92 to do if they are so inclined.

Was only pointing out to B92 the possibility as they mentioned the practice of 'single-person', 'multiple-user ids' not so long ago.

But co-incidences do happen.. if so, then apologies in advance.

uli

pre 16 godina

If Albanians politics was not going to be this much rewarding, people would not be doing politics anymore. Albania is poor because of our bad politicians. This is a lot of money for a small tiny country as Albania. If all this money was going to be invested wisely, we would no need to be immigrants in Eu and Greece, In Greece there is a lot of discrimination towards Albanians. It suck to be an Albanian in Greece. I would rather work for 300 Dollar a month in Albania then live in Greece and deal with all that burocracy and disrimination. Greece will regognize Kosova by the end of the year, just because Albania , Bulgaria and Greece are allies towards Macedonia.

D.Laci

pre 16 godina

Clean Cut and Shqarthi.

I'm gone have to disagree with you. Last time I checked, 33-34 people qualified for Greek citizenship 3 of them being Catholic 1 Muslim and the rest Orthodox mainly from the Greek minority in Albania.
When Leonidas said that they'll never be Greek citizens, He's right, at the end of the day they are there for economical reasons the same thinks applies in Italy, not many emigrant have citizenship and some of them been there for over 10 years.

Nikitas,
I do have a clue I'm from Albania.
I don't now but five or six years ago if you were an illegal emigrant and you were baptized you can walk into a Police station and no one can touch you.
As for your friendly feelings speak for yourself and not in the name all Greeks.I've met lots of friendly Greeks in London and Albania and I must say that I do have have friendly feelings towards them

Now back to topic.
I believe Greece will eventually recognize Kosovo.

For the Greek posters in here!!
There are no threats or pressure being imposed on you
but if there are as I said on my previous comment are you
weaker than Slovakia or Romania,No!

calpirinha

pre 16 godina

well, I would not be so proud that Chavez decided not to recognise Kosovo. There is nothing to be proud of him. Neither of Castro, China, Putin (Medvedev)or their friends all over the world. U beter stick to spain and their fears...

Dan Asta

pre 16 godina

Serbia's recognition of Macedonia by the name Macedonia, especially after all the political capital Greece spent defending Serbia in the 1990s, is the only reason why Greece might recognize Kosovo. Greece was really frosted when Serbia did that. There's been much talk that in exchange for support for Greece's position on the Macedonia name issue that Greece would recognize Kosovo.

Don't be surprised when this happens. Greece is looking for political capital to maintain its own security, a position that Serbia made more difficult when it recognized Macedonia by that name. No other country in the region officially recognizes Macedonia by that name, not Bulgaria, Romania, Albania, Croatia, Slovenia, Hungary, etc.