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Monday, 24.03.2008.

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“Negotiations possible, not about status”

Carl Bildt says negotiations are possible between Belgrade and Priština, "but not regarding Kosovo’s status".

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Jonathon - Uk

pre 16 godina

Bildt is another "fisherman" - he is fishing for a job with the US or with the EU.
He must be on his way OUT in Sweden?
What do you call people who have no principles and will sell their sould for one euro??
There is a word for it?
It just escapes at the moment/

DimTuc

pre 16 godina

Peter:

”Presume the 'recent comments' you are talking about are the ones he made criticising UNMIK's recent foray into the Serb part of Kosovska Mitrovica. Cynic inside me is saying that he thinks that anything that makes UNMIK look bad makes EULEX proposition look good.”

No not mainly that comment, though even on that I’d give him more credit for having a brain and criticising that mad adventure than you do.

More concretely, in other recent comments, most of which I got from B92, Bildt “ruled out Kosovo's partition along ethnic lines in Kosovo's north. However, he said the division was a fact and would require a large degree of self-government for the Serbs.” He said his meetings with the local Serbs "testified that the partition was present in their lives. "These are two societies, two communities," he said in reference to Serbs and ethnic Albanians. "We have tried for many years of the UN presence to overcome this, but with no significant success."

He also said that UNMIK will have to stay in Kosovo for the indefinite future to act as a buffer between nations that recognize Kosovo's statehood and those that do not.

Then add these new comments, that “at one point Belgrade and Priština will have to return to the negotiation table, but it will not change the status of Kosovo. We must speak openly about “the situation in the Serb enclaves, which is worrying, but little is said about it. It should be reiterated that they are also Serbian citizens, since they have the right to dual citizenship.”

… then I think it s clear where he is coming from. You don’t have to love him, but then I can’t feel a huge amount of love for many of the major players on any side here. So far, he seems to make some sense.

Mike:

”This is exactly what I've been thinking about DimTuc. It basically Daytonizes Kosovo. Is it messy? Of course/ But does it significantly reduce hostilities? Absolutely. One state, two systems: Pristina for Albanians, Mitrovica and enclaves for Serbs.”

Yes I know you have Mike. We may come from different angles, but I often (not always!) find myself in agreement with you. Wherever we are coming from, there has to be a solution for people living twisted all around each other to have some peace. Nothing’s perfect, but its the best.

Yes it ‘Daytonises’ Kosovo/a, though since I have a much lower opinion of Dayton than you, my reference is more the Annan Plan for Cyprus (google it – also not perfect but hey). I mean I guess Dayton was inevitable after the war, but before the war there was a genuine multi-ethnicity in large parts of Bosnia – one quarter intermarriage for example. Where do those people fit? I also reckon it was extremely generous to give the Serb 30% of the population 49% of the territory, even letting them keep Srebrenica for christ’s sake. But that’s all another story.

Think about Cyprus however: like Kosovo/a, 2 communities that have never had any intermarriage, where they have always lived as two separate communities, though not always in violent conflict, where one is 80% of the population the other a much smaller but still significant group, where both communities have mother countries outside, where both have very legitimate grievances with the other and crimes have been committed all around, where the flag for the united federal state is a map of that country but where neither community is particularly loyal to that flag, where world powers imposed all kinds of “supervision” and “guarantor” status to outside powers, etc etc.

Albanians might say what’s in it for us to have a more disunited state. I’d answer (1) if the only alternative in practice is open partition, this is better, and (2) if Serbs run their own entity there will be much less need for too much foreign “supervision” over your heads, which you’ve probably had enough of by now after 9 yeas of it. For Serbs, it is way way better for all the Serbs south of the Ibar than full partition with the international border at the Ibar. And both could fly their own flags in their own entities.

You may ask why the obvious hasn’t been brought up before, and there is still little open support for it. I believe the answer is simple: no-one really believed any solution would be accepted by both sides, whatever was proposed, one side or the other would be aggrieved, or find reason to be, so do not deal you last card early. This is more than a Plan B, perhaps even a Plan C, to really make sure everything has been exhausted so it cannot be rejected. Bildt is the torch bearer.

I hope I’m right

Srboslav

pre 16 godina

Interesting opinions coming from one of the wealthiest politicians in Sweden. My guess ís that he is just looking for some of the upcoming EULEX posts in Pristina to participate in after his governent loose the next election in Sweden, they are now under record low numbers since the elections in Sweden and will not win the next time. Then he will be out of job, thats why he is looking to make a name for himself as self appointed expert on balkan issues, he did a period in Bosnia, now hes going for Kosovo after his mandate in Sweden expires.
Unfortunately its all business for this man, he would sell out the albanians in a heartbeat if he would earn something on it.

Penjack, USA

pre 16 godina

“because it is already recognized by a majority of EU countries and that is what counts and what is decisive"
Well there you have it! The Fourth Reich (EU) has spoken! Just put a yellow cross on your shirt and report to the nearest Einsatzgruppen detention center.

Bildt's statement makes it absolutely clear that the EU does not recognize international law.

lowe

pre 16 godina

"Sweden's foreign minister said that at one point Belgrade and Priština will have to return to the negotiation table, but it will not change the status of Kosovo “because it is already recognized by a majority of EU countries and that is what counts and what is decisive, because Kosovo is a European question, it is in our inner yard, not in Africa.”

What a joke! European Nato troops are interfering in Afghanistan and Iraq are they not? ..... I didn't know these 2 countries are in Europe too .... so typical of the EU to twist and turn facts to suit their needs .... but one thing they can't avoid is this -- no matter how many in Europe recognize Kosovo's UDI, Serbia's sovereignty is still intact insofar as 1244 is concerned.

Gojko

pre 16 godina

"Belgrade and Priština will have to return to the negotiation table, but it will not change the status of Kosovo"

Basically covering their rears. They dont want to say openingly that they made a mistake, by recognizing Kosovo. All of a sudden 1244 is in force and legitimate? Those talks WILL be about Kosovo's "status".

They expected every country to recognize but only about 45 to 50 will if that. Big mistake EU.

Mike

pre 16 godina

"But then if further negotiations are necessary, and the issue is the status of the Kosovar Serbs, then what he is clearly proposing is the Annan Plan for Cyprus on to Kosova, allowing two federated governments, Serb and Albanian, in independent Kosova. Nothing's perfect, but try beating it."

This is exactly what I've been thinking about DimTuc. It basically Daytonizes Kosovo. Is is messy? Of course/ But does it significantrly reduce hostilities? Absolutely.

One state, two systems: Pristina for Albanians, Mitrovica and enclaves for Serbs. EU supervision over both. Neither side will be happy with it, but it sure beats what we have now.

peter, sydney

pre 16 godina

DimTuc:

Am tempted to agree with some of what you've said about Bildt. But head tells me differently.

Presume the 'recent comments' you are talking about are the ones he made criticising UNMIK's recent foray into the serb part of Kosovska Mitovica.

Cynic inside me is saying that he thinks that anything that makes UNMIK look bad makes EULEX proposition look good.

But hey, whatever works.

ps: Believe I owe you an apology or six for calling you a hypocrite a while back. Consider it given. Six times.

Maximilian

pre 16 godina

Hi!

First i want to ask a question to B92 whay don't you publish my comments?..i have never offend some one and my opinion have't been rasistik.
Then i just like to say that Carl Bildt is one of the must experienced politican in EU, he knows what he is talking about ..unlike the Serbian politics...

Love you Calle Bildt

God bless Kosovas people.

Dragan

pre 16 godina

Listen Bildt, you come across as some sort of dictator telling Serbs 'how it's going to be' in their own country.
We don't care what you say, so just keep flapping your gums if it makes you feel better. UN resolution 1244 remains in force, and defines Kosovo as an integral part of Serbia, so you you have already contradicted yourself. We don't care if the majority of the European puppets have recognized this fake, illegal, and immoral state. Any redrawing of borders MUST go through the UN, surely you must know that from your education.
I suggest you tell your fellow Swedes what to do, because us Serbs are not listening to you or your posse of minions.

Lenard

pre 16 godina

“Negotiations possible, but not about status” Sure you can talk of Serbia paying the international debt of Kosovo and also the pensions their or anything else that will leave Serbia at a disadvantage. The neutral EULEX will be in charge the same countries that bombed Serbia how very providently convenient on their part. What other arrogant hypocrasies can they come up with do they stay up all night coming up with new ones. Or just when a arrogant thought comes it just shoots from their mouths and they think that is a very good one the Serbs will be really impressed with us they will be very eager to join us. Put them selfs and their country eagerly under their hypocritical control what a deal of the century.

DJKrstic

pre 16 godina

Contrary to the logic politicians are not very smart people. Some are actually so dumb it's frightening (Hallbrook comes to mind) and some have IQ that is so low that the only job they can hold is presidency of US of A. Smart people cure diseases, design and build bridges (not destroy them), write, start businesses...not devote their lives to politics. You got to be shameless, spineless, dishonest, malicious and unscrupulous to succeed in politics, so it's not a big surprise that politicians on each side of the ocean are literally falling over each other trying to get to the microphone first and throw yet another smoke bomb in hope to cloud and hide problems caused by their incompetence and the reason thing they say sound so stupid is because the are.

DimTuc

pre 16 godina

Actually Bildt sounds a lot better to me than either Bush or Nikolic/Kostunica, and I'm sorry that most Serbs on this list immediately attacked him. Read the sub-text a little more clearly, not just the bits you don't like, especially if you've been following Bildt's last few comments as well. Yes, he thinks the actual status has been decided. You disagree, but realistically I don't see how you can change it. But then if further negotiations are necessary, and the issue is the status of the Kosovar Serbs, then what he is clearly proposing is the Annan Plan for Cyprus on to Kosova, allowing two federated governments, Serb and Albanian, in independent Kosova. Nothing's perfect, but try beating it.

Felix, Romania

pre 16 godina

What should they negotiate then an exchange of post cards perhaps? I don't think Belgrade needs to negotiate with the smugglers.

You want to make it sound like it's a done job but it's not. And any EULEX mission is illegal by all counts, as we all realize.

By the way, your inner yard may be Sweden, nothing to do with Serbia.

Leonidas

pre 16 godina

For Biltd and his pals there was an urgency with the Albanians whereas the same urgency is not applied to the situation of the Serb enclaves.The danger here is the status quo will probably have detrimental effects on the Serbs as they may look to move to Serbia inner and leavinf all the fiend to the Albanians. The Serbian goverment must press the UN and EU for a quick solution.

Mike

pre 16 godina

So Bildt then may sound ammenable to the Bosnia model of one state, two systems? It seems to fit with Samaradzic's plan of "functional separation"

Ana

pre 16 godina

As you said Mr. Bilt a couple weeks when you visited Kosovo: It is a deeply divided society and somethings will have to change...

So, as we all know, the status is easy to change...although I don't think the status in Kosovo will change, i do think the status for some parts is probably going to change...

bmrusila

pre 16 godina

Said Bildt and feeling no shame for his claims. Bildt’s claims that Kosovo status is important only to the EU directly supports the claims of Mr Vojislav Kostunica that Kosovo is created for NATO’s and the EU’s internal purposes and their agenda. Further more, this European man claims that the there are legal grounds for sending EULEX mission based on resolution 1244 but fails to say which part of the resolution supports this legal ground. Yet, they still use the resolution 1244 which explicitly states that Kosovo is Serbian province and as such inseparable part of Serbia and yet they brutally violated that resolution allowing Albanians to proclaim UDI.

Mr Bildt, status of the Serbs must be solved now, immediately without delay and there must be deadline. If there was a deadline concerning Kosovo status, there is certainly a deadline for the status of Kosovo Serbs whose status as you said is worrying. It is not only worrying, but extremely worrying. They live behind barbed wires, they go for a “walk” by armoured vehicles and escorted by soldiers. They are mistreated on the daily basis. Mr Bildt, you should understand that Serbs can no longer live under Albanian rule, since they hardly survived Albanian rule during 70’s and 80’s (unfortunately many didn’t). Serbia cannot allow any longer disappearance of the Serbs who happen to end up in Albania for organ harvesting. Status of the Serbs must be solved and defined now.

Pyrros

pre 16 godina

Jesus!!!
Everyone is entitled to have their say on Kosovo.

Me whats your name, of course the negotiations will be on status.

And Serbia is NOT in your yard by any means. If it was Serbia would be in EU already.

Your comments are as ridiculous.

Maybe its time for Russia/China starting buy out all those puppet states like Sweden? Sweden are at Russia's inner yard, looking in the map.

peter, sydney

pre 16 godina

"Sweden's foreign minister said that at one moment Belgrade and Priština will have to return to the negotiation table, but it will not change the status of Kosovo “because it is already recognized by a majority of EU countries and that is what counts and what is decisive, because Kosovo is a European question, it is in our inner yard, not in Africa.” "

Sorry to dissapoint you Carl, but the EU is not the UN. The UN is the only body that can ultimately resolve the status of Kosovo.

"The European Union believes that it already has legal legitimacy for sending a mission to Kosovo, because if we did not think so, we would have not passed the decision to send it. "

So what you're saying is that EULEX is legal because you say so.

Just gets funnier & funnier.

No longer need a letter of authorisation from the UN general secretary huh? Will be interesting to see what the UN has to say about this.

knag

pre 16 godina

"“because it is already recognized by a majority of EU countries and that is what counts"

So there you have it, "what counts" is a stalled minority of some 30+ countries recognizing the american land grab in southern Serbia, not the overwhelming majority of 190+ UN members and it´s resolutions.

Since the illegality of the whole question is so obvious, we can expect more statements like this from €Urocrat thugs trying to convince themselves of their right to what they want just because they can.

Pyrros

pre 16 godina

Jesus!!!
Everyone is entitled to have their say on Kosovo.

Me whats your name, of course the negotiations will be on status.

And Serbia is NOT in your yard by any means. If it was Serbia would be in EU already.

Your comments are as ridiculous.

Maybe its time for Russia/China starting buy out all those puppet states like Sweden? Sweden are at Russia's inner yard, looking in the map.

peter, sydney

pre 16 godina

"Sweden's foreign minister said that at one moment Belgrade and Priština will have to return to the negotiation table, but it will not change the status of Kosovo “because it is already recognized by a majority of EU countries and that is what counts and what is decisive, because Kosovo is a European question, it is in our inner yard, not in Africa.” "

Sorry to dissapoint you Carl, but the EU is not the UN. The UN is the only body that can ultimately resolve the status of Kosovo.

"The European Union believes that it already has legal legitimacy for sending a mission to Kosovo, because if we did not think so, we would have not passed the decision to send it. "

So what you're saying is that EULEX is legal because you say so.

Just gets funnier & funnier.

No longer need a letter of authorisation from the UN general secretary huh? Will be interesting to see what the UN has to say about this.

bmrusila

pre 16 godina

Said Bildt and feeling no shame for his claims. Bildt’s claims that Kosovo status is important only to the EU directly supports the claims of Mr Vojislav Kostunica that Kosovo is created for NATO’s and the EU’s internal purposes and their agenda. Further more, this European man claims that the there are legal grounds for sending EULEX mission based on resolution 1244 but fails to say which part of the resolution supports this legal ground. Yet, they still use the resolution 1244 which explicitly states that Kosovo is Serbian province and as such inseparable part of Serbia and yet they brutally violated that resolution allowing Albanians to proclaim UDI.

Mr Bildt, status of the Serbs must be solved now, immediately without delay and there must be deadline. If there was a deadline concerning Kosovo status, there is certainly a deadline for the status of Kosovo Serbs whose status as you said is worrying. It is not only worrying, but extremely worrying. They live behind barbed wires, they go for a “walk” by armoured vehicles and escorted by soldiers. They are mistreated on the daily basis. Mr Bildt, you should understand that Serbs can no longer live under Albanian rule, since they hardly survived Albanian rule during 70’s and 80’s (unfortunately many didn’t). Serbia cannot allow any longer disappearance of the Serbs who happen to end up in Albania for organ harvesting. Status of the Serbs must be solved and defined now.

knag

pre 16 godina

"“because it is already recognized by a majority of EU countries and that is what counts"

So there you have it, "what counts" is a stalled minority of some 30+ countries recognizing the american land grab in southern Serbia, not the overwhelming majority of 190+ UN members and it´s resolutions.

Since the illegality of the whole question is so obvious, we can expect more statements like this from €Urocrat thugs trying to convince themselves of their right to what they want just because they can.

Felix, Romania

pre 16 godina

What should they negotiate then an exchange of post cards perhaps? I don't think Belgrade needs to negotiate with the smugglers.

You want to make it sound like it's a done job but it's not. And any EULEX mission is illegal by all counts, as we all realize.

By the way, your inner yard may be Sweden, nothing to do with Serbia.

Mike

pre 16 godina

So Bildt then may sound ammenable to the Bosnia model of one state, two systems? It seems to fit with Samaradzic's plan of "functional separation"

Ana

pre 16 godina

As you said Mr. Bilt a couple weeks when you visited Kosovo: It is a deeply divided society and somethings will have to change...

So, as we all know, the status is easy to change...although I don't think the status in Kosovo will change, i do think the status for some parts is probably going to change...

DJKrstic

pre 16 godina

Contrary to the logic politicians are not very smart people. Some are actually so dumb it's frightening (Hallbrook comes to mind) and some have IQ that is so low that the only job they can hold is presidency of US of A. Smart people cure diseases, design and build bridges (not destroy them), write, start businesses...not devote their lives to politics. You got to be shameless, spineless, dishonest, malicious and unscrupulous to succeed in politics, so it's not a big surprise that politicians on each side of the ocean are literally falling over each other trying to get to the microphone first and throw yet another smoke bomb in hope to cloud and hide problems caused by their incompetence and the reason thing they say sound so stupid is because the are.

Leonidas

pre 16 godina

For Biltd and his pals there was an urgency with the Albanians whereas the same urgency is not applied to the situation of the Serb enclaves.The danger here is the status quo will probably have detrimental effects on the Serbs as they may look to move to Serbia inner and leavinf all the fiend to the Albanians. The Serbian goverment must press the UN and EU for a quick solution.

Dragan

pre 16 godina

Listen Bildt, you come across as some sort of dictator telling Serbs 'how it's going to be' in their own country.
We don't care what you say, so just keep flapping your gums if it makes you feel better. UN resolution 1244 remains in force, and defines Kosovo as an integral part of Serbia, so you you have already contradicted yourself. We don't care if the majority of the European puppets have recognized this fake, illegal, and immoral state. Any redrawing of borders MUST go through the UN, surely you must know that from your education.
I suggest you tell your fellow Swedes what to do, because us Serbs are not listening to you or your posse of minions.

Lenard

pre 16 godina

“Negotiations possible, but not about status” Sure you can talk of Serbia paying the international debt of Kosovo and also the pensions their or anything else that will leave Serbia at a disadvantage. The neutral EULEX will be in charge the same countries that bombed Serbia how very providently convenient on their part. What other arrogant hypocrasies can they come up with do they stay up all night coming up with new ones. Or just when a arrogant thought comes it just shoots from their mouths and they think that is a very good one the Serbs will be really impressed with us they will be very eager to join us. Put them selfs and their country eagerly under their hypocritical control what a deal of the century.

Gojko

pre 16 godina

"Belgrade and Priština will have to return to the negotiation table, but it will not change the status of Kosovo"

Basically covering their rears. They dont want to say openingly that they made a mistake, by recognizing Kosovo. All of a sudden 1244 is in force and legitimate? Those talks WILL be about Kosovo's "status".

They expected every country to recognize but only about 45 to 50 will if that. Big mistake EU.

peter, sydney

pre 16 godina

DimTuc:

Am tempted to agree with some of what you've said about Bildt. But head tells me differently.

Presume the 'recent comments' you are talking about are the ones he made criticising UNMIK's recent foray into the serb part of Kosovska Mitovica.

Cynic inside me is saying that he thinks that anything that makes UNMIK look bad makes EULEX proposition look good.

But hey, whatever works.

ps: Believe I owe you an apology or six for calling you a hypocrite a while back. Consider it given. Six times.

Mike

pre 16 godina

"But then if further negotiations are necessary, and the issue is the status of the Kosovar Serbs, then what he is clearly proposing is the Annan Plan for Cyprus on to Kosova, allowing two federated governments, Serb and Albanian, in independent Kosova. Nothing's perfect, but try beating it."

This is exactly what I've been thinking about DimTuc. It basically Daytonizes Kosovo. Is is messy? Of course/ But does it significantrly reduce hostilities? Absolutely.

One state, two systems: Pristina for Albanians, Mitrovica and enclaves for Serbs. EU supervision over both. Neither side will be happy with it, but it sure beats what we have now.

DimTuc

pre 16 godina

Actually Bildt sounds a lot better to me than either Bush or Nikolic/Kostunica, and I'm sorry that most Serbs on this list immediately attacked him. Read the sub-text a little more clearly, not just the bits you don't like, especially if you've been following Bildt's last few comments as well. Yes, he thinks the actual status has been decided. You disagree, but realistically I don't see how you can change it. But then if further negotiations are necessary, and the issue is the status of the Kosovar Serbs, then what he is clearly proposing is the Annan Plan for Cyprus on to Kosova, allowing two federated governments, Serb and Albanian, in independent Kosova. Nothing's perfect, but try beating it.

Maximilian

pre 16 godina

Hi!

First i want to ask a question to B92 whay don't you publish my comments?..i have never offend some one and my opinion have't been rasistik.
Then i just like to say that Carl Bildt is one of the must experienced politican in EU, he knows what he is talking about ..unlike the Serbian politics...

Love you Calle Bildt

God bless Kosovas people.

Srboslav

pre 16 godina

Interesting opinions coming from one of the wealthiest politicians in Sweden. My guess ís that he is just looking for some of the upcoming EULEX posts in Pristina to participate in after his governent loose the next election in Sweden, they are now under record low numbers since the elections in Sweden and will not win the next time. Then he will be out of job, thats why he is looking to make a name for himself as self appointed expert on balkan issues, he did a period in Bosnia, now hes going for Kosovo after his mandate in Sweden expires.
Unfortunately its all business for this man, he would sell out the albanians in a heartbeat if he would earn something on it.

lowe

pre 16 godina

"Sweden's foreign minister said that at one point Belgrade and Priština will have to return to the negotiation table, but it will not change the status of Kosovo “because it is already recognized by a majority of EU countries and that is what counts and what is decisive, because Kosovo is a European question, it is in our inner yard, not in Africa.”

What a joke! European Nato troops are interfering in Afghanistan and Iraq are they not? ..... I didn't know these 2 countries are in Europe too .... so typical of the EU to twist and turn facts to suit their needs .... but one thing they can't avoid is this -- no matter how many in Europe recognize Kosovo's UDI, Serbia's sovereignty is still intact insofar as 1244 is concerned.

Penjack, USA

pre 16 godina

“because it is already recognized by a majority of EU countries and that is what counts and what is decisive"
Well there you have it! The Fourth Reich (EU) has spoken! Just put a yellow cross on your shirt and report to the nearest Einsatzgruppen detention center.

Bildt's statement makes it absolutely clear that the EU does not recognize international law.

DimTuc

pre 16 godina

Peter:

”Presume the 'recent comments' you are talking about are the ones he made criticising UNMIK's recent foray into the Serb part of Kosovska Mitrovica. Cynic inside me is saying that he thinks that anything that makes UNMIK look bad makes EULEX proposition look good.”

No not mainly that comment, though even on that I’d give him more credit for having a brain and criticising that mad adventure than you do.

More concretely, in other recent comments, most of which I got from B92, Bildt “ruled out Kosovo's partition along ethnic lines in Kosovo's north. However, he said the division was a fact and would require a large degree of self-government for the Serbs.” He said his meetings with the local Serbs "testified that the partition was present in their lives. "These are two societies, two communities," he said in reference to Serbs and ethnic Albanians. "We have tried for many years of the UN presence to overcome this, but with no significant success."

He also said that UNMIK will have to stay in Kosovo for the indefinite future to act as a buffer between nations that recognize Kosovo's statehood and those that do not.

Then add these new comments, that “at one point Belgrade and Priština will have to return to the negotiation table, but it will not change the status of Kosovo. We must speak openly about “the situation in the Serb enclaves, which is worrying, but little is said about it. It should be reiterated that they are also Serbian citizens, since they have the right to dual citizenship.”

… then I think it s clear where he is coming from. You don’t have to love him, but then I can’t feel a huge amount of love for many of the major players on any side here. So far, he seems to make some sense.

Mike:

”This is exactly what I've been thinking about DimTuc. It basically Daytonizes Kosovo. Is it messy? Of course/ But does it significantly reduce hostilities? Absolutely. One state, two systems: Pristina for Albanians, Mitrovica and enclaves for Serbs.”

Yes I know you have Mike. We may come from different angles, but I often (not always!) find myself in agreement with you. Wherever we are coming from, there has to be a solution for people living twisted all around each other to have some peace. Nothing’s perfect, but its the best.

Yes it ‘Daytonises’ Kosovo/a, though since I have a much lower opinion of Dayton than you, my reference is more the Annan Plan for Cyprus (google it – also not perfect but hey). I mean I guess Dayton was inevitable after the war, but before the war there was a genuine multi-ethnicity in large parts of Bosnia – one quarter intermarriage for example. Where do those people fit? I also reckon it was extremely generous to give the Serb 30% of the population 49% of the territory, even letting them keep Srebrenica for christ’s sake. But that’s all another story.

Think about Cyprus however: like Kosovo/a, 2 communities that have never had any intermarriage, where they have always lived as two separate communities, though not always in violent conflict, where one is 80% of the population the other a much smaller but still significant group, where both communities have mother countries outside, where both have very legitimate grievances with the other and crimes have been committed all around, where the flag for the united federal state is a map of that country but where neither community is particularly loyal to that flag, where world powers imposed all kinds of “supervision” and “guarantor” status to outside powers, etc etc.

Albanians might say what’s in it for us to have a more disunited state. I’d answer (1) if the only alternative in practice is open partition, this is better, and (2) if Serbs run their own entity there will be much less need for too much foreign “supervision” over your heads, which you’ve probably had enough of by now after 9 yeas of it. For Serbs, it is way way better for all the Serbs south of the Ibar than full partition with the international border at the Ibar. And both could fly their own flags in their own entities.

You may ask why the obvious hasn’t been brought up before, and there is still little open support for it. I believe the answer is simple: no-one really believed any solution would be accepted by both sides, whatever was proposed, one side or the other would be aggrieved, or find reason to be, so do not deal you last card early. This is more than a Plan B, perhaps even a Plan C, to really make sure everything has been exhausted so it cannot be rejected. Bildt is the torch bearer.

I hope I’m right

Jonathon - Uk

pre 16 godina

Bildt is another "fisherman" - he is fishing for a job with the US or with the EU.
He must be on his way OUT in Sweden?
What do you call people who have no principles and will sell their sould for one euro??
There is a word for it?
It just escapes at the moment/

Maximilian

pre 16 godina

Hi!

First i want to ask a question to B92 whay don't you publish my comments?..i have never offend some one and my opinion have't been rasistik.
Then i just like to say that Carl Bildt is one of the must experienced politican in EU, he knows what he is talking about ..unlike the Serbian politics...

Love you Calle Bildt

God bless Kosovas people.

DimTuc

pre 16 godina

Actually Bildt sounds a lot better to me than either Bush or Nikolic/Kostunica, and I'm sorry that most Serbs on this list immediately attacked him. Read the sub-text a little more clearly, not just the bits you don't like, especially if you've been following Bildt's last few comments as well. Yes, he thinks the actual status has been decided. You disagree, but realistically I don't see how you can change it. But then if further negotiations are necessary, and the issue is the status of the Kosovar Serbs, then what he is clearly proposing is the Annan Plan for Cyprus on to Kosova, allowing two federated governments, Serb and Albanian, in independent Kosova. Nothing's perfect, but try beating it.

Pyrros

pre 16 godina

Jesus!!!
Everyone is entitled to have their say on Kosovo.

Me whats your name, of course the negotiations will be on status.

And Serbia is NOT in your yard by any means. If it was Serbia would be in EU already.

Your comments are as ridiculous.

Maybe its time for Russia/China starting buy out all those puppet states like Sweden? Sweden are at Russia's inner yard, looking in the map.

peter, sydney

pre 16 godina

"Sweden's foreign minister said that at one moment Belgrade and Priština will have to return to the negotiation table, but it will not change the status of Kosovo “because it is already recognized by a majority of EU countries and that is what counts and what is decisive, because Kosovo is a European question, it is in our inner yard, not in Africa.” "

Sorry to dissapoint you Carl, but the EU is not the UN. The UN is the only body that can ultimately resolve the status of Kosovo.

"The European Union believes that it already has legal legitimacy for sending a mission to Kosovo, because if we did not think so, we would have not passed the decision to send it. "

So what you're saying is that EULEX is legal because you say so.

Just gets funnier & funnier.

No longer need a letter of authorisation from the UN general secretary huh? Will be interesting to see what the UN has to say about this.

bmrusila

pre 16 godina

Said Bildt and feeling no shame for his claims. Bildt’s claims that Kosovo status is important only to the EU directly supports the claims of Mr Vojislav Kostunica that Kosovo is created for NATO’s and the EU’s internal purposes and their agenda. Further more, this European man claims that the there are legal grounds for sending EULEX mission based on resolution 1244 but fails to say which part of the resolution supports this legal ground. Yet, they still use the resolution 1244 which explicitly states that Kosovo is Serbian province and as such inseparable part of Serbia and yet they brutally violated that resolution allowing Albanians to proclaim UDI.

Mr Bildt, status of the Serbs must be solved now, immediately without delay and there must be deadline. If there was a deadline concerning Kosovo status, there is certainly a deadline for the status of Kosovo Serbs whose status as you said is worrying. It is not only worrying, but extremely worrying. They live behind barbed wires, they go for a “walk” by armoured vehicles and escorted by soldiers. They are mistreated on the daily basis. Mr Bildt, you should understand that Serbs can no longer live under Albanian rule, since they hardly survived Albanian rule during 70’s and 80’s (unfortunately many didn’t). Serbia cannot allow any longer disappearance of the Serbs who happen to end up in Albania for organ harvesting. Status of the Serbs must be solved and defined now.

Ana

pre 16 godina

As you said Mr. Bilt a couple weeks when you visited Kosovo: It is a deeply divided society and somethings will have to change...

So, as we all know, the status is easy to change...although I don't think the status in Kosovo will change, i do think the status for some parts is probably going to change...

Leonidas

pre 16 godina

For Biltd and his pals there was an urgency with the Albanians whereas the same urgency is not applied to the situation of the Serb enclaves.The danger here is the status quo will probably have detrimental effects on the Serbs as they may look to move to Serbia inner and leavinf all the fiend to the Albanians. The Serbian goverment must press the UN and EU for a quick solution.

knag

pre 16 godina

"“because it is already recognized by a majority of EU countries and that is what counts"

So there you have it, "what counts" is a stalled minority of some 30+ countries recognizing the american land grab in southern Serbia, not the overwhelming majority of 190+ UN members and it´s resolutions.

Since the illegality of the whole question is so obvious, we can expect more statements like this from €Urocrat thugs trying to convince themselves of their right to what they want just because they can.

Mike

pre 16 godina

So Bildt then may sound ammenable to the Bosnia model of one state, two systems? It seems to fit with Samaradzic's plan of "functional separation"

Felix, Romania

pre 16 godina

What should they negotiate then an exchange of post cards perhaps? I don't think Belgrade needs to negotiate with the smugglers.

You want to make it sound like it's a done job but it's not. And any EULEX mission is illegal by all counts, as we all realize.

By the way, your inner yard may be Sweden, nothing to do with Serbia.

Lenard

pre 16 godina

“Negotiations possible, but not about status” Sure you can talk of Serbia paying the international debt of Kosovo and also the pensions their or anything else that will leave Serbia at a disadvantage. The neutral EULEX will be in charge the same countries that bombed Serbia how very providently convenient on their part. What other arrogant hypocrasies can they come up with do they stay up all night coming up with new ones. Or just when a arrogant thought comes it just shoots from their mouths and they think that is a very good one the Serbs will be really impressed with us they will be very eager to join us. Put them selfs and their country eagerly under their hypocritical control what a deal of the century.

DJKrstic

pre 16 godina

Contrary to the logic politicians are not very smart people. Some are actually so dumb it's frightening (Hallbrook comes to mind) and some have IQ that is so low that the only job they can hold is presidency of US of A. Smart people cure diseases, design and build bridges (not destroy them), write, start businesses...not devote their lives to politics. You got to be shameless, spineless, dishonest, malicious and unscrupulous to succeed in politics, so it's not a big surprise that politicians on each side of the ocean are literally falling over each other trying to get to the microphone first and throw yet another smoke bomb in hope to cloud and hide problems caused by their incompetence and the reason thing they say sound so stupid is because the are.

peter, sydney

pre 16 godina

DimTuc:

Am tempted to agree with some of what you've said about Bildt. But head tells me differently.

Presume the 'recent comments' you are talking about are the ones he made criticising UNMIK's recent foray into the serb part of Kosovska Mitovica.

Cynic inside me is saying that he thinks that anything that makes UNMIK look bad makes EULEX proposition look good.

But hey, whatever works.

ps: Believe I owe you an apology or six for calling you a hypocrite a while back. Consider it given. Six times.

Dragan

pre 16 godina

Listen Bildt, you come across as some sort of dictator telling Serbs 'how it's going to be' in their own country.
We don't care what you say, so just keep flapping your gums if it makes you feel better. UN resolution 1244 remains in force, and defines Kosovo as an integral part of Serbia, so you you have already contradicted yourself. We don't care if the majority of the European puppets have recognized this fake, illegal, and immoral state. Any redrawing of borders MUST go through the UN, surely you must know that from your education.
I suggest you tell your fellow Swedes what to do, because us Serbs are not listening to you or your posse of minions.

Mike

pre 16 godina

"But then if further negotiations are necessary, and the issue is the status of the Kosovar Serbs, then what he is clearly proposing is the Annan Plan for Cyprus on to Kosova, allowing two federated governments, Serb and Albanian, in independent Kosova. Nothing's perfect, but try beating it."

This is exactly what I've been thinking about DimTuc. It basically Daytonizes Kosovo. Is is messy? Of course/ But does it significantrly reduce hostilities? Absolutely.

One state, two systems: Pristina for Albanians, Mitrovica and enclaves for Serbs. EU supervision over both. Neither side will be happy with it, but it sure beats what we have now.

Gojko

pre 16 godina

"Belgrade and Priština will have to return to the negotiation table, but it will not change the status of Kosovo"

Basically covering their rears. They dont want to say openingly that they made a mistake, by recognizing Kosovo. All of a sudden 1244 is in force and legitimate? Those talks WILL be about Kosovo's "status".

They expected every country to recognize but only about 45 to 50 will if that. Big mistake EU.

lowe

pre 16 godina

"Sweden's foreign minister said that at one point Belgrade and Priština will have to return to the negotiation table, but it will not change the status of Kosovo “because it is already recognized by a majority of EU countries and that is what counts and what is decisive, because Kosovo is a European question, it is in our inner yard, not in Africa.”

What a joke! European Nato troops are interfering in Afghanistan and Iraq are they not? ..... I didn't know these 2 countries are in Europe too .... so typical of the EU to twist and turn facts to suit their needs .... but one thing they can't avoid is this -- no matter how many in Europe recognize Kosovo's UDI, Serbia's sovereignty is still intact insofar as 1244 is concerned.

Penjack, USA

pre 16 godina

“because it is already recognized by a majority of EU countries and that is what counts and what is decisive"
Well there you have it! The Fourth Reich (EU) has spoken! Just put a yellow cross on your shirt and report to the nearest Einsatzgruppen detention center.

Bildt's statement makes it absolutely clear that the EU does not recognize international law.

Srboslav

pre 16 godina

Interesting opinions coming from one of the wealthiest politicians in Sweden. My guess ís that he is just looking for some of the upcoming EULEX posts in Pristina to participate in after his governent loose the next election in Sweden, they are now under record low numbers since the elections in Sweden and will not win the next time. Then he will be out of job, thats why he is looking to make a name for himself as self appointed expert on balkan issues, he did a period in Bosnia, now hes going for Kosovo after his mandate in Sweden expires.
Unfortunately its all business for this man, he would sell out the albanians in a heartbeat if he would earn something on it.

DimTuc

pre 16 godina

Peter:

”Presume the 'recent comments' you are talking about are the ones he made criticising UNMIK's recent foray into the Serb part of Kosovska Mitrovica. Cynic inside me is saying that he thinks that anything that makes UNMIK look bad makes EULEX proposition look good.”

No not mainly that comment, though even on that I’d give him more credit for having a brain and criticising that mad adventure than you do.

More concretely, in other recent comments, most of which I got from B92, Bildt “ruled out Kosovo's partition along ethnic lines in Kosovo's north. However, he said the division was a fact and would require a large degree of self-government for the Serbs.” He said his meetings with the local Serbs "testified that the partition was present in their lives. "These are two societies, two communities," he said in reference to Serbs and ethnic Albanians. "We have tried for many years of the UN presence to overcome this, but with no significant success."

He also said that UNMIK will have to stay in Kosovo for the indefinite future to act as a buffer between nations that recognize Kosovo's statehood and those that do not.

Then add these new comments, that “at one point Belgrade and Priština will have to return to the negotiation table, but it will not change the status of Kosovo. We must speak openly about “the situation in the Serb enclaves, which is worrying, but little is said about it. It should be reiterated that they are also Serbian citizens, since they have the right to dual citizenship.”

… then I think it s clear where he is coming from. You don’t have to love him, but then I can’t feel a huge amount of love for many of the major players on any side here. So far, he seems to make some sense.

Mike:

”This is exactly what I've been thinking about DimTuc. It basically Daytonizes Kosovo. Is it messy? Of course/ But does it significantly reduce hostilities? Absolutely. One state, two systems: Pristina for Albanians, Mitrovica and enclaves for Serbs.”

Yes I know you have Mike. We may come from different angles, but I often (not always!) find myself in agreement with you. Wherever we are coming from, there has to be a solution for people living twisted all around each other to have some peace. Nothing’s perfect, but its the best.

Yes it ‘Daytonises’ Kosovo/a, though since I have a much lower opinion of Dayton than you, my reference is more the Annan Plan for Cyprus (google it – also not perfect but hey). I mean I guess Dayton was inevitable after the war, but before the war there was a genuine multi-ethnicity in large parts of Bosnia – one quarter intermarriage for example. Where do those people fit? I also reckon it was extremely generous to give the Serb 30% of the population 49% of the territory, even letting them keep Srebrenica for christ’s sake. But that’s all another story.

Think about Cyprus however: like Kosovo/a, 2 communities that have never had any intermarriage, where they have always lived as two separate communities, though not always in violent conflict, where one is 80% of the population the other a much smaller but still significant group, where both communities have mother countries outside, where both have very legitimate grievances with the other and crimes have been committed all around, where the flag for the united federal state is a map of that country but where neither community is particularly loyal to that flag, where world powers imposed all kinds of “supervision” and “guarantor” status to outside powers, etc etc.

Albanians might say what’s in it for us to have a more disunited state. I’d answer (1) if the only alternative in practice is open partition, this is better, and (2) if Serbs run their own entity there will be much less need for too much foreign “supervision” over your heads, which you’ve probably had enough of by now after 9 yeas of it. For Serbs, it is way way better for all the Serbs south of the Ibar than full partition with the international border at the Ibar. And both could fly their own flags in their own entities.

You may ask why the obvious hasn’t been brought up before, and there is still little open support for it. I believe the answer is simple: no-one really believed any solution would be accepted by both sides, whatever was proposed, one side or the other would be aggrieved, or find reason to be, so do not deal you last card early. This is more than a Plan B, perhaps even a Plan C, to really make sure everything has been exhausted so it cannot be rejected. Bildt is the torch bearer.

I hope I’m right

Jonathon - Uk

pre 16 godina

Bildt is another "fisherman" - he is fishing for a job with the US or with the EU.
He must be on his way OUT in Sweden?
What do you call people who have no principles and will sell their sould for one euro??
There is a word for it?
It just escapes at the moment/