UNMIK sends Samardžić plan to UN

Mike,

The idea of self-rule for K-Serbs independent of Belgrade is a non-starter, I believe. Especially for those north of the Ibar. Sharing a border with the rest of Serbia would mean constant interactions, official or otherwise. This area must be subsumed into the rest of Serbia failing an agreed solution to the entire territory.

The real problem concerns those Serbs living in the midlands and south. Plus of course, the religious and historical heritage. This is going to prove a very tough nut to crack but human ingenuity knows no bounds.

In the meantime I believe the Serbian government can do no more than continue the diplomatic offensive to limit the internation recognition of independence. If after (say) 2 years this has stalled at some 40-50 countries, the UN must bring everyone back to the table and start at the beginning.

"The real problem concerns those Serbs living in the midlands and south. Plus of course, the religious and historical heritage. This is going to prove a very tough nut to crack but human ingenuity knows no bounds."

That was my idea as well, Tom. I see no reason why Serbs should submit to a government they don't want, and didn't ask for. This was the same rationale for breaking Kosovo Province away from Serbia, and thus the same reasoning needs to be applied throughout.

If Belgrade accepts the separation of Kosovo in exchange for RS status for the Serb enclaves north and south of the Ibar, we could see a dramatic reduction in hostilities.

Happy Easter to you man!

One thing we need to know is if by "functional separation", does that mean Belgrade is now giving up its (completely symbolic) claim to authority over the Albanians? Does that also translate into a tacit recognition of Kosovo as a separate entity, and a commitment to give self rule to K-Serbs independent of Pristina as well as Belgrade?

It would be interesting to see where this goes because this could be a golden opportunity to come to some agreement with Belgrade, though my first inclination is that the US is going to Blackball it at first available opportunity.

Bad Gorilla,

Be sure that Albanians will never control Serb populated areas. North is de facto partitioned and entirely under Belgrade’s umbrella. Now is the question of the Serbian enclaves in the South of Ibar River. Sorry, but criminals involved in organ trafficking cannot have control over Serbs any longer because we don’t want sudden disappearance of Serbs any more. Thachi must find another source of financing himself and his monstrosity. Be sure that if Albanians and UNMIK try to use force against Serbs in order to integrate them forcefully into criminal based society (which Kosovo unfortunately turned into since Albanians took the power), there will be a war. Just accept the reality that Serbs don’t want to live with you and that you cannot have the North.

NATO is more divided than the UN, Mr. Gorilla. NATO cannot solve this anymore than the EU or the UN. Partition is inevitable; this stupid policy of unilateralism will divide the world into many thin slices.

Mike, I think he means that the Serbs function seperate to Pristina, taking orders from Belgrade and the Albanians taking their direction from the KLA.

then albanians will make a counter proposal of presevo valley, macedonia, montenegro and cameria if serbia seeks partition. and a case as well for the hungarians in vojvodina.

I hope that document discusses how to deal with the Albanian plan of "separation" of minorities from the NATO's illegal mafia state. Those "separated" in the past 9 years under the Albanian program must be supported from money in the budget in monoethnic Pristina on a per capita basis. There's approximately 300,000 of them counting Serbs, Roma, Ghorani, and others.

Doni,

Please leave Vojvodina and Hungary where it is. All your concern about Vojvodina-Hungarians is nothing more than merely a poorly hidden hatred towards Serbs. This is a very dangerous platform and as long as Kosovo-Albanians harbor it they won't progress a iota. Remember my words.

This plan will be as “successful” as the dead Z4-Plan for dead Croatia’s Serbia Krajina.

Forget about it — US has full veto power at the UN security council and has its NATO troops all over Kosovo. When UNMIK fails to keep the peace in Kosovo, NATO arrives to solve the question.

No separation for North Kosovo, sorry.

Sorry Doni, as you have probably said in the past, Kosovo is a unique case, so making a claim for Albanians in Presevo and Hungarians in Vojvodina won't work.

In the meantime, how about you accept the fact that Serbs can't be ruled by Albanians anymore. That privilege was lost to you long ago.

Doni:

All of the counter proposals your mention would be rejected out of hand at the UN - no veto required.

And while they would be analogous to the precedent set by the K-albanian Unilateral Declaration of Independence (UDI), they are not in any way similar to the defacto partition that Samardzic proposes.

And try to understand this next bit - will then perhaps make fewer erroneous posts.

In any of your counter proposals, legal term for those attempting to break-away from the state they live in is.. secessionists.

They are deemed so because prior to act of secession, they are citizens of the state in which they live, AND have accepted such previously - whether by birth, or by naturalisation.

Prior to K-albanian UDI, serbs in Kosovo were citizens of Serbia. Serbs in Kosovo have NEVER accepted UDI. And serbs in Kosovo have NEVER agreed to be citizens of new 'pseudo-state'.

And so serbs in Kosovo are in no sense, secessionists. THAT is the difference.

Serbia is out to destabilize Kosova and the whole region, not "here or there". Isn't this a breach of "international law" or "resolution 1244", etc.

This plan will be as “successful” as the dead Z4-Plan for dead Croatia’s Serbia Krajina.

Forget about it — US has full veto power at the UN security council and has its NATO troops all over Kosovo. When UNMIK fails to keep the peace in Kosovo, NATO arrives to solve the question.

No separation for North Kosovo, sorry.

then albanians will make a counter proposal of presevo valley, macedonia, montenegro and cameria if serbia seeks partition. and a case as well for the hungarians in vojvodina.

NATO is more divided than the UN, Mr. Gorilla. NATO cannot solve this anymore than the EU or the UN. Partition is inevitable; this stupid policy of unilateralism will divide the world into many thin slices.

One thing we need to know is if by "functional separation", does that mean Belgrade is now giving up its (completely symbolic) claim to authority over the Albanians? Does that also translate into a tacit recognition of Kosovo as a separate entity, and a commitment to give self rule to K-Serbs independent of Pristina as well as Belgrade?

It would be interesting to see where this goes because this could be a golden opportunity to come to some agreement with Belgrade, though my first inclination is that the US is going to Blackball it at first available opportunity.

Mike, I think he means that the Serbs function seperate to Pristina, taking orders from Belgrade and the Albanians taking their direction from the KLA.

Mike,

The idea of self-rule for K-Serbs independent of Belgrade is a non-starter, I believe. Especially for those north of the Ibar. Sharing a border with the rest of Serbia would mean constant interactions, official or otherwise. This area must be subsumed into the rest of Serbia failing an agreed solution to the entire territory.

The real problem concerns those Serbs living in the midlands and south. Plus of course, the religious and historical heritage. This is going to prove a very tough nut to crack but human ingenuity knows no bounds.

In the meantime I believe the Serbian government can do no more than continue the diplomatic offensive to limit the internation recognition of independence. If after (say) 2 years this has stalled at some 40-50 countries, the UN must bring everyone back to the table and start at the beginning.

"The real problem concerns those Serbs living in the midlands and south. Plus of course, the religious and historical heritage. This is going to prove a very tough nut to crack but human ingenuity knows no bounds."

That was my idea as well, Tom. I see no reason why Serbs should submit to a government they don't want, and didn't ask for. This was the same rationale for breaking Kosovo Province away from Serbia, and thus the same reasoning needs to be applied throughout.

If Belgrade accepts the separation of Kosovo in exchange for RS status for the Serb enclaves north and south of the Ibar, we could see a dramatic reduction in hostilities.

Happy Easter to you man!

Bad Gorilla,

Be sure that Albanians will never control Serb populated areas. North is de facto partitioned and entirely under Belgrade’s umbrella. Now is the question of the Serbian enclaves in the South of Ibar River. Sorry, but criminals involved in organ trafficking cannot have control over Serbs any longer because we don’t want sudden disappearance of Serbs any more. Thachi must find another source of financing himself and his monstrosity. Be sure that if Albanians and UNMIK try to use force against Serbs in order to integrate them forcefully into criminal based society (which Kosovo unfortunately turned into since Albanians took the power), there will be a war. Just accept the reality that Serbs don’t want to live with you and that you cannot have the North.

I hope that document discusses how to deal with the Albanian plan of "separation" of minorities from the NATO's illegal mafia state. Those "separated" in the past 9 years under the Albanian program must be supported from money in the budget in monoethnic Pristina on a per capita basis. There's approximately 300,000 of them counting Serbs, Roma, Ghorani, and others.

Sorry Doni, as you have probably said in the past, Kosovo is a unique case, so making a claim for Albanians in Presevo and Hungarians in Vojvodina won't work.

In the meantime, how about you accept the fact that Serbs can't be ruled by Albanians anymore. That privilege was lost to you long ago.

Serbia is out to destabilize Kosova and the whole region, not "here or there". Isn't this a breach of "international law" or "resolution 1244", etc.

Doni,

Please leave Vojvodina and Hungary where it is. All your concern about Vojvodina-Hungarians is nothing more than merely a poorly hidden hatred towards Serbs. This is a very dangerous platform and as long as Kosovo-Albanians harbor it they won't progress a iota. Remember my words.

Doni:

All of the counter proposals your mention would be rejected out of hand at the UN - no veto required.

And while they would be analogous to the precedent set by the K-albanian Unilateral Declaration of Independence (UDI), they are not in any way similar to the defacto partition that Samardzic proposes.

And try to understand this next bit - will then perhaps make fewer erroneous posts.

In any of your counter proposals, legal term for those attempting to break-away from the state they live in is.. secessionists.

They are deemed so because prior to act of secession, they are citizens of the state in which they live, AND have accepted such previously - whether by birth, or by naturalisation.

Prior to K-albanian UDI, serbs in Kosovo were citizens of Serbia. Serbs in Kosovo have NEVER accepted UDI. And serbs in Kosovo have NEVER agreed to be citizens of new 'pseudo-state'.

And so serbs in Kosovo are in no sense, secessionists. THAT is the difference.