Biserko comes under attack in Serb enclave

More of the same. It seems to me that if a Serb dog urinated against the wheel of a KFOR/UNMIK/NGO vehicle, it would be acting on "the instructions of a section of the government."

Hahaha, promoting project on establishing dialog between Albanians and Serbs, ma hajde! Mrs Biserko should be fully aware that their projects are never in Serbian interests, on the contrary, many times against Serbian interests and thus this news does not surprise at all. Their project was to convince Serbs to accept to be ruled by the Albanians and war criminals involved in organ trafficking, organs taken from Serbs. I don’t need state officials to tell me how to respond when Biserko comes with these kinds of projects. Her allegations are comical. How does she think that an average Serb will respond after her colleague Natasa Kandic slapped in the face one of the Kosovo refugee when he was protested in Belgrade’s streets wondering where are the missing persons. Wonder why she is surprised by this treatment after being silent on crimes committed against Serbs in Kosovo. Didn’t see anywhere her opinion on Cara’s allegations, I didn’t hear anything yet from Natasa Kandic either.

Biserko, Kandic and the rest ot their entourage have always been working against Serbia, that is as plain as the nose on your face.

@pejoni: Let's ask your neighbors in Macedonia, Greece, and Montenegro who they think is more radical Serbs or Albanians.

Sidi: "All the violence these days is coming from Serbs." It's not easy for a people to sit back and watch your land being stolen from you, while the international community apllies double standards.

The Albanians in Kosovo have already accomplished politically what they wanted, with quite a bit of violence I might add.

"Earlier this week, the Helsinki Committee president criticized the authorities in Belgrade after the troubles in Kosovska Mitrovica, claiming they were breaching Resolution 1244. "

This does not surprise me in the slightest. This persons pro-US bias is well known in many circles.

I believe this same group refused to condemn the civilian deaths caused by NATO's bombing of Serbia. And also refuses to condemn the US for any of it's violations in IRAQ - you know, things like torture, rendition & the extraordinarilly high death toll among civilians.

This same group also consistently underestimates civilian deaths caused by the US & overestimates the death toll caused by opponents of US policy. Want a better picture, try Amnesty International rather than 'Human rights watch' as it's now called.

No, it doesn't surprise me in the slightest.

Hope the eggs found their target.

Ms. Biserko wants everyone to know that the only ones allowed to break the confines of 1244 are the UN, EU & the USA.

And what was she expecting? A warm welcome with open arms from the Serbs there at this time? Get real lady!

Wander how welcome Serbian delegation would be in a Pristina restaurant (even though they would be in their own country). How stupid can these people be to go frolicking through Strbac, or how cynical and calculated? At any rate, Sonja go home, your presence is provocative and your words untrue and incendiary.

I know articles like these always flush out the "this is the true face of Serbia" spiel from the Albanian groupthinkers. Yet I really wonder what the same peace-loving people would have done a year ago had Kostunica, or even Tadic, walked right into the center of downtown Pristina.

1244 is world's most flexible piece of rubber. It can be stretched, flexed, twisted endlessly at will - and it wont' break ever, no matter what.

It's a well known fact that these "NGOs" are nothing but CIA funded front groups for the NATO/US/KLA agenda. The Rockebrothers Fund, the Ford Foundation and the National Endowment of Democracy do not hide the fact that they fund NGOs in Serbia for the purpose of serving US foreign policy interests.

But it makes me laugh at the hypocrisy of the KLA supporters on this website and the western media whining about supposed violations of resolution 1244.

Remember March 17, 2004? Let's talk about violence shall we. Let's talk about the systematic destruction of a people's heritage that has taken place under UN/NGO/KLA occupation.

Throwing eggs at a CIA front group is nothing. Driving out 75% of the Roma population and putting them in camps is the real outrage. Destroying centuries old monastaries is the real outrage. An illegal state run by drug traffickers and pimps is the real outrage.

@Ben: We can go round and round on the issue of which side acts more violent and radical. But know this, Albanians were always welcome in any part of Kosovo. If you think living with Serbs was so bad just compare the living standard of Kosovo Albanians to the living standard of your ethnic kinfolk in Albania.

However, now that we know all the Albanians really wanted was our land and God knows what else, Serbian people are not as welcoming.

Hopefully that will change someday. But until then allowing Serbs freedom of movement South of the Ibar without threat or military escort would be a great start.

The criticism levelled at Sonja Biskero, Natasa Kandic is amusing given that they chose to live and work in Serbia to create a more open society whereas many of these posters criticising them live abroad. Whether one agrees or disagrees with Sonja Biserko or Natasa Kandic, the fact remains that they are brave women, threatened and harassed many times who continue their work. If only Arkan, Mladic and other "heroes" had been so brave as to walk around unarmed and unnprotected.

This is just one more proof that people associated with the SRS and the DSS learned nothing from the crimes and abuses from Milosevic era.

The people who trow eggs at Biserko, call Natasa Kandic a “traitor” and phisically attack LDP people are the same that think that Arkan and Mladic were heroes...

Im startng to think K-Serbs are the most radical ppl in all of Balkan. Enough is enough!

....And since the "rent-a-crowd" days, we all know where these people get their money from, hence their agenda.

No surprice at all that western powers line them up in KosovO now but you wont find any bought KosovO-Serb among them, move on...

What is she crying about? They did not throw grenades. This is an example of what I call the "Franz Ferdinand" mentality that has infected most of the western capitals. They oppress a group of people and then go visit those people to promote "friendship". Then they cry when they get a cold reception. Feel free to throw anything you like at them.

All the violence these days is comming from the Serbs. Since independence, Albanians have been very peaceful, and have resisted all Serb provocations with a very mature stance. In the eyes of the International Community Albanians have the higher ground these days, while Serbs keep portraying themselves as troublemakers. In fact, the message comming from the Serbs these days is that "unless we are the ones dominating and ruling over other people, we are not going to stand and god forbid be equal to others. And in my opinion, keep on doing this, because it will only help the Albanians gather even the support of ambivalent countries, in addition to the support of America and Europe which they already have.

"Mike you don't miss an opportunity to attack Albanians do you?"

Ben, I think it's pretty obvious that neither side can safely wander into the other's territory. You know perfectly well that if Kostunica went to Pristina, he'd be greeted with protests, riots and rocks.

Can an Albanian cross into the North? No more likely than a Serb can cross into the south without military escort. Hence, I feel my statement is perfectly valid, and unfortunately realistic given the circumstances. Do I condone what the Serbs did? Not really. Do I understand why they did it? Yes.

Finally, don't take every criticism I say as a direct attack on Albanians as you claim. This site is unfortunately full of nationalistic blowhards, but I'm not one to stereotype an entire ethnicity.

Well said Stuart. Biserko and Kandic have shown enormous courage over the years and have refused to be intimidated by great patriots such as the Serbian diaspora.

And indeed the same can't be said for 'heroes' such as Mladic and his thugs who, when the tide finally turned against them in Bosnia for instance, simply ran for it.

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More of the same. It seems to me that if a Serb dog urinated against the wheel of a KFOR/UNMIK/NGO vehicle, it would be acting on "the instructions of a section of the government."

If he was a truly patriotic Serb dog (whatever that is), he wouldn't need to be told.

Well one more time the destructive people in the serb side are showing their true face. These destructive faces are being manipulated by Kostunica and his people.
In the other side we have the good serb people like Sonja Biserko who always tried and is still trying to tell the truth.
Lets see what serb commentators have to say here in this horrible case where the peace loving Biserko is attacked by hooligans.

Considering Biserko's log term work against Serbs, she was very lucky. But we must admit she was extraordinary brave, or provoke oriented.

Stuart & Alexander James:

Or perhaps I should say Stuart & his echo as the latter didn't actually add anything new.

Equally amusing is that you made no actual attempt to answer those criticisms - just tried to evade the issue by using misdirection.

Is she a brave person? Probably. Although I would suggest that the people trying to carry on with life in the isolated enclaves in Kosovo are far braver - would be far safer to leave, but they choose to stay & they don't get any sort of recognition.

And while we're talking about heroes, lets not forget the likes of Oric, Haradinaj & Thaci.

But on to the topic at hand. Pray tell me..

Why has this woman not condemned NATO for the civilian deaths in the bombing campaign?

Why does the "Helsinki Committee for Human Rights" in Serbia consistently overestimate the death toll in places like Bosnia during the 1990's?

Why does it underestimate the death toll from the civilian bombings?

Why hasn't it's parent group the 'Human Rights Watch" condemned the US for it's rendition program & the use of torture techniques such as 'water-boarding'?

Why does 'Human Rights Watch' consistently underestimate the death toll of civilians in Iraq?

And why has she come out in support of UNMIK when the evidence indicates that UNMIK deliberately tried to proke a riot?

Answer please.

Ben:
"Do you think that Biserko and the one that organize Mitrovica rebellion by throwing hand grenades to UN are the same? "

More of the same old sloppy propaganda ben? Cannot really answer this question because it makes assumptions that are not valid.

Firstly, what rebellion?

How can the serbs in Kosovska Mitrovica be rebelling when they have never joined your so called 'republic of Kosovo'?

And it is not they who are the instigators of the riot of the 17th.. It is the UNMIK high command in Pristina.. which I might add is not the same as the UN.

And while I'am asking them, here are some questions for you regarding UNMIK's mission to arrest those protestors on the 17th - you know.. the one that caused the riot in Kosovska Mitrovica.

The responsible thing for UNMIK to do in these situations is negotiate first & when all avenues of negotiation are exhausted, only then do you consider the use of force.

Was that the case?

Wasn't Samardžic due to visit Kosovska Mitrovica that very day?

Couldn't he have persuaded the protesters to leave, & in doing so, have earned himself some free political 'brownie points'?

I personally don't care who gets the credit, as long as the situation get's resolved peacefully.
The point is, we will never know as he never even got the chance to try.

Why not?

The mission was executed on the aniversary of the 2004 riots.

What 'responsible' person would pick the aniversary date, given that there was no particular urgency to get those people out of the court-house - could easily have waited a day or so - didn't do so.

Why not?

UNMIK's local chief in Kosovska Mitrovica, Gerard Galluci was against this mission & advised his superiors against it predicting that it would lead to violence. After 'the dust settled', he resigned 'in protest'.

As chief for the local area, his knowledge of the local situation was far superior to theirs, & yet his advice was ignored.

Why didn't the UNMIK heads in Pristina listen to him?

This is what Galluci had to say in his report to the UN:

"The report says that the raid was a "badly planned operation to restore law and order in the north, which has led to the disappearance of law and order".

"The choice of the date – March 17 – the fourth anniversary of the last episode of the ethnic cleansing of the Kosovo Serbs, and the decision to arrest and transport the Serbs to Priština looks as if it was created in order to inflame the Serb feelings," Galluci adds. "

I personally think it is a damning indictment of the UNMIK leadership in Pristina.

Do you?

The UNMIK soldier who died was a Ukrainian. One would expect that the Ukrainians would blame the person who killed him for his death. They didn't.

Instead the Ukrainians blamed UNMIK's planners - it seems that they too agree with Galluci.

Why did the Ukrainians blame the UNMIK leadership in Pristina for the death of their soldier?

Why did Carl Bildt, former UN special envoy to the balkans criticise UNMIK's mission?

Why have some many 'posts' on this website called into question the 'wisdom' of UNMIK's mission basically agreeing that riots were the predictable result?

And before you argue that they are all K-serb supporters, think again. Some of them were from the pro K-albanian camp.

So why?

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Mike you don't miss an opportunity to attack Albanians do you?

Why Kostunica in Pristina, ask if a simple K-Albanian can cross the bridge in Mitrovica what will happen to him?

Do you think that Biserko and the one that organize Mitrovica rebellion by throwing hand grenades to UN are the same?

To Tadic- I would ask him to go back home gather courage and next time come to an official visit as the first President of a country in independent Kosova that obviously, he has recognized- provided that this pleasure of the first President to visit Kosova will not be burned by Bush- rumours that Bush will visit Kososva after the meeting of NATO in Bucharest.

Im startng to think K-Serbs are the most radical ppl in all of Balkan. Enough is enough!

Well one more time the destructive people in the serb side are showing their true face. These destructive faces are being manipulated by Kostunica and his people.
In the other side we have the good serb people like Sonja Biserko who always tried and is still trying to tell the truth.
Lets see what serb commentators have to say here in this horrible case where the peace loving Biserko is attacked by hooligans.

This is just one more proof that people associated with the SRS and the DSS learned nothing from the crimes and abuses from Milosevic era.

The people who trow eggs at Biserko, call Natasa Kandic a “traitor” and phisically attack LDP people are the same that think that Arkan and Mladic were heroes...

All the violence these days is comming from the Serbs. Since independence, Albanians have been very peaceful, and have resisted all Serb provocations with a very mature stance. In the eyes of the International Community Albanians have the higher ground these days, while Serbs keep portraying themselves as troublemakers. In fact, the message comming from the Serbs these days is that "unless we are the ones dominating and ruling over other people, we are not going to stand and god forbid be equal to others. And in my opinion, keep on doing this, because it will only help the Albanians gather even the support of ambivalent countries, in addition to the support of America and Europe which they already have.

The criticism levelled at Sonja Biskero, Natasa Kandic is amusing given that they chose to live and work in Serbia to create a more open society whereas many of these posters criticising them live abroad. Whether one agrees or disagrees with Sonja Biserko or Natasa Kandic, the fact remains that they are brave women, threatened and harassed many times who continue their work. If only Arkan, Mladic and other "heroes" had been so brave as to walk around unarmed and unnprotected.

Well said Stuart. Biserko and Kandic have shown enormous courage over the years and have refused to be intimidated by great patriots such as the Serbian diaspora.

And indeed the same can't be said for 'heroes' such as Mladic and his thugs who, when the tide finally turned against them in Bosnia for instance, simply ran for it.

Mike you don't miss an opportunity to attack Albanians do you?

Why Kostunica in Pristina, ask if a simple K-Albanian can cross the bridge in Mitrovica what will happen to him?

Do you think that Biserko and the one that organize Mitrovica rebellion by throwing hand grenades to UN are the same?

To Tadic- I would ask him to go back home gather courage and next time come to an official visit as the first President of a country in independent Kosova that obviously, he has recognized- provided that this pleasure of the first President to visit Kosova will not be burned by Bush- rumours that Bush will visit Kososva after the meeting of NATO in Bucharest.

More of the same. It seems to me that if a Serb dog urinated against the wheel of a KFOR/UNMIK/NGO vehicle, it would be acting on "the instructions of a section of the government."

Hahaha, promoting project on establishing dialog between Albanians and Serbs, ma hajde! Mrs Biserko should be fully aware that their projects are never in Serbian interests, on the contrary, many times against Serbian interests and thus this news does not surprise at all. Their project was to convince Serbs to accept to be ruled by the Albanians and war criminals involved in organ trafficking, organs taken from Serbs. I don’t need state officials to tell me how to respond when Biserko comes with these kinds of projects. Her allegations are comical. How does she think that an average Serb will respond after her colleague Natasa Kandic slapped in the face one of the Kosovo refugee when he was protested in Belgrade’s streets wondering where are the missing persons. Wonder why she is surprised by this treatment after being silent on crimes committed against Serbs in Kosovo. Didn’t see anywhere her opinion on Cara’s allegations, I didn’t hear anything yet from Natasa Kandic either.

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More of the same. It seems to me that if a Serb dog urinated against the wheel of a KFOR/UNMIK/NGO vehicle, it would be acting on "the instructions of a section of the government."

If he was a truly patriotic Serb dog (whatever that is), he wouldn't need to be told.

What is she crying about? They did not throw grenades. This is an example of what I call the "Franz Ferdinand" mentality that has infected most of the western capitals. They oppress a group of people and then go visit those people to promote "friendship". Then they cry when they get a cold reception. Feel free to throw anything you like at them.

And what was she expecting? A warm welcome with open arms from the Serbs there at this time? Get real lady!

....And since the "rent-a-crowd" days, we all know where these people get their money from, hence their agenda.

No surprice at all that western powers line them up in KosovO now but you wont find any bought KosovO-Serb among them, move on...

Ms. Biserko wants everyone to know that the only ones allowed to break the confines of 1244 are the UN, EU & the USA.

1244 is world's most flexible piece of rubber. It can be stretched, flexed, twisted endlessly at will - and it wont' break ever, no matter what.

Wander how welcome Serbian delegation would be in a Pristina restaurant (even though they would be in their own country). How stupid can these people be to go frolicking through Strbac, or how cynical and calculated? At any rate, Sonja go home, your presence is provocative and your words untrue and incendiary.

@pejoni: Let's ask your neighbors in Macedonia, Greece, and Montenegro who they think is more radical Serbs or Albanians.

Sidi: "All the violence these days is coming from Serbs." It's not easy for a people to sit back and watch your land being stolen from you, while the international community apllies double standards.

The Albanians in Kosovo have already accomplished politically what they wanted, with quite a bit of violence I might add.

"Earlier this week, the Helsinki Committee president criticized the authorities in Belgrade after the troubles in Kosovska Mitrovica, claiming they were breaching Resolution 1244. "

This does not surprise me in the slightest. This persons pro-US bias is well known in many circles.

I believe this same group refused to condemn the civilian deaths caused by NATO's bombing of Serbia. And also refuses to condemn the US for any of it's violations in IRAQ - you know, things like torture, rendition & the extraordinarilly high death toll among civilians.

This same group also consistently underestimates civilian deaths caused by the US & overestimates the death toll caused by opponents of US policy. Want a better picture, try Amnesty International rather than 'Human rights watch' as it's now called.

No, it doesn't surprise me in the slightest.

Hope the eggs found their target.

Biserko, Kandic and the rest ot their entourage have always been working against Serbia, that is as plain as the nose on your face.

I know articles like these always flush out the "this is the true face of Serbia" spiel from the Albanian groupthinkers. Yet I really wonder what the same peace-loving people would have done a year ago had Kostunica, or even Tadic, walked right into the center of downtown Pristina.

It's a well known fact that these "NGOs" are nothing but CIA funded front groups for the NATO/US/KLA agenda. The Rockebrothers Fund, the Ford Foundation and the National Endowment of Democracy do not hide the fact that they fund NGOs in Serbia for the purpose of serving US foreign policy interests.

But it makes me laugh at the hypocrisy of the KLA supporters on this website and the western media whining about supposed violations of resolution 1244.

Remember March 17, 2004? Let's talk about violence shall we. Let's talk about the systematic destruction of a people's heritage that has taken place under UN/NGO/KLA occupation.

Throwing eggs at a CIA front group is nothing. Driving out 75% of the Roma population and putting them in camps is the real outrage. Destroying centuries old monastaries is the real outrage. An illegal state run by drug traffickers and pimps is the real outrage.

"Mike you don't miss an opportunity to attack Albanians do you?"

Ben, I think it's pretty obvious that neither side can safely wander into the other's territory. You know perfectly well that if Kostunica went to Pristina, he'd be greeted with protests, riots and rocks.

Can an Albanian cross into the North? No more likely than a Serb can cross into the south without military escort. Hence, I feel my statement is perfectly valid, and unfortunately realistic given the circumstances. Do I condone what the Serbs did? Not really. Do I understand why they did it? Yes.

Finally, don't take every criticism I say as a direct attack on Albanians as you claim. This site is unfortunately full of nationalistic blowhards, but I'm not one to stereotype an entire ethnicity.

@Ben: We can go round and round on the issue of which side acts more violent and radical. But know this, Albanians were always welcome in any part of Kosovo. If you think living with Serbs was so bad just compare the living standard of Kosovo Albanians to the living standard of your ethnic kinfolk in Albania.

However, now that we know all the Albanians really wanted was our land and God knows what else, Serbian people are not as welcoming.

Hopefully that will change someday. But until then allowing Serbs freedom of movement South of the Ibar without threat or military escort would be a great start.

Considering Biserko's log term work against Serbs, she was very lucky. But we must admit she was extraordinary brave, or provoke oriented.

Stuart & Alexander James:

Or perhaps I should say Stuart & his echo as the latter didn't actually add anything new.

Equally amusing is that you made no actual attempt to answer those criticisms - just tried to evade the issue by using misdirection.

Is she a brave person? Probably. Although I would suggest that the people trying to carry on with life in the isolated enclaves in Kosovo are far braver - would be far safer to leave, but they choose to stay & they don't get any sort of recognition.

And while we're talking about heroes, lets not forget the likes of Oric, Haradinaj & Thaci.

But on to the topic at hand. Pray tell me..

Why has this woman not condemned NATO for the civilian deaths in the bombing campaign?

Why does the "Helsinki Committee for Human Rights" in Serbia consistently overestimate the death toll in places like Bosnia during the 1990's?

Why does it underestimate the death toll from the civilian bombings?

Why hasn't it's parent group the 'Human Rights Watch" condemned the US for it's rendition program & the use of torture techniques such as 'water-boarding'?

Why does 'Human Rights Watch' consistently underestimate the death toll of civilians in Iraq?

And why has she come out in support of UNMIK when the evidence indicates that UNMIK deliberately tried to proke a riot?

Answer please.

Ben:
"Do you think that Biserko and the one that organize Mitrovica rebellion by throwing hand grenades to UN are the same? "

More of the same old sloppy propaganda ben? Cannot really answer this question because it makes assumptions that are not valid.

Firstly, what rebellion?

How can the serbs in Kosovska Mitrovica be rebelling when they have never joined your so called 'republic of Kosovo'?

And it is not they who are the instigators of the riot of the 17th.. It is the UNMIK high command in Pristina.. which I might add is not the same as the UN.

And while I'am asking them, here are some questions for you regarding UNMIK's mission to arrest those protestors on the 17th - you know.. the one that caused the riot in Kosovska Mitrovica.

The responsible thing for UNMIK to do in these situations is negotiate first & when all avenues of negotiation are exhausted, only then do you consider the use of force.

Was that the case?

Wasn't Samardžic due to visit Kosovska Mitrovica that very day?

Couldn't he have persuaded the protesters to leave, & in doing so, have earned himself some free political 'brownie points'?

I personally don't care who gets the credit, as long as the situation get's resolved peacefully.
The point is, we will never know as he never even got the chance to try.

Why not?

The mission was executed on the aniversary of the 2004 riots.

What 'responsible' person would pick the aniversary date, given that there was no particular urgency to get those people out of the court-house - could easily have waited a day or so - didn't do so.

Why not?

UNMIK's local chief in Kosovska Mitrovica, Gerard Galluci was against this mission & advised his superiors against it predicting that it would lead to violence. After 'the dust settled', he resigned 'in protest'.

As chief for the local area, his knowledge of the local situation was far superior to theirs, & yet his advice was ignored.

Why didn't the UNMIK heads in Pristina listen to him?

This is what Galluci had to say in his report to the UN:

"The report says that the raid was a "badly planned operation to restore law and order in the north, which has led to the disappearance of law and order".

"The choice of the date – March 17 – the fourth anniversary of the last episode of the ethnic cleansing of the Kosovo Serbs, and the decision to arrest and transport the Serbs to Priština looks as if it was created in order to inflame the Serb feelings," Galluci adds. "

I personally think it is a damning indictment of the UNMIK leadership in Pristina.

Do you?

The UNMIK soldier who died was a Ukrainian. One would expect that the Ukrainians would blame the person who killed him for his death. They didn't.

Instead the Ukrainians blamed UNMIK's planners - it seems that they too agree with Galluci.

Why did the Ukrainians blame the UNMIK leadership in Pristina for the death of their soldier?

Why did Carl Bildt, former UN special envoy to the balkans criticise UNMIK's mission?

Why have some many 'posts' on this website called into question the 'wisdom' of UNMIK's mission basically agreeing that riots were the predictable result?

And before you argue that they are all K-serb supporters, think again. Some of them were from the pro K-albanian camp.

So why?

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