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Friday, 21.03.2008.

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Poll: DS, G17 Plus 105; SRS, DSS 121 seats

A new poll shows that the DS-G17 Plus coalition can count on 105 seats in the parliament.

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Bosko

pre 16 godina

Kostunica is the man the west fears the most. His name is rubbished all over the media, yet his comments hit home more than any other politician I hear in Belgrade. I hope this is realized by all Serbs eligible to vote on May 11.

bganon

pre 16 godina

Nikola yes SPS did co-operate with DOS under Bane Ivkovic.

Wishful thinking is that any political option supports principles - particularly the careerist parties with staff full of 'professional' politicians who have never had real jobs.

smile BIA won't be needed. All that needs to be done is to secure huge funding from certain businessmen. Ask yourself whether businessmen in Serbia will prefer a SRS government or something, anything else. No, I think that SPS will go where the money goes. If you know Dacic, it would be shocking to see anything else. How he will survive at the following election is another matter. Probably he will cross that bridge when he comes to it.

BTW we saw a clue of what may come to pass with Dragan Markovic's party. He is a part of the SPS coalition. Perhaps if PUPS decide to also side with 'European' ideals SPS might claim they were outvoted by their coalition partners and decide to back a DS government.

smile you have misunderstood. my intention isn't to persuade you to change your vote, its to describe what could well happen. perhaps its cynical and of course its dirty but its still preferable to a SRS government in my opinion, who of course will also be adopting every dirty tactic to maximise their chances.

And as for the fact that you say you have been mistaken in politics before - I am not in the least bit surprised. :)

Nikola Peric

pre 16 godina

@ bganon

There is no chance the SPS would ever join a coalition with the DS. Remember this coalition is composed of Milosevic's fiercest opponents and even though the SPS has gone through a series of "modernization" there is no way they would ever join Tadic and his goons.

Besides... you think a coalition composed of Draskovic, Dinkic and Canak would ever allow there party to be involved in any way with the SPS? The SPS never cooperated with the DOS.. they cooperated with Kostunica after the collapse of the DOS. And they will cooperate with Kostunica once more.

The end result WILL be a coalition composed of
SRS, DSS, NS and the SPS.

and I for one am crossing my fingers that this happens

CCCC

Nicholas Klinsman

pre 16 godina

Marko, I agree with you on most of what you said, and I also think Kostunica can contribute much to Serbia. I just don't think he can lead simply because he is neither here or there and leaders need to be more decisive and responsible.

Also, I think you know that Kosovo was ripped away in 1999 not 2008 so let's not put that on Tadic or any of the democrats. As far Montenegro, they made their own choice. Thus, it wasn't ripped away from Serbia.

Hi Smile, I like bganon also so no worries. However, do you really believe things are worse now than they were under Milosevic? Maybe your individual situation might be different but I don't think this is true for most Serbs.

The Swiss

pre 16 godina

Don't think so? Arent you forgetting that SPS have co-operated with DOS before? And remember Bane Ivkovic?
(bganon, 21 March 2008 21:11)

They will be the kingmaker and most likely with DS as incredible as it can sound!

marko

pre 16 godina

Nicholas

I also want the people of Serbia to have the same opportunities afforded to peoples of wealthier nations, but this will not happen until Europe changes its approach to the Serbian people. This will not happen with Tadic as he is not taken seriously by western leaders. The offer him friendship and just as he grasps their hand they rip parts of his country off with the other hand.

As far as Kostunica is concerned, his main problem is his image; he is viewed by nationalists as not nationalistic enough and he is viewed by Westernizers as not enough of a reformer. My feeling on the matter is that Kostunica has proven that he will fight for law and order and he will fight for the integrity of Serbia, He proved this when he used the will of the Serbian people and law and stood up to Milosevic. He proved it again when he stood up to the entire western world using the same tools (law and the will of the Serbian people).

Kostunica is not an attractive figure to most Serbs, but he has a lot of integrity as far as Kosovo is concerned and whoever forms the next government can not ignore that he is a capable man

smile

pre 16 godina

hey bganon, hey juergen, i like you both. i admit i don’t like juergen as much as i like bgnanon but nevermind. it's close :)

now, bganon, that said, i'm just the wrong person mate to sell these stories too. a life long ds supporter cruelly stabbed in the back with ds' abandonment of kosovo to albanians. but nevermind, i live and learn :)
but let's look at this because it's priceless:

'You think that Dacic isn't calculating which coalition can give him the most benefit / places on public enterprises, promises not to pursue Marko and Mirjana, even as we speak'.
what is it you're telling me here :) tadic and canak will give sps board seats and protect marko and mira, but srs and dss wont? :)) thanks, i think so too, that's why i'll vote dss.

then:

'Arent you forgetting that SPS have co-operated with DOS before? And remember Bane Ivkovic?'

yeah :) that was bia at work if i'm not mistaken. when petrovic held it? :)) was it :))) sorry i know it's immature all these smilies but i'm just literally laughing here. ok, chuckling, not laughing.
anyway do you know who holds bia nowadays? and do you know who was in dos then?
there you go.

juergen,
first of all, go patronize your mamma and your pappa :) as the saying goes. lay off understanding me or my troubles.
next,
'I want to see all the children of Serbia have the same opportunity as him, without having to go to a foreign country'.

that's moving. it sounds like a good slogan. but of course not all children will get education in the us, or opportunities of us standard, whatever that is these days, getting shot while on campus? not 0.07% will, even if we agree to give up all our territory except for belgrade. don’t sell me that. lets see where our borders are then lets all become world swimming champions, shall we? one step at a time.
a propos. the most astonishing thing right after the declaration, on one of bg televisions. the thing that just swayed me. you know that remarkable professor, srbijanka turajlic. i think she teaches law, but even is she doesn’t, she a university professor. so she backs tadic, eu, all that hot air. so there is a forum where a young man who opposes that says, the eu has broken the law. the mission to kosovo is illegal, and recognitions are illegal under international law. how can we accept it? how can the eu tomorrow ask us to improve our legislation in order to join when they break the law and behave like bullies? but, the young and bright man also happens to have attended a university abroad. so how does the professor answer? she doesn’t refute his claim that the eu is violating international law and is therefore an unacceptable organization for any truly democratic country. she doesn’t address the question at all. instead, she says, 'why do you want to take from others what you had, education abroad'. the pitiful moment for the serbian high education. the moment when it hit rock bottom. to think that such people, propaganda mongers, demagogues, represent it and hold titles of professors, and are not ashamed to speak like that in public.
anyway. you and turajlic, you wouldn’t happen to be getting memos from the same address? :)
just curious.
as for voting for parties that bring most opportunities, blahblah.. they have held office for almost 8 years now. close to how long milosevic held it. there are no opportunities. its been getting worse all the time.

Nicholas Klinsman

pre 16 godina

@Smile: I understand why you're having trouble backing a pro western bloc considering all that has happened and is happening.

Yes, we are all proud of Milorad Cavic and his gold medal, and we are also proud of his love for Serbia.

But let's look deeper into it. Do you think Milorad Cavic would be the swimmer he is today if he didn't get the training and education he recieved in the USA?

I want to see all the children of Serbia have the same opportunity as him, without having to go to a foreign country.

Serbia has very talented people, but opportunities are limited. I hope you vote for the group that will make life better for the majority of citizens in Serbia not for the parties you think conflict the most with western countries.

bganon

pre 16 godina

smile where are you living?!

You think that Dacic isn't calculating which coalition can give him the most benefit / places on public enterprises, promises not to pursue Marko and Mirjana, even as we speak.

Or do you think that SPS will vote on principle :)))

Add to that the kerching of Serbia's number 1 'businessman' and does anybody truly doubt which side SPS will back?

Don't think so? Arent you forgetting that SPS have co-operated with DOS before? And remember Bane Ivkovic?

Nicholas Klinsman

pre 16 godina

Marko, although I'm going for Tadic and G-17 in this election, I would rather have Nikolic and the SRS in power instead of the DSS. At least they are people of action.

The DSS has already had its turn being a king and kingmaker and has not delivered anything in terms of vision.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with Kostunica on many things. I think his voice in a cabinet would not be bad, however in a position of leadership I think he has done more harm than good.

I want the people in Serbia to have the same living standard as people in western countries. So far all the DSS can do is criticize what others do.

smile

pre 16 godina

hey juergen, i think the eu did a pretty good gesture today eliminating our gold medalist because he loves serbia and states obvious facts that are not offensive or belligerent to anybody. indeed, indeed, plenty of time until may, for this ds abomination to lose more votes :) did it escape your attention that dss, srs and sps can, and will, comfortably form government? or do you think sps will go to an alliance with nenad canak :)) where do you people come from with these comments :) and if this is what you do for a living.. my sincere condolences :)

Nicholas Klinsman

pre 16 godina

The DSS has slid too far down to be an important impact on Serbia's future. The radicals are the most popular because they say what they mean and mean what they say. With so much turmoil people like simplicity.

All the current negative feeling toward the west is striking at the pro-western coalition. However, it's a long way until May 11. A few April surprises could turn this poll around enough to take votes from the DSS.
Remember that Tadic is still the most popular politician according to this poll, and the people who support him are likely to support the western bloc.

Instead of the usual rhetoric about the EU doors being open to Serbia, a couple of gestures from the west would be big right now.

marko

pre 16 godina

I don't agree with the previous poster about the dss being "blown out of the water" they are 14 points behind the entire DS coalition. Actually the DSS is likely going to be a king maker once again. I think these poll numbers show an erosion of support for people who would sell Kosovo, while all other political groups are making gains. This is seen in the Negative DS campaign compared to the others that are not at all negative. At the moment the only thing the DS has going for it is the momentum of fear

this won't last

bganon

pre 16 godina

At last an opinion poll conducted by a reputable organisation post Kosovo independence.

As I thought it all comes down to SPS in the end. I expect there is some debate going on within the party on who to back already.

It is a bit of a surprise that LDP don't make the census by quite a large margin. They will have work to do to get in parliament.

On the other hand its no surprise that DSS have been blown out of the water.

It would seem that LDP cannot out 'Europeanise' DS and that DSS cannot out 'Kosovise' SRS.

marko

pre 16 godina

Nicholas

I also want the people of Serbia to have the same opportunities afforded to peoples of wealthier nations, but this will not happen until Europe changes its approach to the Serbian people. This will not happen with Tadic as he is not taken seriously by western leaders. The offer him friendship and just as he grasps their hand they rip parts of his country off with the other hand.

As far as Kostunica is concerned, his main problem is his image; he is viewed by nationalists as not nationalistic enough and he is viewed by Westernizers as not enough of a reformer. My feeling on the matter is that Kostunica has proven that he will fight for law and order and he will fight for the integrity of Serbia, He proved this when he used the will of the Serbian people and law and stood up to Milosevic. He proved it again when he stood up to the entire western world using the same tools (law and the will of the Serbian people).

Kostunica is not an attractive figure to most Serbs, but he has a lot of integrity as far as Kosovo is concerned and whoever forms the next government can not ignore that he is a capable man

smile

pre 16 godina

hey juergen, i think the eu did a pretty good gesture today eliminating our gold medalist because he loves serbia and states obvious facts that are not offensive or belligerent to anybody. indeed, indeed, plenty of time until may, for this ds abomination to lose more votes :) did it escape your attention that dss, srs and sps can, and will, comfortably form government? or do you think sps will go to an alliance with nenad canak :)) where do you people come from with these comments :) and if this is what you do for a living.. my sincere condolences :)

marko

pre 16 godina

I don't agree with the previous poster about the dss being "blown out of the water" they are 14 points behind the entire DS coalition. Actually the DSS is likely going to be a king maker once again. I think these poll numbers show an erosion of support for people who would sell Kosovo, while all other political groups are making gains. This is seen in the Negative DS campaign compared to the others that are not at all negative. At the moment the only thing the DS has going for it is the momentum of fear

this won't last

smile

pre 16 godina

hey bganon, hey juergen, i like you both. i admit i don’t like juergen as much as i like bgnanon but nevermind. it's close :)

now, bganon, that said, i'm just the wrong person mate to sell these stories too. a life long ds supporter cruelly stabbed in the back with ds' abandonment of kosovo to albanians. but nevermind, i live and learn :)
but let's look at this because it's priceless:

'You think that Dacic isn't calculating which coalition can give him the most benefit / places on public enterprises, promises not to pursue Marko and Mirjana, even as we speak'.
what is it you're telling me here :) tadic and canak will give sps board seats and protect marko and mira, but srs and dss wont? :)) thanks, i think so too, that's why i'll vote dss.

then:

'Arent you forgetting that SPS have co-operated with DOS before? And remember Bane Ivkovic?'

yeah :) that was bia at work if i'm not mistaken. when petrovic held it? :)) was it :))) sorry i know it's immature all these smilies but i'm just literally laughing here. ok, chuckling, not laughing.
anyway do you know who holds bia nowadays? and do you know who was in dos then?
there you go.

juergen,
first of all, go patronize your mamma and your pappa :) as the saying goes. lay off understanding me or my troubles.
next,
'I want to see all the children of Serbia have the same opportunity as him, without having to go to a foreign country'.

that's moving. it sounds like a good slogan. but of course not all children will get education in the us, or opportunities of us standard, whatever that is these days, getting shot while on campus? not 0.07% will, even if we agree to give up all our territory except for belgrade. don’t sell me that. lets see where our borders are then lets all become world swimming champions, shall we? one step at a time.
a propos. the most astonishing thing right after the declaration, on one of bg televisions. the thing that just swayed me. you know that remarkable professor, srbijanka turajlic. i think she teaches law, but even is she doesn’t, she a university professor. so she backs tadic, eu, all that hot air. so there is a forum where a young man who opposes that says, the eu has broken the law. the mission to kosovo is illegal, and recognitions are illegal under international law. how can we accept it? how can the eu tomorrow ask us to improve our legislation in order to join when they break the law and behave like bullies? but, the young and bright man also happens to have attended a university abroad. so how does the professor answer? she doesn’t refute his claim that the eu is violating international law and is therefore an unacceptable organization for any truly democratic country. she doesn’t address the question at all. instead, she says, 'why do you want to take from others what you had, education abroad'. the pitiful moment for the serbian high education. the moment when it hit rock bottom. to think that such people, propaganda mongers, demagogues, represent it and hold titles of professors, and are not ashamed to speak like that in public.
anyway. you and turajlic, you wouldn’t happen to be getting memos from the same address? :)
just curious.
as for voting for parties that bring most opportunities, blahblah.. they have held office for almost 8 years now. close to how long milosevic held it. there are no opportunities. its been getting worse all the time.

Nicholas Klinsman

pre 16 godina

@Smile: I understand why you're having trouble backing a pro western bloc considering all that has happened and is happening.

Yes, we are all proud of Milorad Cavic and his gold medal, and we are also proud of his love for Serbia.

But let's look deeper into it. Do you think Milorad Cavic would be the swimmer he is today if he didn't get the training and education he recieved in the USA?

I want to see all the children of Serbia have the same opportunity as him, without having to go to a foreign country.

Serbia has very talented people, but opportunities are limited. I hope you vote for the group that will make life better for the majority of citizens in Serbia not for the parties you think conflict the most with western countries.

Nicholas Klinsman

pre 16 godina

Marko, I agree with you on most of what you said, and I also think Kostunica can contribute much to Serbia. I just don't think he can lead simply because he is neither here or there and leaders need to be more decisive and responsible.

Also, I think you know that Kosovo was ripped away in 1999 not 2008 so let's not put that on Tadic or any of the democrats. As far Montenegro, they made their own choice. Thus, it wasn't ripped away from Serbia.

Hi Smile, I like bganon also so no worries. However, do you really believe things are worse now than they were under Milosevic? Maybe your individual situation might be different but I don't think this is true for most Serbs.

bganon

pre 16 godina

At last an opinion poll conducted by a reputable organisation post Kosovo independence.

As I thought it all comes down to SPS in the end. I expect there is some debate going on within the party on who to back already.

It is a bit of a surprise that LDP don't make the census by quite a large margin. They will have work to do to get in parliament.

On the other hand its no surprise that DSS have been blown out of the water.

It would seem that LDP cannot out 'Europeanise' DS and that DSS cannot out 'Kosovise' SRS.

Nikola Peric

pre 16 godina

@ bganon

There is no chance the SPS would ever join a coalition with the DS. Remember this coalition is composed of Milosevic's fiercest opponents and even though the SPS has gone through a series of "modernization" there is no way they would ever join Tadic and his goons.

Besides... you think a coalition composed of Draskovic, Dinkic and Canak would ever allow there party to be involved in any way with the SPS? The SPS never cooperated with the DOS.. they cooperated with Kostunica after the collapse of the DOS. And they will cooperate with Kostunica once more.

The end result WILL be a coalition composed of
SRS, DSS, NS and the SPS.

and I for one am crossing my fingers that this happens

CCCC

Nicholas Klinsman

pre 16 godina

The DSS has slid too far down to be an important impact on Serbia's future. The radicals are the most popular because they say what they mean and mean what they say. With so much turmoil people like simplicity.

All the current negative feeling toward the west is striking at the pro-western coalition. However, it's a long way until May 11. A few April surprises could turn this poll around enough to take votes from the DSS.
Remember that Tadic is still the most popular politician according to this poll, and the people who support him are likely to support the western bloc.

Instead of the usual rhetoric about the EU doors being open to Serbia, a couple of gestures from the west would be big right now.

Nicholas Klinsman

pre 16 godina

Marko, although I'm going for Tadic and G-17 in this election, I would rather have Nikolic and the SRS in power instead of the DSS. At least they are people of action.

The DSS has already had its turn being a king and kingmaker and has not delivered anything in terms of vision.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with Kostunica on many things. I think his voice in a cabinet would not be bad, however in a position of leadership I think he has done more harm than good.

I want the people in Serbia to have the same living standard as people in western countries. So far all the DSS can do is criticize what others do.

Bosko

pre 16 godina

Kostunica is the man the west fears the most. His name is rubbished all over the media, yet his comments hit home more than any other politician I hear in Belgrade. I hope this is realized by all Serbs eligible to vote on May 11.

bganon

pre 16 godina

smile where are you living?!

You think that Dacic isn't calculating which coalition can give him the most benefit / places on public enterprises, promises not to pursue Marko and Mirjana, even as we speak.

Or do you think that SPS will vote on principle :)))

Add to that the kerching of Serbia's number 1 'businessman' and does anybody truly doubt which side SPS will back?

Don't think so? Arent you forgetting that SPS have co-operated with DOS before? And remember Bane Ivkovic?

The Swiss

pre 16 godina

Don't think so? Arent you forgetting that SPS have co-operated with DOS before? And remember Bane Ivkovic?
(bganon, 21 March 2008 21:11)

They will be the kingmaker and most likely with DS as incredible as it can sound!

bganon

pre 16 godina

Nikola yes SPS did co-operate with DOS under Bane Ivkovic.

Wishful thinking is that any political option supports principles - particularly the careerist parties with staff full of 'professional' politicians who have never had real jobs.

smile BIA won't be needed. All that needs to be done is to secure huge funding from certain businessmen. Ask yourself whether businessmen in Serbia will prefer a SRS government or something, anything else. No, I think that SPS will go where the money goes. If you know Dacic, it would be shocking to see anything else. How he will survive at the following election is another matter. Probably he will cross that bridge when he comes to it.

BTW we saw a clue of what may come to pass with Dragan Markovic's party. He is a part of the SPS coalition. Perhaps if PUPS decide to also side with 'European' ideals SPS might claim they were outvoted by their coalition partners and decide to back a DS government.

smile you have misunderstood. my intention isn't to persuade you to change your vote, its to describe what could well happen. perhaps its cynical and of course its dirty but its still preferable to a SRS government in my opinion, who of course will also be adopting every dirty tactic to maximise their chances.

And as for the fact that you say you have been mistaken in politics before - I am not in the least bit surprised. :)

Nicholas Klinsman

pre 16 godina

The DSS has slid too far down to be an important impact on Serbia's future. The radicals are the most popular because they say what they mean and mean what they say. With so much turmoil people like simplicity.

All the current negative feeling toward the west is striking at the pro-western coalition. However, it's a long way until May 11. A few April surprises could turn this poll around enough to take votes from the DSS.
Remember that Tadic is still the most popular politician according to this poll, and the people who support him are likely to support the western bloc.

Instead of the usual rhetoric about the EU doors being open to Serbia, a couple of gestures from the west would be big right now.

bganon

pre 16 godina

At last an opinion poll conducted by a reputable organisation post Kosovo independence.

As I thought it all comes down to SPS in the end. I expect there is some debate going on within the party on who to back already.

It is a bit of a surprise that LDP don't make the census by quite a large margin. They will have work to do to get in parliament.

On the other hand its no surprise that DSS have been blown out of the water.

It would seem that LDP cannot out 'Europeanise' DS and that DSS cannot out 'Kosovise' SRS.

Nicholas Klinsman

pre 16 godina

Marko, although I'm going for Tadic and G-17 in this election, I would rather have Nikolic and the SRS in power instead of the DSS. At least they are people of action.

The DSS has already had its turn being a king and kingmaker and has not delivered anything in terms of vision.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with Kostunica on many things. I think his voice in a cabinet would not be bad, however in a position of leadership I think he has done more harm than good.

I want the people in Serbia to have the same living standard as people in western countries. So far all the DSS can do is criticize what others do.

bganon

pre 16 godina

smile where are you living?!

You think that Dacic isn't calculating which coalition can give him the most benefit / places on public enterprises, promises not to pursue Marko and Mirjana, even as we speak.

Or do you think that SPS will vote on principle :)))

Add to that the kerching of Serbia's number 1 'businessman' and does anybody truly doubt which side SPS will back?

Don't think so? Arent you forgetting that SPS have co-operated with DOS before? And remember Bane Ivkovic?

Nicholas Klinsman

pre 16 godina

@Smile: I understand why you're having trouble backing a pro western bloc considering all that has happened and is happening.

Yes, we are all proud of Milorad Cavic and his gold medal, and we are also proud of his love for Serbia.

But let's look deeper into it. Do you think Milorad Cavic would be the swimmer he is today if he didn't get the training and education he recieved in the USA?

I want to see all the children of Serbia have the same opportunity as him, without having to go to a foreign country.

Serbia has very talented people, but opportunities are limited. I hope you vote for the group that will make life better for the majority of citizens in Serbia not for the parties you think conflict the most with western countries.

marko

pre 16 godina

I don't agree with the previous poster about the dss being "blown out of the water" they are 14 points behind the entire DS coalition. Actually the DSS is likely going to be a king maker once again. I think these poll numbers show an erosion of support for people who would sell Kosovo, while all other political groups are making gains. This is seen in the Negative DS campaign compared to the others that are not at all negative. At the moment the only thing the DS has going for it is the momentum of fear

this won't last

smile

pre 16 godina

hey juergen, i think the eu did a pretty good gesture today eliminating our gold medalist because he loves serbia and states obvious facts that are not offensive or belligerent to anybody. indeed, indeed, plenty of time until may, for this ds abomination to lose more votes :) did it escape your attention that dss, srs and sps can, and will, comfortably form government? or do you think sps will go to an alliance with nenad canak :)) where do you people come from with these comments :) and if this is what you do for a living.. my sincere condolences :)

marko

pre 16 godina

Nicholas

I also want the people of Serbia to have the same opportunities afforded to peoples of wealthier nations, but this will not happen until Europe changes its approach to the Serbian people. This will not happen with Tadic as he is not taken seriously by western leaders. The offer him friendship and just as he grasps their hand they rip parts of his country off with the other hand.

As far as Kostunica is concerned, his main problem is his image; he is viewed by nationalists as not nationalistic enough and he is viewed by Westernizers as not enough of a reformer. My feeling on the matter is that Kostunica has proven that he will fight for law and order and he will fight for the integrity of Serbia, He proved this when he used the will of the Serbian people and law and stood up to Milosevic. He proved it again when he stood up to the entire western world using the same tools (law and the will of the Serbian people).

Kostunica is not an attractive figure to most Serbs, but he has a lot of integrity as far as Kosovo is concerned and whoever forms the next government can not ignore that he is a capable man

smile

pre 16 godina

hey bganon, hey juergen, i like you both. i admit i don’t like juergen as much as i like bgnanon but nevermind. it's close :)

now, bganon, that said, i'm just the wrong person mate to sell these stories too. a life long ds supporter cruelly stabbed in the back with ds' abandonment of kosovo to albanians. but nevermind, i live and learn :)
but let's look at this because it's priceless:

'You think that Dacic isn't calculating which coalition can give him the most benefit / places on public enterprises, promises not to pursue Marko and Mirjana, even as we speak'.
what is it you're telling me here :) tadic and canak will give sps board seats and protect marko and mira, but srs and dss wont? :)) thanks, i think so too, that's why i'll vote dss.

then:

'Arent you forgetting that SPS have co-operated with DOS before? And remember Bane Ivkovic?'

yeah :) that was bia at work if i'm not mistaken. when petrovic held it? :)) was it :))) sorry i know it's immature all these smilies but i'm just literally laughing here. ok, chuckling, not laughing.
anyway do you know who holds bia nowadays? and do you know who was in dos then?
there you go.

juergen,
first of all, go patronize your mamma and your pappa :) as the saying goes. lay off understanding me or my troubles.
next,
'I want to see all the children of Serbia have the same opportunity as him, without having to go to a foreign country'.

that's moving. it sounds like a good slogan. but of course not all children will get education in the us, or opportunities of us standard, whatever that is these days, getting shot while on campus? not 0.07% will, even if we agree to give up all our territory except for belgrade. don’t sell me that. lets see where our borders are then lets all become world swimming champions, shall we? one step at a time.
a propos. the most astonishing thing right after the declaration, on one of bg televisions. the thing that just swayed me. you know that remarkable professor, srbijanka turajlic. i think she teaches law, but even is she doesn’t, she a university professor. so she backs tadic, eu, all that hot air. so there is a forum where a young man who opposes that says, the eu has broken the law. the mission to kosovo is illegal, and recognitions are illegal under international law. how can we accept it? how can the eu tomorrow ask us to improve our legislation in order to join when they break the law and behave like bullies? but, the young and bright man also happens to have attended a university abroad. so how does the professor answer? she doesn’t refute his claim that the eu is violating international law and is therefore an unacceptable organization for any truly democratic country. she doesn’t address the question at all. instead, she says, 'why do you want to take from others what you had, education abroad'. the pitiful moment for the serbian high education. the moment when it hit rock bottom. to think that such people, propaganda mongers, demagogues, represent it and hold titles of professors, and are not ashamed to speak like that in public.
anyway. you and turajlic, you wouldn’t happen to be getting memos from the same address? :)
just curious.
as for voting for parties that bring most opportunities, blahblah.. they have held office for almost 8 years now. close to how long milosevic held it. there are no opportunities. its been getting worse all the time.

The Swiss

pre 16 godina

Don't think so? Arent you forgetting that SPS have co-operated with DOS before? And remember Bane Ivkovic?
(bganon, 21 March 2008 21:11)

They will be the kingmaker and most likely with DS as incredible as it can sound!

Nicholas Klinsman

pre 16 godina

Marko, I agree with you on most of what you said, and I also think Kostunica can contribute much to Serbia. I just don't think he can lead simply because he is neither here or there and leaders need to be more decisive and responsible.

Also, I think you know that Kosovo was ripped away in 1999 not 2008 so let's not put that on Tadic or any of the democrats. As far Montenegro, they made their own choice. Thus, it wasn't ripped away from Serbia.

Hi Smile, I like bganon also so no worries. However, do you really believe things are worse now than they were under Milosevic? Maybe your individual situation might be different but I don't think this is true for most Serbs.

Nikola Peric

pre 16 godina

@ bganon

There is no chance the SPS would ever join a coalition with the DS. Remember this coalition is composed of Milosevic's fiercest opponents and even though the SPS has gone through a series of "modernization" there is no way they would ever join Tadic and his goons.

Besides... you think a coalition composed of Draskovic, Dinkic and Canak would ever allow there party to be involved in any way with the SPS? The SPS never cooperated with the DOS.. they cooperated with Kostunica after the collapse of the DOS. And they will cooperate with Kostunica once more.

The end result WILL be a coalition composed of
SRS, DSS, NS and the SPS.

and I for one am crossing my fingers that this happens

CCCC

bganon

pre 16 godina

Nikola yes SPS did co-operate with DOS under Bane Ivkovic.

Wishful thinking is that any political option supports principles - particularly the careerist parties with staff full of 'professional' politicians who have never had real jobs.

smile BIA won't be needed. All that needs to be done is to secure huge funding from certain businessmen. Ask yourself whether businessmen in Serbia will prefer a SRS government or something, anything else. No, I think that SPS will go where the money goes. If you know Dacic, it would be shocking to see anything else. How he will survive at the following election is another matter. Probably he will cross that bridge when he comes to it.

BTW we saw a clue of what may come to pass with Dragan Markovic's party. He is a part of the SPS coalition. Perhaps if PUPS decide to also side with 'European' ideals SPS might claim they were outvoted by their coalition partners and decide to back a DS government.

smile you have misunderstood. my intention isn't to persuade you to change your vote, its to describe what could well happen. perhaps its cynical and of course its dirty but its still preferable to a SRS government in my opinion, who of course will also be adopting every dirty tactic to maximise their chances.

And as for the fact that you say you have been mistaken in politics before - I am not in the least bit surprised. :)

Bosko

pre 16 godina

Kostunica is the man the west fears the most. His name is rubbished all over the media, yet his comments hit home more than any other politician I hear in Belgrade. I hope this is realized by all Serbs eligible to vote on May 11.