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Bulgaria opposes Kosovo partition

ivaylo Kalfin says Bulgaria decided to recognize Kosovo in order to ensure the entire region’s progress towards EU integration.

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Marco, Amsterdam

pre 16 godina

Marco,

Let's get things right. How can you have great expectations from Thaci (or any leader) when you are not accepting him as a leader? That is a simple logic! If you don't recognise Kosova's independence and its leadership don't expect or blame them. Please try to understand that. Then you take the responsibility! Thaci will never force anyone to stay in a democratic Kosova as well no one will be forced to leave Kosova.
(EA, 21 March 2008 18:49)

EA, it is okay for K-Albanians to violate human rights of Serbs just because they do not recognize Thaci as their leader? Man, that is a strange kind of logic....

nick

pre 16 godina

Dear another Canadian Serb,
I still did not get the answer, how do you see a Serbian democracy operating with close to two million Albanian citizens? (whose number is steadily increasing). In Canada you have ethnic quarrels too, but if 90% of Quebecoise vote for independence in the next referendum, what do you think will happen? In the past: "Bulgaria and Albania have been better allies." Yes,but there was a reason for it: in 1885 Serbia attacked Bulgaria without being provoked in any way. In 1913, after the Bulgarian armies defeated the bulwark of the Turkish army in front ot Istanbul, the Serbs refused to honor the agreement with Bulgaria signed the previous year which lead and that lead to the Second Balkan war, in which the Serbs ended on the winning side because of the unprovoked stab in the back in Bukagaria made by Romania. But that is all HISTORY, Look Western Europe.There the currant politics is not affected by factors such as: who faught on whose side in WWI. In the Balkans those divisions are still not overcome. The idea of EU is to turn old enemies into new friends. Serbs must get reconciled with Bulgarians, Hungarians, Craoats and yea, hard as it may seem with Albanians.

peter, sydney

pre 16 godina

""Thaci has promised that human rights of non-Albanians would improve substantially, but so far absolutely no progress has been made in this domain. Serbs in the south of Kosovo are still living in enclaves protected by foreign soldiers"

Marco,

Let's get things right. How can you have great expectations from Thaci (or any leader) when you are not accepting him as a leader? That is a simple logic! If you don't recognise Kosova's independence and its leadership don't expect or blame them. Please try to understand that. Then you take the responsibility! Thaci will never force anyone to stay in a democratic Kosova as well no one will be forced to leave Kosova.
(EA, 21 March 2008 18:49) "

By all means, let's get things right.

The english have an appropriate term which comes to mind when I look at your post.

It's 'Codswallop'.

I notice that you didn't even attempt to answer Marco's question.
Do so, or don't bother to 'quote' him.

And while I've got you attention, how about answering this question - with no attempts at misdirection.

What possible justification can K-albanians have for claiming the parts of Kosovo, in which serbs are a majority, and which are adjacent to Serbia proper?

And no spurious arguments referring to 'precedents being set' please - most would argue that such is hypocrisy coming from a supporter of the K-albanian UDI.

And bear in mind that the case of the citizens of Serbia north of the Ibar is different in any case.

In other cases, the 'would-be secessionists' are already part of an existing state AND have accepted membership in the existing state previously (either born there or nationalised).

Neither of these two criteria applies to the serbs in the north of Kosovo.

Repeating my question..

What possible justification can K-albanians have for claiming the parts of Kosovo, in which serbs are a majority, and which are adjacent to Serbia proper?

ahmed

pre 16 godina

Kosova,Bulgaria and Albania must build an alliance for the stabilisation of the Balkans. Bulgaria must help the two countries to become EU and NATO members.

EA

pre 16 godina

"Thaci has promised that human rights of non-Albanians would improve substantially, but so far absolutely no progress has been made in this domain. Serbs in the south of Kosovo are still living in enclaves protected by foreign soldiers"

Marco,

Let's get things right. How can you have great expectations from Thaci (or any leader) when you are not accepting him as a leader? That is a simple logic! If you don't recognise Kosova's independence and its leadership don't expect or blame them. Please try to understand that. Then you take the responsibility! Thaci will never force anyone to stay in a democratic Kosova as well no one will be forced to leave Kosova.

Nicholas Klinsman

pre 16 godina

That all sounds very nice Mr. Kalfin, but instead of worrying about North Kosovo's secession, why don't you concentrate your discussion on making the lives of Serbs in Kosovo better, and then you can add something about secession.

I agree that secessions and partitions are dangerous, but your govt has helped make that situation worse by recognizing the partition of Serbia.

Lastly, although Serbs have plenty in common with Bulgarians. The truth is Bulgaria and Albania have been better allies.

The reasons are simple. Tirana and Sofia both have more regional clout if Serbia is marginalised. Serbia must not let that happen and that's why I'm supporting Tadic and G-17. (although I can't vote in Serbian elections)

Also, both Albania and Bulgaria have their eyes set longterm on the same prize called Macedonia. 1/3 for the Albanians and 2/3 for the Bulgarians.

kufr

pre 16 godina

"If we make the same mistake now with the northern part of Kosovo in relation to Priština, then will press a very dangerous switch concerning the changing of borders"

Mr.Kalfin, it's too late now, the switch has already been turned. You Kalfin, helped to turn it by recognizing Kosovo. So don't come whining about the consequences now.

nick

pre 16 godina

Why the Serbs can't get reconciled with their neighbours? Couldn't there be wise politicians who would see independent Kosovo as a compromise between Serbs and Albanians. With both languages having official status, within all encoumpacing EU? How do you see it as part of Serbia. Suppose the Albanian majority agrees! They will have say 50-60 MPs in the Skupstina! Are you not affraid Serbia would turn into a bi-national state???

Marco, Amsterdam

pre 16 godina

Mr Kalfin said: "I think that Ahtisaari’s plan is very good in terms of protecting the Serbs and allowing them to protect their rights."

Mr. Kalfin, former guerilla leader Thaci has promised that human rights of non-Albanians would improve substantially, but so far absolutely no progress has been made in this domain. Serbs in the south of Kosovo are still living in enclaves protected by foreign soldiers. Seems to me Mr Kalfin that Thaci's promises are nothing but empty words.

EA

pre 16 godina

“Serbia’s European integration has nothing to do with Kosovo. Moreover, the EU does not want to do anything that would appear as if it were linking the Kosovo question with Serbia’s European integration,” he insisted.

I hope the Serbs will understand this messege very well when they go to the coming general election.

Another Canadian Serb

pre 16 godina

Nick,
why would 95% of the Albanian majority allow 5% of the Serbian minority any say. Are they just feeling gratuitous, or is there some guilt hidden agenda.
It is clear that the remaining Northern Kosovo Serbs do not wish to integrate with the Southern Kosovo Albanians.
What is so hard to understand?
I believe that the reason the international community does not want Kosovo partioned, is that partition would confirm ethnic cleansing against Serbs in Kosovo. The international community doesn't wish for that to be entered in history books.
Serbs and Albanians will never ever reconcile!
Let them separate!!!!

Another Canadian Serb

pre 16 godina

Dear Serbian citizens,
please do not accept these garbage statements that are being fed to you from neighbouring countries. Your neighbours' words are filled with strife. There is no one out there that is interested in your cause, but yourselves.
Do not forget your brothers and sisters in Kosovo, for they require your immediate help.

Another Canadian Serb

pre 16 godina

Dear Serbian citizens,
please do not accept these garbage statements that are being fed to you from neighbouring countries. Your neighbours' words are filled with strife. There is no one out there that is interested in your cause, but yourselves.
Do not forget your brothers and sisters in Kosovo, for they require your immediate help.

Marco, Amsterdam

pre 16 godina

Mr Kalfin said: "I think that Ahtisaari’s plan is very good in terms of protecting the Serbs and allowing them to protect their rights."

Mr. Kalfin, former guerilla leader Thaci has promised that human rights of non-Albanians would improve substantially, but so far absolutely no progress has been made in this domain. Serbs in the south of Kosovo are still living in enclaves protected by foreign soldiers. Seems to me Mr Kalfin that Thaci's promises are nothing but empty words.

Another Canadian Serb

pre 16 godina

Nick,
why would 95% of the Albanian majority allow 5% of the Serbian minority any say. Are they just feeling gratuitous, or is there some guilt hidden agenda.
It is clear that the remaining Northern Kosovo Serbs do not wish to integrate with the Southern Kosovo Albanians.
What is so hard to understand?
I believe that the reason the international community does not want Kosovo partioned, is that partition would confirm ethnic cleansing against Serbs in Kosovo. The international community doesn't wish for that to be entered in history books.
Serbs and Albanians will never ever reconcile!
Let them separate!!!!

Nicholas Klinsman

pre 16 godina

That all sounds very nice Mr. Kalfin, but instead of worrying about North Kosovo's secession, why don't you concentrate your discussion on making the lives of Serbs in Kosovo better, and then you can add something about secession.

I agree that secessions and partitions are dangerous, but your govt has helped make that situation worse by recognizing the partition of Serbia.

Lastly, although Serbs have plenty in common with Bulgarians. The truth is Bulgaria and Albania have been better allies.

The reasons are simple. Tirana and Sofia both have more regional clout if Serbia is marginalised. Serbia must not let that happen and that's why I'm supporting Tadic and G-17. (although I can't vote in Serbian elections)

Also, both Albania and Bulgaria have their eyes set longterm on the same prize called Macedonia. 1/3 for the Albanians and 2/3 for the Bulgarians.

kufr

pre 16 godina

"If we make the same mistake now with the northern part of Kosovo in relation to Priština, then will press a very dangerous switch concerning the changing of borders"

Mr.Kalfin, it's too late now, the switch has already been turned. You Kalfin, helped to turn it by recognizing Kosovo. So don't come whining about the consequences now.

peter, sydney

pre 16 godina

""Thaci has promised that human rights of non-Albanians would improve substantially, but so far absolutely no progress has been made in this domain. Serbs in the south of Kosovo are still living in enclaves protected by foreign soldiers"

Marco,

Let's get things right. How can you have great expectations from Thaci (or any leader) when you are not accepting him as a leader? That is a simple logic! If you don't recognise Kosova's independence and its leadership don't expect or blame them. Please try to understand that. Then you take the responsibility! Thaci will never force anyone to stay in a democratic Kosova as well no one will be forced to leave Kosova.
(EA, 21 March 2008 18:49) "

By all means, let's get things right.

The english have an appropriate term which comes to mind when I look at your post.

It's 'Codswallop'.

I notice that you didn't even attempt to answer Marco's question.
Do so, or don't bother to 'quote' him.

And while I've got you attention, how about answering this question - with no attempts at misdirection.

What possible justification can K-albanians have for claiming the parts of Kosovo, in which serbs are a majority, and which are adjacent to Serbia proper?

And no spurious arguments referring to 'precedents being set' please - most would argue that such is hypocrisy coming from a supporter of the K-albanian UDI.

And bear in mind that the case of the citizens of Serbia north of the Ibar is different in any case.

In other cases, the 'would-be secessionists' are already part of an existing state AND have accepted membership in the existing state previously (either born there or nationalised).

Neither of these two criteria applies to the serbs in the north of Kosovo.

Repeating my question..

What possible justification can K-albanians have for claiming the parts of Kosovo, in which serbs are a majority, and which are adjacent to Serbia proper?

Marco, Amsterdam

pre 16 godina

Marco,

Let's get things right. How can you have great expectations from Thaci (or any leader) when you are not accepting him as a leader? That is a simple logic! If you don't recognise Kosova's independence and its leadership don't expect or blame them. Please try to understand that. Then you take the responsibility! Thaci will never force anyone to stay in a democratic Kosova as well no one will be forced to leave Kosova.
(EA, 21 March 2008 18:49)

EA, it is okay for K-Albanians to violate human rights of Serbs just because they do not recognize Thaci as their leader? Man, that is a strange kind of logic....

EA

pre 16 godina

“Serbia’s European integration has nothing to do with Kosovo. Moreover, the EU does not want to do anything that would appear as if it were linking the Kosovo question with Serbia’s European integration,” he insisted.

I hope the Serbs will understand this messege very well when they go to the coming general election.

EA

pre 16 godina

"Thaci has promised that human rights of non-Albanians would improve substantially, but so far absolutely no progress has been made in this domain. Serbs in the south of Kosovo are still living in enclaves protected by foreign soldiers"

Marco,

Let's get things right. How can you have great expectations from Thaci (or any leader) when you are not accepting him as a leader? That is a simple logic! If you don't recognise Kosova's independence and its leadership don't expect or blame them. Please try to understand that. Then you take the responsibility! Thaci will never force anyone to stay in a democratic Kosova as well no one will be forced to leave Kosova.

ahmed

pre 16 godina

Kosova,Bulgaria and Albania must build an alliance for the stabilisation of the Balkans. Bulgaria must help the two countries to become EU and NATO members.

nick

pre 16 godina

Why the Serbs can't get reconciled with their neighbours? Couldn't there be wise politicians who would see independent Kosovo as a compromise between Serbs and Albanians. With both languages having official status, within all encoumpacing EU? How do you see it as part of Serbia. Suppose the Albanian majority agrees! They will have say 50-60 MPs in the Skupstina! Are you not affraid Serbia would turn into a bi-national state???

nick

pre 16 godina

Dear another Canadian Serb,
I still did not get the answer, how do you see a Serbian democracy operating with close to two million Albanian citizens? (whose number is steadily increasing). In Canada you have ethnic quarrels too, but if 90% of Quebecoise vote for independence in the next referendum, what do you think will happen? In the past: "Bulgaria and Albania have been better allies." Yes,but there was a reason for it: in 1885 Serbia attacked Bulgaria without being provoked in any way. In 1913, after the Bulgarian armies defeated the bulwark of the Turkish army in front ot Istanbul, the Serbs refused to honor the agreement with Bulgaria signed the previous year which lead and that lead to the Second Balkan war, in which the Serbs ended on the winning side because of the unprovoked stab in the back in Bukagaria made by Romania. But that is all HISTORY, Look Western Europe.There the currant politics is not affected by factors such as: who faught on whose side in WWI. In the Balkans those divisions are still not overcome. The idea of EU is to turn old enemies into new friends. Serbs must get reconciled with Bulgarians, Hungarians, Craoats and yea, hard as it may seem with Albanians.

nick

pre 16 godina

Why the Serbs can't get reconciled with their neighbours? Couldn't there be wise politicians who would see independent Kosovo as a compromise between Serbs and Albanians. With both languages having official status, within all encoumpacing EU? How do you see it as part of Serbia. Suppose the Albanian majority agrees! They will have say 50-60 MPs in the Skupstina! Are you not affraid Serbia would turn into a bi-national state???

ahmed

pre 16 godina

Kosova,Bulgaria and Albania must build an alliance for the stabilisation of the Balkans. Bulgaria must help the two countries to become EU and NATO members.

EA

pre 16 godina

“Serbia’s European integration has nothing to do with Kosovo. Moreover, the EU does not want to do anything that would appear as if it were linking the Kosovo question with Serbia’s European integration,” he insisted.

I hope the Serbs will understand this messege very well when they go to the coming general election.

EA

pre 16 godina

"Thaci has promised that human rights of non-Albanians would improve substantially, but so far absolutely no progress has been made in this domain. Serbs in the south of Kosovo are still living in enclaves protected by foreign soldiers"

Marco,

Let's get things right. How can you have great expectations from Thaci (or any leader) when you are not accepting him as a leader? That is a simple logic! If you don't recognise Kosova's independence and its leadership don't expect or blame them. Please try to understand that. Then you take the responsibility! Thaci will never force anyone to stay in a democratic Kosova as well no one will be forced to leave Kosova.

Another Canadian Serb

pre 16 godina

Dear Serbian citizens,
please do not accept these garbage statements that are being fed to you from neighbouring countries. Your neighbours' words are filled with strife. There is no one out there that is interested in your cause, but yourselves.
Do not forget your brothers and sisters in Kosovo, for they require your immediate help.

nick

pre 16 godina

Dear another Canadian Serb,
I still did not get the answer, how do you see a Serbian democracy operating with close to two million Albanian citizens? (whose number is steadily increasing). In Canada you have ethnic quarrels too, but if 90% of Quebecoise vote for independence in the next referendum, what do you think will happen? In the past: "Bulgaria and Albania have been better allies." Yes,but there was a reason for it: in 1885 Serbia attacked Bulgaria without being provoked in any way. In 1913, after the Bulgarian armies defeated the bulwark of the Turkish army in front ot Istanbul, the Serbs refused to honor the agreement with Bulgaria signed the previous year which lead and that lead to the Second Balkan war, in which the Serbs ended on the winning side because of the unprovoked stab in the back in Bukagaria made by Romania. But that is all HISTORY, Look Western Europe.There the currant politics is not affected by factors such as: who faught on whose side in WWI. In the Balkans those divisions are still not overcome. The idea of EU is to turn old enemies into new friends. Serbs must get reconciled with Bulgarians, Hungarians, Craoats and yea, hard as it may seem with Albanians.

Marco, Amsterdam

pre 16 godina

Mr Kalfin said: "I think that Ahtisaari’s plan is very good in terms of protecting the Serbs and allowing them to protect their rights."

Mr. Kalfin, former guerilla leader Thaci has promised that human rights of non-Albanians would improve substantially, but so far absolutely no progress has been made in this domain. Serbs in the south of Kosovo are still living in enclaves protected by foreign soldiers. Seems to me Mr Kalfin that Thaci's promises are nothing but empty words.

Another Canadian Serb

pre 16 godina

Nick,
why would 95% of the Albanian majority allow 5% of the Serbian minority any say. Are they just feeling gratuitous, or is there some guilt hidden agenda.
It is clear that the remaining Northern Kosovo Serbs do not wish to integrate with the Southern Kosovo Albanians.
What is so hard to understand?
I believe that the reason the international community does not want Kosovo partioned, is that partition would confirm ethnic cleansing against Serbs in Kosovo. The international community doesn't wish for that to be entered in history books.
Serbs and Albanians will never ever reconcile!
Let them separate!!!!

Nicholas Klinsman

pre 16 godina

That all sounds very nice Mr. Kalfin, but instead of worrying about North Kosovo's secession, why don't you concentrate your discussion on making the lives of Serbs in Kosovo better, and then you can add something about secession.

I agree that secessions and partitions are dangerous, but your govt has helped make that situation worse by recognizing the partition of Serbia.

Lastly, although Serbs have plenty in common with Bulgarians. The truth is Bulgaria and Albania have been better allies.

The reasons are simple. Tirana and Sofia both have more regional clout if Serbia is marginalised. Serbia must not let that happen and that's why I'm supporting Tadic and G-17. (although I can't vote in Serbian elections)

Also, both Albania and Bulgaria have their eyes set longterm on the same prize called Macedonia. 1/3 for the Albanians and 2/3 for the Bulgarians.

kufr

pre 16 godina

"If we make the same mistake now with the northern part of Kosovo in relation to Priština, then will press a very dangerous switch concerning the changing of borders"

Mr.Kalfin, it's too late now, the switch has already been turned. You Kalfin, helped to turn it by recognizing Kosovo. So don't come whining about the consequences now.

peter, sydney

pre 16 godina

""Thaci has promised that human rights of non-Albanians would improve substantially, but so far absolutely no progress has been made in this domain. Serbs in the south of Kosovo are still living in enclaves protected by foreign soldiers"

Marco,

Let's get things right. How can you have great expectations from Thaci (or any leader) when you are not accepting him as a leader? That is a simple logic! If you don't recognise Kosova's independence and its leadership don't expect or blame them. Please try to understand that. Then you take the responsibility! Thaci will never force anyone to stay in a democratic Kosova as well no one will be forced to leave Kosova.
(EA, 21 March 2008 18:49) "

By all means, let's get things right.

The english have an appropriate term which comes to mind when I look at your post.

It's 'Codswallop'.

I notice that you didn't even attempt to answer Marco's question.
Do so, or don't bother to 'quote' him.

And while I've got you attention, how about answering this question - with no attempts at misdirection.

What possible justification can K-albanians have for claiming the parts of Kosovo, in which serbs are a majority, and which are adjacent to Serbia proper?

And no spurious arguments referring to 'precedents being set' please - most would argue that such is hypocrisy coming from a supporter of the K-albanian UDI.

And bear in mind that the case of the citizens of Serbia north of the Ibar is different in any case.

In other cases, the 'would-be secessionists' are already part of an existing state AND have accepted membership in the existing state previously (either born there or nationalised).

Neither of these two criteria applies to the serbs in the north of Kosovo.

Repeating my question..

What possible justification can K-albanians have for claiming the parts of Kosovo, in which serbs are a majority, and which are adjacent to Serbia proper?

Marco, Amsterdam

pre 16 godina

Marco,

Let's get things right. How can you have great expectations from Thaci (or any leader) when you are not accepting him as a leader? That is a simple logic! If you don't recognise Kosova's independence and its leadership don't expect or blame them. Please try to understand that. Then you take the responsibility! Thaci will never force anyone to stay in a democratic Kosova as well no one will be forced to leave Kosova.
(EA, 21 March 2008 18:49)

EA, it is okay for K-Albanians to violate human rights of Serbs just because they do not recognize Thaci as their leader? Man, that is a strange kind of logic....