"Everybody knows what's going on there. We know very well where drugs, white meat and guns flow through in order to get into Europe," said member of Slovak government, stressing that Slovakia never vote in favour of Kosovo's independence.
"They are giving Kosovo to mafiosos, thugs, human and drug traffickers," he said, adding that Kosovo is home to one of the largest American military bases, including a secret prison similar to the one in Guantanamo Bay.
Karla del Ponte should have remembered such horror before she being off duty and just wishing to sell her book. She was 'thundering' against Serbia all the time. Now, she suddenly 'recovered' her memory?
American, European and Canadian readers here please link this story and send it to all media sources in your country. People outside the Balkans are not aware of these horrific events. It has not been carried by any of the American news sources. If enough media attention can be focused on this story a full and complete investigation will be conducted to uncover the truth and to bring those responsible to justice.
It also confirms what I always thought on the Hague so-called 'tribunal'. So they want us to believe that while this 'tribunal' can endlessly harass Serbia, it has no means to continue an investigation (and put pressure) on Albania?
I see some Serbs are salivating at the publication of these rumours. In their eyes the Albanians are already guilty so I'm not bothering replying to any comments. Some of them have suddenly become experts in human trafficking and are even lecturing the rest of us how humans are traficked.
B92 is just feeding the Serbs' sense of victimhood by publishing the artcile as a fact as opposed to a rumour.
albania has a problem with children trafficking,among roma families:but these children were brought to greece ,in a greek private hospital for the intervention ,not in albania.(a lawyer and a doctor have been arrested in greece for this)
But i do agree that the best way to prouve you that this is not true is for the kosovars to tell were the bodies of these missing serbsare .Then stories like this one will stop.
All albanians who know something must go and reveal what they know.We are free now and we must have the courage to reveal were the bodies of the missing person are,if we know. As a person whose uncle is a missing person,from a previous conflit,i do know how hard it is to cope with the death of a loved one without having knowing where he is burried ,without having a place to pay tribute.
i beg all of us,in serbia,in albania,in kosovo to reveal the burial places,as a gesture of humanity.
Organ trafficking is today a serious problem in Albania according to several reports written by UNICEF and ECPAT among many others.
If you deny this you let it happen!
STOP DENY. Instead REACT and make CHANGE!
HUMAN DEVELOPMENT CENTRE
VIOLENCE AGAINST CHILDREN IN ALBANIA
Tirana, 2006
http://www.unicef.org/albania/Violence_against_children_in_Albania.pdf
"The trafficking of children for purposes of labour and sexual exploitation and organ harvesting is one of the most acute problems to affect children in recent years. Such cases have often made the headlines, and several have been brought to justice."
Page 45
"The media in Albania has always covered the issue of violence against children. A lot of reporters have participated in training programmes on the appropriate way to cover stories involving the violation of human rights, particularly women and children. Stories of violence against children appear quite frequently in the media. These tend to focus on child trafficking, exploitation of labour, exploitation for prostitution, organ harvesting, and juvenile crime."
Page 84
JOINT EAST WEST RESEARCH PROJECT ON TRAFFICKING IN
CHILDREN FOR SEXUAL PURPOSES IN EUROPE:
THE SENDING COUNTRIES
ALBANIA REPORT
January 2004
http://www.ecpat.net/eng/Ecpat_inter/projects/promoting_law/East-West_Research-2004/Albania_ENG.pdf
"They took my soon for organ transplant"
Case 4 page 32
The working group for the development
of the National Youth Strategy worked
under the leadership and coordination of
Directory of Coordination
of Youth Policies
http://www.unicef.org/albania/National_Youth_Strategy.pdf
Human trafficking keeps on remaining a crucial problem for Albania. The transitional period has caused the emergence and the consolidation of organised crime that renders children and young people victims of prostitution, street work, organ transplantation, and other illegal services destined to the developed countries. According to a study carried out in the USA from the State Department, it is calculated that the human trafficking industry achieves 9 billion USD at a global level each year, a fact that demonstrates the existence of powerful forces and demand in the market for these services.
OK time for some perspective in this story.
Some 550 Serbs and unknown number of Roma disappeared in the period we are talking about.
In the book Del Ponte said that she needed the help of Albanian authorities to press charges, but the individual she co-operated with said that he didn't believe it happened and that if it did was glad it that it happened to Serbs. BTW I know that this view isn't typical of Albanians in Albania. Many Albanians in Albania don't feel strongly about Serbs one way or the other. But this is what Del Ponte wrote in her book. In any case it won't make a difference to Serbs or gypsies but if their organs were removed and they were killed in Albania proper it was likely to be a criminal thing rather than an ethnic thing - from the Albanian (not the Kosovo Albanian necessarily) perspective.
As for the legal response - we have our war crimes prosecutor saying that in theory if he could investigate and bring a case he could call Del Ponte to testify. This war crimes prosecutor Vukicevic has a good relationship with Del Ponte. According to reports I read today Tadic commented that his office will try to assist with resolving this case.
I have to say that I am disappointed that Serbian authorities did not investigate this case. Relatives of the disappeared say that rumours have been going round for years along these lines.
This case must be resolved, through a serious investigation. Above all at the level between Serbia and Albania - kind of tricky when we don't have diplomatic relations, but also through other channels.
Above all its about the relatives of the disappeared. Kosovo Albanians too have relatives who vanished, they should have some understanding for this.
No serbian doctor to comment about this news?
B92,i invite you in burrel and all the place around so that you unterstand how easy it is!
to serbs:and i would like to remind you that your army did put mines all around albania and in albania_300 deads in albania,mostly children due to theses mines up to now_
Do you believe that your army was not surveilling this frontier?
Do you believe that nato was not surveilling airplanes over the adriatic see? do you believe that customs in albania and italy_in case of a normal fly_ were not surveilling very carefully all the bagages and people coming from albania and going to albania?
Try to find a serbian doctor and ask him if a fielhopital can provide such an intervention without damage for the organ?
It is day one since this news was published from B92. There is not a single word or demand coming from Tadic, Jeremic, and Kostunica for this issue to be investigated. I am starting to really doubt the truthfulness of these accusations. I will wait a week for any kid of action from the Serbian leaders before I make my mind up about how true these accusations are. Very hard to believe the most ardent nationalists and patriots( by the standards of some people) such as Kostunica and Nikolic could just hush if they knew there was truth to it. Very Hard to believe the Helsinki Comete is just hushing about this. A few more days remaining for us to know the merits of these accusations.
while doing our research we have come upon a lot of different material, much of it not pretty, and not always supporting our so-called side.- roberto from san Francisco said
-As far as I know Roberto journalists should never have any sides. Have you heard of neutrality which is very important in journalism? After choosing a side you cannot be called journalist, nor researcher any longer since all your stories, researches can be considered as biased one. I no longer wonder how did you not come up with the at least partial truth (concerning both sides) when you already from the start choose to keep side. You even admitted of interviewing mostly Albanians. Well, there s the task for you, book the ticket and go to Albania to make some research. But please do not give up further investigation even if your life is jeopardized, and you can be sure it will be.
Furthermore, your accusations on the b92 for un-professionalism, questioning their integrity because they dared to speak up for the truth is really amusing part of your post. I hope that you realised that b92 did not come up with this story from own alleged sources and rumours but simply quoted the part of the book written by Carla Del Ponte who is btw.not considered as Serbia’s best friend and who certainly knows what she is talking about in that book. I don’t think Carla would dare to use own imaginations and make ridiculous allegations. So, as I said, book the ticket and good luck with your further research in Albania.
God help us, because that is the work of devil's children! And the man who did and order it is now ruling Kosovo!?
How much can you earn from 100.000 hearts and livers and 200.000 kidneys, mr. Tachi? I bet you already calculated it...
Oh well, they’re (Albanians) the biggest drug traffickers of heroine and cocaine in Europe and the US (transported through southern Italy). Also, the most prevalent in dealing and selling women from Eastern Europe for the sex slave industry – why not organs?? After all, its all about raising cash used to purchase militarily equipment to fund terrorists. I’m not surprised at all. All the KLA supporters are just plain pathetic with all their excuses. What’s a heart or set lungs worth to a wealthy western European? 250,000US a piece? Easy Money! Like leading cattle to the slaughter. They wouldn’t have seen the Serbs as humans just as potential revenue? Don’t worry payback will come.
The same propaganda was done by serbs back in 90s. They were saying that Albanians kill they fathers. Albanians kill each other. We serb police are not killing. WHY are Kosovars now not killing they parents or each other... I am from Albania and we do NOT have any hospital that do this kind of stuff....
First, the Hague investigators gave up further investigations, because there was not a slight prove that would lead them to the crime. Not worth it going further.
Second, according to the story during summer 1999, 300 Serbs were transported to Albania. Let’s assume that Nato could not control well the borders at the beginning of its mandate which started early June 1999. Where KLA hid those 300 hundred Serbs at the time when Kosovo was under strong control of Serbian Army and Police? If you say they killed them all it would have make more sense, but just trying to hide them at the time where KLA members had trouble to save their own lives and they could not protect their family members form Serbian forces, it is illogical.
And, finally, has there been a bit of information leaking out from hundreds of humanitarian organisation that have been helping in a region before and after the War in Kosovo? No. What about media? This would have been news that would have shaken the World, so every media would have competed in breaking it.
As far as Mladic, Karadzic and other Serbian criminals are concerned, I have no further comments. That should be a concern and moral of a Serbian Society who wants to be a part of a democratic world and build a better future for new generations. If you think with Mladch is better for you, keep him and maybe elect him for a prime minister of Serbia, because Kostunica has not shown good enough for the job.
Liri,
Canada
If this story is true, then definetly it should be thoroughly investigated and the people responsible brought to justice. However, I don't think there is or ever gonna be any evidence supporting these claims. I honestly can't beleive some of the posters here like brumsila, Another Canadian Serb, Ana etc. that are willing to beleive anything as long as it makes albanians some kind of monsters. It's people like you, that beleived anything your beloved Milosevic, and the RTS was reporting in the 90s without the benefit of the doubt that brought so many wars and despair on everyone including serbs. I'm sure that some KLA members did commit crimes against serbs and I'm all for bringing them to justice. But not all KLA members(just a few actually) were criminals as some serbs like to think. So stop with comments Thaqi this Thaqi that, when you or no one has any evidence that he was involved in crimes against serbs. Just being a member of KLA doesn't automatically make you a criminal or terrorist just like nobody thinks that all the members of serbian army commited crimes during the wars... They would have to commit an act of terrorism and or crime to be branded. At least KLA had people like Hajradinaj that face charges against them and put their people and their country before themselvs (unlike your heroes like Mladic etc).
Crimes like the one described here are not as easy to cover up as some of you here think. If a jurnalist(and you had a whole lot of international jurnalists in 99 in Kosovo and Albania) got wind of this it would be in headlines all over the world in a matter of hours because there's lots of money to be made for this kind of news (especially if government officials of a country are involved). I live in Canada, and Canadian, US, and most of EU jurnalists can't wait to report scandals involving government officials. If this crime was covered up as is described on this article, then governments would have had to been involved in the cover up. And it's just unrealistic that more then one governemnt(and high officials in Hague) would get involved in covering up this kind of heinous crime. If this is really described in her book, there's going to be a lot of heat on her and lots of other international officials on why they didn't investigate further. Do you really think if it was a cover up, the people involved in this cover up wouldn't attempt to assasinate Del Ponte by now?!!! Come on! So stop beleiving anything you read without having any sort of evidence other then word of mouth, because you're not doing yourself or anyone a favor.
Illegal organ trade is very profitable business, which exist all over the world.
USA for example blames China government for organ harvesting from executed prisoners in China, for details please see http://www.american.edu/TED/prisonorgans.htm
Or you can find it in USA as well: http://www.usatoday.com/money/2006-04-26-body-parts-cover-usat_x.htm
Or India:
http://www.american.edu/TED/KIDNEY.HTM
Or Albania:
http://humaniststudies.org/enews/?id=319&article=6
The excellent point was raised by last document.
If demand exist, it will be fulfilled.
Legal market does exist, but waiting lines are often to big. If somebody have money and he/she wants to live, demand exist.
And if money exist everything else is possible: organization, people, equipment.
The very strange part is that I in fact found more than one message by Albanians on different blogs and sites were the common line was "I cannot believe, but if that is true I am ashamed to be Albanian".
But they are the one that does not need to be ashamed of them selfs, because their reaction was a decent human reaction.
Which I cannot say for bunch of comments here from people they claim to be Albanians.
If anything, nobody can accuse Del Ponte of being a Serbian lover. Fat chance.
And yes, I do believe her. I do not want to believe that anybody can do such horrendous crimes against humanity, but if it is true I also want to hunt down everybody involved without any mercy. Not a single one of them deserves to live.
While this has the feel of some B movie horror flick it does happen. As another poster said India is high on the list for kidneys, some sold voluntarily others not. Do a google search for "illegal organ trade" and you will see there are alot of articles. While I am not a fan of the KLA I also find it hard to believe that this would be officialy sanctioned by the organization. The seems to be the work of a selct few KLA members and their mafia budies. All outin the name of money. for all the Albanians out there accept it and hope that one day these guys are caught and can spend the rest of their days in prison.
Brace yourselves!!! There will be plenty more to come out of Del Pontes book! Including accusations of Thaci's involvement in war crimes and how unmik stood by and let things happen as they were afraid of the concequences!
But regardless of what she has to say which is, too little too late.. shame on her for not doing her job!!!! I don't know how the albanian posters on here have the gall to suggest that the Thaci regime is in any way was innocent of crimes against Serbs and even his own people. Wake up and smell the bacon its right under your noses!!!
i cant belive in this
at first del ponte had to wait of publishing here new book,about the crimes,because it will make serbs "hard" to arrest mladic and karadzic
is this a present for kostunica to give those criminels to hague??
that can never be true..never
there is 3000 albanisna stillmissing,many say there were burn in some factories in serbia.but nobody know untill now anything.so dont hurry,time will show the truth
(b92 -- you needn't censor me this time, since at #87?? or so, no one in this entire universe will even bother to read me.)
This is one of the most disturbing things i've ever read on b-92, in my many years of DAIly browsing, and that's saying a lot! b92 has had its share of screaming, yellow-journalism style headlines, and ugly racist comments from various extremist posters, some of whom appear on a regular basis and are never (seemingly) censored. so yes, just like in the "real" world, there exists a great deal of distrust between the pro-democratic side v. b92 and an array of extremist voices.
having said that, i actually saw a notice of this story BEfore reading the piece on b-92. it was in much less detail and framed differently, but i did see it. and after all, b-92 is not making this up from whole cloth. this (supposedly) is coming fr carla. now what i think about that woman i cannot say here, because even this serbian website would refuse to print it. once upon a time i had hope and faith in her, but that was long, long ago. she is one, um, how shall i say it, "strange" lady. i cannot say if this story is true, i have no idea, nor can i say it is false. and i agree with some of your posters that to automatically deny the story is unreasonable. it has to be investigated, no matter how gruesome are the accusations. and the results must come out.
but not in some "tell-all" memoir, really i cannot say enough bad things about carla...
yes, there have been rumors about trafficking of human organs in the balkans. frankly the rumors i have heard have to do with serbia, and mostly from kosovar albanians interviewees. i have NO proof, nor have i ever mentioned it in this forum. but in our general research we have come across such accusations, and that is the truth. but no proof. there is also the notorious case of petar sutovic, details of which can be found at the Petar Sutovic website. it is too complicated to go into detail here and now, but it can be easily found with a web search.
i will just add one more point. my colleagues and i have been at work on a book about the former yugoslavia, where we have (so far) formally interviewed some 75 persons of different backgrounds and nationalities (including b92's Veran Matic) and many others less formally. you can ask veran if you don't believe me, but at any rate it would be a stupid lie on my part if it were not true, and i'm the one always yelling about speaking the truth. and that is my point here: while doing our research we have come upon a lot of different material, much of it not pretty, and not always supporting our so-called side. i had to make a decision, a painful decision, and stick to it -- if we find something that we believe to be true, we must write about it and include it in our work, regardless of how uneasy or insecure it makes us feel. that is a difficult decision, even for well-trained journalists, with integrity... so i will follow this story, and write about it, as best i can, and with as much integrity as i can. but hopefully in our book, it will be missing the screaming headlines, and accompanying venom.
sometimes reading b92 (and ensuing comments) reminds me of Tesla's famous line: Their hate could light up cities! he knew well of what he spoke.
Show me a single proof than I will jump in your side!!
(miri, 21 March 2008 15:30)
Am amazed and disgused by the complete denial pro Albanians poster including my favorite blind
Joe for something every body at least heard once!
Hearing that no facilities exist this kind of 'job' make me laugh and sick, like it is a normal business, like others very popular there per ex drug, arms and human trafficking. (For this most probably there also are no facilities!!!).
Of course Kostunica and co bought this story, like they bouth the official Swiss statistics stating that the drug and prostistution in Switzerland is controlled by K-Albanians.
Now for the readers not really knowing the background of Del Ponte, you can find a lot about her on internet, briefly:
1) prosecutor in her native swiss canton working with the italian judge Falcon to uncover the mafia cosa nostra connection in the swiss financial system (Falcon was murdered by the maffia, she escaped by miracle - maybe some regret it now..)
2)as a Swiss prosecutor she dealt with cases of money laundering, fraud, drug trafficking, arms smuggling, terrorism and espionage
3)ICTY and ICTR
In any of her job she never refrained to speak loud and of course politicians did not really appreciate it.
One common point in any of her job, as soon as she got closed to the real mentors, she was removed for 'taking too much liberty and interfering in politics'
With her various positions she certainly knows more than anyone else and that's why she has been on the 'target' list of many criminal groups!
I'm glad that she finally comes out with what she had to swallow for too long to cover some of the dirtiest happenings since WW2 and God bless her for her courage!
Hopefully this will give the courage to other people to start speaking!
When I read most of the pro and completely innocent albanian posters it reminds me those people saying that gaz chambers never existed, fairy tale like Joe would say!
Yes, nothing has been proven sofar but to many facts are converging to the same spot...
Hopefully her book will also finally uncover the truth about Mladic and co and the famous deal concluded between the americans and some of the war criminals still on the run...
One of my diplomat friend told me one day that a few years after indictments were made against Mladic and co, some of them were still freely circulating in front of KFOR H.Q. because of lack of political (Foreing) will to arrest them.
The pandora box is definitely open and it really stinks! You wanted your country, you got it, now you'll have to deal with your past, good luck!
I think this is a very possible truth since so many Albanians are upset and reacting.I have only two things to say: Am I shocked with this news? Totally. Am I surprised by this sort of action carried out by KLA? Not at all.
I have no words to express how horrified I am with this news.
I mean how can somebody do this to a human being, what kind of creatures did this butchering?Is Ottoman empire back to where it was?
"These two politicians have no weight on the international political seen. Nobody cares what Serbs have to say.
Why don't you ask Thaci for an inquiry. Or better yet, ask Carla, she is a heavy weight and will demand answers.
(Another Canadian Serb, 21 March 2008 21:53) "
On the contrary Mr. Jeremic requested an international investigation not once but twice because allegedly Serbs were beaten by the UN and KFOR personel. I personally believe that this accusations are graver than someone being beaten up, and the least Jeremic could do when we're talking about human lives is to ask for an immediate International Investigation not twice but two dozen times. That is the least he could do as a Serb, as a human being and as someone who prides himself of serving justice and international law. Any inaction by the Serbian leaders to such accusations only proves that these accusations are pure lies, fabrications and propaganda. We we'll see within these few days. If Kostunica, Jeremic or Tadic do not do anything in the next few days then this is nothing but some kind of hallucination. I as an Albanian want to know the truth, and I would believe any Serb leader would wan to know the truth and seriously investigate the issue if there is any hint of truth in it.
Kostanti Gregovic I posted the pictures of the trucks here on this site, taken from the NY Times. I can look for those again if you want me to. Also if you have been reading B92 you should know that one of the truck driver is testifying in front of a court on how they were transporting the bodies from Kosova/o to inside Serbia.
To smile,
“monsters!!!
say something!!!
(smile, 21 March 2008 15:03)”
First of all, referring to the comment above it tells us about your education and your capabilities to equally discuss on all matters by keeping the rules as B92 frequently repeats. Obviously B92 is neutral but not in ALL cases. The fact is that they published this kind of offence. Anyway….
It seems that all claims from Serbia & Co side here are based on some pieces of information taken from a book, and also some assumptions whether it could be done with or without doctor, whether it could be done from Albanians referring to some stories in UK or Ireland by much dedicated non serbs which express great concerns that it is true story 100 %. What is more important here!!! Gossips or arguments? Unfortunately Serbian side has gone so far to express condolences to the victims who don’t even exist while no true and logic analyze has been offered so far.
“According to those sources, there are unregistered mass graves with bodies of murdered Serbs in Albania”
Lets wait 4 April to see where are the mass graves, the truth for these presupposed victims. We Albanians expect to see the breaking news on this day which can be our punishment day according to you.
First of all there is not a single hospital in Albania who can carry an organ transplant surgery. The Albanians have got to travel to Italy for this sort of surgery. Simply the Albanians do not have this type of facility.
Second is impossible to claim that 300 Serb have been in prison in Albania, taken their organ and then release with not a single person coming forward.
We are talking about humans in here not animals. Regardless of their nationality or origins this claims are grotesque and monstrous.
(Ilir, 21 March 2008 16:05)
Let me understand what you're saying then - if someone in albania needs a liver transplant, unless they have the money to travel to Italy, they will die....
In the 21st century & with all the illegal activities the albanians brought to Kosovo - I find YOUR comment to be a bunch of malarchy.
Furthermore, this is VERY possible as the KLA is a classified terrorist group who will & would do anything to cause horror & chaos to a peaceful society.
You are correct, we are speaking of animals here - no further comment necessary.
Serbia you are really stretching the truth…. WOW you real have an imagination. Wait why don’t you say we are vampires no werewolf’s. OH MY GOD. God bless America.
Even the KLA as a terrorist organization could not be capable of such inhumanity and brutality.
The credibility of Del Ponte is absolutely zero especially with the prosecutors case against Slobodan Milosevic where the her case was unequivocaly destroyed piece by piece by Milosevic himself, a lawyer who has not practiced in decades.
Finally, the so called Freezer Truck story is another outright lie hatched by the media and any good standing Kosovo Albanian other than the KLA should discount that piece of propoganda also.
No wonder that a number of the witnesses have been jailed for making crazy allegations such as this and we also know where they come from. Of course Del Ponte will make such statement because if it wasn’t for such alarming claims, none of us would be commenting on here.
Regarding the truth or otherwise of this story I will just say that it would not surprise me at all if it proves to be true.
A few words about B92 based on the above posts:
According to Sidi "Kostunica has purchased B92". As far as I'm concerned, whoever "owns" B92 is doing a fine job. It is just a pleasure for me here in Western Europe to read news stories about Serbia in which the Serbs are not portrayed as mindless thugs intent on genocide. The coverage of the recent trouble in Mitrovica was disgraceful in both Irish and British media. So keep it up B92 and if people get upset, well, maybe it's time they did face their own demons.
RE Liri "One thing I know for sure is that such a thing never happened. But, very soon this amazing story is going to be forgotten by true stories about Serbian Government reluctance to collaborate with The Tribunal of The Hague to prison War Criminal fugitives such as Ratko Mladich and Radovan Karadjich."
For the first part of your quotation I can only reply: How do you know such thing never happened? Were you there?
For the second part of your quotation: I don't think that it will be a huge scandal about Kostunica and Co simply because everyone in Serbia and the world knows that Serbia has been reluctant to give away Mladic and Karadzic! That's why we still haven't signed the Stability and etc, part of the deal for the EU...
So you haven't really discovered America (as we like to say in Serbia) with this huge desire of yours for the world to know how we treat our war criminals...
But then again, we have sent quite a lot of them to The Hague (including Milosevic), some were captured and some even had the decency of surrending themselves...
Except Haradinaj, none of this can apply to you...
I am not surprised.
For those here who don't remember:
- regular vanishing of Yugoslavian soldiers in Kosovo since WWII
- during seventies and eighties by YU government silenced cases of Kosovo Albanian surgeons sterilizing Serbian boys and misconducting professionally with Serbian patients, miscarriages, ...etc.
- deliberate phenol poisoning of river Ibar...
list could be much longer
It comes as no surprise that the KLA and Albanians were low enough to do something like this. Those Albanians should be brought to justice and their detestable conduct brought before Europe as a show of who the EU is championing as "democrats".
you people, your point is that albania is so backward that they cant cut a body and take an organ out? does that mean that albanians can't use their thumbs to hold an instrument in their hands? what kind of a statement is that? but that seems to be what attempted refutal here is channeling down to. let me ask this again, carla del ponte lies, and proof that she lies is that albanians are saying, their country is such a backward place that no one there can cut a body open and take an organ out? there are no doctors there, and furthermore, they slaugher animals in their living rooms, not people?
it just physically hurts to read this. it's low, low, low.
Next will be 300 million serbs killed in the war. Man Albania does not hav ethe capabilities to perform organ transplant. Since harvest and transplant must be done in a certain amount of time traveling by truck would be didotic and the organs would die.
Leon wrote 'I have no doubt that this propaganda is coming from Mr Kostunica, he is clearly following Milosevic’s footsteps before Milosevic won his election in 1989. Someone should be held accountable for such claims and should be prosecuted because this is not doing any good to anyone. I know this isn’t true.'
You must really be in denial and what makes you think anything that Kostunica has to say would make its way into Del Ponte's book. You say these must be lies, yet it was the Albanian prosecutor who said that it was right to kill Serbs, how do you think it can ever be proven as truth with a prosecutor that possibly made from it.
EAGLE,
the Western world never lies and all that Carla writes is true. Remember, that the west promotes democracy and self rule. Oh yeah, honesty and integrity. Carla has no reason to lie.
All this anticipation is killing me. I can't wait to see Carla's movie version showing the truth about the Albanian contribution in Kosovo.
john,
Earth to Mars!
Why would state the following
"I as an Albanian ask from Jeremic and Kostunica to immediately press charges in the International Tribunal for this issue."
These two politicians have no weight on the international political seen. Nobody cares what Serbs have to say.
Why don't you ask Thaci for an inquiry. Or better yet, ask Carla, she is a heavy weight and will demand answers.
This is pure hysteria and lies. For starters, I don't think the Albanian health care facilities have the sofistication or have bothered to train the personnel necessary for harvesting, transporting, or performing transplants. I'm talking about Tirana here, let alone Burrel, in the middle of nowhere.
It is ironical that the criminals accuse others of being criminals. The refrigerator trucks full of murdered civilians were pulled out of river Danube and Belgrade airports, not out of Shkumbin and Rinas. Shame on B92 for fueling such ridiculous anti-Albanian hysteria in a population that is clearly very prone to believing this stuff.
Ilir, removing body organs is far easier than putting them in, especially if you have little concern for the patient, or in this case prisoner, you are taking it from.
And as for survivors I think the suggestion, with the talks of mass graves, is that there were none. The KLA sponsored doctors were said to have removed the organs and then the people were killed, which would also suggest that there was a lack of anasthetic used. I mean why waste expensive medicines if you don't care what happens to them and they will be killed anyway.
If you consider that Albanians are responsible for a lot of the people trafficking, the idea that they should take the organs from those they hate most and sell them for far more than they can get for a person, would make sense as barbaric as it is. I mean a single kidney would go for $10,000 or more on the world market and here you would get two from one person.
As hideous and barbaric as this sounds it all makes sense if you're of a sick enough mind.
As for proving it, difficult when the Albanian prosecutor agrees with killing Serbs, which was a factual comment!
This is something hard to believe. Personaly, I do not believe it at all. This is something against Albanian moral code. Carla Del Ponde is just a person who made things up so she can get something out of it, probably to sell her book.
In other hands if this is true which I find it hard to be true then this is wrong, very, very wrong.
B92, please, without facts do not publish these kind of things.
Personally, I find these allegations extremely difficult to believe.
First off, if there really were 300 Serbian victims, that would account for nearly all of the Serbian missing and I just find that implausible.
Secondly, the whole organ stealing network conspiracies were the flavor of the month for Urban Myths at the time Del Ponte was investigating this. None of these rumors of wide spread organ stealing were substantiated in even the least bit. These kinds of rumors were very common in poor third world countries.
In conclusion, I think the likelihood of this being true are very very slim, but I'm sure it will sell books!
"This is a complete LIE. Burrel is in the middle of nowhere; doesn't have the proper equipment to do this."
All the better to carry out these types of things with less witnesses.
All the equipment necessary, a surgeon, drugs etc. could be brought to a makeshift hospital. Then the organs packed in a cooler with preservative and shipped/flown off to hospitals.
They say they found a house there which shows evidence that organs were extracted.
This is an issue which touches the feeling of not only Serbian and Albanians but of all human beings. It is such a moment when everyone should be very objective because it is about human life. The Serbs are accusing us for inhumanity based on the book which if filled with such stories can not be nothing else than a thriller. Anyway let analyze the arguments given.
“We are checking some informal statements we obtained through operative work that, in 1999, two trucks carrying imprisoned Kosovo Serbs were sent to Albania,….. Kosovo Albanians had transferred 300 Serb and other non-Albanian hostages in trucks to northern Albania in the summer of 1999”
It is impossible to carry 300 persons in two trucks while the border was heavily controlled by Albanian police and military. Moreover in the summer of 1999 in Albania were hundred of thousand journalists which of course could have seen/heard something like that. Once again it is not about 3 persons but 300. Where did the trucks pass???? How can one travel from the border to the Burrel some hundred km without being noticed from no one??? It is naive and unbelievable to think that Albanian authorities could have allowed such a mass murder!!
“The office obtained information that UNMIK investigators and officials had received from groups of so-called reliable journalists”
These so-called reliable journalists didn’t make it public before. Why??? Is it not of very much importance to denounce the killing of 300 people!!!!! Of course it is very much important. In this way Albania could have been punished for the supporting of mass murder. But it didn’t happen.
“Afterwards, the organs, according to the sources, were sent abroad from Rinas airport near Tirana where they were used in transplantations for patients who had paid for it”
Rinas airport is the solely international airport in Albania. Therefore nothing can pass through it without knowledge of the highest police authorities. There is no fact to inculpate Albanian police as collaborators. How did they carry transplants???
“In its vicinity, investigators also found pieces of gauze, used syringes, two plastic IV solution bags, "petrified in mud", empty medicine bottles, including muscle relaxants used during surgeries.”
If the murder was well organized, the criminals would have demolished the house in order not to let any sign of the crime. Can a peasant be part of this??? Of course not if you pretend that the crime was carried out in full secrecy. It is about the people not about animals.
"There are no graves of Serbs here," the Albanian official said. "But, if they took the Serbs from the Kosovo border and killed them, they did the right thing"
I am very sorry but I haven’t heard any Albanian official to pronounce that „killing is the right thinks“ As Albanian I would fully object such statements which are against humanity. I am sure that all Albanians share the same meaning. Let the justice find out the truth.
Albanians, you will realize some day that all you´ve been told was a lie, just like the Germans had to learn after WWII.
and you will be those to be held responsible.
(Jovan, 21 March 2008 19:47)
and what about you Jovan???
The entire serbian political and military elite is in Hague- can't you understand the difference between a FACT not hypothesis??? where do you find the guts to pint a finger at others??
I don't understand what's to comment in this article?? it's nothing proven and it's the only news surce I did read such thing and,I mean why such a hurry of Serb camp to blame Albanians? prove it!!! these institutions (Hague) are free to investigate everywhere in Albania unlike in Serbia.
If these things happen to be true We're redy to take the blame for it and make sure these people get what they deserve,and We'll be the one apologizing for such horrible things....even Serbians didn't apologize for anything yet.
thanks.
I as an Albanian ask from Jeremic and Kostunica to immediately press charges in the International Tribunal for this issue. I as an Albanian request from Kostunica and Jeremic to immediately ask for an international investigation on this issue. These are big accusations and everything needs to clarified and brought to light. If indeed any of these things have happened the perpetrators need to be found and brought to justice. If neither Jeremic nor Kostunica do not take any actions with regards to these accusations within days from now, then we will all now that these are just lies and speculations. I would not believe for a moment that any Serb in the government would accept to remain quiet over such accusations if he/she knew there was some truth to them. Immediate action needs to be taken by Serbia if they believe these accusations hold truth in them. If no action is taken then this is just another fabrication and bad attempt at propaganda.
Lili Del Ponte wrote that these 'operations' were not carried out in a regular hospital. Of course its possible that such people could carry out this type of operations.
This hysterical denial makes you guys look guilty. Seriously, better that you remain silent than make yourself look as if you are covering up / condoning such disgusting activities.
Perhaps if this was an allegation from a Serbian tabloid you could deny it. But Del Ponte isn't exactly known as a friend of Serbs is she?
I expect at least a minimum level of humanity from people at this forum.
This is a complete LIE. Burrel is in the middle of nowhere; doesn't have the proper equipment to do this. What is TRUE is that more than 1000 Albanians are still missing, and no body knows where their bodies were dumped. Your government is deliberately doing this to increase the pain of our people.
llir #17: You are not getting it or you don't want to get it. Are you really wondering why victims wouldn't come forward? It's because they no longer exist.
As far as your lack of Albanian medical facilities excuse. Do you really think somethink like this would be done in a hospital?
I will have to repeat this again and I hope this time you leave to one side just for a few second your hate against the Albanians.
THERE IS NOT A SINGLE HOSPITAL IN ALBANIA WHO CARRIES THIS TYPE OF SURGERY.
It is total non sense thinking otherwise. There is not a single Albanian doctor who carries this type of surgery. Transplant of organs is not the same as replacing your rotten tooth. Use your common sense guys.
Someone claims that 300 Serbs got murder in Albania. Are you feeling well?
How can you murder 300 people and no one know about it? Are you telling me that the Serb government or the civilized world will just let this happen?
Are you aware what this mean? Yet again these are human we talking about, not farm animals. Humans do have names, family and belong to a country and a society.
I am not going to write anymore about this because it makes me sick and vomit the judgment of some guys here. I had seen them all now. It can’t get any worse than this premeditated misinformation! If this is not a hateful and nasty propaganda I don’t know what name to give it.
The facts that you are giving are very, very fragile...
We all know that trafficking with human organs is a very lucrative job all around the world this days...
Do you really think that this operations are donne in legal hospitals? And that it is impossible to transport the organs? Come on, don't be funny...Nowdays, EVERYTHING is possible if you have THE MONEY to pay for it...
An as for doctors, Mengele was a doctor wasn't he? And he did all those attrocities and not even for the money. Imagine now days, what people are ready to do for A LOT of money. Sadly, some of them are doctors who forget the vows they gave...
So all the excusses you give would be refused in any court, even in Albania (ofcourse, if you do not bribe the judge...)
I am very much in health my self, so what was your point I cannot really understand. What is the problem to have a surgeon, anaesthesiologist and possibly nurse (that does not have to be present necessarily)? All these kinds of surgeries can be performed in improvised facilities and every surgeon can perform detachment of an organ. I just hope that the victims were really anaesthetised during these inhuman acts. But, unfortunately, something tells me that perpetrators did not think about the victim’s pain and I fear that the victims were just suffering enough without opiates. All they were maybe given is hypnotic and muscle relaxant. But the one must know that that is not enough and that the pain still can be felt, therefore short acting opiates are always used during the surgeries. But why the monsters would think about it since the victims are brought over there to die any way.
In addition, the organs were transported by planes and again see no problem with that if the organs were kept adequately. I suppose there was always plane ready and available for these kinds of purposes. It is the organised crime that we are talking here and criminals involved in these types of crimes certainly do not lack the planes.
I'm sorry to say it but some of the Albanian response here to this story has been completely shameful. I expected better from some of you.
First of all this was an allegation from Karla Del Ponte, not from B92.
And the idea that Kostunica and Del Ponte are acting together on this is somehow is so ridiculous those that believe it must be completely stupid.
I tell you my position if I was an Albanian poster. 'I don't see any evidence for this, but if it is true I condemn it unreservedly'. That position could be the least you guys could adopt.
Do I need to tell you guys how to behave as normal human beings?
Is this why Serbian authorities were making pressure on Italy not to publish Carla De Ponte’s book?! This information would terrify Albanians in Kosovo, not Serbs in Belgrade. So, what was the reason to stop the publication of the book then? Fortunately, the book is coming up and we are going to be able to read more. One thing I know for sure is that such a thing never happened. But, very soon this amazing story is going to be forgotten by true stories about Serbian Government reluctance to collaborate with The Tribunal of The Hague to prison War Criminal fugitives such as Ratko Mladich and Radovan Karadjich. You cannot shift the attention that De Ponte has been drawing to Serbian War Criminals to some gossips about KLA. This is a real Serbian propaganda that never changes even after all the loses. But the World is aware of Serbian miracles, so don’t expect someone to believe these delusional claims. They are trying to sell this lie before the book is in our hands. Wait and watch is the best policy here.
Liri, Canada
What incentive does Del Ponte, who has not lifted one finger for Serb victims of war crimes, to lie about the KLA that the Hague has done nothing to prosecute?
The KLA supporters on this website will defend the indefensible, while whining incessantly about crimes that never occurred against them.
One thing serbian propaganda did work in 90 but now and after never and ever gonna work that is just a sick move from this people so that happen when in one country don't have a law otherwise you would get sued over this propaganda that much so other times you think twise before you say something ellse for insulting other's
I have heard rumours on many occasions that Albania is the hub for human organs trafficking and that many missing persons actually ended up in Albania for organs.
Hopefully the truth will come to the surface. I believe in these allegations and given the fact that allegations are made by someone who actually is not considered as friend of Serbia sounds more convincing.
However, I must say that after this new I got really upset and very, very sad. At first it made me vomit, and I just feel endlessly empty and sad. I cannot believe there is such monstrosity in this world. I hope for the justice and truly hope Albania and KLA leaders will be properly punished for these inhuman acts.
I pray for the innocent souls that had to undergo such horrific death. May their souls rest in peace.
I will curse perpetrators and all people (if they can be called people?) involved for the rest of my life
It's funny how the Albanian camp keeps telling us to stop living in the past. But it sure looks like some Albanians and the KLA are still living up to Ottoman leagacy. Not at all Suprised if this is true. And I wouldn't put it past Thaci and his terrorist KLA. KS, now that suprised me. llir, they were not released, the were murdered for their organs. Miri ,Elton, ben, BH_ NYC, Leon, niksala, Sidi, you know that the first step to realizing this is denial. We will see if it's true or not. My point is the you guys talk about how bad the Serbs are, you have no clue, or do you, on what Thaci and the KLA did to the Serb's. I also know of people that lived in Kosovo, and they also told me stories of what the KLA did to them and others. They also muderded people to gain this "independence" including Albanians that just wanted to work and live thier lives. Sooner or latter the truth about Thaci and the KLA will surface. What comes around goes around my friends.
The possibility that this is true is not so far fetched.
Procuring human organs in Albania for European trafficking is a well know fact.
Albania is often identified as a source country for organ trafficking by various international organizations.
According the American Medical Association, Albania is one of the countries identified as destination for the so-called “transplant tourism.”
The Organs Watch, a research and documentation center states that, "In the Middle East residents of the Gulf States (Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, and Oman) have for many years traveled to India, the Philippines, and to Eastern Europe to purchase kidneys made scarce locally due to local fundamentalist Islamic teachings that allow organ transplantation (to save a life), but prohibit organ harvesting from brain-dead bodies.
As disgusting as this topic is,there is a lot of money to be made in organ trafficking.
Instead of denying it, you need to educate yourselves about it and then speak out against it.
iam sorry to tell you that this is impossible:to take organs,you need at least a surgeon,an anesthesist,nurses,oxygene,sophisticated medical materiel! Have you ever been to burrel and its hospital? no of course,eithewise you will never have commented suchstupid thing;THEN have to bring organs in italy:do you know how is the road between rinas and burrel? no ,you will never have commented these stupidities!
do you know that you have a time limit for transplantation? no, otherwise you will not have commented these stupidities!
Madame del ponte needs to sell her book,so she needs a sensationnel information, that's all.
Because i would have nbeen very pleased that a transplantation can be done in burrel,but it is not the case!
This doubts coming from a high profile prosecutor like Del Ponte doesn;t make so much sense, on contrary raise ethical issues since she represents an institutions and a prosecutor is not allowed to draw conlusions based on assumptions. I have a clue why she is publishing such horrible things regardless the fact that this article is refereing to another article which is refering to the book. which means 3 processes of recycling. I will only have a clear idea when I will read the original because serbian media is the queen of taking out of context statements or passages. Nonetheless this article is horrible. Probably Del Ponte more than publishing a book based on crimes during the war in Former Yugoslavia is thinking to give a bestseller based in fiction. I won't be surprised if this book will be a movie soon. However this doesn;t make sense. Is not about denying a disaster and atrocities, is all about proofs... evidence... facts. Nothing just hypothesis enriched with numbers. Tell me a single witness, a single massgrave a single thing to make me believe that such horrible atrocities happened and I will appologize to my serbian colleges in this forum. But this is just invention that make us hate more each other. Del Ponte lost her job after she clearly failed to bring the butchers of the wars in ex-yugolsavia and punish them. Now is trying to be a writter exploiting her position and our emotions. This horrible. Ashame on Del Ponte
I very much doubt this is true. Why did they not say anything about this before if they knew all this time? Its not like they found any more evidence or facts and they decided to come clean! It sounds to elaborate and sick to go unnoticed and unpublicized.
Its a pathetic PR stunt against indepedence.
However, if evidence is found and its proved to be true, than all those resposible shoud be caught, tried and sent to jail for this potentialy sick crime.
Please B92 do not publish this kind of madness.
I’m an Albanian from Albania and find it sick and horrible that someone will come with such a sick scenario. I don’t care who is writing this or were your story come from.
First of all there is not a single hospital in Albania who can carry an organ transplant surgery. The Albanians have got to travel to Italy for this sort of surgery. Simply the Albanians do not have this type of facility.
Second is impossible to claim that 300 Serb have been in prison in Albania, taken their organ and then release with not a single person coming forward.
We are talking about humans in here not animals. Regardless of their nationality or origins this claims are grotesque and monstrous.
Last week Albania had exploding bombs and a surplus of ammunitions. This week they are selling Serbian organs for private operations in Albania. I can only imagine what is next to come in Kosovo.
Congratulations to the imperialists and puppet governments who recognized this fake and immoral state. Not only are they famous for having no economy besides heroin trafficking, human trafficking, but not organ trafficking as well! I am sure Condi and Bush are pround of supporting such people, people who keep Serbs in ghettos behind barbed wire, and then kidnap them as needed to cut out their organs and sell them. This is sick.
The truth is finally coming out and it will come back to hit thise countries square in the head, just like Vladimir Putin said.
We are forgetting one small detail here. While this article is all allegation, with no proof, the truckloads of Kosovo Albanian Bodies pulled from the Danube, and the mass graves at Batajnica police compound actually existed. This is a new low by B92, in posting sensational, unverifiable claims. I think that Kostunica has purchased B92.
I hope that this is not true, but if it is, it's the most horrific thing I've ever heard.
For all you Albanian posters out there I feel terrible for people Albanian, Serbian, Roma, and Gorani that suffered during the war. Being the grandson of a man who was taken from his home and never found again gives me a lot of sympathy on these issues for people who have suffered.
However, I don't see that from all the posters here. The Albanians posters have so far denied this. But there are still at least a couple thousand missing Serbs. Why can't you or your govt or help us find out what happened to them? There's no way that Thaci doesn't know.
The Serbian govt has been returning the remains of missing Albanians as well as prosecuting MUP members. As far as I'm aware of I haven't seen anything like that from the Albanians.
RE "This is some sickening claims. I feel ashamed that KLA is linked to such crimes. I personally would act on this issue if I knew that anyone would get involved in such horrific inhuman act. I have no doubt that this propaganda is coming from Mr Kostunica, he is clearly following Milosevic’s footsteps before Milosevic won his election in 1989. Someone should be held accountable for such claims and should be prosecuted because this is not doing any good to anyone. I know this isn’t true."
You obviously haven't heard that the Serbian government is trying to stop this book of being published! As for Kostunica's propaganda, I don't know if Kostunica hates Del Ponte more or it is viceversa...and you are obvioulsy not aware that Del Ponte is not a favorite person in Serbia as well.
As for the claim that you are ashamed that KLA is linked to such things. Well darling, you should be ashamed of many things done by the KLA. Start with the killings of fellow Albanians that did not want to get involved with KLA...
Last but not least, you say you know this is not true...so proove it! That should be easy...
Big fact that makes a difference between Serbs and Albanians:
Most Serbs have accepted the fact that a part of their nation commited attrocities against a lot of the ex YU nations. I for one, think that all the Serbs that have been pointed as suspects should go on trial and try and defend themselfs...WE sent Milosevic to THE Hague, even he did a lot of bad things to Serbs as well...
On the other hand we have ALBANIANS who think and are sure that not one single Albanian has ever commited any crime against anyone...They don't even want to admit that the KLA killed Albanians that refused to join the KLA and those Albanians were considered as traitors...You still worship Taci, Ceku, Haradinaj and Jasari (just to mention a few) even they are the worst of the criminals. And you still think Haradinaj is a saint even he is the only one who ended up in The Hague...
Considering the fact that after WWII between 5 and 10000 nazi's were given asilium in the US because the US needed some favours from them (against the communist, I mean what are 6 million slaughtered Jews compared to the communists, right?), there you've got an explanation on why Taci, Ceku and the rest are still free...
Regarding Madamme Del Ponte, it is now obvious, that once that she is not the Chief Prosecutor of the ICTY she can tell the truth. I can hardly wait to read her book, because I'm sure I'll find out of all the deals with the Serbian government on the Mladic case (and he should be at The Hague as well)...
And why this case of human organs trafficking was dropped? Probably because no one from UNMIK (and from the article of the other day we know why) wanted to help or were given orders not to help.
The Albanians should think of one thing: while most of you do not even have a job and live in really poor conditions, how does Taci live? And were does his money come from? Aren't you pissed that some of them live like kings but the mayority don't even have electricity 24 hours a day? This is what you should be worried about...
The more you defend them, the more we all know is that Del Ponte is right...
Here's what will happen. None of this will ever be proven, while on the other hand the Serbs will for centuries to come preach to their children about how their Albanian neighbours committed these horrific crimes and keep their hate against them (Albanians) ALIVE.
We’re used to hearing these kinds of hate tales by the Serbs, as for (Mike, 21 March 2008 14:32) – You are still learning.
"Describing detailed information she had on the matter, Del Ponte stated that detectives had had to give up on this case because further investigation had proved impossible"
To me, this sounds a little too “film noir”… something like “Soylent Green” (1973)?
However, based on my contacts with Balkan people, including here Albanians and my own fellows Romanians, I would say that we have a so talkative nature, that we cannot keep secrets. In short, whatever happens, sooner or later will end up on prime time TV :)
Also, given the Communist experience, where rumors where often more true than the “official truths”, Balkan people are very prone to such conspiracy theories… As a Romanian, I must say that each year I meet one countryman who thinks that Ceausescu is currently living just fine, somewhere in Cuba or China!
On the other hand, this kind of “commerce” with human organs, if exists, cannot be more lucrative, as one may think, than smuggling drugs, weapons, goods or prostitutes… something Albanian mafia has enough already.
But, if even one case is found to be true, then this would be catastrophic for Albania, in terms of image.
However, I am more interested what Ms. Del Ponte has to say about “hunting” Mladic and Karadzic… Is the book launched only in Italian? (my Latin is better than my Italian, shame on me :)
This is some sickening claims. I feel ashamed that KLA is linked to such crimes. I personally would act on this issue if I knew that anyone would get involved in such horrific inhuman act. I have no doubt that this propaganda is coming from Mr Kostunica, he is clearly following Milosevic’s footsteps before Milosevic won his election in 1989. Someone should be held accountable for such claims and should be prosecuted because this is not doing any good to anyone. I know this isn’t true.
Thanks to B92 for this report.
This was common knowledge in the balkans and young Serbian people were targeted, again just for being Serbian and thanks to PR machinery that had no shame.
Some sick mind profited in Bosnia and Kosovo and all under the watch of NATO and EU.
We`ll never forget.
I can't wait for the sequel on B92: "Hashim Thaci ate Serb babies for dinner".
Does the word "allegedly" exist in Serbian cause I don't see it anywhee in the title.
Keep up the good job.
The fact that this infamous serbophobe even dares to mention it is probably because this bubble is bigger than first suspected and will burst in her face sooner rather than later.
"had had to give up on this case because further investigation had proved impossible."
And it was impossible because I'm sure the Albanian government (from true Albania, now that we have two Albanias with help of the US) would not let the ICTY investigators anywhere near that house or the mass graves...And we all know the huge support that K Albania had an has from the True Albania...
Have you ever thought this is one of the reasons? No, of course not, the poor little Serbian girl that was stoned while she was playing in her garden in Kosovo was just a imagination of a small child, isn't it?
This could basically be the script for a Hollywood horror movie. If true, Albanians have a lot to explain, and even less ground to stand on with their self-perceived victimization narrative. This sick stuff is reminiscent of the punishments enacted by Ottoman Turks against Serbs in the 17th and 18th century, and here we're looking at the 20th and 21st.
And the article ends with: "Describing detailed information she had on the matter, Del Ponte stated that detectives had had to give up on this case because further investigation had proved impossible" - read: there is no proof whatsoever to confirm these claims, and this is another pathetic attempt to discredit the independence case.
Where was Mrs. de Ponte during all these years?
This could basically be the script for a Hollywood horror movie. If true, Albanians have a lot to explain, and even less ground to stand on with their self-perceived victimization narrative. This sick stuff is reminiscent of the punishments enacted by Ottoman Turks against Serbs in the 17th and 18th century, and here we're looking at the 20th and 21st.
Thanks to B92 for this report.
This was common knowledge in the balkans and young Serbian people were targeted, again just for being Serbian and thanks to PR machinery that had no shame.
Some sick mind profited in Bosnia and Kosovo and all under the watch of NATO and EU.
We`ll never forget.
Big fact that makes a difference between Serbs and Albanians:
Most Serbs have accepted the fact that a part of their nation commited attrocities against a lot of the ex YU nations. I for one, think that all the Serbs that have been pointed as suspects should go on trial and try and defend themselfs...WE sent Milosevic to THE Hague, even he did a lot of bad things to Serbs as well...
On the other hand we have ALBANIANS who think and are sure that not one single Albanian has ever commited any crime against anyone...They don't even want to admit that the KLA killed Albanians that refused to join the KLA and those Albanians were considered as traitors...You still worship Taci, Ceku, Haradinaj and Jasari (just to mention a few) even they are the worst of the criminals. And you still think Haradinaj is a saint even he is the only one who ended up in The Hague...
Considering the fact that after WWII between 5 and 10000 nazi's were given asilium in the US because the US needed some favours from them (against the communist, I mean what are 6 million slaughtered Jews compared to the communists, right?), there you've got an explanation on why Taci, Ceku and the rest are still free...
Regarding Madamme Del Ponte, it is now obvious, that once that she is not the Chief Prosecutor of the ICTY she can tell the truth. I can hardly wait to read her book, because I'm sure I'll find out of all the deals with the Serbian government on the Mladic case (and he should be at The Hague as well)...
And why this case of human organs trafficking was dropped? Probably because no one from UNMIK (and from the article of the other day we know why) wanted to help or were given orders not to help.
The Albanians should think of one thing: while most of you do not even have a job and live in really poor conditions, how does Taci live? And were does his money come from? Aren't you pissed that some of them live like kings but the mayority don't even have electricity 24 hours a day? This is what you should be worried about...
The more you defend them, the more we all know is that Del Ponte is right...
I hope that this is not true, but if it is, it's the most horrific thing I've ever heard.
For all you Albanian posters out there I feel terrible for people Albanian, Serbian, Roma, and Gorani that suffered during the war. Being the grandson of a man who was taken from his home and never found again gives me a lot of sympathy on these issues for people who have suffered.
However, I don't see that from all the posters here. The Albanians posters have so far denied this. But there are still at least a couple thousand missing Serbs. Why can't you or your govt or help us find out what happened to them? There's no way that Thaci doesn't know.
The Serbian govt has been returning the remains of missing Albanians as well as prosecuting MUP members. As far as I'm aware of I haven't seen anything like that from the Albanians.
"had had to give up on this case because further investigation had proved impossible."
And it was impossible because I'm sure the Albanian government (from true Albania, now that we have two Albanias with help of the US) would not let the ICTY investigators anywhere near that house or the mass graves...And we all know the huge support that K Albania had an has from the True Albania...
Have you ever thought this is one of the reasons? No, of course not, the poor little Serbian girl that was stoned while she was playing in her garden in Kosovo was just a imagination of a small child, isn't it?
The possibility that this is true is not so far fetched.
Procuring human organs in Albania for European trafficking is a well know fact.
Albania is often identified as a source country for organ trafficking by various international organizations.
According the American Medical Association, Albania is one of the countries identified as destination for the so-called “transplant tourism.”
The Organs Watch, a research and documentation center states that, "In the Middle East residents of the Gulf States (Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, and Oman) have for many years traveled to India, the Philippines, and to Eastern Europe to purchase kidneys made scarce locally due to local fundamentalist Islamic teachings that allow organ transplantation (to save a life), but prohibit organ harvesting from brain-dead bodies.
As disgusting as this topic is,there is a lot of money to be made in organ trafficking.
Instead of denying it, you need to educate yourselves about it and then speak out against it.
The fact that this infamous serbophobe even dares to mention it is probably because this bubble is bigger than first suspected and will burst in her face sooner rather than later.
What incentive does Del Ponte, who has not lifted one finger for Serb victims of war crimes, to lie about the KLA that the Hague has done nothing to prosecute?
The KLA supporters on this website will defend the indefensible, while whining incessantly about crimes that never occurred against them.
It's funny how the Albanian camp keeps telling us to stop living in the past. But it sure looks like some Albanians and the KLA are still living up to Ottoman leagacy. Not at all Suprised if this is true. And I wouldn't put it past Thaci and his terrorist KLA. KS, now that suprised me. llir, they were not released, the were murdered for their organs. Miri ,Elton, ben, BH_ NYC, Leon, niksala, Sidi, you know that the first step to realizing this is denial. We will see if it's true or not. My point is the you guys talk about how bad the Serbs are, you have no clue, or do you, on what Thaci and the KLA did to the Serb's. I also know of people that lived in Kosovo, and they also told me stories of what the KLA did to them and others. They also muderded people to gain this "independence" including Albanians that just wanted to work and live thier lives. Sooner or latter the truth about Thaci and the KLA will surface. What comes around goes around my friends.
Congratulations to the imperialists and puppet governments who recognized this fake and immoral state. Not only are they famous for having no economy besides heroin trafficking, human trafficking, but not organ trafficking as well! I am sure Condi and Bush are pround of supporting such people, people who keep Serbs in ghettos behind barbed wire, and then kidnap them as needed to cut out their organs and sell them. This is sick.
The truth is finally coming out and it will come back to hit thise countries square in the head, just like Vladimir Putin said.
llir #17: You are not getting it or you don't want to get it. Are you really wondering why victims wouldn't come forward? It's because they no longer exist.
As far as your lack of Albanian medical facilities excuse. Do you really think somethink like this would be done in a hospital?
I have heard rumours on many occasions that Albania is the hub for human organs trafficking and that many missing persons actually ended up in Albania for organs.
Hopefully the truth will come to the surface. I believe in these allegations and given the fact that allegations are made by someone who actually is not considered as friend of Serbia sounds more convincing.
However, I must say that after this new I got really upset and very, very sad. At first it made me vomit, and I just feel endlessly empty and sad. I cannot believe there is such monstrosity in this world. I hope for the justice and truly hope Albania and KLA leaders will be properly punished for these inhuman acts.
I pray for the innocent souls that had to undergo such horrific death. May their souls rest in peace.
I will curse perpetrators and all people (if they can be called people?) involved for the rest of my life
Last week Albania had exploding bombs and a surplus of ammunitions. This week they are selling Serbian organs for private operations in Albania. I can only imagine what is next to come in Kosovo.
Regarding the truth or otherwise of this story I will just say that it would not surprise me at all if it proves to be true.
A few words about B92 based on the above posts:
According to Sidi "Kostunica has purchased B92". As far as I'm concerned, whoever "owns" B92 is doing a fine job. It is just a pleasure for me here in Western Europe to read news stories about Serbia in which the Serbs are not portrayed as mindless thugs intent on genocide. The coverage of the recent trouble in Mitrovica was disgraceful in both Irish and British media. So keep it up B92 and if people get upset, well, maybe it's time they did face their own demons.
And the article ends with: "Describing detailed information she had on the matter, Del Ponte stated that detectives had had to give up on this case because further investigation had proved impossible" - read: there is no proof whatsoever to confirm these claims, and this is another pathetic attempt to discredit the independence case.
Where was Mrs. de Ponte during all these years?
I'm sorry to say it but some of the Albanian response here to this story has been completely shameful. I expected better from some of you.
First of all this was an allegation from Karla Del Ponte, not from B92.
And the idea that Kostunica and Del Ponte are acting together on this is somehow is so ridiculous those that believe it must be completely stupid.
I tell you my position if I was an Albanian poster. 'I don't see any evidence for this, but if it is true I condemn it unreservedly'. That position could be the least you guys could adopt.
Do I need to tell you guys how to behave as normal human beings?
I am very much in health my self, so what was your point I cannot really understand. What is the problem to have a surgeon, anaesthesiologist and possibly nurse (that does not have to be present necessarily)? All these kinds of surgeries can be performed in improvised facilities and every surgeon can perform detachment of an organ. I just hope that the victims were really anaesthetised during these inhuman acts. But, unfortunately, something tells me that perpetrators did not think about the victim’s pain and I fear that the victims were just suffering enough without opiates. All they were maybe given is hypnotic and muscle relaxant. But the one must know that that is not enough and that the pain still can be felt, therefore short acting opiates are always used during the surgeries. But why the monsters would think about it since the victims are brought over there to die any way.
In addition, the organs were transported by planes and again see no problem with that if the organs were kept adequately. I suppose there was always plane ready and available for these kinds of purposes. It is the organised crime that we are talking here and criminals involved in these types of crimes certainly do not lack the planes.
God help us, because that is the work of devil's children! And the man who did and order it is now ruling Kosovo!?
How much can you earn from 100.000 hearts and livers and 200.000 kidneys, mr. Tachi? I bet you already calculated it...
Oh well, they’re (Albanians) the biggest drug traffickers of heroine and cocaine in Europe and the US (transported through southern Italy). Also, the most prevalent in dealing and selling women from Eastern Europe for the sex slave industry – why not organs?? After all, its all about raising cash used to purchase militarily equipment to fund terrorists. I’m not surprised at all. All the KLA supporters are just plain pathetic with all their excuses. What’s a heart or set lungs worth to a wealthy western European? 250,000US a piece? Easy Money! Like leading cattle to the slaughter. They wouldn’t have seen the Serbs as humans just as potential revenue? Don’t worry payback will come.
RE "This is some sickening claims. I feel ashamed that KLA is linked to such crimes. I personally would act on this issue if I knew that anyone would get involved in such horrific inhuman act. I have no doubt that this propaganda is coming from Mr Kostunica, he is clearly following Milosevic’s footsteps before Milosevic won his election in 1989. Someone should be held accountable for such claims and should be prosecuted because this is not doing any good to anyone. I know this isn’t true."
You obviously haven't heard that the Serbian government is trying to stop this book of being published! As for Kostunica's propaganda, I don't know if Kostunica hates Del Ponte more or it is viceversa...and you are obvioulsy not aware that Del Ponte is not a favorite person in Serbia as well.
As for the claim that you are ashamed that KLA is linked to such things. Well darling, you should be ashamed of many things done by the KLA. Start with the killings of fellow Albanians that did not want to get involved with KLA...
Last but not least, you say you know this is not true...so proove it! That should be easy...
The facts that you are giving are very, very fragile...
We all know that trafficking with human organs is a very lucrative job all around the world this days...
Do you really think that this operations are donne in legal hospitals? And that it is impossible to transport the organs? Come on, don't be funny...Nowdays, EVERYTHING is possible if you have THE MONEY to pay for it...
An as for doctors, Mengele was a doctor wasn't he? And he did all those attrocities and not even for the money. Imagine now days, what people are ready to do for A LOT of money. Sadly, some of them are doctors who forget the vows they gave...
So all the excusses you give would be refused in any court, even in Albania (ofcourse, if you do not bribe the judge...)
I am not surprised.
For those here who don't remember:
- regular vanishing of Yugoslavian soldiers in Kosovo since WWII
- during seventies and eighties by YU government silenced cases of Kosovo Albanian surgeons sterilizing Serbian boys and misconducting professionally with Serbian patients, miscarriages, ...etc.
- deliberate phenol poisoning of river Ibar...
list could be much longer
It comes as no surprise that the KLA and Albanians were low enough to do something like this. Those Albanians should be brought to justice and their detestable conduct brought before Europe as a show of who the EU is championing as "democrats".
Illegal organ trade is very profitable business, which exist all over the world.
USA for example blames China government for organ harvesting from executed prisoners in China, for details please see http://www.american.edu/TED/prisonorgans.htm
Or you can find it in USA as well: http://www.usatoday.com/money/2006-04-26-body-parts-cover-usat_x.htm
Or India:
http://www.american.edu/TED/KIDNEY.HTM
Or Albania:
http://humaniststudies.org/enews/?id=319&article=6
The excellent point was raised by last document.
If demand exist, it will be fulfilled.
Legal market does exist, but waiting lines are often to big. If somebody have money and he/she wants to live, demand exist.
And if money exist everything else is possible: organization, people, equipment.
The very strange part is that I in fact found more than one message by Albanians on different blogs and sites were the common line was "I cannot believe, but if that is true I am ashamed to be Albanian".
But they are the one that does not need to be ashamed of them selfs, because their reaction was a decent human reaction.
Which I cannot say for bunch of comments here from people they claim to be Albanians.
If anything, nobody can accuse Del Ponte of being a Serbian lover. Fat chance.
And yes, I do believe her. I do not want to believe that anybody can do such horrendous crimes against humanity, but if it is true I also want to hunt down everybody involved without any mercy. Not a single one of them deserves to live.
Ilir, removing body organs is far easier than putting them in, especially if you have little concern for the patient, or in this case prisoner, you are taking it from.
And as for survivors I think the suggestion, with the talks of mass graves, is that there were none. The KLA sponsored doctors were said to have removed the organs and then the people were killed, which would also suggest that there was a lack of anasthetic used. I mean why waste expensive medicines if you don't care what happens to them and they will be killed anyway.
If you consider that Albanians are responsible for a lot of the people trafficking, the idea that they should take the organs from those they hate most and sell them for far more than they can get for a person, would make sense as barbaric as it is. I mean a single kidney would go for $10,000 or more on the world market and here you would get two from one person.
As hideous and barbaric as this sounds it all makes sense if you're of a sick enough mind.
As for proving it, difficult when the Albanian prosecutor agrees with killing Serbs, which was a factual comment!
you people, your point is that albania is so backward that they cant cut a body and take an organ out? does that mean that albanians can't use their thumbs to hold an instrument in their hands? what kind of a statement is that? but that seems to be what attempted refutal here is channeling down to. let me ask this again, carla del ponte lies, and proof that she lies is that albanians are saying, their country is such a backward place that no one there can cut a body open and take an organ out? there are no doctors there, and furthermore, they slaugher animals in their living rooms, not people?
it just physically hurts to read this. it's low, low, low.
I can't wait for the sequel on B92: "Hashim Thaci ate Serb babies for dinner".
Does the word "allegedly" exist in Serbian cause I don't see it anywhee in the title.
Keep up the good job.
Lili Del Ponte wrote that these 'operations' were not carried out in a regular hospital. Of course its possible that such people could carry out this type of operations.
This hysterical denial makes you guys look guilty. Seriously, better that you remain silent than make yourself look as if you are covering up / condoning such disgusting activities.
Perhaps if this was an allegation from a Serbian tabloid you could deny it. But Del Ponte isn't exactly known as a friend of Serbs is she?
I expect at least a minimum level of humanity from people at this forum.
EAGLE,
the Western world never lies and all that Carla writes is true. Remember, that the west promotes democracy and self rule. Oh yeah, honesty and integrity. Carla has no reason to lie.
All this anticipation is killing me. I can't wait to see Carla's movie version showing the truth about the Albanian contribution in Kosovo.
john,
Earth to Mars!
Why would state the following
"I as an Albanian ask from Jeremic and Kostunica to immediately press charges in the International Tribunal for this issue."
These two politicians have no weight on the international political seen. Nobody cares what Serbs have to say.
Why don't you ask Thaci for an inquiry. Or better yet, ask Carla, she is a heavy weight and will demand answers.
To me, this sounds a little too “film noir”… something like “Soylent Green” (1973)?
However, based on my contacts with Balkan people, including here Albanians and my own fellows Romanians, I would say that we have a so talkative nature, that we cannot keep secrets. In short, whatever happens, sooner or later will end up on prime time TV :)
Also, given the Communist experience, where rumors where often more true than the “official truths”, Balkan people are very prone to such conspiracy theories… As a Romanian, I must say that each year I meet one countryman who thinks that Ceausescu is currently living just fine, somewhere in Cuba or China!
On the other hand, this kind of “commerce” with human organs, if exists, cannot be more lucrative, as one may think, than smuggling drugs, weapons, goods or prostitutes… something Albanian mafia has enough already.
But, if even one case is found to be true, then this would be catastrophic for Albania, in terms of image.
However, I am more interested what Ms. Del Ponte has to say about “hunting” Mladic and Karadzic… Is the book launched only in Italian? (my Latin is better than my Italian, shame on me :)
Brace yourselves!!! There will be plenty more to come out of Del Pontes book! Including accusations of Thaci's involvement in war crimes and how unmik stood by and let things happen as they were afraid of the concequences!
But regardless of what she has to say which is, too little too late.. shame on her for not doing her job!!!! I don't know how the albanian posters on here have the gall to suggest that the Thaci regime is in any way was innocent of crimes against Serbs and even his own people. Wake up and smell the bacon its right under your noses!!!
Leon wrote 'I have no doubt that this propaganda is coming from Mr Kostunica, he is clearly following Milosevic’s footsteps before Milosevic won his election in 1989. Someone should be held accountable for such claims and should be prosecuted because this is not doing any good to anyone. I know this isn’t true.'
You must really be in denial and what makes you think anything that Kostunica has to say would make its way into Del Ponte's book. You say these must be lies, yet it was the Albanian prosecutor who said that it was right to kill Serbs, how do you think it can ever be proven as truth with a prosecutor that possibly made from it.
Show me a single proof than I will jump in your side!!
(miri, 21 March 2008 15:30)
Am amazed and disgused by the complete denial pro Albanians poster including my favorite blind
Joe for something every body at least heard once!
Hearing that no facilities exist this kind of 'job' make me laugh and sick, like it is a normal business, like others very popular there per ex drug, arms and human trafficking. (For this most probably there also are no facilities!!!).
Of course Kostunica and co bought this story, like they bouth the official Swiss statistics stating that the drug and prostistution in Switzerland is controlled by K-Albanians.
Now for the readers not really knowing the background of Del Ponte, you can find a lot about her on internet, briefly:
1) prosecutor in her native swiss canton working with the italian judge Falcon to uncover the mafia cosa nostra connection in the swiss financial system (Falcon was murdered by the maffia, she escaped by miracle - maybe some regret it now..)
2)as a Swiss prosecutor she dealt with cases of money laundering, fraud, drug trafficking, arms smuggling, terrorism and espionage
3)ICTY and ICTR
In any of her job she never refrained to speak loud and of course politicians did not really appreciate it.
One common point in any of her job, as soon as she got closed to the real mentors, she was removed for 'taking too much liberty and interfering in politics'
With her various positions she certainly knows more than anyone else and that's why she has been on the 'target' list of many criminal groups!
I'm glad that she finally comes out with what she had to swallow for too long to cover some of the dirtiest happenings since WW2 and God bless her for her courage!
Hopefully this will give the courage to other people to start speaking!
When I read most of the pro and completely innocent albanian posters it reminds me those people saying that gaz chambers never existed, fairy tale like Joe would say!
Yes, nothing has been proven sofar but to many facts are converging to the same spot...
Hopefully her book will also finally uncover the truth about Mladic and co and the famous deal concluded between the americans and some of the war criminals still on the run...
One of my diplomat friend told me one day that a few years after indictments were made against Mladic and co, some of them were still freely circulating in front of KFOR H.Q. because of lack of political (Foreing) will to arrest them.
The pandora box is definitely open and it really stinks! You wanted your country, you got it, now you'll have to deal with your past, good luck!
I think this is a very possible truth since so many Albanians are upset and reacting.I have only two things to say: Am I shocked with this news? Totally. Am I surprised by this sort of action carried out by KLA? Not at all.
I have no words to express how horrified I am with this news.
I mean how can somebody do this to a human being, what kind of creatures did this butchering?Is Ottoman empire back to where it was?
Please B92 do not publish this kind of madness.
I’m an Albanian from Albania and find it sick and horrible that someone will come with such a sick scenario. I don’t care who is writing this or were your story come from.
First of all there is not a single hospital in Albania who can carry an organ transplant surgery. The Albanians have got to travel to Italy for this sort of surgery. Simply the Albanians do not have this type of facility.
Second is impossible to claim that 300 Serb have been in prison in Albania, taken their organ and then release with not a single person coming forward.
We are talking about humans in here not animals. Regardless of their nationality or origins this claims are grotesque and monstrous.
RE Liri "One thing I know for sure is that such a thing never happened. But, very soon this amazing story is going to be forgotten by true stories about Serbian Government reluctance to collaborate with The Tribunal of The Hague to prison War Criminal fugitives such as Ratko Mladich and Radovan Karadjich."
For the first part of your quotation I can only reply: How do you know such thing never happened? Were you there?
For the second part of your quotation: I don't think that it will be a huge scandal about Kostunica and Co simply because everyone in Serbia and the world knows that Serbia has been reluctant to give away Mladic and Karadzic! That's why we still haven't signed the Stability and etc, part of the deal for the EU...
So you haven't really discovered America (as we like to say in Serbia) with this huge desire of yours for the world to know how we treat our war criminals...
But then again, we have sent quite a lot of them to The Hague (including Milosevic), some were captured and some even had the decency of surrending themselves...
Except Haradinaj, none of this can apply to you...
First of all there is not a single hospital in Albania who can carry an organ transplant surgery. The Albanians have got to travel to Italy for this sort of surgery. Simply the Albanians do not have this type of facility.
Second is impossible to claim that 300 Serb have been in prison in Albania, taken their organ and then release with not a single person coming forward.
We are talking about humans in here not animals. Regardless of their nationality or origins this claims are grotesque and monstrous.
(Ilir, 21 March 2008 16:05)
Let me understand what you're saying then - if someone in albania needs a liver transplant, unless they have the money to travel to Italy, they will die....
In the 21st century & with all the illegal activities the albanians brought to Kosovo - I find YOUR comment to be a bunch of malarchy.
Furthermore, this is VERY possible as the KLA is a classified terrorist group who will & would do anything to cause horror & chaos to a peaceful society.
You are correct, we are speaking of animals here - no further comment necessary.
"This is a complete LIE. Burrel is in the middle of nowhere; doesn't have the proper equipment to do this."
All the better to carry out these types of things with less witnesses.
All the equipment necessary, a surgeon, drugs etc. could be brought to a makeshift hospital. Then the organs packed in a cooler with preservative and shipped/flown off to hospitals.
They say they found a house there which shows evidence that organs were extracted.
American, European and Canadian readers here please link this story and send it to all media sources in your country. People outside the Balkans are not aware of these horrific events. It has not been carried by any of the American news sources. If enough media attention can be focused on this story a full and complete investigation will be conducted to uncover the truth and to bring those responsible to justice.
I as an Albanian ask from Jeremic and Kostunica to immediately press charges in the International Tribunal for this issue. I as an Albanian request from Kostunica and Jeremic to immediately ask for an international investigation on this issue. These are big accusations and everything needs to clarified and brought to light. If indeed any of these things have happened the perpetrators need to be found and brought to justice. If neither Jeremic nor Kostunica do not take any actions with regards to these accusations within days from now, then we will all now that these are just lies and speculations. I would not believe for a moment that any Serb in the government would accept to remain quiet over such accusations if he/she knew there was some truth to them. Immediate action needs to be taken by Serbia if they believe these accusations hold truth in them. If no action is taken then this is just another fabrication and bad attempt at propaganda.
Even the KLA as a terrorist organization could not be capable of such inhumanity and brutality.
The credibility of Del Ponte is absolutely zero especially with the prosecutors case against Slobodan Milosevic where the her case was unequivocaly destroyed piece by piece by Milosevic himself, a lawyer who has not practiced in decades.
Finally, the so called Freezer Truck story is another outright lie hatched by the media and any good standing Kosovo Albanian other than the KLA should discount that piece of propoganda also.
while doing our research we have come upon a lot of different material, much of it not pretty, and not always supporting our so-called side.- roberto from san Francisco said
-As far as I know Roberto journalists should never have any sides. Have you heard of neutrality which is very important in journalism? After choosing a side you cannot be called journalist, nor researcher any longer since all your stories, researches can be considered as biased one. I no longer wonder how did you not come up with the at least partial truth (concerning both sides) when you already from the start choose to keep side. You even admitted of interviewing mostly Albanians. Well, there s the task for you, book the ticket and go to Albania to make some research. But please do not give up further investigation even if your life is jeopardized, and you can be sure it will be.
Furthermore, your accusations on the b92 for un-professionalism, questioning their integrity because they dared to speak up for the truth is really amusing part of your post. I hope that you realised that b92 did not come up with this story from own alleged sources and rumours but simply quoted the part of the book written by Carla Del Ponte who is btw.not considered as Serbia’s best friend and who certainly knows what she is talking about in that book. I don’t think Carla would dare to use own imaginations and make ridiculous allegations. So, as I said, book the ticket and good luck with your further research in Albania.
"Describing detailed information she had on the matter, Del Ponte stated that detectives had had to give up on this case because further investigation had proved impossible"
I very much doubt this is true. Why did they not say anything about this before if they knew all this time? Its not like they found any more evidence or facts and they decided to come clean! It sounds to elaborate and sick to go unnoticed and unpublicized.
Its a pathetic PR stunt against indepedence.
However, if evidence is found and its proved to be true, than all those resposible shoud be caught, tried and sent to jail for this potentialy sick crime.
We are forgetting one small detail here. While this article is all allegation, with no proof, the truckloads of Kosovo Albanian Bodies pulled from the Danube, and the mass graves at Batajnica police compound actually existed. This is a new low by B92, in posting sensational, unverifiable claims. I think that Kostunica has purchased B92.
OK time for some perspective in this story.
Some 550 Serbs and unknown number of Roma disappeared in the period we are talking about.
In the book Del Ponte said that she needed the help of Albanian authorities to press charges, but the individual she co-operated with said that he didn't believe it happened and that if it did was glad it that it happened to Serbs. BTW I know that this view isn't typical of Albanians in Albania. Many Albanians in Albania don't feel strongly about Serbs one way or the other. But this is what Del Ponte wrote in her book. In any case it won't make a difference to Serbs or gypsies but if their organs were removed and they were killed in Albania proper it was likely to be a criminal thing rather than an ethnic thing - from the Albanian (not the Kosovo Albanian necessarily) perspective.
As for the legal response - we have our war crimes prosecutor saying that in theory if he could investigate and bring a case he could call Del Ponte to testify. This war crimes prosecutor Vukicevic has a good relationship with Del Ponte. According to reports I read today Tadic commented that his office will try to assist with resolving this case.
I have to say that I am disappointed that Serbian authorities did not investigate this case. Relatives of the disappeared say that rumours have been going round for years along these lines.
This case must be resolved, through a serious investigation. Above all at the level between Serbia and Albania - kind of tricky when we don't have diplomatic relations, but also through other channels.
Above all its about the relatives of the disappeared. Kosovo Albanians too have relatives who vanished, they should have some understanding for this.
Personally, I find these allegations extremely difficult to believe.
First off, if there really were 300 Serbian victims, that would account for nearly all of the Serbian missing and I just find that implausible.
Secondly, the whole organ stealing network conspiracies were the flavor of the month for Urban Myths at the time Del Ponte was investigating this. None of these rumors of wide spread organ stealing were substantiated in even the least bit. These kinds of rumors were very common in poor third world countries.
In conclusion, I think the likelihood of this being true are very very slim, but I'm sure it will sell books!
Organ trafficking is today a serious problem in Albania according to several reports written by UNICEF and ECPAT among many others.
If you deny this you let it happen!
STOP DENY. Instead REACT and make CHANGE!
HUMAN DEVELOPMENT CENTRE
VIOLENCE AGAINST CHILDREN IN ALBANIA
Tirana, 2006
http://www.unicef.org/albania/Violence_against_children_in_Albania.pdf
"The trafficking of children for purposes of labour and sexual exploitation and organ harvesting is one of the most acute problems to affect children in recent years. Such cases have often made the headlines, and several have been brought to justice."
Page 45
"The media in Albania has always covered the issue of violence against children. A lot of reporters have participated in training programmes on the appropriate way to cover stories involving the violation of human rights, particularly women and children. Stories of violence against children appear quite frequently in the media. These tend to focus on child trafficking, exploitation of labour, exploitation for prostitution, organ harvesting, and juvenile crime."
Page 84
JOINT EAST WEST RESEARCH PROJECT ON TRAFFICKING IN
CHILDREN FOR SEXUAL PURPOSES IN EUROPE:
THE SENDING COUNTRIES
ALBANIA REPORT
January 2004
http://www.ecpat.net/eng/Ecpat_inter/projects/promoting_law/East-West_Research-2004/Albania_ENG.pdf
"They took my soon for organ transplant"
Case 4 page 32
The working group for the development
of the National Youth Strategy worked
under the leadership and coordination of
Directory of Coordination
of Youth Policies
http://www.unicef.org/albania/National_Youth_Strategy.pdf
Human trafficking keeps on remaining a crucial problem for Albania. The transitional period has caused the emergence and the consolidation of organised crime that renders children and young people victims of prostitution, street work, organ transplantation, and other illegal services destined to the developed countries. According to a study carried out in the USA from the State Department, it is calculated that the human trafficking industry achieves 9 billion USD at a global level each year, a fact that demonstrates the existence of powerful forces and demand in the market for these services.
It also confirms what I always thought on the Hague so-called 'tribunal'. So they want us to believe that while this 'tribunal' can endlessly harass Serbia, it has no means to continue an investigation (and put pressure) on Albania?
Here's what will happen. None of this will ever be proven, while on the other hand the Serbs will for centuries to come preach to their children about how their Albanian neighbours committed these horrific crimes and keep their hate against them (Albanians) ALIVE.
We’re used to hearing these kinds of hate tales by the Serbs, as for (Mike, 21 March 2008 14:32) – You are still learning.
This is some sickening claims. I feel ashamed that KLA is linked to such crimes. I personally would act on this issue if I knew that anyone would get involved in such horrific inhuman act. I have no doubt that this propaganda is coming from Mr Kostunica, he is clearly following Milosevic’s footsteps before Milosevic won his election in 1989. Someone should be held accountable for such claims and should be prosecuted because this is not doing any good to anyone. I know this isn’t true.
While this has the feel of some B movie horror flick it does happen. As another poster said India is high on the list for kidneys, some sold voluntarily others not. Do a google search for "illegal organ trade" and you will see there are alot of articles. While I am not a fan of the KLA I also find it hard to believe that this would be officialy sanctioned by the organization. The seems to be the work of a selct few KLA members and their mafia budies. All outin the name of money. for all the Albanians out there accept it and hope that one day these guys are caught and can spend the rest of their days in prison.
First, the Hague investigators gave up further investigations, because there was not a slight prove that would lead them to the crime. Not worth it going further.
Second, according to the story during summer 1999, 300 Serbs were transported to Albania. Let’s assume that Nato could not control well the borders at the beginning of its mandate which started early June 1999. Where KLA hid those 300 hundred Serbs at the time when Kosovo was under strong control of Serbian Army and Police? If you say they killed them all it would have make more sense, but just trying to hide them at the time where KLA members had trouble to save their own lives and they could not protect their family members form Serbian forces, it is illogical.
And, finally, has there been a bit of information leaking out from hundreds of humanitarian organisation that have been helping in a region before and after the War in Kosovo? No. What about media? This would have been news that would have shaken the World, so every media would have competed in breaking it.
As far as Mladic, Karadzic and other Serbian criminals are concerned, I have no further comments. That should be a concern and moral of a Serbian Society who wants to be a part of a democratic world and build a better future for new generations. If you think with Mladch is better for you, keep him and maybe elect him for a prime minister of Serbia, because Kostunica has not shown good enough for the job.
Liri,
Canada
Albanians, you will realize some day that all you´ve been told was a lie, just like the Germans had to learn after WWII.
and you will be those to be held responsible.
(Jovan, 21 March 2008 19:47)
and what about you Jovan???
The entire serbian political and military elite is in Hague- can't you understand the difference between a FACT not hypothesis??? where do you find the guts to pint a finger at others??
(b92 -- you needn't censor me this time, since at #87?? or so, no one in this entire universe will even bother to read me.)
This is one of the most disturbing things i've ever read on b-92, in my many years of DAIly browsing, and that's saying a lot! b92 has had its share of screaming, yellow-journalism style headlines, and ugly racist comments from various extremist posters, some of whom appear on a regular basis and are never (seemingly) censored. so yes, just like in the "real" world, there exists a great deal of distrust between the pro-democratic side v. b92 and an array of extremist voices.
having said that, i actually saw a notice of this story BEfore reading the piece on b-92. it was in much less detail and framed differently, but i did see it. and after all, b-92 is not making this up from whole cloth. this (supposedly) is coming fr carla. now what i think about that woman i cannot say here, because even this serbian website would refuse to print it. once upon a time i had hope and faith in her, but that was long, long ago. she is one, um, how shall i say it, "strange" lady. i cannot say if this story is true, i have no idea, nor can i say it is false. and i agree with some of your posters that to automatically deny the story is unreasonable. it has to be investigated, no matter how gruesome are the accusations. and the results must come out.
but not in some "tell-all" memoir, really i cannot say enough bad things about carla...
yes, there have been rumors about trafficking of human organs in the balkans. frankly the rumors i have heard have to do with serbia, and mostly from kosovar albanians interviewees. i have NO proof, nor have i ever mentioned it in this forum. but in our general research we have come across such accusations, and that is the truth. but no proof. there is also the notorious case of petar sutovic, details of which can be found at the Petar Sutovic website. it is too complicated to go into detail here and now, but it can be easily found with a web search.
i will just add one more point. my colleagues and i have been at work on a book about the former yugoslavia, where we have (so far) formally interviewed some 75 persons of different backgrounds and nationalities (including b92's Veran Matic) and many others less formally. you can ask veran if you don't believe me, but at any rate it would be a stupid lie on my part if it were not true, and i'm the one always yelling about speaking the truth. and that is my point here: while doing our research we have come upon a lot of different material, much of it not pretty, and not always supporting our so-called side. i had to make a decision, a painful decision, and stick to it -- if we find something that we believe to be true, we must write about it and include it in our work, regardless of how uneasy or insecure it makes us feel. that is a difficult decision, even for well-trained journalists, with integrity... so i will follow this story, and write about it, as best i can, and with as much integrity as i can. but hopefully in our book, it will be missing the screaming headlines, and accompanying venom.
sometimes reading b92 (and ensuing comments) reminds me of Tesla's famous line: Their hate could light up cities! he knew well of what he spoke.
iam sorry to tell you that this is impossible:to take organs,you need at least a surgeon,an anesthesist,nurses,oxygene,sophisticated medical materiel! Have you ever been to burrel and its hospital? no of course,eithewise you will never have commented suchstupid thing;THEN have to bring organs in italy:do you know how is the road between rinas and burrel? no ,you will never have commented these stupidities!
do you know that you have a time limit for transplantation? no, otherwise you will not have commented these stupidities!
Madame del ponte needs to sell her book,so she needs a sensationnel information, that's all.
Because i would have nbeen very pleased that a transplantation can be done in burrel,but it is not the case!
This is an issue which touches the feeling of not only Serbian and Albanians but of all human beings. It is such a moment when everyone should be very objective because it is about human life. The Serbs are accusing us for inhumanity based on the book which if filled with such stories can not be nothing else than a thriller. Anyway let analyze the arguments given.
“We are checking some informal statements we obtained through operative work that, in 1999, two trucks carrying imprisoned Kosovo Serbs were sent to Albania,….. Kosovo Albanians had transferred 300 Serb and other non-Albanian hostages in trucks to northern Albania in the summer of 1999”
It is impossible to carry 300 persons in two trucks while the border was heavily controlled by Albanian police and military. Moreover in the summer of 1999 in Albania were hundred of thousand journalists which of course could have seen/heard something like that. Once again it is not about 3 persons but 300. Where did the trucks pass???? How can one travel from the border to the Burrel some hundred km without being noticed from no one??? It is naive and unbelievable to think that Albanian authorities could have allowed such a mass murder!!
“The office obtained information that UNMIK investigators and officials had received from groups of so-called reliable journalists”
These so-called reliable journalists didn’t make it public before. Why??? Is it not of very much importance to denounce the killing of 300 people!!!!! Of course it is very much important. In this way Albania could have been punished for the supporting of mass murder. But it didn’t happen.
“Afterwards, the organs, according to the sources, were sent abroad from Rinas airport near Tirana where they were used in transplantations for patients who had paid for it”
Rinas airport is the solely international airport in Albania. Therefore nothing can pass through it without knowledge of the highest police authorities. There is no fact to inculpate Albanian police as collaborators. How did they carry transplants???
“In its vicinity, investigators also found pieces of gauze, used syringes, two plastic IV solution bags, "petrified in mud", empty medicine bottles, including muscle relaxants used during surgeries.”
If the murder was well organized, the criminals would have demolished the house in order not to let any sign of the crime. Can a peasant be part of this??? Of course not if you pretend that the crime was carried out in full secrecy. It is about the people not about animals.
"There are no graves of Serbs here," the Albanian official said. "But, if they took the Serbs from the Kosovo border and killed them, they did the right thing"
I am very sorry but I haven’t heard any Albanian official to pronounce that „killing is the right thinks“ As Albanian I would fully object such statements which are against humanity. I am sure that all Albanians share the same meaning. Let the justice find out the truth.
If this story is true, then definetly it should be thoroughly investigated and the people responsible brought to justice. However, I don't think there is or ever gonna be any evidence supporting these claims. I honestly can't beleive some of the posters here like brumsila, Another Canadian Serb, Ana etc. that are willing to beleive anything as long as it makes albanians some kind of monsters. It's people like you, that beleived anything your beloved Milosevic, and the RTS was reporting in the 90s without the benefit of the doubt that brought so many wars and despair on everyone including serbs. I'm sure that some KLA members did commit crimes against serbs and I'm all for bringing them to justice. But not all KLA members(just a few actually) were criminals as some serbs like to think. So stop with comments Thaqi this Thaqi that, when you or no one has any evidence that he was involved in crimes against serbs. Just being a member of KLA doesn't automatically make you a criminal or terrorist just like nobody thinks that all the members of serbian army commited crimes during the wars... They would have to commit an act of terrorism and or crime to be branded. At least KLA had people like Hajradinaj that face charges against them and put their people and their country before themselvs (unlike your heroes like Mladic etc).
Crimes like the one described here are not as easy to cover up as some of you here think. If a jurnalist(and you had a whole lot of international jurnalists in 99 in Kosovo and Albania) got wind of this it would be in headlines all over the world in a matter of hours because there's lots of money to be made for this kind of news (especially if government officials of a country are involved). I live in Canada, and Canadian, US, and most of EU jurnalists can't wait to report scandals involving government officials. If this crime was covered up as is described on this article, then governments would have had to been involved in the cover up. And it's just unrealistic that more then one governemnt(and high officials in Hague) would get involved in covering up this kind of heinous crime. If this is really described in her book, there's going to be a lot of heat on her and lots of other international officials on why they didn't investigate further. Do you really think if it was a cover up, the people involved in this cover up wouldn't attempt to assasinate Del Ponte by now?!!! Come on! So stop beleiving anything you read without having any sort of evidence other then word of mouth, because you're not doing yourself or anyone a favor.
One thing serbian propaganda did work in 90 but now and after never and ever gonna work that is just a sick move from this people so that happen when in one country don't have a law otherwise you would get sued over this propaganda that much so other times you think twise before you say something ellse for insulting other's
I will have to repeat this again and I hope this time you leave to one side just for a few second your hate against the Albanians.
THERE IS NOT A SINGLE HOSPITAL IN ALBANIA WHO CARRIES THIS TYPE OF SURGERY.
It is total non sense thinking otherwise. There is not a single Albanian doctor who carries this type of surgery. Transplant of organs is not the same as replacing your rotten tooth. Use your common sense guys.
Someone claims that 300 Serbs got murder in Albania. Are you feeling well?
How can you murder 300 people and no one know about it? Are you telling me that the Serb government or the civilized world will just let this happen?
Are you aware what this mean? Yet again these are human we talking about, not farm animals. Humans do have names, family and belong to a country and a society.
I am not going to write anymore about this because it makes me sick and vomit the judgment of some guys here. I had seen them all now. It can’t get any worse than this premeditated misinformation! If this is not a hateful and nasty propaganda I don’t know what name to give it.
This is something hard to believe. Personaly, I do not believe it at all. This is something against Albanian moral code. Carla Del Ponde is just a person who made things up so she can get something out of it, probably to sell her book.
In other hands if this is true which I find it hard to be true then this is wrong, very, very wrong.
B92, please, without facts do not publish these kind of things.
Next will be 300 million serbs killed in the war. Man Albania does not hav ethe capabilities to perform organ transplant. Since harvest and transplant must be done in a certain amount of time traveling by truck would be didotic and the organs would die.
The same propaganda was done by serbs back in 90s. They were saying that Albanians kill they fathers. Albanians kill each other. We serb police are not killing. WHY are Kosovars now not killing they parents or each other... I am from Albania and we do NOT have any hospital that do this kind of stuff....
This doubts coming from a high profile prosecutor like Del Ponte doesn;t make so much sense, on contrary raise ethical issues since she represents an institutions and a prosecutor is not allowed to draw conlusions based on assumptions. I have a clue why she is publishing such horrible things regardless the fact that this article is refereing to another article which is refering to the book. which means 3 processes of recycling. I will only have a clear idea when I will read the original because serbian media is the queen of taking out of context statements or passages. Nonetheless this article is horrible. Probably Del Ponte more than publishing a book based on crimes during the war in Former Yugoslavia is thinking to give a bestseller based in fiction. I won't be surprised if this book will be a movie soon. However this doesn;t make sense. Is not about denying a disaster and atrocities, is all about proofs... evidence... facts. Nothing just hypothesis enriched with numbers. Tell me a single witness, a single massgrave a single thing to make me believe that such horrible atrocities happened and I will appologize to my serbian colleges in this forum. But this is just invention that make us hate more each other. Del Ponte lost her job after she clearly failed to bring the butchers of the wars in ex-yugolsavia and punish them. Now is trying to be a writter exploiting her position and our emotions. This horrible. Ashame on Del Ponte
Is this why Serbian authorities were making pressure on Italy not to publish Carla De Ponte’s book?! This information would terrify Albanians in Kosovo, not Serbs in Belgrade. So, what was the reason to stop the publication of the book then? Fortunately, the book is coming up and we are going to be able to read more. One thing I know for sure is that such a thing never happened. But, very soon this amazing story is going to be forgotten by true stories about Serbian Government reluctance to collaborate with The Tribunal of The Hague to prison War Criminal fugitives such as Ratko Mladich and Radovan Karadjich. You cannot shift the attention that De Ponte has been drawing to Serbian War Criminals to some gossips about KLA. This is a real Serbian propaganda that never changes even after all the loses. But the World is aware of Serbian miracles, so don’t expect someone to believe these delusional claims. They are trying to sell this lie before the book is in our hands. Wait and watch is the best policy here.
Liri, Canada
This is a complete LIE. Burrel is in the middle of nowhere; doesn't have the proper equipment to do this. What is TRUE is that more than 1000 Albanians are still missing, and no body knows where their bodies were dumped. Your government is deliberately doing this to increase the pain of our people.
I don't understand what's to comment in this article?? it's nothing proven and it's the only news surce I did read such thing and,I mean why such a hurry of Serb camp to blame Albanians? prove it!!! these institutions (Hague) are free to investigate everywhere in Albania unlike in Serbia.
If these things happen to be true We're redy to take the blame for it and make sure these people get what they deserve,and We'll be the one apologizing for such horrible things....even Serbians didn't apologize for anything yet.
thanks.
This is pure hysteria and lies. For starters, I don't think the Albanian health care facilities have the sofistication or have bothered to train the personnel necessary for harvesting, transporting, or performing transplants. I'm talking about Tirana here, let alone Burrel, in the middle of nowhere.
It is ironical that the criminals accuse others of being criminals. The refrigerator trucks full of murdered civilians were pulled out of river Danube and Belgrade airports, not out of Shkumbin and Rinas. Shame on B92 for fueling such ridiculous anti-Albanian hysteria in a population that is clearly very prone to believing this stuff.
i cant belive in this
at first del ponte had to wait of publishing here new book,about the crimes,because it will make serbs "hard" to arrest mladic and karadzic
is this a present for kostunica to give those criminels to hague??
that can never be true..never
there is 3000 albanisna stillmissing,many say there were burn in some factories in serbia.but nobody know untill now anything.so dont hurry,time will show the truth
No serbian doctor to comment about this news?
B92,i invite you in burrel and all the place around so that you unterstand how easy it is!
to serbs:and i would like to remind you that your army did put mines all around albania and in albania_300 deads in albania,mostly children due to theses mines up to now_
Do you believe that your army was not surveilling this frontier?
Do you believe that nato was not surveilling airplanes over the adriatic see? do you believe that customs in albania and italy_in case of a normal fly_ were not surveilling very carefully all the bagages and people coming from albania and going to albania?
Try to find a serbian doctor and ask him if a fielhopital can provide such an intervention without damage for the organ?
albania has a problem with children trafficking,among roma families:but these children were brought to greece ,in a greek private hospital for the intervention ,not in albania.(a lawyer and a doctor have been arrested in greece for this)
But i do agree that the best way to prouve you that this is not true is for the kosovars to tell were the bodies of these missing serbsare .Then stories like this one will stop.
All albanians who know something must go and reveal what they know.We are free now and we must have the courage to reveal were the bodies of the missing person are,if we know. As a person whose uncle is a missing person,from a previous conflit,i do know how hard it is to cope with the death of a loved one without having knowing where he is burried ,without having a place to pay tribute.
i beg all of us,in serbia,in albania,in kosovo to reveal the burial places,as a gesture of humanity.
Karla del Ponte should have remembered such horror before she being off duty and just wishing to sell her book. She was 'thundering' against Serbia all the time. Now, she suddenly 'recovered' her memory?
No wonder that a number of the witnesses have been jailed for making crazy allegations such as this and we also know where they come from. Of course Del Ponte will make such statement because if it wasn’t for such alarming claims, none of us would be commenting on here.
It is day one since this news was published from B92. There is not a single word or demand coming from Tadic, Jeremic, and Kostunica for this issue to be investigated. I am starting to really doubt the truthfulness of these accusations. I will wait a week for any kid of action from the Serbian leaders before I make my mind up about how true these accusations are. Very hard to believe the most ardent nationalists and patriots( by the standards of some people) such as Kostunica and Nikolic could just hush if they knew there was truth to it. Very Hard to believe the Helsinki Comete is just hushing about this. A few more days remaining for us to know the merits of these accusations.
I see some Serbs are salivating at the publication of these rumours. In their eyes the Albanians are already guilty so I'm not bothering replying to any comments. Some of them have suddenly become experts in human trafficking and are even lecturing the rest of us how humans are traficked.
B92 is just feeding the Serbs' sense of victimhood by publishing the artcile as a fact as opposed to a rumour.
Serbia you are really stretching the truth…. WOW you real have an imagination. Wait why don’t you say we are vampires no werewolf’s. OH MY GOD. God bless America.
To smile,
“monsters!!!
say something!!!
(smile, 21 March 2008 15:03)”
First of all, referring to the comment above it tells us about your education and your capabilities to equally discuss on all matters by keeping the rules as B92 frequently repeats. Obviously B92 is neutral but not in ALL cases. The fact is that they published this kind of offence. Anyway….
It seems that all claims from Serbia & Co side here are based on some pieces of information taken from a book, and also some assumptions whether it could be done with or without doctor, whether it could be done from Albanians referring to some stories in UK or Ireland by much dedicated non serbs which express great concerns that it is true story 100 %. What is more important here!!! Gossips or arguments? Unfortunately Serbian side has gone so far to express condolences to the victims who don’t even exist while no true and logic analyze has been offered so far.
“According to those sources, there are unregistered mass graves with bodies of murdered Serbs in Albania”
Lets wait 4 April to see where are the mass graves, the truth for these presupposed victims. We Albanians expect to see the breaking news on this day which can be our punishment day according to you.
"These two politicians have no weight on the international political seen. Nobody cares what Serbs have to say.
Why don't you ask Thaci for an inquiry. Or better yet, ask Carla, she is a heavy weight and will demand answers.
(Another Canadian Serb, 21 March 2008 21:53) "
On the contrary Mr. Jeremic requested an international investigation not once but twice because allegedly Serbs were beaten by the UN and KFOR personel. I personally believe that this accusations are graver than someone being beaten up, and the least Jeremic could do when we're talking about human lives is to ask for an immediate International Investigation not twice but two dozen times. That is the least he could do as a Serb, as a human being and as someone who prides himself of serving justice and international law. Any inaction by the Serbian leaders to such accusations only proves that these accusations are pure lies, fabrications and propaganda. We we'll see within these few days. If Kostunica, Jeremic or Tadic do not do anything in the next few days then this is nothing but some kind of hallucination. I as an Albanian want to know the truth, and I would believe any Serb leader would wan to know the truth and seriously investigate the issue if there is any hint of truth in it.
Kostanti Gregovic I posted the pictures of the trucks here on this site, taken from the NY Times. I can look for those again if you want me to. Also if you have been reading B92 you should know that one of the truck driver is testifying in front of a court on how they were transporting the bodies from Kosova/o to inside Serbia.
"Everybody knows what's going on there. We know very well where drugs, white meat and guns flow through in order to get into Europe," said member of Slovak government, stressing that Slovakia never vote in favour of Kosovo's independence.
"They are giving Kosovo to mafiosos, thugs, human and drug traffickers," he said, adding that Kosovo is home to one of the largest American military bases, including a secret prison similar to the one in Guantanamo Bay.
I can't wait for the sequel on B92: "Hashim Thaci ate Serb babies for dinner".
Does the word "allegedly" exist in Serbian cause I don't see it anywhee in the title.
Keep up the good job.
And the article ends with: "Describing detailed information she had on the matter, Del Ponte stated that detectives had had to give up on this case because further investigation had proved impossible" - read: there is no proof whatsoever to confirm these claims, and this is another pathetic attempt to discredit the independence case.
Where was Mrs. de Ponte during all these years?
Here's what will happen. None of this will ever be proven, while on the other hand the Serbs will for centuries to come preach to their children about how their Albanian neighbours committed these horrific crimes and keep their hate against them (Albanians) ALIVE.
We’re used to hearing these kinds of hate tales by the Serbs, as for (Mike, 21 March 2008 14:32) – You are still learning.
We are forgetting one small detail here. While this article is all allegation, with no proof, the truckloads of Kosovo Albanian Bodies pulled from the Danube, and the mass graves at Batajnica police compound actually existed. This is a new low by B92, in posting sensational, unverifiable claims. I think that Kostunica has purchased B92.
This is some sickening claims. I feel ashamed that KLA is linked to such crimes. I personally would act on this issue if I knew that anyone would get involved in such horrific inhuman act. I have no doubt that this propaganda is coming from Mr Kostunica, he is clearly following Milosevic’s footsteps before Milosevic won his election in 1989. Someone should be held accountable for such claims and should be prosecuted because this is not doing any good to anyone. I know this isn’t true.
Please B92 do not publish this kind of madness.
I’m an Albanian from Albania and find it sick and horrible that someone will come with such a sick scenario. I don’t care who is writing this or were your story come from.
First of all there is not a single hospital in Albania who can carry an organ transplant surgery. The Albanians have got to travel to Italy for this sort of surgery. Simply the Albanians do not have this type of facility.
Second is impossible to claim that 300 Serb have been in prison in Albania, taken their organ and then release with not a single person coming forward.
We are talking about humans in here not animals. Regardless of their nationality or origins this claims are grotesque and monstrous.
One thing serbian propaganda did work in 90 but now and after never and ever gonna work that is just a sick move from this people so that happen when in one country don't have a law otherwise you would get sued over this propaganda that much so other times you think twise before you say something ellse for insulting other's
I will have to repeat this again and I hope this time you leave to one side just for a few second your hate against the Albanians.
THERE IS NOT A SINGLE HOSPITAL IN ALBANIA WHO CARRIES THIS TYPE OF SURGERY.
It is total non sense thinking otherwise. There is not a single Albanian doctor who carries this type of surgery. Transplant of organs is not the same as replacing your rotten tooth. Use your common sense guys.
Someone claims that 300 Serbs got murder in Albania. Are you feeling well?
How can you murder 300 people and no one know about it? Are you telling me that the Serb government or the civilized world will just let this happen?
Are you aware what this mean? Yet again these are human we talking about, not farm animals. Humans do have names, family and belong to a country and a society.
I am not going to write anymore about this because it makes me sick and vomit the judgment of some guys here. I had seen them all now. It can’t get any worse than this premeditated misinformation! If this is not a hateful and nasty propaganda I don’t know what name to give it.
iam sorry to tell you that this is impossible:to take organs,you need at least a surgeon,an anesthesist,nurses,oxygene,sophisticated medical materiel! Have you ever been to burrel and its hospital? no of course,eithewise you will never have commented suchstupid thing;THEN have to bring organs in italy:do you know how is the road between rinas and burrel? no ,you will never have commented these stupidities!
do you know that you have a time limit for transplantation? no, otherwise you will not have commented these stupidities!
Madame del ponte needs to sell her book,so she needs a sensationnel information, that's all.
Because i would have nbeen very pleased that a transplantation can be done in burrel,but it is not the case!
This is a complete LIE. Burrel is in the middle of nowhere; doesn't have the proper equipment to do this. What is TRUE is that more than 1000 Albanians are still missing, and no body knows where their bodies were dumped. Your government is deliberately doing this to increase the pain of our people.
I very much doubt this is true. Why did they not say anything about this before if they knew all this time? Its not like they found any more evidence or facts and they decided to come clean! It sounds to elaborate and sick to go unnoticed and unpublicized.
Its a pathetic PR stunt against indepedence.
However, if evidence is found and its proved to be true, than all those resposible shoud be caught, tried and sent to jail for this potentialy sick crime.
Is this why Serbian authorities were making pressure on Italy not to publish Carla De Ponte’s book?! This information would terrify Albanians in Kosovo, not Serbs in Belgrade. So, what was the reason to stop the publication of the book then? Fortunately, the book is coming up and we are going to be able to read more. One thing I know for sure is that such a thing never happened. But, very soon this amazing story is going to be forgotten by true stories about Serbian Government reluctance to collaborate with The Tribunal of The Hague to prison War Criminal fugitives such as Ratko Mladich and Radovan Karadjich. You cannot shift the attention that De Ponte has been drawing to Serbian War Criminals to some gossips about KLA. This is a real Serbian propaganda that never changes even after all the loses. But the World is aware of Serbian miracles, so don’t expect someone to believe these delusional claims. They are trying to sell this lie before the book is in our hands. Wait and watch is the best policy here.
Liri, Canada
This doubts coming from a high profile prosecutor like Del Ponte doesn;t make so much sense, on contrary raise ethical issues since she represents an institutions and a prosecutor is not allowed to draw conlusions based on assumptions. I have a clue why she is publishing such horrible things regardless the fact that this article is refereing to another article which is refering to the book. which means 3 processes of recycling. I will only have a clear idea when I will read the original because serbian media is the queen of taking out of context statements or passages. Nonetheless this article is horrible. Probably Del Ponte more than publishing a book based on crimes during the war in Former Yugoslavia is thinking to give a bestseller based in fiction. I won't be surprised if this book will be a movie soon. However this doesn;t make sense. Is not about denying a disaster and atrocities, is all about proofs... evidence... facts. Nothing just hypothesis enriched with numbers. Tell me a single witness, a single massgrave a single thing to make me believe that such horrible atrocities happened and I will appologize to my serbian colleges in this forum. But this is just invention that make us hate more each other. Del Ponte lost her job after she clearly failed to bring the butchers of the wars in ex-yugolsavia and punish them. Now is trying to be a writter exploiting her position and our emotions. This horrible. Ashame on Del Ponte
Personally, I find these allegations extremely difficult to believe.
First off, if there really were 300 Serbian victims, that would account for nearly all of the Serbian missing and I just find that implausible.
Secondly, the whole organ stealing network conspiracies were the flavor of the month for Urban Myths at the time Del Ponte was investigating this. None of these rumors of wide spread organ stealing were substantiated in even the least bit. These kinds of rumors were very common in poor third world countries.
In conclusion, I think the likelihood of this being true are very very slim, but I'm sure it will sell books!
Albanians, you will realize some day that all you´ve been told was a lie, just like the Germans had to learn after WWII.
and you will be those to be held responsible.
(Jovan, 21 March 2008 19:47)
and what about you Jovan???
The entire serbian political and military elite is in Hague- can't you understand the difference between a FACT not hypothesis??? where do you find the guts to pint a finger at others??
The same propaganda was done by serbs back in 90s. They were saying that Albanians kill they fathers. Albanians kill each other. We serb police are not killing. WHY are Kosovars now not killing they parents or each other... I am from Albania and we do NOT have any hospital that do this kind of stuff....
I see some Serbs are salivating at the publication of these rumours. In their eyes the Albanians are already guilty so I'm not bothering replying to any comments. Some of them have suddenly become experts in human trafficking and are even lecturing the rest of us how humans are traficked.
B92 is just feeding the Serbs' sense of victimhood by publishing the artcile as a fact as opposed to a rumour.
Next will be 300 million serbs killed in the war. Man Albania does not hav ethe capabilities to perform organ transplant. Since harvest and transplant must be done in a certain amount of time traveling by truck would be didotic and the organs would die.
"Describing detailed information she had on the matter, Del Ponte stated that detectives had had to give up on this case because further investigation had proved impossible"
This is something hard to believe. Personaly, I do not believe it at all. This is something against Albanian moral code. Carla Del Ponde is just a person who made things up so she can get something out of it, probably to sell her book.
In other hands if this is true which I find it hard to be true then this is wrong, very, very wrong.
B92, please, without facts do not publish these kind of things.
This is an issue which touches the feeling of not only Serbian and Albanians but of all human beings. It is such a moment when everyone should be very objective because it is about human life. The Serbs are accusing us for inhumanity based on the book which if filled with such stories can not be nothing else than a thriller. Anyway let analyze the arguments given.
“We are checking some informal statements we obtained through operative work that, in 1999, two trucks carrying imprisoned Kosovo Serbs were sent to Albania,….. Kosovo Albanians had transferred 300 Serb and other non-Albanian hostages in trucks to northern Albania in the summer of 1999”
It is impossible to carry 300 persons in two trucks while the border was heavily controlled by Albanian police and military. Moreover in the summer of 1999 in Albania were hundred of thousand journalists which of course could have seen/heard something like that. Once again it is not about 3 persons but 300. Where did the trucks pass???? How can one travel from the border to the Burrel some hundred km without being noticed from no one??? It is naive and unbelievable to think that Albanian authorities could have allowed such a mass murder!!
“The office obtained information that UNMIK investigators and officials had received from groups of so-called reliable journalists”
These so-called reliable journalists didn’t make it public before. Why??? Is it not of very much importance to denounce the killing of 300 people!!!!! Of course it is very much important. In this way Albania could have been punished for the supporting of mass murder. But it didn’t happen.
“Afterwards, the organs, according to the sources, were sent abroad from Rinas airport near Tirana where they were used in transplantations for patients who had paid for it”
Rinas airport is the solely international airport in Albania. Therefore nothing can pass through it without knowledge of the highest police authorities. There is no fact to inculpate Albanian police as collaborators. How did they carry transplants???
“In its vicinity, investigators also found pieces of gauze, used syringes, two plastic IV solution bags, "petrified in mud", empty medicine bottles, including muscle relaxants used during surgeries.”
If the murder was well organized, the criminals would have demolished the house in order not to let any sign of the crime. Can a peasant be part of this??? Of course not if you pretend that the crime was carried out in full secrecy. It is about the people not about animals.
"There are no graves of Serbs here," the Albanian official said. "But, if they took the Serbs from the Kosovo border and killed them, they did the right thing"
I am very sorry but I haven’t heard any Albanian official to pronounce that „killing is the right thinks“ As Albanian I would fully object such statements which are against humanity. I am sure that all Albanians share the same meaning. Let the justice find out the truth.
This is pure hysteria and lies. For starters, I don't think the Albanian health care facilities have the sofistication or have bothered to train the personnel necessary for harvesting, transporting, or performing transplants. I'm talking about Tirana here, let alone Burrel, in the middle of nowhere.
It is ironical that the criminals accuse others of being criminals. The refrigerator trucks full of murdered civilians were pulled out of river Danube and Belgrade airports, not out of Shkumbin and Rinas. Shame on B92 for fueling such ridiculous anti-Albanian hysteria in a population that is clearly very prone to believing this stuff.
To me, this sounds a little too “film noir”… something like “Soylent Green” (1973)?
However, based on my contacts with Balkan people, including here Albanians and my own fellows Romanians, I would say that we have a so talkative nature, that we cannot keep secrets. In short, whatever happens, sooner or later will end up on prime time TV :)
Also, given the Communist experience, where rumors where often more true than the “official truths”, Balkan people are very prone to such conspiracy theories… As a Romanian, I must say that each year I meet one countryman who thinks that Ceausescu is currently living just fine, somewhere in Cuba or China!
On the other hand, this kind of “commerce” with human organs, if exists, cannot be more lucrative, as one may think, than smuggling drugs, weapons, goods or prostitutes… something Albanian mafia has enough already.
But, if even one case is found to be true, then this would be catastrophic for Albania, in terms of image.
However, I am more interested what Ms. Del Ponte has to say about “hunting” Mladic and Karadzic… Is the book launched only in Italian? (my Latin is better than my Italian, shame on me :)
Last week Albania had exploding bombs and a surplus of ammunitions. This week they are selling Serbian organs for private operations in Albania. I can only imagine what is next to come in Kosovo.
Serbia you are really stretching the truth…. WOW you real have an imagination. Wait why don’t you say we are vampires no werewolf’s. OH MY GOD. God bless America.
If this story is true, then definetly it should be thoroughly investigated and the people responsible brought to justice. However, I don't think there is or ever gonna be any evidence supporting these claims. I honestly can't beleive some of the posters here like brumsila, Another Canadian Serb, Ana etc. that are willing to beleive anything as long as it makes albanians some kind of monsters. It's people like you, that beleived anything your beloved Milosevic, and the RTS was reporting in the 90s without the benefit of the doubt that brought so many wars and despair on everyone including serbs. I'm sure that some KLA members did commit crimes against serbs and I'm all for bringing them to justice. But not all KLA members(just a few actually) were criminals as some serbs like to think. So stop with comments Thaqi this Thaqi that, when you or no one has any evidence that he was involved in crimes against serbs. Just being a member of KLA doesn't automatically make you a criminal or terrorist just like nobody thinks that all the members of serbian army commited crimes during the wars... They would have to commit an act of terrorism and or crime to be branded. At least KLA had people like Hajradinaj that face charges against them and put their people and their country before themselvs (unlike your heroes like Mladic etc).
Crimes like the one described here are not as easy to cover up as some of you here think. If a jurnalist(and you had a whole lot of international jurnalists in 99 in Kosovo and Albania) got wind of this it would be in headlines all over the world in a matter of hours because there's lots of money to be made for this kind of news (especially if government officials of a country are involved). I live in Canada, and Canadian, US, and most of EU jurnalists can't wait to report scandals involving government officials. If this crime was covered up as is described on this article, then governments would have had to been involved in the cover up. And it's just unrealistic that more then one governemnt(and high officials in Hague) would get involved in covering up this kind of heinous crime. If this is really described in her book, there's going to be a lot of heat on her and lots of other international officials on why they didn't investigate further. Do you really think if it was a cover up, the people involved in this cover up wouldn't attempt to assasinate Del Ponte by now?!!! Come on! So stop beleiving anything you read without having any sort of evidence other then word of mouth, because you're not doing yourself or anyone a favor.
"This is a complete LIE. Burrel is in the middle of nowhere; doesn't have the proper equipment to do this."
All the better to carry out these types of things with less witnesses.
All the equipment necessary, a surgeon, drugs etc. could be brought to a makeshift hospital. Then the organs packed in a cooler with preservative and shipped/flown off to hospitals.
They say they found a house there which shows evidence that organs were extracted.
I don't understand what's to comment in this article?? it's nothing proven and it's the only news surce I did read such thing and,I mean why such a hurry of Serb camp to blame Albanians? prove it!!! these institutions (Hague) are free to investigate everywhere in Albania unlike in Serbia.
If these things happen to be true We're redy to take the blame for it and make sure these people get what they deserve,and We'll be the one apologizing for such horrible things....even Serbians didn't apologize for anything yet.
thanks.
No wonder that a number of the witnesses have been jailed for making crazy allegations such as this and we also know where they come from. Of course Del Ponte will make such statement because if it wasn’t for such alarming claims, none of us would be commenting on here.
To smile,
“monsters!!!
say something!!!
(smile, 21 March 2008 15:03)”
First of all, referring to the comment above it tells us about your education and your capabilities to equally discuss on all matters by keeping the rules as B92 frequently repeats. Obviously B92 is neutral but not in ALL cases. The fact is that they published this kind of offence. Anyway….
It seems that all claims from Serbia & Co side here are based on some pieces of information taken from a book, and also some assumptions whether it could be done with or without doctor, whether it could be done from Albanians referring to some stories in UK or Ireland by much dedicated non serbs which express great concerns that it is true story 100 %. What is more important here!!! Gossips or arguments? Unfortunately Serbian side has gone so far to express condolences to the victims who don’t even exist while no true and logic analyze has been offered so far.
“According to those sources, there are unregistered mass graves with bodies of murdered Serbs in Albania”
Lets wait 4 April to see where are the mass graves, the truth for these presupposed victims. We Albanians expect to see the breaking news on this day which can be our punishment day according to you.
While this has the feel of some B movie horror flick it does happen. As another poster said India is high on the list for kidneys, some sold voluntarily others not. Do a google search for "illegal organ trade" and you will see there are alot of articles. While I am not a fan of the KLA I also find it hard to believe that this would be officialy sanctioned by the organization. The seems to be the work of a selct few KLA members and their mafia budies. All outin the name of money. for all the Albanians out there accept it and hope that one day these guys are caught and can spend the rest of their days in prison.
First, the Hague investigators gave up further investigations, because there was not a slight prove that would lead them to the crime. Not worth it going further.
Second, according to the story during summer 1999, 300 Serbs were transported to Albania. Let’s assume that Nato could not control well the borders at the beginning of its mandate which started early June 1999. Where KLA hid those 300 hundred Serbs at the time when Kosovo was under strong control of Serbian Army and Police? If you say they killed them all it would have make more sense, but just trying to hide them at the time where KLA members had trouble to save their own lives and they could not protect their family members form Serbian forces, it is illogical.
And, finally, has there been a bit of information leaking out from hundreds of humanitarian organisation that have been helping in a region before and after the War in Kosovo? No. What about media? This would have been news that would have shaken the World, so every media would have competed in breaking it.
As far as Mladic, Karadzic and other Serbian criminals are concerned, I have no further comments. That should be a concern and moral of a Serbian Society who wants to be a part of a democratic world and build a better future for new generations. If you think with Mladch is better for you, keep him and maybe elect him for a prime minister of Serbia, because Kostunica has not shown good enough for the job.
Liri,
Canada
No serbian doctor to comment about this news?
B92,i invite you in burrel and all the place around so that you unterstand how easy it is!
to serbs:and i would like to remind you that your army did put mines all around albania and in albania_300 deads in albania,mostly children due to theses mines up to now_
Do you believe that your army was not surveilling this frontier?
Do you believe that nato was not surveilling airplanes over the adriatic see? do you believe that customs in albania and italy_in case of a normal fly_ were not surveilling very carefully all the bagages and people coming from albania and going to albania?
Try to find a serbian doctor and ask him if a fielhopital can provide such an intervention without damage for the organ?
I'm sorry to say it but some of the Albanian response here to this story has been completely shameful. I expected better from some of you.
First of all this was an allegation from Karla Del Ponte, not from B92.
And the idea that Kostunica and Del Ponte are acting together on this is somehow is so ridiculous those that believe it must be completely stupid.
I tell you my position if I was an Albanian poster. 'I don't see any evidence for this, but if it is true I condemn it unreservedly'. That position could be the least you guys could adopt.
Do I need to tell you guys how to behave as normal human beings?
(b92 -- you needn't censor me this time, since at #87?? or so, no one in this entire universe will even bother to read me.)
This is one of the most disturbing things i've ever read on b-92, in my many years of DAIly browsing, and that's saying a lot! b92 has had its share of screaming, yellow-journalism style headlines, and ugly racist comments from various extremist posters, some of whom appear on a regular basis and are never (seemingly) censored. so yes, just like in the "real" world, there exists a great deal of distrust between the pro-democratic side v. b92 and an array of extremist voices.
having said that, i actually saw a notice of this story BEfore reading the piece on b-92. it was in much less detail and framed differently, but i did see it. and after all, b-92 is not making this up from whole cloth. this (supposedly) is coming fr carla. now what i think about that woman i cannot say here, because even this serbian website would refuse to print it. once upon a time i had hope and faith in her, but that was long, long ago. she is one, um, how shall i say it, "strange" lady. i cannot say if this story is true, i have no idea, nor can i say it is false. and i agree with some of your posters that to automatically deny the story is unreasonable. it has to be investigated, no matter how gruesome are the accusations. and the results must come out.
but not in some "tell-all" memoir, really i cannot say enough bad things about carla...
yes, there have been rumors about trafficking of human organs in the balkans. frankly the rumors i have heard have to do with serbia, and mostly from kosovar albanians interviewees. i have NO proof, nor have i ever mentioned it in this forum. but in our general research we have come across such accusations, and that is the truth. but no proof. there is also the notorious case of petar sutovic, details of which can be found at the Petar Sutovic website. it is too complicated to go into detail here and now, but it can be easily found with a web search.
i will just add one more point. my colleagues and i have been at work on a book about the former yugoslavia, where we have (so far) formally interviewed some 75 persons of different backgrounds and nationalities (including b92's Veran Matic) and many others less formally. you can ask veran if you don't believe me, but at any rate it would be a stupid lie on my part if it were not true, and i'm the one always yelling about speaking the truth. and that is my point here: while doing our research we have come upon a lot of different material, much of it not pretty, and not always supporting our so-called side. i had to make a decision, a painful decision, and stick to it -- if we find something that we believe to be true, we must write about it and include it in our work, regardless of how uneasy or insecure it makes us feel. that is a difficult decision, even for well-trained journalists, with integrity... so i will follow this story, and write about it, as best i can, and with as much integrity as i can. but hopefully in our book, it will be missing the screaming headlines, and accompanying venom.
sometimes reading b92 (and ensuing comments) reminds me of Tesla's famous line: Their hate could light up cities! he knew well of what he spoke.
i cant belive in this
at first del ponte had to wait of publishing here new book,about the crimes,because it will make serbs "hard" to arrest mladic and karadzic
is this a present for kostunica to give those criminels to hague??
that can never be true..never
there is 3000 albanisna stillmissing,many say there were burn in some factories in serbia.but nobody know untill now anything.so dont hurry,time will show the truth
"had had to give up on this case because further investigation had proved impossible."
And it was impossible because I'm sure the Albanian government (from true Albania, now that we have two Albanias with help of the US) would not let the ICTY investigators anywhere near that house or the mass graves...And we all know the huge support that K Albania had an has from the True Albania...
Have you ever thought this is one of the reasons? No, of course not, the poor little Serbian girl that was stoned while she was playing in her garden in Kosovo was just a imagination of a small child, isn't it?
"These two politicians have no weight on the international political seen. Nobody cares what Serbs have to say.
Why don't you ask Thaci for an inquiry. Or better yet, ask Carla, she is a heavy weight and will demand answers.
(Another Canadian Serb, 21 March 2008 21:53) "
On the contrary Mr. Jeremic requested an international investigation not once but twice because allegedly Serbs were beaten by the UN and KFOR personel. I personally believe that this accusations are graver than someone being beaten up, and the least Jeremic could do when we're talking about human lives is to ask for an immediate International Investigation not twice but two dozen times. That is the least he could do as a Serb, as a human being and as someone who prides himself of serving justice and international law. Any inaction by the Serbian leaders to such accusations only proves that these accusations are pure lies, fabrications and propaganda. We we'll see within these few days. If Kostunica, Jeremic or Tadic do not do anything in the next few days then this is nothing but some kind of hallucination. I as an Albanian want to know the truth, and I would believe any Serb leader would wan to know the truth and seriously investigate the issue if there is any hint of truth in it.
Kostanti Gregovic I posted the pictures of the trucks here on this site, taken from the NY Times. I can look for those again if you want me to. Also if you have been reading B92 you should know that one of the truck driver is testifying in front of a court on how they were transporting the bodies from Kosova/o to inside Serbia.
It is day one since this news was published from B92. There is not a single word or demand coming from Tadic, Jeremic, and Kostunica for this issue to be investigated. I am starting to really doubt the truthfulness of these accusations. I will wait a week for any kid of action from the Serbian leaders before I make my mind up about how true these accusations are. Very hard to believe the most ardent nationalists and patriots( by the standards of some people) such as Kostunica and Nikolic could just hush if they knew there was truth to it. Very Hard to believe the Helsinki Comete is just hushing about this. A few more days remaining for us to know the merits of these accusations.
This could basically be the script for a Hollywood horror movie. If true, Albanians have a lot to explain, and even less ground to stand on with their self-perceived victimization narrative. This sick stuff is reminiscent of the punishments enacted by Ottoman Turks against Serbs in the 17th and 18th century, and here we're looking at the 20th and 21st.
The fact that this infamous serbophobe even dares to mention it is probably because this bubble is bigger than first suspected and will burst in her face sooner rather than later.
Big fact that makes a difference between Serbs and Albanians:
Most Serbs have accepted the fact that a part of their nation commited attrocities against a lot of the ex YU nations. I for one, think that all the Serbs that have been pointed as suspects should go on trial and try and defend themselfs...WE sent Milosevic to THE Hague, even he did a lot of bad things to Serbs as well...
On the other hand we have ALBANIANS who think and are sure that not one single Albanian has ever commited any crime against anyone...They don't even want to admit that the KLA killed Albanians that refused to join the KLA and those Albanians were considered as traitors...You still worship Taci, Ceku, Haradinaj and Jasari (just to mention a few) even they are the worst of the criminals. And you still think Haradinaj is a saint even he is the only one who ended up in The Hague...
Considering the fact that after WWII between 5 and 10000 nazi's were given asilium in the US because the US needed some favours from them (against the communist, I mean what are 6 million slaughtered Jews compared to the communists, right?), there you've got an explanation on why Taci, Ceku and the rest are still free...
Regarding Madamme Del Ponte, it is now obvious, that once that she is not the Chief Prosecutor of the ICTY she can tell the truth. I can hardly wait to read her book, because I'm sure I'll find out of all the deals with the Serbian government on the Mladic case (and he should be at The Hague as well)...
And why this case of human organs trafficking was dropped? Probably because no one from UNMIK (and from the article of the other day we know why) wanted to help or were given orders not to help.
The Albanians should think of one thing: while most of you do not even have a job and live in really poor conditions, how does Taci live? And were does his money come from? Aren't you pissed that some of them live like kings but the mayority don't even have electricity 24 hours a day? This is what you should be worried about...
The more you defend them, the more we all know is that Del Ponte is right...
Congratulations to the imperialists and puppet governments who recognized this fake and immoral state. Not only are they famous for having no economy besides heroin trafficking, human trafficking, but not organ trafficking as well! I am sure Condi and Bush are pround of supporting such people, people who keep Serbs in ghettos behind barbed wire, and then kidnap them as needed to cut out their organs and sell them. This is sick.
The truth is finally coming out and it will come back to hit thise countries square in the head, just like Vladimir Putin said.
Lili Del Ponte wrote that these 'operations' were not carried out in a regular hospital. Of course its possible that such people could carry out this type of operations.
This hysterical denial makes you guys look guilty. Seriously, better that you remain silent than make yourself look as if you are covering up / condoning such disgusting activities.
Perhaps if this was an allegation from a Serbian tabloid you could deny it. But Del Ponte isn't exactly known as a friend of Serbs is she?
I expect at least a minimum level of humanity from people at this forum.
I as an Albanian ask from Jeremic and Kostunica to immediately press charges in the International Tribunal for this issue. I as an Albanian request from Kostunica and Jeremic to immediately ask for an international investigation on this issue. These are big accusations and everything needs to clarified and brought to light. If indeed any of these things have happened the perpetrators need to be found and brought to justice. If neither Jeremic nor Kostunica do not take any actions with regards to these accusations within days from now, then we will all now that these are just lies and speculations. I would not believe for a moment that any Serb in the government would accept to remain quiet over such accusations if he/she knew there was some truth to them. Immediate action needs to be taken by Serbia if they believe these accusations hold truth in them. If no action is taken then this is just another fabrication and bad attempt at propaganda.
Organ trafficking is today a serious problem in Albania according to several reports written by UNICEF and ECPAT among many others.
If you deny this you let it happen!
STOP DENY. Instead REACT and make CHANGE!
HUMAN DEVELOPMENT CENTRE
VIOLENCE AGAINST CHILDREN IN ALBANIA
Tirana, 2006
http://www.unicef.org/albania/Violence_against_children_in_Albania.pdf
"The trafficking of children for purposes of labour and sexual exploitation and organ harvesting is one of the most acute problems to affect children in recent years. Such cases have often made the headlines, and several have been brought to justice."
Page 45
"The media in Albania has always covered the issue of violence against children. A lot of reporters have participated in training programmes on the appropriate way to cover stories involving the violation of human rights, particularly women and children. Stories of violence against children appear quite frequently in the media. These tend to focus on child trafficking, exploitation of labour, exploitation for prostitution, organ harvesting, and juvenile crime."
Page 84
JOINT EAST WEST RESEARCH PROJECT ON TRAFFICKING IN
CHILDREN FOR SEXUAL PURPOSES IN EUROPE:
THE SENDING COUNTRIES
ALBANIA REPORT
January 2004
http://www.ecpat.net/eng/Ecpat_inter/projects/promoting_law/East-West_Research-2004/Albania_ENG.pdf
"They took my soon for organ transplant"
Case 4 page 32
The working group for the development
of the National Youth Strategy worked
under the leadership and coordination of
Directory of Coordination
of Youth Policies
http://www.unicef.org/albania/National_Youth_Strategy.pdf
Human trafficking keeps on remaining a crucial problem for Albania. The transitional period has caused the emergence and the consolidation of organised crime that renders children and young people victims of prostitution, street work, organ transplantation, and other illegal services destined to the developed countries. According to a study carried out in the USA from the State Department, it is calculated that the human trafficking industry achieves 9 billion USD at a global level each year, a fact that demonstrates the existence of powerful forces and demand in the market for these services.
albania has a problem with children trafficking,among roma families:but these children were brought to greece ,in a greek private hospital for the intervention ,not in albania.(a lawyer and a doctor have been arrested in greece for this)
But i do agree that the best way to prouve you that this is not true is for the kosovars to tell were the bodies of these missing serbsare .Then stories like this one will stop.
All albanians who know something must go and reveal what they know.We are free now and we must have the courage to reveal were the bodies of the missing person are,if we know. As a person whose uncle is a missing person,from a previous conflit,i do know how hard it is to cope with the death of a loved one without having knowing where he is burried ,without having a place to pay tribute.
i beg all of us,in serbia,in albania,in kosovo to reveal the burial places,as a gesture of humanity.
It also confirms what I always thought on the Hague so-called 'tribunal'. So they want us to believe that while this 'tribunal' can endlessly harass Serbia, it has no means to continue an investigation (and put pressure) on Albania?
American, European and Canadian readers here please link this story and send it to all media sources in your country. People outside the Balkans are not aware of these horrific events. It has not been carried by any of the American news sources. If enough media attention can be focused on this story a full and complete investigation will be conducted to uncover the truth and to bring those responsible to justice.
Karla del Ponte should have remembered such horror before she being off duty and just wishing to sell her book. She was 'thundering' against Serbia all the time. Now, she suddenly 'recovered' her memory?
"Everybody knows what's going on there. We know very well where drugs, white meat and guns flow through in order to get into Europe," said member of Slovak government, stressing that Slovakia never vote in favour of Kosovo's independence.
"They are giving Kosovo to mafiosos, thugs, human and drug traffickers," he said, adding that Kosovo is home to one of the largest American military bases, including a secret prison similar to the one in Guantanamo Bay.
RE "This is some sickening claims. I feel ashamed that KLA is linked to such crimes. I personally would act on this issue if I knew that anyone would get involved in such horrific inhuman act. I have no doubt that this propaganda is coming from Mr Kostunica, he is clearly following Milosevic’s footsteps before Milosevic won his election in 1989. Someone should be held accountable for such claims and should be prosecuted because this is not doing any good to anyone. I know this isn’t true."
You obviously haven't heard that the Serbian government is trying to stop this book of being published! As for Kostunica's propaganda, I don't know if Kostunica hates Del Ponte more or it is viceversa...and you are obvioulsy not aware that Del Ponte is not a favorite person in Serbia as well.
As for the claim that you are ashamed that KLA is linked to such things. Well darling, you should be ashamed of many things done by the KLA. Start with the killings of fellow Albanians that did not want to get involved with KLA...
Last but not least, you say you know this is not true...so proove it! That should be easy...
I hope that this is not true, but if it is, it's the most horrific thing I've ever heard.
For all you Albanian posters out there I feel terrible for people Albanian, Serbian, Roma, and Gorani that suffered during the war. Being the grandson of a man who was taken from his home and never found again gives me a lot of sympathy on these issues for people who have suffered.
However, I don't see that from all the posters here. The Albanians posters have so far denied this. But there are still at least a couple thousand missing Serbs. Why can't you or your govt or help us find out what happened to them? There's no way that Thaci doesn't know.
The Serbian govt has been returning the remains of missing Albanians as well as prosecuting MUP members. As far as I'm aware of I haven't seen anything like that from the Albanians.
I am not surprised.
For those here who don't remember:
- regular vanishing of Yugoslavian soldiers in Kosovo since WWII
- during seventies and eighties by YU government silenced cases of Kosovo Albanian surgeons sterilizing Serbian boys and misconducting professionally with Serbian patients, miscarriages, ...etc.
- deliberate phenol poisoning of river Ibar...
list could be much longer
Even the KLA as a terrorist organization could not be capable of such inhumanity and brutality.
The credibility of Del Ponte is absolutely zero especially with the prosecutors case against Slobodan Milosevic where the her case was unequivocaly destroyed piece by piece by Milosevic himself, a lawyer who has not practiced in decades.
Finally, the so called Freezer Truck story is another outright lie hatched by the media and any good standing Kosovo Albanian other than the KLA should discount that piece of propoganda also.
Brace yourselves!!! There will be plenty more to come out of Del Pontes book! Including accusations of Thaci's involvement in war crimes and how unmik stood by and let things happen as they were afraid of the concequences!
But regardless of what she has to say which is, too little too late.. shame on her for not doing her job!!!! I don't know how the albanian posters on here have the gall to suggest that the Thaci regime is in any way was innocent of crimes against Serbs and even his own people. Wake up and smell the bacon its right under your noses!!!
God help us, because that is the work of devil's children! And the man who did and order it is now ruling Kosovo!?
How much can you earn from 100.000 hearts and livers and 200.000 kidneys, mr. Tachi? I bet you already calculated it...
Oh well, they’re (Albanians) the biggest drug traffickers of heroine and cocaine in Europe and the US (transported through southern Italy). Also, the most prevalent in dealing and selling women from Eastern Europe for the sex slave industry – why not organs?? After all, its all about raising cash used to purchase militarily equipment to fund terrorists. I’m not surprised at all. All the KLA supporters are just plain pathetic with all their excuses. What’s a heart or set lungs worth to a wealthy western European? 250,000US a piece? Easy Money! Like leading cattle to the slaughter. They wouldn’t have seen the Serbs as humans just as potential revenue? Don’t worry payback will come.
while doing our research we have come upon a lot of different material, much of it not pretty, and not always supporting our so-called side.- roberto from san Francisco said
-As far as I know Roberto journalists should never have any sides. Have you heard of neutrality which is very important in journalism? After choosing a side you cannot be called journalist, nor researcher any longer since all your stories, researches can be considered as biased one. I no longer wonder how did you not come up with the at least partial truth (concerning both sides) when you already from the start choose to keep side. You even admitted of interviewing mostly Albanians. Well, there s the task for you, book the ticket and go to Albania to make some research. But please do not give up further investigation even if your life is jeopardized, and you can be sure it will be.
Furthermore, your accusations on the b92 for un-professionalism, questioning their integrity because they dared to speak up for the truth is really amusing part of your post. I hope that you realised that b92 did not come up with this story from own alleged sources and rumours but simply quoted the part of the book written by Carla Del Ponte who is btw.not considered as Serbia’s best friend and who certainly knows what she is talking about in that book. I don’t think Carla would dare to use own imaginations and make ridiculous allegations. So, as I said, book the ticket and good luck with your further research in Albania.
OK time for some perspective in this story.
Some 550 Serbs and unknown number of Roma disappeared in the period we are talking about.
In the book Del Ponte said that she needed the help of Albanian authorities to press charges, but the individual she co-operated with said that he didn't believe it happened and that if it did was glad it that it happened to Serbs. BTW I know that this view isn't typical of Albanians in Albania. Many Albanians in Albania don't feel strongly about Serbs one way or the other. But this is what Del Ponte wrote in her book. In any case it won't make a difference to Serbs or gypsies but if their organs were removed and they were killed in Albania proper it was likely to be a criminal thing rather than an ethnic thing - from the Albanian (not the Kosovo Albanian necessarily) perspective.
As for the legal response - we have our war crimes prosecutor saying that in theory if he could investigate and bring a case he could call Del Ponte to testify. This war crimes prosecutor Vukicevic has a good relationship with Del Ponte. According to reports I read today Tadic commented that his office will try to assist with resolving this case.
I have to say that I am disappointed that Serbian authorities did not investigate this case. Relatives of the disappeared say that rumours have been going round for years along these lines.
This case must be resolved, through a serious investigation. Above all at the level between Serbia and Albania - kind of tricky when we don't have diplomatic relations, but also through other channels.
Above all its about the relatives of the disappeared. Kosovo Albanians too have relatives who vanished, they should have some understanding for this.
Thanks to B92 for this report.
This was common knowledge in the balkans and young Serbian people were targeted, again just for being Serbian and thanks to PR machinery that had no shame.
Some sick mind profited in Bosnia and Kosovo and all under the watch of NATO and EU.
We`ll never forget.
What incentive does Del Ponte, who has not lifted one finger for Serb victims of war crimes, to lie about the KLA that the Hague has done nothing to prosecute?
The KLA supporters on this website will defend the indefensible, while whining incessantly about crimes that never occurred against them.
I have heard rumours on many occasions that Albania is the hub for human organs trafficking and that many missing persons actually ended up in Albania for organs.
Hopefully the truth will come to the surface. I believe in these allegations and given the fact that allegations are made by someone who actually is not considered as friend of Serbia sounds more convincing.
However, I must say that after this new I got really upset and very, very sad. At first it made me vomit, and I just feel endlessly empty and sad. I cannot believe there is such monstrosity in this world. I hope for the justice and truly hope Albania and KLA leaders will be properly punished for these inhuman acts.
I pray for the innocent souls that had to undergo such horrific death. May their souls rest in peace.
I will curse perpetrators and all people (if they can be called people?) involved for the rest of my life
The possibility that this is true is not so far fetched.
Procuring human organs in Albania for European trafficking is a well know fact.
Albania is often identified as a source country for organ trafficking by various international organizations.
According the American Medical Association, Albania is one of the countries identified as destination for the so-called “transplant tourism.”
The Organs Watch, a research and documentation center states that, "In the Middle East residents of the Gulf States (Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, and Oman) have for many years traveled to India, the Philippines, and to Eastern Europe to purchase kidneys made scarce locally due to local fundamentalist Islamic teachings that allow organ transplantation (to save a life), but prohibit organ harvesting from brain-dead bodies.
As disgusting as this topic is,there is a lot of money to be made in organ trafficking.
Instead of denying it, you need to educate yourselves about it and then speak out against it.
It's funny how the Albanian camp keeps telling us to stop living in the past. But it sure looks like some Albanians and the KLA are still living up to Ottoman leagacy. Not at all Suprised if this is true. And I wouldn't put it past Thaci and his terrorist KLA. KS, now that suprised me. llir, they were not released, the were murdered for their organs. Miri ,Elton, ben, BH_ NYC, Leon, niksala, Sidi, you know that the first step to realizing this is denial. We will see if it's true or not. My point is the you guys talk about how bad the Serbs are, you have no clue, or do you, on what Thaci and the KLA did to the Serb's. I also know of people that lived in Kosovo, and they also told me stories of what the KLA did to them and others. They also muderded people to gain this "independence" including Albanians that just wanted to work and live thier lives. Sooner or latter the truth about Thaci and the KLA will surface. What comes around goes around my friends.
llir #17: You are not getting it or you don't want to get it. Are you really wondering why victims wouldn't come forward? It's because they no longer exist.
As far as your lack of Albanian medical facilities excuse. Do you really think somethink like this would be done in a hospital?
I am very much in health my self, so what was your point I cannot really understand. What is the problem to have a surgeon, anaesthesiologist and possibly nurse (that does not have to be present necessarily)? All these kinds of surgeries can be performed in improvised facilities and every surgeon can perform detachment of an organ. I just hope that the victims were really anaesthetised during these inhuman acts. But, unfortunately, something tells me that perpetrators did not think about the victim’s pain and I fear that the victims were just suffering enough without opiates. All they were maybe given is hypnotic and muscle relaxant. But the one must know that that is not enough and that the pain still can be felt, therefore short acting opiates are always used during the surgeries. But why the monsters would think about it since the victims are brought over there to die any way.
In addition, the organs were transported by planes and again see no problem with that if the organs were kept adequately. I suppose there was always plane ready and available for these kinds of purposes. It is the organised crime that we are talking here and criminals involved in these types of crimes certainly do not lack the planes.
The facts that you are giving are very, very fragile...
We all know that trafficking with human organs is a very lucrative job all around the world this days...
Do you really think that this operations are donne in legal hospitals? And that it is impossible to transport the organs? Come on, don't be funny...Nowdays, EVERYTHING is possible if you have THE MONEY to pay for it...
An as for doctors, Mengele was a doctor wasn't he? And he did all those attrocities and not even for the money. Imagine now days, what people are ready to do for A LOT of money. Sadly, some of them are doctors who forget the vows they gave...
So all the excusses you give would be refused in any court, even in Albania (ofcourse, if you do not bribe the judge...)
EAGLE,
the Western world never lies and all that Carla writes is true. Remember, that the west promotes democracy and self rule. Oh yeah, honesty and integrity. Carla has no reason to lie.
All this anticipation is killing me. I can't wait to see Carla's movie version showing the truth about the Albanian contribution in Kosovo.
Ilir, removing body organs is far easier than putting them in, especially if you have little concern for the patient, or in this case prisoner, you are taking it from.
And as for survivors I think the suggestion, with the talks of mass graves, is that there were none. The KLA sponsored doctors were said to have removed the organs and then the people were killed, which would also suggest that there was a lack of anasthetic used. I mean why waste expensive medicines if you don't care what happens to them and they will be killed anyway.
If you consider that Albanians are responsible for a lot of the people trafficking, the idea that they should take the organs from those they hate most and sell them for far more than they can get for a person, would make sense as barbaric as it is. I mean a single kidney would go for $10,000 or more on the world market and here you would get two from one person.
As hideous and barbaric as this sounds it all makes sense if you're of a sick enough mind.
As for proving it, difficult when the Albanian prosecutor agrees with killing Serbs, which was a factual comment!
Leon wrote 'I have no doubt that this propaganda is coming from Mr Kostunica, he is clearly following Milosevic’s footsteps before Milosevic won his election in 1989. Someone should be held accountable for such claims and should be prosecuted because this is not doing any good to anyone. I know this isn’t true.'
You must really be in denial and what makes you think anything that Kostunica has to say would make its way into Del Ponte's book. You say these must be lies, yet it was the Albanian prosecutor who said that it was right to kill Serbs, how do you think it can ever be proven as truth with a prosecutor that possibly made from it.
john,
Earth to Mars!
Why would state the following
"I as an Albanian ask from Jeremic and Kostunica to immediately press charges in the International Tribunal for this issue."
These two politicians have no weight on the international political seen. Nobody cares what Serbs have to say.
Why don't you ask Thaci for an inquiry. Or better yet, ask Carla, she is a heavy weight and will demand answers.
It comes as no surprise that the KLA and Albanians were low enough to do something like this. Those Albanians should be brought to justice and their detestable conduct brought before Europe as a show of who the EU is championing as "democrats".
RE Liri "One thing I know for sure is that such a thing never happened. But, very soon this amazing story is going to be forgotten by true stories about Serbian Government reluctance to collaborate with The Tribunal of The Hague to prison War Criminal fugitives such as Ratko Mladich and Radovan Karadjich."
For the first part of your quotation I can only reply: How do you know such thing never happened? Were you there?
For the second part of your quotation: I don't think that it will be a huge scandal about Kostunica and Co simply because everyone in Serbia and the world knows that Serbia has been reluctant to give away Mladic and Karadzic! That's why we still haven't signed the Stability and etc, part of the deal for the EU...
So you haven't really discovered America (as we like to say in Serbia) with this huge desire of yours for the world to know how we treat our war criminals...
But then again, we have sent quite a lot of them to The Hague (including Milosevic), some were captured and some even had the decency of surrending themselves...
Except Haradinaj, none of this can apply to you...
Regarding the truth or otherwise of this story I will just say that it would not surprise me at all if it proves to be true.
A few words about B92 based on the above posts:
According to Sidi "Kostunica has purchased B92". As far as I'm concerned, whoever "owns" B92 is doing a fine job. It is just a pleasure for me here in Western Europe to read news stories about Serbia in which the Serbs are not portrayed as mindless thugs intent on genocide. The coverage of the recent trouble in Mitrovica was disgraceful in both Irish and British media. So keep it up B92 and if people get upset, well, maybe it's time they did face their own demons.
you people, your point is that albania is so backward that they cant cut a body and take an organ out? does that mean that albanians can't use their thumbs to hold an instrument in their hands? what kind of a statement is that? but that seems to be what attempted refutal here is channeling down to. let me ask this again, carla del ponte lies, and proof that she lies is that albanians are saying, their country is such a backward place that no one there can cut a body open and take an organ out? there are no doctors there, and furthermore, they slaugher animals in their living rooms, not people?
it just physically hurts to read this. it's low, low, low.
First of all there is not a single hospital in Albania who can carry an organ transplant surgery. The Albanians have got to travel to Italy for this sort of surgery. Simply the Albanians do not have this type of facility.
Second is impossible to claim that 300 Serb have been in prison in Albania, taken their organ and then release with not a single person coming forward.
We are talking about humans in here not animals. Regardless of their nationality or origins this claims are grotesque and monstrous.
(Ilir, 21 March 2008 16:05)
Let me understand what you're saying then - if someone in albania needs a liver transplant, unless they have the money to travel to Italy, they will die....
In the 21st century & with all the illegal activities the albanians brought to Kosovo - I find YOUR comment to be a bunch of malarchy.
Furthermore, this is VERY possible as the KLA is a classified terrorist group who will & would do anything to cause horror & chaos to a peaceful society.
You are correct, we are speaking of animals here - no further comment necessary.
Show me a single proof than I will jump in your side!!
(miri, 21 March 2008 15:30)
Am amazed and disgused by the complete denial pro Albanians poster including my favorite blind
Joe for something every body at least heard once!
Hearing that no facilities exist this kind of 'job' make me laugh and sick, like it is a normal business, like others very popular there per ex drug, arms and human trafficking. (For this most probably there also are no facilities!!!).
Of course Kostunica and co bought this story, like they bouth the official Swiss statistics stating that the drug and prostistution in Switzerland is controlled by K-Albanians.
Now for the readers not really knowing the background of Del Ponte, you can find a lot about her on internet, briefly:
1) prosecutor in her native swiss canton working with the italian judge Falcon to uncover the mafia cosa nostra connection in the swiss financial system (Falcon was murdered by the maffia, she escaped by miracle - maybe some regret it now..)
2)as a Swiss prosecutor she dealt with cases of money laundering, fraud, drug trafficking, arms smuggling, terrorism and espionage
3)ICTY and ICTR
In any of her job she never refrained to speak loud and of course politicians did not really appreciate it.
One common point in any of her job, as soon as she got closed to the real mentors, she was removed for 'taking too much liberty and interfering in politics'
With her various positions she certainly knows more than anyone else and that's why she has been on the 'target' list of many criminal groups!
I'm glad that she finally comes out with what she had to swallow for too long to cover some of the dirtiest happenings since WW2 and God bless her for her courage!
Hopefully this will give the courage to other people to start speaking!
When I read most of the pro and completely innocent albanian posters it reminds me those people saying that gaz chambers never existed, fairy tale like Joe would say!
Yes, nothing has been proven sofar but to many facts are converging to the same spot...
Hopefully her book will also finally uncover the truth about Mladic and co and the famous deal concluded between the americans and some of the war criminals still on the run...
One of my diplomat friend told me one day that a few years after indictments were made against Mladic and co, some of them were still freely circulating in front of KFOR H.Q. because of lack of political (Foreing) will to arrest them.
The pandora box is definitely open and it really stinks! You wanted your country, you got it, now you'll have to deal with your past, good luck!
I think this is a very possible truth since so many Albanians are upset and reacting.I have only two things to say: Am I shocked with this news? Totally. Am I surprised by this sort of action carried out by KLA? Not at all.
I have no words to express how horrified I am with this news.
I mean how can somebody do this to a human being, what kind of creatures did this butchering?Is Ottoman empire back to where it was?
Illegal organ trade is very profitable business, which exist all over the world.
USA for example blames China government for organ harvesting from executed prisoners in China, for details please see http://www.american.edu/TED/prisonorgans.htm
Or you can find it in USA as well: http://www.usatoday.com/money/2006-04-26-body-parts-cover-usat_x.htm
Or India:
http://www.american.edu/TED/KIDNEY.HTM
Or Albania:
http://humaniststudies.org/enews/?id=319&article=6
The excellent point was raised by last document.
If demand exist, it will be fulfilled.
Legal market does exist, but waiting lines are often to big. If somebody have money and he/she wants to live, demand exist.
And if money exist everything else is possible: organization, people, equipment.
The very strange part is that I in fact found more than one message by Albanians on different blogs and sites were the common line was "I cannot believe, but if that is true I am ashamed to be Albanian".
But they are the one that does not need to be ashamed of them selfs, because their reaction was a decent human reaction.
Which I cannot say for bunch of comments here from people they claim to be Albanians.
If anything, nobody can accuse Del Ponte of being a Serbian lover. Fat chance.
And yes, I do believe her. I do not want to believe that anybody can do such horrendous crimes against humanity, but if it is true I also want to hunt down everybody involved without any mercy. Not a single one of them deserves to live.
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