"U.S. strongly opposes Kosovo partition"

The Ahtisaari plan must be carried out throughout the territory of Kosovo, including areas where Serbs form a majority, he said.

Which Ahtisaari plan, the one that was refused by the un, no wonder that us and EU administration will find more and more difficult to impose their illegal act!!

Casey says no partition! Bush to send arms to the puppet regime in pristina! Ivanko creates havoc in Mitrovica! All this under the pretext of creating stability? Am I missing something? or have the lunatics really taken over the asylum!!!?

Ahhh, the puppet master speaks.

Sorry george, defacto-partition is not up to you..
Is up to the serbs in the north.

ps: Is this guy really the leader of the 'free-world'?

Well my American friend. The Serbs will respect Athisaari's plan as much as you respect resolution 1244.

Situation on the ground is proving a lot more difficult than you aticipated. You thought that Serbs will lay down and die just because you wish it.

What are you going to do when Serbs deny your order? Start shooting at them again?
You got away with it once, but no more. Just like you got away with bombing the Chinese embassy once and never again.

So I suggest you keep your suggestions for your Albanian friends as you have no influence over the Serbs.

Come back to planet Earth Casey. As far as the Serbians are concerned the Ahtisaari plan is long dead. As for partition, it already exists and the sooner you realise the better.

So, the State Department will continue to use the force against the Serbs who oppose to be integrated in Albanian society and who certainly do not want to be governed by war criminals.

Do Americans realise that Serbs reject any integration under Albanians. For how long it takes and how many lives will be lost in order to establish artificial “multi-cultural” society in Kosovo? What do they try to achieve by this? To prove someone that they actually achieved something after failing so many times in providing and creating functional society in Kosovo????

Europe should be ashamed for being that silent on that matter, should be ashamed of its puppet role, and should be ashamed of accepting destabilization of the region and entire Europe.

but there is already de facto partition at the Ibar! And no way for Pristina to enter the UN.

I don't understand how you strongly oppose a fact. Kosovo is partitioned. Serbs will not live in a fake terror state. Those seem to be the facts.

It was easy for Bush to do the partition of Serbia. He had allies there...
But reading some foreign papers I've noticed that he is loosing his allies on this matter. It seems that most of the EU countries have accepted the fact that a partition is innevitable...

Alexander James,

A witty little post but remember this: Milosevic was not convicted of anything, and the longer his trial went on the less likely it was that he would be convicted of anything.

Now, as regards the kangaroo court itself ..........

Well Mr.Casey. Now it fits you to complain about partition. But when it came to partitioning Serbia then I didn't hear any complains from your side, rather the contrary. Are somebody having double standards here maybe?

Does anyone have access to that NYT article "citing an anonymous source within EU and NATO, said that the international community, especially the UN and the EU, would find it difficult to succeed in mobilizing political and executive power to prevent a partition of Kosovo." If so, please post it.

Alexander James,

Serbs do not want to be governed by the Albanian war criminals who happened to govern Kosovo.

DimTuc,

Here is the NYT article you were asking about:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/18/world/europe/18kosovo.html?scp=7&sq=kosovo&st=nyt

What the article loses in objectivity in reporting about the riots, they make up in the general scenario of the fate of northern Kosovo. For what it's worth, there is no way anybody can integrate northern Kosovo short of outright invasion and expulsion of the Serb population. Even if Kosovo is not to be territorially partitioned, and there are logics behind this argument, it should and probably will be de facto politically partitioned in the coming weeks and months. There's really little Pristina can do about that.

People...don't forget. US of A is Serbian friend!!! Even US ambassador in Belgrade said so. It does not matter what US does, it's what they say that counts. My god, what a lousy bunch. I think I now know what A is US of A stands for.

bmrusila: "Serbs who oppose to be integrated in Albanian society and who certainly do not want to be governed by war criminals."

Serbs governed by war criminals? Perish the thought!

"It seams that Albanians can leave 700,000 Albanians in macedonia as minority, 300,000 in south serbia, 150,000 in Monenegro= tot. over 1 million Albanians- but Serbs are SPECIAL they cannot leave 130,000 serbs in Kosova?
(ben, 20 March 2008 14:11) "

There are only about 60,000 ethnic Albanians in Serbia outside Kosovo. Stop giving grossly inflated figures, it only makes you a laughing stock. And I am sure your figures for Montenegro and Macedonia are probably way off reality too!

EU must prevent teh scenario of partition simply because Kosova should be a multiethnic state.

Anyhow partition will raise more problem or maybe opportunities.

Presevo valley will be incorporated in Kosova and Kosova will border Bulgaria.

Moreover this logic of partition could be extended to Macedonia. Why K-Serbs (who are 5% of Kosova population) should be treated in special way and not Albanians in Macedonia who are 1/3 of teh macedonian population? And maybe teh same with Albanians in Montenegro.

It seams that Albanians can leave 700,000 Albanians in macedonia as minority, 300,000 in south serbia, 150,000 in Monenegro= tot. over 1 million Albanians- but Serbs are SPECIAL they cannot leave 130,000 serbs in Kosova?

Thanks for the compliment Tom but who mentioned Milosevic?

bmrusila: Thanks for the clarification. Now we definitively know what nationality of war criminals you were referring to.

Ben, the only free lunch that came was Kosovo's UDD. I'm talking about tit-for-tat - balancing the scales, if you will.

However, to assuage your fears that I'm playing favorites here, please see my comment to another article here

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=48638

It is a great relief that this US government won't last very long. It is amazing how US produced duo of such "fine" presidents - starting with Mr.Clinton and his "inspiring" politics in Balkans. All that nightmare will be most probably changed with election Mr.|Obama. As some US analysts already noted - Mr.Obama wants to bring back good name to US - but without airborne divisions... It is high time for a big change.

Ben:

Your argument that the serbs in the north of Kosovo must be a part of your 'republic of Kosovo' simply to make it multi-ethnic beggars belief - it is nonsense.

It is their choice to make, not yours, or anyone elses.

And as for the precedent that would be set in the event of a defacto partion, no such precedent is created.

ALL of the trouble-spots you have cited as examples, are different to the case of the north part of Kosovo.

In each of the other cases, the 'would-be secessionists' are already part of an existing state AND have accepted membership in the existing state previously (either born there or nationalised).

Neither of these two criteria applies to the serbs in the north of Kosovo.

And no precedent is set. And the choice remains theirs.

The ONLY argument K-albanians could possibly have going for them is the principle of the

inviolability of borders as set out in the Helsinki Act of 1976.

Only guess what.. they threw that out of the window when they declared independence

Bad Gorilla:
"The U.S. is right. Most of the Kosovo Serbians do not live above the Ibar River, so all these demonstrations and attacks from Serb nationalists have been orchestrated from political parties and church in Belgrade. "

What of it?

One does not imply the other.

If serbs north of the Ibar do not wish to be a part of your 'republic of Kosovo', who are you to say otherwise?

What possible justification can K-albanians have for claiming the parts of Kosovo, in which serbs are a majority, and which are adjacent to Serbia proper?

No answer right?

Didn't think so.

bm-rusila (destroy) teh criminals are in hague they speak serbian fluently it apperas that they mother tongue is serbian

Mike: there is no free-lunch. see my post above # 12

The U.S. is right. Most of the Kosovo Serbians do not live above the Ibar River, so all these demonstrations and attacks from Serb nationalists have been orchestrated from political parties and church in Belgrade.

The U.S. knows NATO has all the cards in Kosovo (there is no Serb or Russian tropps or thanks), so it’s up to the Western military alliance to keep the order there.

I saw you comment Mike!

i am ok with that.

I guess the new conference would be a good solution for the unresolved issues in teh Balkans- FYROM, Montenegro, BiH and maybe the exchange Serbia/Kosova

EU must prevent teh scenario of partition simply because Kosova should be a multiethnic state.

Anyhow partition will raise more problem or maybe opportunities.

Presevo valley will be incorporated in Kosova and Kosova will border Bulgaria.

Moreover this logic of partition could be extended to Macedonia. Why K-Serbs (who are 5% of Kosova population) should be treated in special way and not Albanians in Macedonia who are 1/3 of teh macedonian population? And maybe teh same with Albanians in Montenegro.

It seams that Albanians can leave 700,000 Albanians in macedonia as minority, 300,000 in south serbia, 150,000 in Monenegro= tot. over 1 million Albanians- but Serbs are SPECIAL they cannot leave 130,000 serbs in Kosova?

bmrusila: "Serbs who oppose to be integrated in Albanian society and who certainly do not want to be governed by war criminals."

Serbs governed by war criminals? Perish the thought!

Come back to planet Earth Casey. As far as the Serbians are concerned the Ahtisaari plan is long dead. As for partition, it already exists and the sooner you realise the better.

Ahhh, the puppet master speaks.

Sorry george, defacto-partition is not up to you..
Is up to the serbs in the north.

ps: Is this guy really the leader of the 'free-world'?

So, the State Department will continue to use the force against the Serbs who oppose to be integrated in Albanian society and who certainly do not want to be governed by war criminals.

Do Americans realise that Serbs reject any integration under Albanians. For how long it takes and how many lives will be lost in order to establish artificial “multi-cultural” society in Kosovo? What do they try to achieve by this? To prove someone that they actually achieved something after failing so many times in providing and creating functional society in Kosovo????

Europe should be ashamed for being that silent on that matter, should be ashamed of its puppet role, and should be ashamed of accepting destabilization of the region and entire Europe.

The U.S. is right. Most of the Kosovo Serbians do not live above the Ibar River, so all these demonstrations and attacks from Serb nationalists have been orchestrated from political parties and church in Belgrade.

The U.S. knows NATO has all the cards in Kosovo (there is no Serb or Russian tropps or thanks), so it’s up to the Western military alliance to keep the order there.

Well my American friend. The Serbs will respect Athisaari's plan as much as you respect resolution 1244.

Situation on the ground is proving a lot more difficult than you aticipated. You thought that Serbs will lay down and die just because you wish it.

What are you going to do when Serbs deny your order? Start shooting at them again?
You got away with it once, but no more. Just like you got away with bombing the Chinese embassy once and never again.

So I suggest you keep your suggestions for your Albanian friends as you have no influence over the Serbs.

DimTuc,

Here is the NYT article you were asking about:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/18/world/europe/18kosovo.html?scp=7&sq=kosovo&st=nyt

What the article loses in objectivity in reporting about the riots, they make up in the general scenario of the fate of northern Kosovo. For what it's worth, there is no way anybody can integrate northern Kosovo short of outright invasion and expulsion of the Serb population. Even if Kosovo is not to be territorially partitioned, and there are logics behind this argument, it should and probably will be de facto politically partitioned in the coming weeks and months. There's really little Pristina can do about that.

People...don't forget. US of A is Serbian friend!!! Even US ambassador in Belgrade said so. It does not matter what US does, it's what they say that counts. My god, what a lousy bunch. I think I now know what A is US of A stands for.

It was easy for Bush to do the partition of Serbia. He had allies there...
But reading some foreign papers I've noticed that he is loosing his allies on this matter. It seems that most of the EU countries have accepted the fact that a partition is innevitable...

Well Mr.Casey. Now it fits you to complain about partition. But when it came to partitioning Serbia then I didn't hear any complains from your side, rather the contrary. Are somebody having double standards here maybe?

I don't understand how you strongly oppose a fact. Kosovo is partitioned. Serbs will not live in a fake terror state. Those seem to be the facts.

Alexander James,

Serbs do not want to be governed by the Albanian war criminals who happened to govern Kosovo.

Thanks for the compliment Tom but who mentioned Milosevic?

bmrusila: Thanks for the clarification. Now we definitively know what nationality of war criminals you were referring to.

Casey says no partition! Bush to send arms to the puppet regime in pristina! Ivanko creates havoc in Mitrovica! All this under the pretext of creating stability? Am I missing something? or have the lunatics really taken over the asylum!!!?

The Ahtisaari plan must be carried out throughout the territory of Kosovo, including areas where Serbs form a majority, he said.

Which Ahtisaari plan, the one that was refused by the un, no wonder that us and EU administration will find more and more difficult to impose their illegal act!!

but there is already de facto partition at the Ibar! And no way for Pristina to enter the UN.

Does anyone have access to that NYT article "citing an anonymous source within EU and NATO, said that the international community, especially the UN and the EU, would find it difficult to succeed in mobilizing political and executive power to prevent a partition of Kosovo." If so, please post it.

Alexander James,

A witty little post but remember this: Milosevic was not convicted of anything, and the longer his trial went on the less likely it was that he would be convicted of anything.

Now, as regards the kangaroo court itself ..........

bm-rusila (destroy) teh criminals are in hague they speak serbian fluently it apperas that they mother tongue is serbian

Mike: there is no free-lunch. see my post above # 12

Ben, the only free lunch that came was Kosovo's UDD. I'm talking about tit-for-tat - balancing the scales, if you will.

However, to assuage your fears that I'm playing favorites here, please see my comment to another article here

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=48638

"It seams that Albanians can leave 700,000 Albanians in macedonia as minority, 300,000 in south serbia, 150,000 in Monenegro= tot. over 1 million Albanians- but Serbs are SPECIAL they cannot leave 130,000 serbs in Kosova?
(ben, 20 March 2008 14:11) "

There are only about 60,000 ethnic Albanians in Serbia outside Kosovo. Stop giving grossly inflated figures, it only makes you a laughing stock. And I am sure your figures for Montenegro and Macedonia are probably way off reality too!

It is a great relief that this US government won't last very long. It is amazing how US produced duo of such "fine" presidents - starting with Mr.Clinton and his "inspiring" politics in Balkans. All that nightmare will be most probably changed with election Mr.|Obama. As some US analysts already noted - Mr.Obama wants to bring back good name to US - but without airborne divisions... It is high time for a big change.

I saw you comment Mike!

i am ok with that.

I guess the new conference would be a good solution for the unresolved issues in teh Balkans- FYROM, Montenegro, BiH and maybe the exchange Serbia/Kosova

Ben:

Your argument that the serbs in the north of Kosovo must be a part of your 'republic of Kosovo' simply to make it multi-ethnic beggars belief - it is nonsense.

It is their choice to make, not yours, or anyone elses.

And as for the precedent that would be set in the event of a defacto partion, no such precedent is created.

ALL of the trouble-spots you have cited as examples, are different to the case of the north part of Kosovo.

In each of the other cases, the 'would-be secessionists' are already part of an existing state AND have accepted membership in the existing state previously (either born there or nationalised).

Neither of these two criteria applies to the serbs in the north of Kosovo.

And no precedent is set. And the choice remains theirs.

The ONLY argument K-albanians could possibly have going for them is the principle of the

inviolability of borders as set out in the Helsinki Act of 1976.

Only guess what.. they threw that out of the window when they declared independence

Bad Gorilla:
"The U.S. is right. Most of the Kosovo Serbians do not live above the Ibar River, so all these demonstrations and attacks from Serb nationalists have been orchestrated from political parties and church in Belgrade. "

What of it?

One does not imply the other.

If serbs north of the Ibar do not wish to be a part of your 'republic of Kosovo', who are you to say otherwise?

What possible justification can K-albanians have for claiming the parts of Kosovo, in which serbs are a majority, and which are adjacent to Serbia proper?

No answer right?

Didn't think so.