Vojvodina Hungarians slam SRS comments

I don’t understand why anyone would go against Hungarian minority in Serbia if official Budapest recognises Kosovo. If that possibility exists and if someone expects such actions against Hungarians in Serbia, then the extreme proper measures of protection must be taken by the police force. Police must have information what organisations are expected to organise possible violence against Hungarians. This must not happen! People must understand that it is not their (Hungarian minority) fault of the decisions taken by Budapest.

The time has come for cool heads and an irrational move from Budapest could ignite ethnic problems in Vojvodina. The Radicals are calling it right here. If Budapest does recognise Pristina's UDI, things could get very uncomfortable for the Magyars. This is not a threat, its just stating common sense.

The best course of action for the Hungarian government is to resist the pressures coming from Washington and sit down with Belgrade otherwise we could very well have a potentially explosive situtaion on our hands.

Who the hell wants intercommunal riots on the streets of Subotica and Novi Sad not to mention in Belgrade where a significant Hungarian population reside.

PM Orban please take note.

"“To equate members of a nation in Vojvodina with an EU member-state and its possible recognition of Kosovo is pure manipulation,” said Egereši."

I have to agree with this. Vojvodina Hungarians have nothing to do with Budapest and should not be targeted. I've heard reports today that Croatia, Hungary and even Bulgaria may recognize as early as tomorrow. If this does happen, we need to clearly differentiate between the people and the government.

I agree with Niall. The last thing anyone wants to see are riots in Novi Sad and Subotica. It's completely counterproductive.

Let me concur with the opinions of Niall and Mike.

This current Hungarian government is a bit of a disaster (remember the riots in 2006 and more trouble recently). The Hungarian people of Vojvodina are no more responsible for the actions of Gyurcsany's administration than Niall or I are for the actions of the Irish government.

Wow!

Serbian democracy when its best. Be aware the world, specialy EU is watching closely every move Serbia is taking.

Let me tell you, this is just doing more and more harm to Serbia, thanks to radical parties. It gives government's who recentley and are going to recognize Kosova's Independence reasonable ground.

Cheers!

True face of Serbian politics. If they dont pick on the albanians than Hungarinas will do. Soon Vojvodina will become like Kosovo. They will first bring in lots of new settlers and then it will be Vojvodina is the heartland of Serbia and then mass expulisons.. How funny they have not learned nothing.. I feel soory for the hungarians. My prayers are with you

Mike,

A blind man could see that Budapest's recognition of Pristina UDI is going to lead to tensions in Vojvodina. The best solution should have been for Budapest to conduct a bilateral agreement with Belgrade. The ethnic Hungarian politician is also spot on by disassociating himself from the actions of Budapest, but no matter what will happen you will get extremists looking to cause trouble.

The time has come for cool heads and an irrational move from Budapest could ignite ethnic problems in Vojvodina. The Radicals are calling it right here. If Budapest does recognise Pristina's UDI, things could get very uncomfortable for the Magyars. This is not a threat, its just stating common sense.
Niall O'Doherty

Aren't the Vojvodina minorities citizens of Serbia then Niall? Why would they be punished for Hungary's doings?! Or are they just some secondary citizens(like they regarded albanians in Kosova) that you can treat them anyway you like, just because they are not serbs and do not always agree with them. Instead he should've said

How is it that it is only the Radicals that are able to "foresee" all these possible conflicts among ethnicities?

If they're so far-seeing, couldn't they have predicted the outcome of their nationalist policies in Bosnia and Kosovo?

So here's an implicit threat to Hungary... "hey, you got Hungarians here, they're our hostages,...this is what might happen to them." sort of thing.

For once I agree with bmrusila's comment. To avoid such A thing from happening however, the Serbs would do very well, to torpedo these SRS from parliament come May 11th.

This is probably not going to stop them from making trouble, but at least, Serbia can claim that the brawls and the riots aren't government sanctioned. That would be an improvement from the current situation.

SRS is just trying "democraticaly" to persuade Hungary to "obey" the intrnational law ;)

Remeber the declaration of slovenia after they recognized Kosova? Vandals will not influence the foreign policy of Slovenia?

Tom what do yuo accpct that Hungary will do/say?

Hallo K-Albanians,

Just to let you know that Ataman is not a Hungarian but a Serb. Here he tries to mislead you by passing for a Hungarian.

"“To equate members of a nation in Vojvodina with an EU member-state and its possible recognition of Kosovo is pure manipulation,” said Egereši."

Wise words. I hope they also apply when the discussion turns to ethnic Albanians in Kosovo and Macedonia.

Yes, Hungary, Bulgaria, Croatia is a "done deal" this Wednesday:

http://hvg.hu/vilag/20080318_koszovo_magyarorszag_elismeres.aspx

What is interesting - Budapest just made a unilateral visa deal with USA undermining E.U. efforts to squeeze a better and pan-EU visa-free travel deal with America. Instead, some countries (and Hungary is one of these) signed a much worse deal this Monday. This link is about the Czech "deal":

http://hvg.eu/eu/20080307_new_visa_eu_member.aspx

But Hungarian "deel" as far as I know is worse because the percentage of Hungarians denied U.S. visa is above 10% threshold. Theoretically Hungary wouldn't be even qualified to sign - but America closed an eye on this.

Basically, Hungarian people would travel to USA without visa - but they have to apply for the admission on-line and it will be "probably free". This is as lousy as the Serbian-Russian visa deal but unlike the case between Serbia and Russia where probably the sheer incompetence of Serbian and Russian government is behind the lousiness - see my comment here:

http://xs4.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=48311#hrono

we can't say that Hungarian government does not know what they signing. I am sure, during the time of signing of visa-deal Kosovo was mentioned.

That reminds me of a Hungarian joke.
A lion ate a man and told his peers:
- "I just ate a Hungarian politician".
- "How you know, it was a Hungarian politician?"
- "He had no skin on his face and no backbone"

With a little twisted logic there is one benefit of Hungary recognizing Kosovo: from all surrounding countries it is the easiest to pursue to withdraw the recognition. Here Serbia has all the cards. But these cards can be played only if Serbia has a functioning government and Dubya gone: anyone (McCain, Obama, Clinton) would mean a healthier climate.

BTW: the PM is not Orbán Viktor but Gyurcsány Ferenc. O.V. is in the opposition.

The current political climate in Hungary is not pretty:

http://hvg.eu/hungary/20080311_hungary_referendum.aspx
http://hvg.eu/hungary/20080317_march_15_radical_nationalist.aspx

To Tom O'Donoghue:

Both Gyurcsány and Orbán favor (officially) the UDI. However, the entire mess about the recognition is on the shoulders of Kinga Gönz, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinga_Goncz

It is interesting to read her CV.

But let me stress out: there is no sympathy in Hungary with a terrorist banana-republic.

"Dear" Albanians, as I was in Kosovo you showed us your true face - I am busy to spread the word how that face looked like. "Thanks" for your hospitality, we never forget it.

"Let me tell you, this is just doing more and more harm to Serbia, thanks to radical parties. It gives government's who recentley and are going to recognize Kosova's Independence reasonable ground."

Indeed. The idea of one of Serbia's largest political parties saying that, nudge nudge wink wink, any decision by the Hungarian government to recognize Kosovo could make things difficult for ethnic Magyars in Vojvodina, Serbian citizens all, is breathtakingly stupid. Holding ethnic minorities responsible for actions of their notional national homelands is always that.

Do these people want Serbia to be isolated from its neighbours indefinitely?

To those whom don't want to understand
Hungary is an independent European country and doesn't have to ask permission from Serbian whether to recognise or not Kosova's full independence.
One advise to the Serbian panel here. Treat you minorities with respect and do not provoke them.

Hungarian Vojvodina mustn't be intimidated by Serb violance.Hungary will recognize Kosova's independence, just like all the other nations have, in return we will support Hungarian Vojvodina's right to self determination. I'm sure Mr, Tom Lantos would then be proud of us,up in heaven with Mother Theresa, all.Hungarian and Albanian friends we are for ever.

Really stupid and provoking comment from SRS. How can you create tension between your own citizens like that? You cannot even blame hungarians in Hungary for the government's decisions or the french in France or the dutch in the Netherlands, needless to say hungarians in Serbia.

SRS is just trying "democraticaly" to persuade Hungary to "obey" the intrnational law ;)

Remeber the declaration of slovenia after they recognized Kosova? Vandals will not influence the foreign policy of Slovenia?

Tom what do yuo accpct that Hungary will do/say?

Wow!

Serbian democracy when its best. Be aware the world, specialy EU is watching closely every move Serbia is taking.

Let me tell you, this is just doing more and more harm to Serbia, thanks to radical parties. It gives government's who recentley and are going to recognize Kosova's Independence reasonable ground.

Cheers!

The time has come for cool heads and an irrational move from Budapest could ignite ethnic problems in Vojvodina. The Radicals are calling it right here. If Budapest does recognise Pristina's UDI, things could get very uncomfortable for the Magyars. This is not a threat, its just stating common sense.
Niall O'Doherty

Aren't the Vojvodina minorities citizens of Serbia then Niall? Why would they be punished for Hungary's doings?! Or are they just some secondary citizens(like they regarded albanians in Kosova) that you can treat them anyway you like, just because they are not serbs and do not always agree with them. Instead he should've said

How is it that it is only the Radicals that are able to "foresee" all these possible conflicts among ethnicities?

If they're so far-seeing, couldn't they have predicted the outcome of their nationalist policies in Bosnia and Kosovo?

So here's an implicit threat to Hungary... "hey, you got Hungarians here, they're our hostages,...this is what might happen to them." sort of thing.

For once I agree with bmrusila's comment. To avoid such A thing from happening however, the Serbs would do very well, to torpedo these SRS from parliament come May 11th.

This is probably not going to stop them from making trouble, but at least, Serbia can claim that the brawls and the riots aren't government sanctioned. That would be an improvement from the current situation.

True face of Serbian politics. If they dont pick on the albanians than Hungarinas will do. Soon Vojvodina will become like Kosovo. They will first bring in lots of new settlers and then it will be Vojvodina is the heartland of Serbia and then mass expulisons.. How funny they have not learned nothing.. I feel soory for the hungarians. My prayers are with you

Hallo K-Albanians,

Just to let you know that Ataman is not a Hungarian but a Serb. Here he tries to mislead you by passing for a Hungarian.

The time has come for cool heads and an irrational move from Budapest could ignite ethnic problems in Vojvodina. The Radicals are calling it right here. If Budapest does recognise Pristina's UDI, things could get very uncomfortable for the Magyars. This is not a threat, its just stating common sense.

The best course of action for the Hungarian government is to resist the pressures coming from Washington and sit down with Belgrade otherwise we could very well have a potentially explosive situtaion on our hands.

Who the hell wants intercommunal riots on the streets of Subotica and Novi Sad not to mention in Belgrade where a significant Hungarian population reside.

PM Orban please take note.

I don’t understand why anyone would go against Hungarian minority in Serbia if official Budapest recognises Kosovo. If that possibility exists and if someone expects such actions against Hungarians in Serbia, then the extreme proper measures of protection must be taken by the police force. Police must have information what organisations are expected to organise possible violence against Hungarians. This must not happen! People must understand that it is not their (Hungarian minority) fault of the decisions taken by Budapest.

"“To equate members of a nation in Vojvodina with an EU member-state and its possible recognition of Kosovo is pure manipulation,” said Egereši."

I have to agree with this. Vojvodina Hungarians have nothing to do with Budapest and should not be targeted. I've heard reports today that Croatia, Hungary and even Bulgaria may recognize as early as tomorrow. If this does happen, we need to clearly differentiate between the people and the government.

I agree with Niall. The last thing anyone wants to see are riots in Novi Sad and Subotica. It's completely counterproductive.

Let me concur with the opinions of Niall and Mike.

This current Hungarian government is a bit of a disaster (remember the riots in 2006 and more trouble recently). The Hungarian people of Vojvodina are no more responsible for the actions of Gyurcsany's administration than Niall or I are for the actions of the Irish government.

Mike,

A blind man could see that Budapest's recognition of Pristina UDI is going to lead to tensions in Vojvodina. The best solution should have been for Budapest to conduct a bilateral agreement with Belgrade. The ethnic Hungarian politician is also spot on by disassociating himself from the actions of Budapest, but no matter what will happen you will get extremists looking to cause trouble.

"“To equate members of a nation in Vojvodina with an EU member-state and its possible recognition of Kosovo is pure manipulation,” said Egereši."

Wise words. I hope they also apply when the discussion turns to ethnic Albanians in Kosovo and Macedonia.

Yes, Hungary, Bulgaria, Croatia is a "done deal" this Wednesday:

http://hvg.hu/vilag/20080318_koszovo_magyarorszag_elismeres.aspx

What is interesting - Budapest just made a unilateral visa deal with USA undermining E.U. efforts to squeeze a better and pan-EU visa-free travel deal with America. Instead, some countries (and Hungary is one of these) signed a much worse deal this Monday. This link is about the Czech "deal":

http://hvg.eu/eu/20080307_new_visa_eu_member.aspx

But Hungarian "deel" as far as I know is worse because the percentage of Hungarians denied U.S. visa is above 10% threshold. Theoretically Hungary wouldn't be even qualified to sign - but America closed an eye on this.

Basically, Hungarian people would travel to USA without visa - but they have to apply for the admission on-line and it will be "probably free". This is as lousy as the Serbian-Russian visa deal but unlike the case between Serbia and Russia where probably the sheer incompetence of Serbian and Russian government is behind the lousiness - see my comment here:

http://xs4.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=48311#hrono

we can't say that Hungarian government does not know what they signing. I am sure, during the time of signing of visa-deal Kosovo was mentioned.

That reminds me of a Hungarian joke.
A lion ate a man and told his peers:
- "I just ate a Hungarian politician".
- "How you know, it was a Hungarian politician?"
- "He had no skin on his face and no backbone"

With a little twisted logic there is one benefit of Hungary recognizing Kosovo: from all surrounding countries it is the easiest to pursue to withdraw the recognition. Here Serbia has all the cards. But these cards can be played only if Serbia has a functioning government and Dubya gone: anyone (McCain, Obama, Clinton) would mean a healthier climate.

BTW: the PM is not Orbán Viktor but Gyurcsány Ferenc. O.V. is in the opposition.

The current political climate in Hungary is not pretty:

http://hvg.eu/hungary/20080311_hungary_referendum.aspx
http://hvg.eu/hungary/20080317_march_15_radical_nationalist.aspx

To Tom O'Donoghue:

Both Gyurcsány and Orbán favor (officially) the UDI. However, the entire mess about the recognition is on the shoulders of Kinga Gönz, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinga_Goncz

It is interesting to read her CV.

But let me stress out: there is no sympathy in Hungary with a terrorist banana-republic.

"Dear" Albanians, as I was in Kosovo you showed us your true face - I am busy to spread the word how that face looked like. "Thanks" for your hospitality, we never forget it.

"Let me tell you, this is just doing more and more harm to Serbia, thanks to radical parties. It gives government's who recentley and are going to recognize Kosova's Independence reasonable ground."

Indeed. The idea of one of Serbia's largest political parties saying that, nudge nudge wink wink, any decision by the Hungarian government to recognize Kosovo could make things difficult for ethnic Magyars in Vojvodina, Serbian citizens all, is breathtakingly stupid. Holding ethnic minorities responsible for actions of their notional national homelands is always that.

Do these people want Serbia to be isolated from its neighbours indefinitely?

Hungarian Vojvodina mustn't be intimidated by Serb violance.Hungary will recognize Kosova's independence, just like all the other nations have, in return we will support Hungarian Vojvodina's right to self determination. I'm sure Mr, Tom Lantos would then be proud of us,up in heaven with Mother Theresa, all.Hungarian and Albanian friends we are for ever.

Really stupid and provoking comment from SRS. How can you create tension between your own citizens like that? You cannot even blame hungarians in Hungary for the government's decisions or the french in France or the dutch in the Netherlands, needless to say hungarians in Serbia.

To those whom don't want to understand
Hungary is an independent European country and doesn't have to ask permission from Serbian whether to recognise or not Kosova's full independence.
One advise to the Serbian panel here. Treat you minorities with respect and do not provoke them.