As the saying goes, if it wasn't for the yankees, we would be speaking German now.
(Jan Andersen, DK, 18 March 2008 18:21)
Well, actually the whole eastern europe are now dancing to Germanys tunes.. Just look at the influence Germany have in EU and over many smaller countries, its more than Hitler would have ever wanted..
“…Americans soldiers that scarified their lives on European soil so that we could be free,… “
I have all respect for American efforts and sacrifice during the WWII, but, that shining moment is actually very unusual episode in the long line of American foreign military interventions. Practically all other conflicts where they were involved were imperialistic projects, basically war crimes against the third world. US is responsible for the deaths of uncounted millions of innocent civilians all over the globe, who died either in direct actions of US armed forces or convert actions of US secret services.
“… if it wasn't for the yankees, we would be speaking German now…”
It was joint effort, but if you really want to single one country out, that have to be SSSR. More then 70% of total German military casualties fell in the fighting with a Red Army. It is even more impressive when you know that all the best what Germans had, manpower and military hardware, were sent to the east … So, if you can’t speak the German and you are sorry for that, blame the Sovjets …
I agree with both of you. As a Pole I cannot say I feel equal to the Western part of the EU. Many of my friends with studies completed go to the West to do the dirty work that Westerners are too lazy to do, my country is a great investment opportunity and source of manual labor. I can think of a great expression as to what my country has become with regards to the West, we are a source of land for missile bases and investment and people for either manual labor or all the hard work in NATO (try and imagine some English or German soldier having to do the hard work that a Pole or Ukrainian is assigned to do, believe me, I know, I have friends in the army!), I just feel I cannot write it here. Use your imaginations. Ukraine will just be Poland, except bigger and more populated. I like to call it flavored colonialism.
It will be a long time before Poles, let alone Ukrainians, will ever be considered equal partners in the EU, the point I have been trying to make is that Serbia must be stronger than Poland (or what Ukraine are aiming for), go your own way, you don't need the EU. I am a qualified man and I struggle to make a living here, the average young, experienced and qualified Serb will have the same, either he will struggle in his own country or scrub shit off toilet bowls in the West.
Jan Andersen wrote "After I visited France many years ago, and saw the numerous graveyards, filled with white crosses with the names of Americans soldiers that scarified their lives on European soil so that we could be free, I am grateful that USA decided to send their brave young men to fight in my part of the world."
Well Jan, I do not think that the people in Vietnam were happy that in the 1960s and 1970s the Americans sent their brave men to fight in South East Asia!
“As the saying goes, if it wasn't for the yankees, we would be speaking German now.”
--Do you really believe in this? Maybe Danish would speak German but Serbs certainly not. Perhaps Yankess did save Western and Northern European countries since they just let German occupy them without any resist at first. Your sayings certainly do not apply to Serbs who resisted German occupation from the very beginning by all means as well as Russians. That is why there are so many human loses to both Serbian and Russian side. Of course, let’s not forget our European Jews who dearly paid by their lives, who were taken to the camps and exterminated while almost entire Europe collaborated with Nazis and just peacefully observed what the Nazis are doing with Jews.
Why was Europe waiting for that long, why the Yankees were waiting for that long? Why there was no more resist to German occupation? Had Europe been united and determined to oppose Nazis, the war wouldn't last for that long, many lives would have been saved. But Europe, as always choose to play chikens' games.
UNMIK,and KFOR are now hostile occupiers. Unfortunately, their front lines will consist of their poorer members. Ukraine, Hungary,Romania etc. It is a sacrifice that these countries are willing to make for their American masters.
No tears shed for Serb policemen killed by KLA? Legitimate targets? So, to the Ukraine, and others, membership has its privledges,. Enjoy!
Did you read about the 2 Danish soldiers who were killed in Afghanistan the other day? Also a Czech soldier as well. This shows how America gets everyone else to put their lives on the line for their own world agenda. Truly this is only the beginning of a new era in which America is aiming at surrounding Russia and causing problems within it and fully controlling the Middle East and its oil.
As for WWII, the fact is that American oil companies were fueling the Germans during WWII and the Germans wouldn't have made it so far in the first place if the American companies had cut them off.
What kind of agreement does the "Kosovo Ministry" expect in the case of the usurpers of the Mitrovica court? Apparently Rossin rejected Samardjic's demands, whatever they were. These people were not employed with the court, they lost their jobs in 1999, because they were part of the repressive Milosevic regime. On what basis they want to come back now, 9 years later, and demand their jobs? Did I miss something, is Milosevic back in power in Belgrade, for these people to want to reinstitute his regime? I don't get the reason for this whole incident, other than provoke a conflict out of the blue with UNMIK and KFOR. This is apparently the Serbian Secret plan, to incite conflict and violence, death and destruction. But it's not a new plan, they have been operating with it for nearly 2 decades in the Balkans.
"Sacrifising their lives instead of american lives in wichever part of the world that the americans decide to fight in."
After I visited France many years ago, and saw the numerous graveyards, filled with white crosses with the names of Americans soldiers that scarified their lives on European soil so that we could be free, I am grateful that USA decided to send their brave young men to fight in my part of the world.
As the saying goes, if it wasn't for the yankees, we would be speaking German now.
Why was Vukomanović shot in the head? Thats the real question. My deepest prayers go out to him and his family.
The forces in Kosovo are there to bring peace and not instigate violence (or maybe thats what they want)
Poland and the Ukraine are at the front lines because they are at the bottom of the European ladder. Just like at some corporation. You can call them secretarys.
There is NO such thing as slavs stick with slavs. If that were the case Serbs and Croats would be best of friends. Unfortunetly its a thing called religon. We need to get passed that!
nikshala
So how do u explain alban terrorism in 98? Thats right you cant! Nobody forced u to attack Serbs. After all no where near enough countries recognized you and therefor you will forever remain Serbian citizens. Deny it all you want but you know its true. CCCC
This is all due to soldiers and people from distant lands sticking their noses in the business and trying to run the lives of local people. They are mercenaries for the UN and NATO which are very biased and dominated by the U.S., Germany and Britain.
Why don't they mind their own countries' business?
And the soldiers did storm in the building - which was built by Serbs - and illegally arrest people who'd been deprived of their jobs and freedom of movement by the UN.
I will repeat what I said after the death of that young man in the US Embassy - will people please stop trying to score political points out of a needless death. You have plenty of other threads in which to vent your opinions.
According to KS (#33), "The soldier didn't "succumb", he DIED. The soldier didn't die because of Reucker but because of peace-loving Serbs who throw hand grenades at KFOR."
In defence of B92: It is likely that the soldier got wounded in the clashes, he was taken to hospital, doctors tried to save his life, after a while the poor soldier died from tissue damage. Because the soldier did not die instantly, the term "succumb" is used appropriately here.
The questionable thing about UNMIK is not about the make-up of the troops (although 'bmrusila' does have a point), it's about it's leadership.
UNMIK head, Joachim Ruecker has 'history' with people like Haradinaj & is a german. Germany has ties with the US, 'brussels' & now EULEX. It would be in it's interest to provide a commander who shares those views.
The rhetoric coming from Ruecker has been strongly supportive of the K-albanian UDI, as has been 'UNMIK's' interpretation of it's mandate umder Ruecker.
And now this latest action.
Acting on Thaci's instructions to arrest those protestors on the aniversary of the 2004 riots in a dawn raid. Idiocy? Or premeditation?
One would think that someone in his position of authority would not be an idiot, & a UN official would hardly want to stir up so much trouble.
that is terrible. :( condolences to his family and to the serb who got shot in the head as well... my heart goes out to anyone on all sides affected by this.
He shouldnt have been there in the first place. Only ones to blame are Berlin and Washington for the Ukrainian life lost. Ukraine should pull their troops out of whole Kosovo now.
(Cvele, 18 March 2008 16:06)
Typical response!
No Cvele you are wrong. The poeple responsible for the death of the Ukrainian policeman ,are the ones that killed him. in the same way that the people responsible for killings of civilians during the Balkan wars, are the ones that commited those atrocities.
My condolences to the family and friends of the deceased soldier. It also seems that Ćuća and Vukomanović may also succumb to their injuries too.
We've already had two deaths related to Kosovo - this soldier, and the Serb during the demonstrations a month ago. Let's all hope and pray that these are the only two we have to count.
Everyone better understand one thing here and understand it VERY clearly. No one, and i mean NO ONE... comes into OUR country tries to take it away from us and then arrest us and beat us when we try to get our jobs back and lead a normal life in OUR own country. Nato came to Serbia bombed us, broke all norms in international law and yesterday made a VERY stupid decision to storm a courthouse full of women and arrest them. I think we are lucky there wasn't MORE deaths on the foreign occupiers side. I'm sure if Serb soldiers came to occupy any western country and one of them were killed when raiding a building full of women who just want their jobs back you would all be singing a different tune.
Dear Andrej, why do you put in the same corner "Russians, Ukranians, Belorussian, Polaks and Greeks"?
Especially for Poland and Ukraine (at least the 51% per cent of the latter) I do not think that they could agree on being in the same side of the barricade along with Russians.
He shouldnt have been there in the first place. Only ones to blame are Berlin and Washington for the Ukrainian life lost. Ukraine should pull their troops out of whole Kosovo now.
In my post I did not express my sorrow just because he was Ukrainian. That is misinterpreted. Who ever lost the life is certainly sorrow.
All I suggested in addition is the value of the lives of an Ukrainian, Polish, American, French etc. Who ever lost the life is tragedy, which is not dispute. But what makes one wonder is to why in these kinds of events there are always Polls or Ukrainian in front lines? I know, and I am sure you know as well.But I guess it is easier for all of us to pretend that we don't know why is that!
i wonder where all of this forums pseudo-humanists have been during the murder of a few thousand serbs in the last 8 years?
it also makes me wonder where the forums part-time-moralists get the security that this cop was killed by serbs?
nato just has moral to attack unarmed/women/children, not just in mitrovica (irak, afghanistan, and others) and still manage to get in panic and therefore doing a favour to the civilized world (a.k.a. friendly fire)!
Maybe I am missing something, but I didnt think UNMIK had anything to do with NATO. KFOR is NATO, but the young man who was killed today was a UNMIK officer, which means he was under UN guidance. Please tell me how he died "serving american interests" or because the americans wont put their own soldiers on the front lines if he is a UN soldier.
I dont necessarily agree with the US' recognition of Kosovo, but I would like to see intelligent discussion on the subject, not emotional rants stated as fact.
The nationality of the peackeeper is irrelevant - i was being sarcastic!
My point is that, there is no excuse for the death of this man. KFOR and UN did not use any force, they arrested 53 serbs peacfuly who would have probably been released by the end of the day or week.
It is the 'peacful' serb protesters that attacked the UN and KFOR, by 'peacful' means! Imagine what would have happened if they actually used 'violent' means.
At the same time there are reports that the attack on the UN and KFOR was orchestrated and NOT spotaneous burst of anger, and there were intentions by the serbs to occupy more buildings in the north yesterday, to conicide with 17th of March and the visit byu Samardzic.
Yesterday i condemned the timing of the response, but I guess it was justufied if there were reports of more planned violent actions by serbs.
Another points, most serbs say they want russian troops or would prefer to have UN troops of neutral of 'friendly' nationalities, but when they are attacked, now they are asking why american or british or other european troops weren't there!
The reason why Ukrainian troops and Polish troops are there, is because if the UN troops were lets say, american, or croatian, or british, the death toll would have probably been higher.
Shame on ukranian government! Why did they dent their citizens to fight agains their brothers and to defend american intersts?! It's not Serbian fault, that that guy was sent to Serbia to help albanians. Serbs just defended their own home. Nothing personal, it was the ukranian choice, now they get the results. No one wanted him to go to Serbia, but his government.
But still our nations are together: Russians, Ukranians, Belorussian, Polaks and Greeks! We must be together to defend ourselves.
This is sad and regrettable. The man died obeying orders and doing an honourable job and we should send sympathy to his family.
You cannot change the minds of the locals through use of force - you can use force to suppress them however. In this case, the forceful intervention was 'talked up' by KFOR/UNMIC so it is not unsurprising that violence resulted. This was bad policing on their part.
Lets be clear: in this case, force was not used to maintain the peace, it was used to suppress the demonstrators. If peace were the goal then the proper police practice is to maintain a cordon and wait for the situation to resolve itself.
UNMIK should demilitarise its actions and stick as much as possible to non-violent policing. The EU must keep out - it is needless provocation.
It should be accepted that North Mitrovica is not going to be taken over by Albanian government and no further imposition of this notion should occur.
It is about time that Serb leaders replaced violence as their preferred method of currency. Twenty years in dealing with it in abundance towards other nationalities and now even towards international peacekeepers, seeing its after-effects all around them, should have made these people think twice. It is very easy to steer up nationalistic feelings but when it come to deal with the aftermath no one has a clear plan apart from not so secret, Secret plan of perpetual violence. This display of thuggish behaviour made some Serbs commentators very proud yesterday. Today we are still waiting from them for some degree of humility. Just ask yourselves this. Who will want to live in a place like north Mitrovica under this so-called secret plan? Not a family for sure. Make peace for the sake of your kids and ours.
Salam
Bmrusila,
Any loss of life is a sorrow, regardless of the ethnicity or culture. Making such 'conclusions' is nothing more than missing the point.
We all know that anarchy does no good to anybody. Please just recall the riots some weeks ago in Belgrade. Should they also continue? Finally, I would recommend you to get better information before giving premature conclusions!
Regards,
So finally B92 "succumbed" to Serb nationalism. Could you have least published the name of the UNMIK soldier who "succumbed to his injuries" instead of just giving us the names of the Serbs who are gravely injured.
May the unknown Ukrainian soldier rest in peace.
P.S. I guess you guys are too scared that your offices will be stoned again.
Unfortunately this is something that Ukraine and all NATO aspiring countries will have to get used to if they want to join NATO.
Sacrifising their lives instead of american lives in wichever part of the world that the americans decide to fight in.
Is it worth it? Certainly not for Serbia. I am sure some obedient politicians in eastern europe will profit from NATO membership but not the population.
To B92:
Yesterday in all your “objectivity” reports about Mitrovica turmoil you proved to be nothing else but extended arm of Tanjug aka Serbian propaganda machinery.
Not even once you mentioned the fact that Serbian were shooting and throwing grenades at UNMIK or KFOR for that matter. In contrary you helped incite violence by posting lies of know Serbian hard core nationalist who twisted every report and make it sounds how serbs were victims.
How far serbian propaganda is going to go embedding victim mentality in their own people will be determinant how far serbian society will progress in this world!
In the end of the day its Serbia who is getting ridiculed “with their holy war against USA” and isolated, not Japan, Germany, England neither China or Russia!!!!
Very recently, an UNMIK soldier from Ukraine was disciplined for displaying a Serb flag as an act of 'Slavic brotherly solidarity'. That is an action unlikely to be repeated.
The cowardice of using the cover of a demonstration to throw fragmentation grenades speaks volumes.
Doubt this would be the headline if a K-Serbs would be the dead one.
Show some respect and type "Died from yesterday's riot"
B92 you have been neutral all this time, stop being influenced by the nationalistic voices. You guys are the ONLY one every nationality likes to read from.
The death of this young man was shockingly downplayed by
using the technical sounding term "succumbs".
And he "succumbed" due to slavic brothers. How sad.
My condolences to his family.
Splendid Nikshala, showing the extent of your 'knowledge' once again.
The nationality of the dead 'peacekeeper' isn't an issue. Do you really think that nationality matters when fighting against an occupier? Do Iraqi insurgents ask coalition forces to fill out questionnaires before killing coaltion soldiers? Do they have a points system based upon nationality before killing an occupying soldier? You really think like a child.
It is terrible to hear of the death of any 'peacekeeper' regardless of nationalty. They are following orders from the people who are morally corrupt (their leaders and politicians). The irony is that the majority of 'peacekeepers' injured seem to be Ukrainian or Polish... both nations who oppose illegal independence whilst their governments have followed their US masters. Tusk in Poland has changed his views since writing about burnt Serbian homes next to Saudi built mosques.
Can someone explain me why are Polish & Ukrainian SOLDIERS in the front line ?
Yust seen on TV our troops in the Pec region practically doing nothing..We are always smart in avoiding danger zones...
Sorry to hear that an Ukrainian officer died because of injuries sustained during yesterday's clashes between UN-soldiers and K-Serbs. Although most people will blame K-Serbs for his death, UN commanders knew in advance that storming the court house and arresting the protesters would cause a fierce reaction from some Serbs. Why on earth did the UN commanders not negociate with the people occupying the court house?
Whats the excuse now? same as usual? - he provoked the serbs?
Or did Ukraine do something to Serbia in WW2, maybe in collaboration with Ustase?!
K.Serbs are again falling prey to political aims of serbian politicians - the only ones that gain from violence are DSS and the Radicals who want to keep Kosovo on the main news, and inflame nationalistic feelings so that they can win the elections. Thats the only hope Kostunica has in remaining in the goverment.
Kostunica & Co are using exactly the same tactics that Milosevic used, and we all know the end result of that.
Many serbs can't see past their anger, but the biggest losers from these actions of violence will the the serbs themselves. Déjà vu
Even if partition is acheived, which is unlikely, some serbs are forgeting that 60 % of K.Serbs live in the south of Iber, and their condition would only get worse with the partition of Kosovo. Also all the important serbian monuments are in the south as well.
But then again, it was never really about K.serbs, but it is about land and remaining in power, as far as some serbian politicians are concerened, and K. serbs are just pawns.
Couldn't B92 find another more poetic title than '..succumbs to injuries' ?
How about plain and simlpe: One UN policeman is dead. Murdered.
Good work from FSB agents who'se mission is to keep Serbia in 'dark ages'. Putin will make the Serbs everybodys enemy, he will buy your bussineses for half the price, he will sell you military equipment at double the price and 'the cradle of your civilisation' will still be GONE.
Yesterday was the 4th aniversary of the 2004 Kosovo riots, and yesterday was also the day that the head of UNMIK, Joachim Ruecker decided to authorise, in a dawn raid, the arrest & removal of the unarmed jurists protesting in the court-house at Kosovska Mitrovica.
'Blind Freddy' could have predicted the result.
Ruecker's tactics of aggressively asserting UNMIK's authority with the aim of providing 'stability & order' would be nothing short of laughable were it not for the 'human cost' of his actions.
The responsibility of the soldiers's death, along with all the other injuries incurred on both sides, lies squarely at his door.
Your german forebears would have been proud of you sir.
i am sorry for the lost of ukrain peacekeepers
i also feel sorry for all injured in mitrovica
i hope one day belgrade will let people leave in peace in kosova
enough pain and death
kosovo serbs have future in kosovo.i hope kosovo serbs will understand that soon
prishtina want you to live in peace and create a democratic system together.
Very sad indeed. What is even worse is that the Americans are putting up our brothers against us.
The Polish and Ukraine people are close to the Serbians and it just goes to show what joining NATO means. While the US puts their people in safe areas they have no problem putting up brother against brother.
Hopefully this event will allow the politicians to pull their forces out of Kosovo and to send a strong message back to the US and Germans telling them not to use violence against the Serbs ever again!
He died in the line of duty while protecting himself from peaceful demonstrators who used only hand grenades, AK47, Molotov cocktail to respond to teargas. This madness must stop immediately and perpetrators arrested.
17th of march 2008 would always be remembered as a day when terrorist group shot dead a UN police officer and injured another 70.
Yesterdays behaviour and todays death will lead to even more contries recognising Kosovo. Pictures of thugs attacking UN Police
wont get any sympathy for the Serbian cause. My sympathies go to the family of the Ukranian UN policeman.
May he rest in peace.
The irresponsibility of some Serbian politicians amazes me. They know the Kosova/o serbs feel they have been wronged and do not need much to channel their anger through violence. I think it was highly irresponsible of them to support the occupation of the court, because they all knew that UNMIK would act upon it and was going to regain the control of the court, and instead of trying to resolve the issue in some other way in order to avoid conflict and loss of life from either side, they encouraged the workers to continue doing what they were doing. It just shows how very concerned they are for serbs living in Kosova/o and their.
UNMIK and KFOR gave them a fair warning and waited for days in order to move in to the courts and they didn’t use any kind of violence against the protesters or the judicial workers (and don’t forget that serbs were continuously invited to join the same UNMIK that serbs are asking for now, since 1999). They would’ve been arrested, go to trial, get a “slap in the wrist” and no one would’ve had to get hurt and die.
On the other hand, it was irresponsible from Kosova/o institutions and UNMIK to act on March 17 exactly and I just hope it wasn’t done exactly in that date in order to spark the violence.
The first dead of all this mayhem after the independence of Kosovo was a victim of the agression by the Serb nationalists. Who will say now, to the eyes of the world, that the Albanian-speaking Kosovars were the first violent ones?
"Succumbs to injuries". What a nice description. Seems that is his fault to die. He could have not succumbed and still be alive. Yes right!!! Nice word selection of this article where utterance like "died","killed", "massacred", "shot dead" was not used at all because he was not from the serb side but from UNMIK side. that's why he "succumbed". Anyway, this poor Ukrainian officer did not disserve to "leave accidentally" our world. I wish there won't be any other casualties but if it happens I am really eager to see the use of words in the case of a serb victim... Definitely he/she won't "succumb"
I will first express my sorrow for the UNMIK police officer and condolences to the family.
Unfortunately this has happened and nothing can be done any longer to undo it. All this could have been avoided had Ruecker et al waited for a negotiations and some compromise. Why Ruecker decided to rush? On whose order he reacted the way he did? Whose interest was this kind of development of the situation? This must be fully investigated and hope investigation will be led by the experts coming from those countries that have neutral stand in regard to Kosovo’s status.
Now, I must add over here that in these kinds of situations Polish or now even Ukrainian special police forces are always sacrificed, never American, never French, never German but Polish and Ukrainian. Why did I say this? For the simple fact just to emphasize the difference in treatment of an American and Polish life. It seems that Polish life is cheaper than American and Ukrainian even cheaper.
Hope that Serbian police officers will survive and recover soon. I pray for their well-being.
my condolences to the family of the policeman. The police and KFOR should find and put to justice the "peaceful" huligans who did this. It is the 21st century, people! This is a shame.
I will first express my sorrow for the UNMIK police officer and condolences to the family.
Unfortunately this has happened and nothing can be done any longer to undo it. All this could have been avoided had Ruecker et al waited for a negotiations and some compromise. Why Ruecker decided to rush? On whose order he reacted the way he did? Whose interest was this kind of development of the situation? This must be fully investigated and hope investigation will be led by the experts coming from those countries that have neutral stand in regard to Kosovo’s status.
Now, I must add over here that in these kinds of situations Polish or now even Ukrainian special police forces are always sacrificed, never American, never French, never German but Polish and Ukrainian. Why did I say this? For the simple fact just to emphasize the difference in treatment of an American and Polish life. It seems that Polish life is cheaper than American and Ukrainian even cheaper.
Hope that Serbian police officers will survive and recover soon. I pray for their well-being.
Very sad indeed. What is even worse is that the Americans are putting up our brothers against us.
The Polish and Ukraine people are close to the Serbians and it just goes to show what joining NATO means. While the US puts their people in safe areas they have no problem putting up brother against brother.
Hopefully this event will allow the politicians to pull their forces out of Kosovo and to send a strong message back to the US and Germans telling them not to use violence against the Serbs ever again!
"Succumbs to injuries". What a nice description. Seems that is his fault to die. He could have not succumbed and still be alive. Yes right!!! Nice word selection of this article where utterance like "died","killed", "massacred", "shot dead" was not used at all because he was not from the serb side but from UNMIK side. that's why he "succumbed". Anyway, this poor Ukrainian officer did not disserve to "leave accidentally" our world. I wish there won't be any other casualties but if it happens I am really eager to see the use of words in the case of a serb victim... Definitely he/she won't "succumb"
my condolences to the family of the policeman. The police and KFOR should find and put to justice the "peaceful" huligans who did this. It is the 21st century, people! This is a shame.
Sorry to hear that an Ukrainian officer died because of injuries sustained during yesterday's clashes between UN-soldiers and K-Serbs. Although most people will blame K-Serbs for his death, UN commanders knew in advance that storming the court house and arresting the protesters would cause a fierce reaction from some Serbs. Why on earth did the UN commanders not negociate with the people occupying the court house?
Shame on ukranian government! Why did they dent their citizens to fight agains their brothers and to defend american intersts?! It's not Serbian fault, that that guy was sent to Serbia to help albanians. Serbs just defended their own home. Nothing personal, it was the ukranian choice, now they get the results. No one wanted him to go to Serbia, but his government.
But still our nations are together: Russians, Ukranians, Belorussian, Polaks and Greeks! We must be together to defend ourselves.
Splendid Nikshala, showing the extent of your 'knowledge' once again.
The nationality of the dead 'peacekeeper' isn't an issue. Do you really think that nationality matters when fighting against an occupier? Do Iraqi insurgents ask coalition forces to fill out questionnaires before killing coaltion soldiers? Do they have a points system based upon nationality before killing an occupying soldier? You really think like a child.
It is terrible to hear of the death of any 'peacekeeper' regardless of nationalty. They are following orders from the people who are morally corrupt (their leaders and politicians). The irony is that the majority of 'peacekeepers' injured seem to be Ukrainian or Polish... both nations who oppose illegal independence whilst their governments have followed their US masters. Tusk in Poland has changed his views since writing about burnt Serbian homes next to Saudi built mosques.
May he rest in peace.
The irresponsibility of some Serbian politicians amazes me. They know the Kosova/o serbs feel they have been wronged and do not need much to channel their anger through violence. I think it was highly irresponsible of them to support the occupation of the court, because they all knew that UNMIK would act upon it and was going to regain the control of the court, and instead of trying to resolve the issue in some other way in order to avoid conflict and loss of life from either side, they encouraged the workers to continue doing what they were doing. It just shows how very concerned they are for serbs living in Kosova/o and their.
UNMIK and KFOR gave them a fair warning and waited for days in order to move in to the courts and they didn’t use any kind of violence against the protesters or the judicial workers (and don’t forget that serbs were continuously invited to join the same UNMIK that serbs are asking for now, since 1999). They would’ve been arrested, go to trial, get a “slap in the wrist” and no one would’ve had to get hurt and die.
On the other hand, it was irresponsible from Kosova/o institutions and UNMIK to act on March 17 exactly and I just hope it wasn’t done exactly in that date in order to spark the violence.
The first dead of all this mayhem after the independence of Kosovo was a victim of the agression by the Serb nationalists. Who will say now, to the eyes of the world, that the Albanian-speaking Kosovars were the first violent ones?
Yesterdays behaviour and todays death will lead to even more contries recognising Kosovo. Pictures of thugs attacking UN Police
wont get any sympathy for the Serbian cause. My sympathies go to the family of the Ukranian UN policeman.
Yesterday was the 4th aniversary of the 2004 Kosovo riots, and yesterday was also the day that the head of UNMIK, Joachim Ruecker decided to authorise, in a dawn raid, the arrest & removal of the unarmed jurists protesting in the court-house at Kosovska Mitrovica.
'Blind Freddy' could have predicted the result.
Ruecker's tactics of aggressively asserting UNMIK's authority with the aim of providing 'stability & order' would be nothing short of laughable were it not for the 'human cost' of his actions.
The responsibility of the soldiers's death, along with all the other injuries incurred on both sides, lies squarely at his door.
Your german forebears would have been proud of you sir.
Everyone better understand one thing here and understand it VERY clearly. No one, and i mean NO ONE... comes into OUR country tries to take it away from us and then arrest us and beat us when we try to get our jobs back and lead a normal life in OUR own country. Nato came to Serbia bombed us, broke all norms in international law and yesterday made a VERY stupid decision to storm a courthouse full of women and arrest them. I think we are lucky there wasn't MORE deaths on the foreign occupiers side. I'm sure if Serb soldiers came to occupy any western country and one of them were killed when raiding a building full of women who just want their jobs back you would all be singing a different tune.
Whats the excuse now? same as usual? - he provoked the serbs?
Or did Ukraine do something to Serbia in WW2, maybe in collaboration with Ustase?!
K.Serbs are again falling prey to political aims of serbian politicians - the only ones that gain from violence are DSS and the Radicals who want to keep Kosovo on the main news, and inflame nationalistic feelings so that they can win the elections. Thats the only hope Kostunica has in remaining in the goverment.
Kostunica & Co are using exactly the same tactics that Milosevic used, and we all know the end result of that.
Many serbs can't see past their anger, but the biggest losers from these actions of violence will the the serbs themselves. Déjà vu
Even if partition is acheived, which is unlikely, some serbs are forgeting that 60 % of K.Serbs live in the south of Iber, and their condition would only get worse with the partition of Kosovo. Also all the important serbian monuments are in the south as well.
But then again, it was never really about K.serbs, but it is about land and remaining in power, as far as some serbian politicians are concerened, and K. serbs are just pawns.
i wonder where all of this forums pseudo-humanists have been during the murder of a few thousand serbs in the last 8 years?
it also makes me wonder where the forums part-time-moralists get the security that this cop was killed by serbs?
nato just has moral to attack unarmed/women/children, not just in mitrovica (irak, afghanistan, and others) and still manage to get in panic and therefore doing a favour to the civilized world (a.k.a. friendly fire)!
Couldn't B92 find another more poetic title than '..succumbs to injuries' ?
How about plain and simlpe: One UN policeman is dead. Murdered.
Good work from FSB agents who'se mission is to keep Serbia in 'dark ages'. Putin will make the Serbs everybodys enemy, he will buy your bussineses for half the price, he will sell you military equipment at double the price and 'the cradle of your civilisation' will still be GONE.
This is sad and regrettable. The man died obeying orders and doing an honourable job and we should send sympathy to his family.
You cannot change the minds of the locals through use of force - you can use force to suppress them however. In this case, the forceful intervention was 'talked up' by KFOR/UNMIC so it is not unsurprising that violence resulted. This was bad policing on their part.
Lets be clear: in this case, force was not used to maintain the peace, it was used to suppress the demonstrators. If peace were the goal then the proper police practice is to maintain a cordon and wait for the situation to resolve itself.
UNMIK should demilitarise its actions and stick as much as possible to non-violent policing. The EU must keep out - it is needless provocation.
It should be accepted that North Mitrovica is not going to be taken over by Albanian government and no further imposition of this notion should occur.
i am sorry for the lost of ukrain peacekeepers
i also feel sorry for all injured in mitrovica
i hope one day belgrade will let people leave in peace in kosova
enough pain and death
kosovo serbs have future in kosovo.i hope kosovo serbs will understand that soon
prishtina want you to live in peace and create a democratic system together.
Unfortunately this is something that Ukraine and all NATO aspiring countries will have to get used to if they want to join NATO.
Sacrifising their lives instead of american lives in wichever part of the world that the americans decide to fight in.
Is it worth it? Certainly not for Serbia. I am sure some obedient politicians in eastern europe will profit from NATO membership but not the population.
According to KS (#33), "The soldier didn't "succumb", he DIED. The soldier didn't die because of Reucker but because of peace-loving Serbs who throw hand grenades at KFOR."
In defence of B92: It is likely that the soldier got wounded in the clashes, he was taken to hospital, doctors tried to save his life, after a while the poor soldier died from tissue damage. Because the soldier did not die instantly, the term "succumb" is used appropriately here.
This is all due to soldiers and people from distant lands sticking their noses in the business and trying to run the lives of local people. They are mercenaries for the UN and NATO which are very biased and dominated by the U.S., Germany and Britain.
Why don't they mind their own countries' business?
And the soldiers did storm in the building - which was built by Serbs - and illegally arrest people who'd been deprived of their jobs and freedom of movement by the UN.
Why was Vukomanović shot in the head? Thats the real question. My deepest prayers go out to him and his family.
The forces in Kosovo are there to bring peace and not instigate violence (or maybe thats what they want)
Poland and the Ukraine are at the front lines because they are at the bottom of the European ladder. Just like at some corporation. You can call them secretarys.
There is NO such thing as slavs stick with slavs. If that were the case Serbs and Croats would be best of friends. Unfortunetly its a thing called religon. We need to get passed that!
I agree with both of you. As a Pole I cannot say I feel equal to the Western part of the EU. Many of my friends with studies completed go to the West to do the dirty work that Westerners are too lazy to do, my country is a great investment opportunity and source of manual labor. I can think of a great expression as to what my country has become with regards to the West, we are a source of land for missile bases and investment and people for either manual labor or all the hard work in NATO (try and imagine some English or German soldier having to do the hard work that a Pole or Ukrainian is assigned to do, believe me, I know, I have friends in the army!), I just feel I cannot write it here. Use your imaginations. Ukraine will just be Poland, except bigger and more populated. I like to call it flavored colonialism.
It will be a long time before Poles, let alone Ukrainians, will ever be considered equal partners in the EU, the point I have been trying to make is that Serbia must be stronger than Poland (or what Ukraine are aiming for), go your own way, you don't need the EU. I am a qualified man and I struggle to make a living here, the average young, experienced and qualified Serb will have the same, either he will struggle in his own country or scrub shit off toilet bowls in the West.
He died in the line of duty while protecting himself from peaceful demonstrators who used only hand grenades, AK47, Molotov cocktail to respond to teargas. This madness must stop immediately and perpetrators arrested.
17th of march 2008 would always be remembered as a day when terrorist group shot dead a UN police officer and injured another 70.
In my post I did not express my sorrow just because he was Ukrainian. That is misinterpreted. Who ever lost the life is certainly sorrow.
All I suggested in addition is the value of the lives of an Ukrainian, Polish, American, French etc. Who ever lost the life is tragedy, which is not dispute. But what makes one wonder is to why in these kinds of events there are always Polls or Ukrainian in front lines? I know, and I am sure you know as well.But I guess it is easier for all of us to pretend that we don't know why is that!
I will repeat what I said after the death of that young man in the US Embassy - will people please stop trying to score political points out of a needless death. You have plenty of other threads in which to vent your opinions.
He shouldnt have been there in the first place. Only ones to blame are Berlin and Washington for the Ukrainian life lost. Ukraine should pull their troops out of whole Kosovo now.
The questionable thing about UNMIK is not about the make-up of the troops (although 'bmrusila' does have a point), it's about it's leadership.
UNMIK head, Joachim Ruecker has 'history' with people like Haradinaj & is a german. Germany has ties with the US, 'brussels' & now EULEX. It would be in it's interest to provide a commander who shares those views.
The rhetoric coming from Ruecker has been strongly supportive of the K-albanian UDI, as has been 'UNMIK's' interpretation of it's mandate umder Ruecker.
And now this latest action.
Acting on Thaci's instructions to arrest those protestors on the aniversary of the 2004 riots in a dawn raid. Idiocy? Or premeditation?
One would think that someone in his position of authority would not be an idiot, & a UN official would hardly want to stir up so much trouble.
nikshala
So how do u explain alban terrorism in 98? Thats right you cant! Nobody forced u to attack Serbs. After all no where near enough countries recognized you and therefor you will forever remain Serbian citizens. Deny it all you want but you know its true. CCCC
“As the saying goes, if it wasn't for the yankees, we would be speaking German now.”
--Do you really believe in this? Maybe Danish would speak German but Serbs certainly not. Perhaps Yankess did save Western and Northern European countries since they just let German occupy them without any resist at first. Your sayings certainly do not apply to Serbs who resisted German occupation from the very beginning by all means as well as Russians. That is why there are so many human loses to both Serbian and Russian side. Of course, let’s not forget our European Jews who dearly paid by their lives, who were taken to the camps and exterminated while almost entire Europe collaborated with Nazis and just peacefully observed what the Nazis are doing with Jews.
Why was Europe waiting for that long, why the Yankees were waiting for that long? Why there was no more resist to German occupation? Had Europe been united and determined to oppose Nazis, the war wouldn't last for that long, many lives would have been saved. But Europe, as always choose to play chikens' games.
Doubt this would be the headline if a K-Serbs would be the dead one.
Show some respect and type "Died from yesterday's riot"
B92 you have been neutral all this time, stop being influenced by the nationalistic voices. You guys are the ONLY one every nationality likes to read from.
My condolences to the family and friends of the deceased soldier. It also seems that Ćuća and Vukomanović may also succumb to their injuries too.
We've already had two deaths related to Kosovo - this soldier, and the Serb during the demonstrations a month ago. Let's all hope and pray that these are the only two we have to count.
The nationality of the peackeeper is irrelevant - i was being sarcastic!
My point is that, there is no excuse for the death of this man. KFOR and UN did not use any force, they arrested 53 serbs peacfuly who would have probably been released by the end of the day or week.
It is the 'peacful' serb protesters that attacked the UN and KFOR, by 'peacful' means! Imagine what would have happened if they actually used 'violent' means.
At the same time there are reports that the attack on the UN and KFOR was orchestrated and NOT spotaneous burst of anger, and there were intentions by the serbs to occupy more buildings in the north yesterday, to conicide with 17th of March and the visit byu Samardzic.
Yesterday i condemned the timing of the response, but I guess it was justufied if there were reports of more planned violent actions by serbs.
Another points, most serbs say they want russian troops or would prefer to have UN troops of neutral of 'friendly' nationalities, but when they are attacked, now they are asking why american or british or other european troops weren't there!
The reason why Ukrainian troops and Polish troops are there, is because if the UN troops were lets say, american, or croatian, or british, the death toll would have probably been higher.
Jan Andersen wrote "After I visited France many years ago, and saw the numerous graveyards, filled with white crosses with the names of Americans soldiers that scarified their lives on European soil so that we could be free, I am grateful that USA decided to send their brave young men to fight in my part of the world."
Well Jan, I do not think that the people in Vietnam were happy that in the 1960s and 1970s the Americans sent their brave men to fight in South East Asia!
To B92:
Yesterday in all your “objectivity” reports about Mitrovica turmoil you proved to be nothing else but extended arm of Tanjug aka Serbian propaganda machinery.
Not even once you mentioned the fact that Serbian were shooting and throwing grenades at UNMIK or KFOR for that matter. In contrary you helped incite violence by posting lies of know Serbian hard core nationalist who twisted every report and make it sounds how serbs were victims.
How far serbian propaganda is going to go embedding victim mentality in their own people will be determinant how far serbian society will progress in this world!
In the end of the day its Serbia who is getting ridiculed “with their holy war against USA” and isolated, not Japan, Germany, England neither China or Russia!!!!
So finally B92 "succumbed" to Serb nationalism. Could you have least published the name of the UNMIK soldier who "succumbed to his injuries" instead of just giving us the names of the Serbs who are gravely injured.
May the unknown Ukrainian soldier rest in peace.
P.S. I guess you guys are too scared that your offices will be stoned again.
The death of this young man was shockingly downplayed by
using the technical sounding term "succumbs".
And he "succumbed" due to slavic brothers. How sad.
My condolences to his family.
He shouldnt have been there in the first place. Only ones to blame are Berlin and Washington for the Ukrainian life lost. Ukraine should pull their troops out of whole Kosovo now.
(Cvele, 18 March 2008 16:06)
Typical response!
No Cvele you are wrong. The poeple responsible for the death of the Ukrainian policeman ,are the ones that killed him. in the same way that the people responsible for killings of civilians during the Balkan wars, are the ones that commited those atrocities.
It is about time that Serb leaders replaced violence as their preferred method of currency. Twenty years in dealing with it in abundance towards other nationalities and now even towards international peacekeepers, seeing its after-effects all around them, should have made these people think twice. It is very easy to steer up nationalistic feelings but when it come to deal with the aftermath no one has a clear plan apart from not so secret, Secret plan of perpetual violence. This display of thuggish behaviour made some Serbs commentators very proud yesterday. Today we are still waiting from them for some degree of humility. Just ask yourselves this. Who will want to live in a place like north Mitrovica under this so-called secret plan? Not a family for sure. Make peace for the sake of your kids and ours.
Salam
Maybe I am missing something, but I didnt think UNMIK had anything to do with NATO. KFOR is NATO, but the young man who was killed today was a UNMIK officer, which means he was under UN guidance. Please tell me how he died "serving american interests" or because the americans wont put their own soldiers on the front lines if he is a UN soldier.
I dont necessarily agree with the US' recognition of Kosovo, but I would like to see intelligent discussion on the subject, not emotional rants stated as fact.
Did you read about the 2 Danish soldiers who were killed in Afghanistan the other day? Also a Czech soldier as well. This shows how America gets everyone else to put their lives on the line for their own world agenda. Truly this is only the beginning of a new era in which America is aiming at surrounding Russia and causing problems within it and fully controlling the Middle East and its oil.
As for WWII, the fact is that American oil companies were fueling the Germans during WWII and the Germans wouldn't have made it so far in the first place if the American companies had cut them off.
Can someone explain me why are Polish & Ukrainian SOLDIERS in the front line ?
Yust seen on TV our troops in the Pec region practically doing nothing..We are always smart in avoiding danger zones...
UNMIK,and KFOR are now hostile occupiers. Unfortunately, their front lines will consist of their poorer members. Ukraine, Hungary,Romania etc. It is a sacrifice that these countries are willing to make for their American masters.
No tears shed for Serb policemen killed by KLA? Legitimate targets? So, to the Ukraine, and others, membership has its privledges,. Enjoy!
As the saying goes, if it wasn't for the yankees, we would be speaking German now.
(Jan Andersen, DK, 18 March 2008 18:21)
Well, actually the whole eastern europe are now dancing to Germanys tunes.. Just look at the influence Germany have in EU and over many smaller countries, its more than Hitler would have ever wanted..
Very recently, an UNMIK soldier from Ukraine was disciplined for displaying a Serb flag as an act of 'Slavic brotherly solidarity'. That is an action unlikely to be repeated.
The cowardice of using the cover of a demonstration to throw fragmentation grenades speaks volumes.
Dear Andrej, why do you put in the same corner "Russians, Ukranians, Belorussian, Polaks and Greeks"?
Especially for Poland and Ukraine (at least the 51% per cent of the latter) I do not think that they could agree on being in the same side of the barricade along with Russians.
"Sacrifising their lives instead of american lives in wichever part of the world that the americans decide to fight in."
After I visited France many years ago, and saw the numerous graveyards, filled with white crosses with the names of Americans soldiers that scarified their lives on European soil so that we could be free, I am grateful that USA decided to send their brave young men to fight in my part of the world.
As the saying goes, if it wasn't for the yankees, we would be speaking German now.
“…Americans soldiers that scarified their lives on European soil so that we could be free,… “
I have all respect for American efforts and sacrifice during the WWII, but, that shining moment is actually very unusual episode in the long line of American foreign military interventions. Practically all other conflicts where they were involved were imperialistic projects, basically war crimes against the third world. US is responsible for the deaths of uncounted millions of innocent civilians all over the globe, who died either in direct actions of US armed forces or convert actions of US secret services.
“… if it wasn't for the yankees, we would be speaking German now…”
It was joint effort, but if you really want to single one country out, that have to be SSSR. More then 70% of total German military casualties fell in the fighting with a Red Army. It is even more impressive when you know that all the best what Germans had, manpower and military hardware, were sent to the east … So, if you can’t speak the German and you are sorry for that, blame the Sovjets …
Bmrusila,
Any loss of life is a sorrow, regardless of the ethnicity or culture. Making such 'conclusions' is nothing more than missing the point.
We all know that anarchy does no good to anybody. Please just recall the riots some weeks ago in Belgrade. Should they also continue? Finally, I would recommend you to get better information before giving premature conclusions!
Regards,
that is terrible. :( condolences to his family and to the serb who got shot in the head as well... my heart goes out to anyone on all sides affected by this.
What kind of agreement does the "Kosovo Ministry" expect in the case of the usurpers of the Mitrovica court? Apparently Rossin rejected Samardjic's demands, whatever they were. These people were not employed with the court, they lost their jobs in 1999, because they were part of the repressive Milosevic regime. On what basis they want to come back now, 9 years later, and demand their jobs? Did I miss something, is Milosevic back in power in Belgrade, for these people to want to reinstitute his regime? I don't get the reason for this whole incident, other than provoke a conflict out of the blue with UNMIK and KFOR. This is apparently the Serbian Secret plan, to incite conflict and violence, death and destruction. But it's not a new plan, they have been operating with it for nearly 2 decades in the Balkans.
The first dead of all this mayhem after the independence of Kosovo was a victim of the agression by the Serb nationalists. Who will say now, to the eyes of the world, that the Albanian-speaking Kosovars were the first violent ones?
"Succumbs to injuries". What a nice description. Seems that is his fault to die. He could have not succumbed and still be alive. Yes right!!! Nice word selection of this article where utterance like "died","killed", "massacred", "shot dead" was not used at all because he was not from the serb side but from UNMIK side. that's why he "succumbed". Anyway, this poor Ukrainian officer did not disserve to "leave accidentally" our world. I wish there won't be any other casualties but if it happens I am really eager to see the use of words in the case of a serb victim... Definitely he/she won't "succumb"
my condolences to the family of the policeman. The police and KFOR should find and put to justice the "peaceful" huligans who did this. It is the 21st century, people! This is a shame.
He died in the line of duty while protecting himself from peaceful demonstrators who used only hand grenades, AK47, Molotov cocktail to respond to teargas. This madness must stop immediately and perpetrators arrested.
17th of march 2008 would always be remembered as a day when terrorist group shot dead a UN police officer and injured another 70.
i am sorry for the lost of ukrain peacekeepers
i also feel sorry for all injured in mitrovica
i hope one day belgrade will let people leave in peace in kosova
enough pain and death
kosovo serbs have future in kosovo.i hope kosovo serbs will understand that soon
prishtina want you to live in peace and create a democratic system together.
May he rest in peace.
The irresponsibility of some Serbian politicians amazes me. They know the Kosova/o serbs feel they have been wronged and do not need much to channel their anger through violence. I think it was highly irresponsible of them to support the occupation of the court, because they all knew that UNMIK would act upon it and was going to regain the control of the court, and instead of trying to resolve the issue in some other way in order to avoid conflict and loss of life from either side, they encouraged the workers to continue doing what they were doing. It just shows how very concerned they are for serbs living in Kosova/o and their.
UNMIK and KFOR gave them a fair warning and waited for days in order to move in to the courts and they didn’t use any kind of violence against the protesters or the judicial workers (and don’t forget that serbs were continuously invited to join the same UNMIK that serbs are asking for now, since 1999). They would’ve been arrested, go to trial, get a “slap in the wrist” and no one would’ve had to get hurt and die.
On the other hand, it was irresponsible from Kosova/o institutions and UNMIK to act on March 17 exactly and I just hope it wasn’t done exactly in that date in order to spark the violence.
Whats the excuse now? same as usual? - he provoked the serbs?
Or did Ukraine do something to Serbia in WW2, maybe in collaboration with Ustase?!
K.Serbs are again falling prey to political aims of serbian politicians - the only ones that gain from violence are DSS and the Radicals who want to keep Kosovo on the main news, and inflame nationalistic feelings so that they can win the elections. Thats the only hope Kostunica has in remaining in the goverment.
Kostunica & Co are using exactly the same tactics that Milosevic used, and we all know the end result of that.
Many serbs can't see past their anger, but the biggest losers from these actions of violence will the the serbs themselves. Déjà vu
Even if partition is acheived, which is unlikely, some serbs are forgeting that 60 % of K.Serbs live in the south of Iber, and their condition would only get worse with the partition of Kosovo. Also all the important serbian monuments are in the south as well.
But then again, it was never really about K.serbs, but it is about land and remaining in power, as far as some serbian politicians are concerened, and K. serbs are just pawns.
Couldn't B92 find another more poetic title than '..succumbs to injuries' ?
How about plain and simlpe: One UN policeman is dead. Murdered.
Good work from FSB agents who'se mission is to keep Serbia in 'dark ages'. Putin will make the Serbs everybodys enemy, he will buy your bussineses for half the price, he will sell you military equipment at double the price and 'the cradle of your civilisation' will still be GONE.
So finally B92 "succumbed" to Serb nationalism. Could you have least published the name of the UNMIK soldier who "succumbed to his injuries" instead of just giving us the names of the Serbs who are gravely injured.
May the unknown Ukrainian soldier rest in peace.
P.S. I guess you guys are too scared that your offices will be stoned again.
Yesterdays behaviour and todays death will lead to even more contries recognising Kosovo. Pictures of thugs attacking UN Police
wont get any sympathy for the Serbian cause. My sympathies go to the family of the Ukranian UN policeman.
The death of this young man was shockingly downplayed by
using the technical sounding term "succumbs".
And he "succumbed" due to slavic brothers. How sad.
My condolences to his family.
To B92:
Yesterday in all your “objectivity” reports about Mitrovica turmoil you proved to be nothing else but extended arm of Tanjug aka Serbian propaganda machinery.
Not even once you mentioned the fact that Serbian were shooting and throwing grenades at UNMIK or KFOR for that matter. In contrary you helped incite violence by posting lies of know Serbian hard core nationalist who twisted every report and make it sounds how serbs were victims.
How far serbian propaganda is going to go embedding victim mentality in their own people will be determinant how far serbian society will progress in this world!
In the end of the day its Serbia who is getting ridiculed “with their holy war against USA” and isolated, not Japan, Germany, England neither China or Russia!!!!
Very sad indeed. What is even worse is that the Americans are putting up our brothers against us.
The Polish and Ukraine people are close to the Serbians and it just goes to show what joining NATO means. While the US puts their people in safe areas they have no problem putting up brother against brother.
Hopefully this event will allow the politicians to pull their forces out of Kosovo and to send a strong message back to the US and Germans telling them not to use violence against the Serbs ever again!
Bmrusila,
Any loss of life is a sorrow, regardless of the ethnicity or culture. Making such 'conclusions' is nothing more than missing the point.
We all know that anarchy does no good to anybody. Please just recall the riots some weeks ago in Belgrade. Should they also continue? Finally, I would recommend you to get better information before giving premature conclusions!
Regards,
The nationality of the peackeeper is irrelevant - i was being sarcastic!
My point is that, there is no excuse for the death of this man. KFOR and UN did not use any force, they arrested 53 serbs peacfuly who would have probably been released by the end of the day or week.
It is the 'peacful' serb protesters that attacked the UN and KFOR, by 'peacful' means! Imagine what would have happened if they actually used 'violent' means.
At the same time there are reports that the attack on the UN and KFOR was orchestrated and NOT spotaneous burst of anger, and there were intentions by the serbs to occupy more buildings in the north yesterday, to conicide with 17th of March and the visit byu Samardzic.
Yesterday i condemned the timing of the response, but I guess it was justufied if there were reports of more planned violent actions by serbs.
Another points, most serbs say they want russian troops or would prefer to have UN troops of neutral of 'friendly' nationalities, but when they are attacked, now they are asking why american or british or other european troops weren't there!
The reason why Ukrainian troops and Polish troops are there, is because if the UN troops were lets say, american, or croatian, or british, the death toll would have probably been higher.
It is about time that Serb leaders replaced violence as their preferred method of currency. Twenty years in dealing with it in abundance towards other nationalities and now even towards international peacekeepers, seeing its after-effects all around them, should have made these people think twice. It is very easy to steer up nationalistic feelings but when it come to deal with the aftermath no one has a clear plan apart from not so secret, Secret plan of perpetual violence. This display of thuggish behaviour made some Serbs commentators very proud yesterday. Today we are still waiting from them for some degree of humility. Just ask yourselves this. Who will want to live in a place like north Mitrovica under this so-called secret plan? Not a family for sure. Make peace for the sake of your kids and ours.
Salam
Doubt this would be the headline if a K-Serbs would be the dead one.
Show some respect and type "Died from yesterday's riot"
B92 you have been neutral all this time, stop being influenced by the nationalistic voices. You guys are the ONLY one every nationality likes to read from.
He shouldnt have been there in the first place. Only ones to blame are Berlin and Washington for the Ukrainian life lost. Ukraine should pull their troops out of whole Kosovo now.
(Cvele, 18 March 2008 16:06)
Typical response!
No Cvele you are wrong. The poeple responsible for the death of the Ukrainian policeman ,are the ones that killed him. in the same way that the people responsible for killings of civilians during the Balkan wars, are the ones that commited those atrocities.
"Sacrifising their lives instead of american lives in wichever part of the world that the americans decide to fight in."
After I visited France many years ago, and saw the numerous graveyards, filled with white crosses with the names of Americans soldiers that scarified their lives on European soil so that we could be free, I am grateful that USA decided to send their brave young men to fight in my part of the world.
As the saying goes, if it wasn't for the yankees, we would be speaking German now.
Very recently, an UNMIK soldier from Ukraine was disciplined for displaying a Serb flag as an act of 'Slavic brotherly solidarity'. That is an action unlikely to be repeated.
The cowardice of using the cover of a demonstration to throw fragmentation grenades speaks volumes.
Dear Andrej, why do you put in the same corner "Russians, Ukranians, Belorussian, Polaks and Greeks"?
Especially for Poland and Ukraine (at least the 51% per cent of the latter) I do not think that they could agree on being in the same side of the barricade along with Russians.
What kind of agreement does the "Kosovo Ministry" expect in the case of the usurpers of the Mitrovica court? Apparently Rossin rejected Samardjic's demands, whatever they were. These people were not employed with the court, they lost their jobs in 1999, because they were part of the repressive Milosevic regime. On what basis they want to come back now, 9 years later, and demand their jobs? Did I miss something, is Milosevic back in power in Belgrade, for these people to want to reinstitute his regime? I don't get the reason for this whole incident, other than provoke a conflict out of the blue with UNMIK and KFOR. This is apparently the Serbian Secret plan, to incite conflict and violence, death and destruction. But it's not a new plan, they have been operating with it for nearly 2 decades in the Balkans.
I will first express my sorrow for the UNMIK police officer and condolences to the family.
Unfortunately this has happened and nothing can be done any longer to undo it. All this could have been avoided had Ruecker et al waited for a negotiations and some compromise. Why Ruecker decided to rush? On whose order he reacted the way he did? Whose interest was this kind of development of the situation? This must be fully investigated and hope investigation will be led by the experts coming from those countries that have neutral stand in regard to Kosovo’s status.
Now, I must add over here that in these kinds of situations Polish or now even Ukrainian special police forces are always sacrificed, never American, never French, never German but Polish and Ukrainian. Why did I say this? For the simple fact just to emphasize the difference in treatment of an American and Polish life. It seems that Polish life is cheaper than American and Ukrainian even cheaper.
Hope that Serbian police officers will survive and recover soon. I pray for their well-being.
Yesterday was the 4th aniversary of the 2004 Kosovo riots, and yesterday was also the day that the head of UNMIK, Joachim Ruecker decided to authorise, in a dawn raid, the arrest & removal of the unarmed jurists protesting in the court-house at Kosovska Mitrovica.
'Blind Freddy' could have predicted the result.
Ruecker's tactics of aggressively asserting UNMIK's authority with the aim of providing 'stability & order' would be nothing short of laughable were it not for the 'human cost' of his actions.
The responsibility of the soldiers's death, along with all the other injuries incurred on both sides, lies squarely at his door.
Your german forebears would have been proud of you sir.
Splendid Nikshala, showing the extent of your 'knowledge' once again.
The nationality of the dead 'peacekeeper' isn't an issue. Do you really think that nationality matters when fighting against an occupier? Do Iraqi insurgents ask coalition forces to fill out questionnaires before killing coaltion soldiers? Do they have a points system based upon nationality before killing an occupying soldier? You really think like a child.
It is terrible to hear of the death of any 'peacekeeper' regardless of nationalty. They are following orders from the people who are morally corrupt (their leaders and politicians). The irony is that the majority of 'peacekeepers' injured seem to be Ukrainian or Polish... both nations who oppose illegal independence whilst their governments have followed their US masters. Tusk in Poland has changed his views since writing about burnt Serbian homes next to Saudi built mosques.
Shame on ukranian government! Why did they dent their citizens to fight agains their brothers and to defend american intersts?! It's not Serbian fault, that that guy was sent to Serbia to help albanians. Serbs just defended their own home. Nothing personal, it was the ukranian choice, now they get the results. No one wanted him to go to Serbia, but his government.
But still our nations are together: Russians, Ukranians, Belorussian, Polaks and Greeks! We must be together to defend ourselves.
Sorry to hear that an Ukrainian officer died because of injuries sustained during yesterday's clashes between UN-soldiers and K-Serbs. Although most people will blame K-Serbs for his death, UN commanders knew in advance that storming the court house and arresting the protesters would cause a fierce reaction from some Serbs. Why on earth did the UN commanders not negociate with the people occupying the court house?
Unfortunately this is something that Ukraine and all NATO aspiring countries will have to get used to if they want to join NATO.
Sacrifising their lives instead of american lives in wichever part of the world that the americans decide to fight in.
Is it worth it? Certainly not for Serbia. I am sure some obedient politicians in eastern europe will profit from NATO membership but not the population.
Everyone better understand one thing here and understand it VERY clearly. No one, and i mean NO ONE... comes into OUR country tries to take it away from us and then arrest us and beat us when we try to get our jobs back and lead a normal life in OUR own country. Nato came to Serbia bombed us, broke all norms in international law and yesterday made a VERY stupid decision to storm a courthouse full of women and arrest them. I think we are lucky there wasn't MORE deaths on the foreign occupiers side. I'm sure if Serb soldiers came to occupy any western country and one of them were killed when raiding a building full of women who just want their jobs back you would all be singing a different tune.
In my post I did not express my sorrow just because he was Ukrainian. That is misinterpreted. Who ever lost the life is certainly sorrow.
All I suggested in addition is the value of the lives of an Ukrainian, Polish, American, French etc. Who ever lost the life is tragedy, which is not dispute. But what makes one wonder is to why in these kinds of events there are always Polls or Ukrainian in front lines? I know, and I am sure you know as well.But I guess it is easier for all of us to pretend that we don't know why is that!
This is sad and regrettable. The man died obeying orders and doing an honourable job and we should send sympathy to his family.
You cannot change the minds of the locals through use of force - you can use force to suppress them however. In this case, the forceful intervention was 'talked up' by KFOR/UNMIC so it is not unsurprising that violence resulted. This was bad policing on their part.
Lets be clear: in this case, force was not used to maintain the peace, it was used to suppress the demonstrators. If peace were the goal then the proper police practice is to maintain a cordon and wait for the situation to resolve itself.
UNMIK should demilitarise its actions and stick as much as possible to non-violent policing. The EU must keep out - it is needless provocation.
It should be accepted that North Mitrovica is not going to be taken over by Albanian government and no further imposition of this notion should occur.
Maybe I am missing something, but I didnt think UNMIK had anything to do with NATO. KFOR is NATO, but the young man who was killed today was a UNMIK officer, which means he was under UN guidance. Please tell me how he died "serving american interests" or because the americans wont put their own soldiers on the front lines if he is a UN soldier.
I dont necessarily agree with the US' recognition of Kosovo, but I would like to see intelligent discussion on the subject, not emotional rants stated as fact.
My condolences to the family and friends of the deceased soldier. It also seems that Ćuća and Vukomanović may also succumb to their injuries too.
We've already had two deaths related to Kosovo - this soldier, and the Serb during the demonstrations a month ago. Let's all hope and pray that these are the only two we have to count.
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So how do u explain alban terrorism in 98? Thats right you cant! Nobody forced u to attack Serbs. After all no where near enough countries recognized you and therefor you will forever remain Serbian citizens. Deny it all you want but you know its true. CCCC
Can someone explain me why are Polish & Ukrainian SOLDIERS in the front line ?
Yust seen on TV our troops in the Pec region practically doing nothing..We are always smart in avoiding danger zones...
i wonder where all of this forums pseudo-humanists have been during the murder of a few thousand serbs in the last 8 years?
it also makes me wonder where the forums part-time-moralists get the security that this cop was killed by serbs?
nato just has moral to attack unarmed/women/children, not just in mitrovica (irak, afghanistan, and others) and still manage to get in panic and therefore doing a favour to the civilized world (a.k.a. friendly fire)!
He shouldnt have been there in the first place. Only ones to blame are Berlin and Washington for the Ukrainian life lost. Ukraine should pull their troops out of whole Kosovo now.
According to KS (#33), "The soldier didn't "succumb", he DIED. The soldier didn't die because of Reucker but because of peace-loving Serbs who throw hand grenades at KFOR."
In defence of B92: It is likely that the soldier got wounded in the clashes, he was taken to hospital, doctors tried to save his life, after a while the poor soldier died from tissue damage. Because the soldier did not die instantly, the term "succumb" is used appropriately here.
I will repeat what I said after the death of that young man in the US Embassy - will people please stop trying to score political points out of a needless death. You have plenty of other threads in which to vent your opinions.
The questionable thing about UNMIK is not about the make-up of the troops (although 'bmrusila' does have a point), it's about it's leadership.
UNMIK head, Joachim Ruecker has 'history' with people like Haradinaj & is a german. Germany has ties with the US, 'brussels' & now EULEX. It would be in it's interest to provide a commander who shares those views.
The rhetoric coming from Ruecker has been strongly supportive of the K-albanian UDI, as has been 'UNMIK's' interpretation of it's mandate umder Ruecker.
And now this latest action.
Acting on Thaci's instructions to arrest those protestors on the aniversary of the 2004 riots in a dawn raid. Idiocy? Or premeditation?
One would think that someone in his position of authority would not be an idiot, & a UN official would hardly want to stir up so much trouble.
that is terrible. :( condolences to his family and to the serb who got shot in the head as well... my heart goes out to anyone on all sides affected by this.
This is all due to soldiers and people from distant lands sticking their noses in the business and trying to run the lives of local people. They are mercenaries for the UN and NATO which are very biased and dominated by the U.S., Germany and Britain.
Why don't they mind their own countries' business?
And the soldiers did storm in the building - which was built by Serbs - and illegally arrest people who'd been deprived of their jobs and freedom of movement by the UN.
Why was Vukomanović shot in the head? Thats the real question. My deepest prayers go out to him and his family.
The forces in Kosovo are there to bring peace and not instigate violence (or maybe thats what they want)
Poland and the Ukraine are at the front lines because they are at the bottom of the European ladder. Just like at some corporation. You can call them secretarys.
There is NO such thing as slavs stick with slavs. If that were the case Serbs and Croats would be best of friends. Unfortunetly its a thing called religon. We need to get passed that!
UNMIK,and KFOR are now hostile occupiers. Unfortunately, their front lines will consist of their poorer members. Ukraine, Hungary,Romania etc. It is a sacrifice that these countries are willing to make for their American masters.
No tears shed for Serb policemen killed by KLA? Legitimate targets? So, to the Ukraine, and others, membership has its privledges,. Enjoy!
Did you read about the 2 Danish soldiers who were killed in Afghanistan the other day? Also a Czech soldier as well. This shows how America gets everyone else to put their lives on the line for their own world agenda. Truly this is only the beginning of a new era in which America is aiming at surrounding Russia and causing problems within it and fully controlling the Middle East and its oil.
As for WWII, the fact is that American oil companies were fueling the Germans during WWII and the Germans wouldn't have made it so far in the first place if the American companies had cut them off.
“As the saying goes, if it wasn't for the yankees, we would be speaking German now.”
--Do you really believe in this? Maybe Danish would speak German but Serbs certainly not. Perhaps Yankess did save Western and Northern European countries since they just let German occupy them without any resist at first. Your sayings certainly do not apply to Serbs who resisted German occupation from the very beginning by all means as well as Russians. That is why there are so many human loses to both Serbian and Russian side. Of course, let’s not forget our European Jews who dearly paid by their lives, who were taken to the camps and exterminated while almost entire Europe collaborated with Nazis and just peacefully observed what the Nazis are doing with Jews.
Why was Europe waiting for that long, why the Yankees were waiting for that long? Why there was no more resist to German occupation? Had Europe been united and determined to oppose Nazis, the war wouldn't last for that long, many lives would have been saved. But Europe, as always choose to play chikens' games.
Jan Andersen wrote "After I visited France many years ago, and saw the numerous graveyards, filled with white crosses with the names of Americans soldiers that scarified their lives on European soil so that we could be free, I am grateful that USA decided to send their brave young men to fight in my part of the world."
Well Jan, I do not think that the people in Vietnam were happy that in the 1960s and 1970s the Americans sent their brave men to fight in South East Asia!
I agree with both of you. As a Pole I cannot say I feel equal to the Western part of the EU. Many of my friends with studies completed go to the West to do the dirty work that Westerners are too lazy to do, my country is a great investment opportunity and source of manual labor. I can think of a great expression as to what my country has become with regards to the West, we are a source of land for missile bases and investment and people for either manual labor or all the hard work in NATO (try and imagine some English or German soldier having to do the hard work that a Pole or Ukrainian is assigned to do, believe me, I know, I have friends in the army!), I just feel I cannot write it here. Use your imaginations. Ukraine will just be Poland, except bigger and more populated. I like to call it flavored colonialism.
It will be a long time before Poles, let alone Ukrainians, will ever be considered equal partners in the EU, the point I have been trying to make is that Serbia must be stronger than Poland (or what Ukraine are aiming for), go your own way, you don't need the EU. I am a qualified man and I struggle to make a living here, the average young, experienced and qualified Serb will have the same, either he will struggle in his own country or scrub shit off toilet bowls in the West.
“…Americans soldiers that scarified their lives on European soil so that we could be free,… “
I have all respect for American efforts and sacrifice during the WWII, but, that shining moment is actually very unusual episode in the long line of American foreign military interventions. Practically all other conflicts where they were involved were imperialistic projects, basically war crimes against the third world. US is responsible for the deaths of uncounted millions of innocent civilians all over the globe, who died either in direct actions of US armed forces or convert actions of US secret services.
“… if it wasn't for the yankees, we would be speaking German now…”
It was joint effort, but if you really want to single one country out, that have to be SSSR. More then 70% of total German military casualties fell in the fighting with a Red Army. It is even more impressive when you know that all the best what Germans had, manpower and military hardware, were sent to the east … So, if you can’t speak the German and you are sorry for that, blame the Sovjets …
As the saying goes, if it wasn't for the yankees, we would be speaking German now.
(Jan Andersen, DK, 18 March 2008 18:21)
Well, actually the whole eastern europe are now dancing to Germanys tunes.. Just look at the influence Germany have in EU and over many smaller countries, its more than Hitler would have ever wanted..
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