Tadić calls on UNMIK, KFOR to refrain from violence

Where is our president, Mr Tadic to give some explanation or at least demand release of imprisoned Serbs? Why doesn’t he ask his lovely European friends to give explanation why the force is being used against unarmed civilians? Why doesn’t he send Serbian army into province in order to protect innocent civilians from the force and torture that they are exposed to daily basis for years by now?

Mr Tadic, according to our constitution you are obliged to respect the constitution and protect country’s sovereignty and peoples lives by all means if jeopardized by other side.

Mr Samardzic, hope you will do something for those innocent unarmed Serbian civilians and if necessary do threat by force as well. Make them clear that this time Serbia won’t hesitate to go step further to protect its people. And please, demand our flag back where it belongs to, since in Southern part the only flag the on can see is Albanian one.

The United Nations had no business storming the courthouse. Is this how Kosovo Albanians accommodate the Serbian minority? Can you blame the Serbs for refusing to be massacred as they were four years ago?

Good thing the elections are on there way because it is quite evident that Tadic's Government is useless and not interested in protecting anything that is Serbian.
Tadic sings the same hollow songs as the EU. A confident leader demands order and does not ask his oppressors to refrain from using violence. It is time for a DEFENSIVE strategy in Kosovo, for actions speak louder than words.

J.Singleton is right on this.

exactly, nothing to add to him. perhaps only that those Serbs that were killed, were not killed by KFOR-soldiers but, by the aggressive albanian criminals.

as an example of their bravery: they burnt an old man alive, who was only sleeping in the monastery within the reach of german KFOR-soldiers... which are responsible for his death, I would say.

J Singleton,

Were the judicial workers in the courthouse "armed thugs"?
Are the protestors on the streets "armed thugs"?
From what I can understand the only "armed thugs" are the security forces of which you are a member.

tadic shame and humility are in order, for three days those people are inside the building surrounded not a peep from you, my president!! this will not be forgotten by your former voters, never. it's time to go to romania, i think. maybe a little surprise visit to bucharest. after all, the country is in serious crisis.

J. Singleton, I daresay we could call the Serbs in the courthouse "armed thugs" as you refer to them. They agreed to be arrested peacefully. If the larger crowd outside restorted to harsher tactics, UNMIK should have been prepared to assume that their actions would have provoked a larger counter-action and proper precautions should have been implemented.

On the subject of the 2004 pogroms, yes more Albanians died that day than Serbs, and the loss of any life, irregardless of ethnicity, is senseless. But when all is said and done, an additional 4000 Serbs were chased out of Kosovo, dozens of churches were destroyed or severely damaged, and any hopes that the two sides would achieve some form of co-existence in this lifetime were swept away. It seems the Albanians seemed to have gotten out of those riots far better than the Serbs, wouldn't you say?

In the photo to this article, the Serb protester on the left is using too much elevation on the projectiles. He would achieve optimum velocity by lowering his throwing arc. Also, the Serb protesters against the UN-sanctioned forces becoming a tool of KLA/al-Quaeda's man in Europe, Hashim Thaci, need to prepare buckets of water to extinguish tear gas grenades. Otherwise, a good demonstration to the world of Serb unwillingness to accept turning the clock back to before the First Balkan War of 1912.

I await the US State Department's recurring joke in commenting on these events: "...it is not a precedent". One day they will have to stop behaving like ostriches and get their heads out of the sand.

Dear mr Samardžić your not in Serbia to give orders?

Well actually he is, since UN or no other have changed Serbias recognized borders.

That is Kosova and the Kosovar goverment gives the orders?

Wrong again, Kosovo government don't give any orders, your masters in Brussels and Washington does.

Your minister of something that doesnt exist??? how can you then be taken serious?

The province of Kosovo-Metohija doesn't exist???
Explain how to me and I will point it out on a map for you.

Does your collegues laugh of you when you say im minister og Kosova? Wich Kosova?
(Enis from DK, 17 March 2008 11:43)

I also wonder wich Kosova, the african people in Kenya?
No he is minister of KOSOVO, huge difference from the african people that live in Kenya

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kisii_people

Can Mike explain to me how Serbs were massacred four years ago?
I was in the mission than and I am again now. For your information Mike 80% of those killed during March 17 2004 were K-Albanians.
KFOR and UNMIK is not using force against unarmed civilians but against armed thugs, the same as four years ago against K-Albanian thugs.

"Does your collegues laugh of you when you say im minister og Kosova? Wich Kosova?"

Well Enis, since UNMIK asked Samaradzic to calm the Serbs down, and not one of your leaders in Pristina, it pretty much answers your question on not only where true authority lies in the north, but who is acknowledged to possess it.

Dear mr Samardžić your not in Serbia to give orders? That is Kosova and the Kosovar goverment gives the orders? Your minister of something that doesnt exist??? how can you then be taken serious? Does your collegues laugh of you when you say im minister og Kosova? Wich Kosova?

“ … I was in the mission than and I am again now … “

Mr. Singleton I would be very much interested to hear how do you feel about total failure of your mission? You know, protecting minorities, multi - cultural society and rest of the blah, blah,

so ,mr samardzic is admitting that he as the representant of serbia gives the order to the local serbs? SO he acknowledges that the serbian gouvernement is the one behind these riots!

to all serbians commenting here...

WE ARE NOT BLIND, we all know that today serbians used hand granades against UNMIK and KFOR, and that's why many serbians are now in prison in Pristina.

And
some of you reacting here as patriots, why your now sitting at your home, not in Mitrovica helping your brothers?

;)

Dear Law&Order,

The problem I see is that Kosovo is bereft of just that: Law and Order. UN Resolution 1244 is somehow used as the basis of legitimacy for each side laying claim to the land, yet each side views the same Resolution in vastly different terms.

As far as I know, the Serbs occupying the courthouse were engaged in negotiations with UNMIK to leave. Could they stay there forever? Of course not, and at some point UNMIK would have moved back in. But had negotiations gone through, the Serbs would have departed after some deal was made (keeping their jobs, back pay, etc) and this would have passed with little incidence. Instead, someone gave the order to storm the courthouse and turn what was a peaceful standoff into a riot. Now we have a worsening of the situation and a redoubled effort by Belgrade to resist cooperation.

Now we find that the "law" that everyone seems to be upholding in Kosovo Province is little more than one's own interpretation. Thaci and Feith think they're upholding the "law", and Kostunica, Ivanovic, and Samaradzic believe they're upholding the "law". Because of Kosovo's highly controversial "independence", the "law" has become a free-for-all, and while you may claim 27 countries have recognized you, over 150 have not. Moreover, Kosovo cannot stand up on its own. It desperately needs both the financial and military support of external powers to keep it alive.

So who holds the law? And better yet, who have the authority to enforce the law? Neither Belgrade, nor Pristina hold this monopoly on law, and hence we have the near anarchy we see in the border regions. Belgrade may not have any authority in Pristina, but it is increasingly clear that Pristina has no authority over North Mitrovica.

> "All the more so given that our verbal agreement to settle the matter peacefully and negotiate over everything has been broken," stressed Samardžić.

Verbal agreement? Isn't this guy a little naive? If both parties to an agreement is sincere, it should be no problem to make a written agreement, or to arrange a 2-sided press-meeting where the agreement is announced. In this case, no such thing happened, tell me that one of the parties were not sincere, or is outright lying about any agreement.

Jan Andersen, DK:

Remember these words?

" I have no interest in nation building. I want a world with no borders, a world were everyone is free to travel, live and work everywhere. A world where you judge people on how they behave, and not where they are born, who their parents were, or which Deity they worship. "
(Jan Andersen, 9 March 2008 22:42) "

Seems in your world, you have to get everything down on paper as well, & a man's word counts for nothing. And contrary to your belief, a handshake does have credibility in the higher echelons of power - but only to the powerful that also have principles.

And tell me please, how would you judge the actions of UNMIK in launching their assault on the aniversary of a day on which the serbs in Kosovo were subjected to a witch-hunt by a large fraction of the K-albanian population?

By a force who are supposed to be 'keeping peace & stability' in Kosovo?

By launching a mission which is almost guaranteed to provoke unrest & instability?

And finally, in my world, I generally give someone the benefit of the doubt. Given Samardzic's coming visit to Kosovska Mitrovica & the situation there - logical thing to do is to get some sort of agreement beforehand.

But obviously not in yours.


J.Singleton:
"KFOR and UNMIK is not using force against unarmed civilians but against armed thugs, the same as four years ago against K-Albanian thugs. "

I presume when you say "armed thugs", you're referring to the people of Kosovska Mitrovica who rioted when UNMIK attacked the unarmed jurists in the court-house.

The same people who sustained about 70 casualties - most of which were from bullets.

The same people who until a few years ago, where living in their own country.

The same people who now find themselves being forced to live in what you undoubtebly call the 'republic of Kosovo' against their wishes - even though they are in the majority in this particular part of this new so-called country, & even though this particular part is contiguous with Serbia proper.

Good going mate - you & the people like you are certainly a credit to UNMIK.


In my mind, it's hard to believe that anyone, even a german, could be that insensitive to do this today. This was a almost certainly a deliberate act of provocation on the part of Ruecker. The question is on whose behalf? It's certainly not the UN's.

I wonder whether it was Tadic that gave the orders for UNMIK, to halt and arrest all court protestors???

J.Singleton - oh really, well perhaps you would like to explain to us who exactly did the killing in March 2004? It fascinates me to see the way some people structure an issue to prove a point of their own - and read the facts in a different way.

Brining me to my next point. Now, according to a couple of our regular posters, Tadic is to blame for this situation. Instead of supporting his statement - which is correct, he and not EULEX / UNMIK which is causing the situation, is to blame?

CCCC? Looks like some of us enjoy blaming Serbs more than placing blame where it should be.

Ment,
you just prefectly described the sequence of events that were brought against the Serbians by the Albanians, during the Milosevic regime. When the Albanians got out of hand, the Serb Army entered to restore order, resulting in NATO Bombardment. These sequence of events are what precipatated, the destruction, isolation and demise of Serbia today. The war against the Serbians was an outright lie, based on false pretenses. For example, it was stated by NATO that 250 000 Albanians were killed by Serbians. The truth is that the total casualties were a combined 3000 people deceased. What foundations are the present organizations such as, NATO, EU and UNMIK standing on.

Answer:
False pretenses and all lies, based on American Media and Propoganda.

"Mike beside your cynics could you maybe explain us:
1. who is supporting (financing) K-Serbs not to obey to Pristina"

The K-Serbs themselves. Why would you think they'd show you any loyalty, let alone trust? What have you ever done for them to earn such kudos? Of course they're getting full support from Belgrade, but they need very little convincing.

"2. why K-Serbs “democratically” through hand grenades to UNMNIK and KFOR? (wasn’t UNMINK the only authority that they aknowledge?)"

Please. Kosovo is rife with guns and ammunition. Albanians have them. Serbs have them. Let's just be thankful it didn't resort to anything more violent. I don't want anyone dying over something as empty as the government in Kosovo.

"3. should maybe Kosova Authorities deal with the local K. Mitrovica hooligans as would/are dealing Russia and China with their minorities- countries that “respect” the International Law and oppose the independence of Kosova"

Oh yeah, that would solve all the problems. Just have a few Albanians cross the Ibar and that should quell any future violence. That's about as smart as sending Serbs into Pristina.

One doesn't need to be a cynic as you claim to see the unfortunate realities here.

K-AL,

We are also not BLIND, far away from it,
and we know if KFOR and UNMIK people did not shoot, where do the bullets and shrapnels found in wounded Serbian bodies come from.
Have you been waiting for some times?

'Of course Kosovo is a new state that was just born'


someone needs to change the thing's diapers :)
no hard feelings but it's beginning to smell real bad :))

Dear Law&Order
The State Of Kosovo is an illegally recognized country.
Why is that so difficult to comprehend?
Who said that the Kosovo is a Separate State?????

Jovan wrote:
J.Singleton is right on this.

exactly, nothing to add to him. perhaps only that those Serbs that were killed, were not killed by KFOR-soldiers but, by the aggressive albanian criminals.
########################

Jovan, can you please tell us, who killed Albanians then (the 80% of the victims)?
Wouldn’t you agree that they were killed by aggressive Serbian Criminals?
Or are you going to say that a big tree fell on them and Serbs were innocent passers-by.

On 17 March 2008 18:35, peter, sydney wrote:

> Seems in your world, you have to get everything down on paper as well, (snip)

I am both a dreamer, and a realist. I think it was Stalin (or Mao?) who said: Trust is good, Control is better.

> And tell me please, how would you judge the actions of UNMIK in launching their assault on the aniversary of a day on which the serbs in Kosovo were subjected to a witch-hunt by a large fraction of the K-albanian population?

Foolish and stupid.

> Given Samardzic's coming visit to Kosovska Mitrovica & the situation there - logical thing to do is to get some sort of agreement beforehand.

If an agreement was possible. To me, I looks like something went sour during their talks. But I don't know.

To all Non-Serbian Posters,
read the following link

http://www.torontosun.com/News/Columnists/Worthington_Peter/2008/03/17/pf-5027321.html

this is the truth about the war on Serbia. This is why Canada will never recognize Kosovo. The whole reasoning for attacking Serbia was nothing but a foundation of lies.
I hope all you Albanians along with Joe(the Hungarian american) can understand that the facts they currently use to back up their posts are not true.
Who in this world are you going to believe, the USA or good wholesome Canadian Media????

Another Canadian Serb

Come on now...

Milosevic used ethnic strife between the Albanians and Serbs as an excuse to get rid of Kosovo's autonomy, fire all Albanian employees from government institutions, the mines, and a whole list of other retaliation that a Kosovo Albanian would be glad to elaborate on if you bothered to ask. That's pretty draconian by any standard...and it did not stop there.

The wholesale destruction of villages, expulsions, revenge executions of entire families and civilians by the Serb paramilitaries and the special police was also way out of hand in its skirmishes with the KLA. If you disagree, just pay attention to how the northern Ireland conflict and Basque separatism have been handled. Same situation as Kosovo in the 90's, except that neither of the regions lied in ruins during the conflict.

Moving on to this week's events... you can't claim that the police taking out a few employees in handcuffs was so harsh that it warranted the destruction and the loss of life that followed do you?

Your government (and many Serbs it seems) seem to lack a sense of "proportionate" response to a crisis. This is the reason why you've lost every conflict in the 90's. This is the reason why you lost Kosovo.

Ironically however, the same disproportionate response in March 2004 by the Albanians in Kosovo to the drowning of those two children, is what "cost" them all those concessions in the Ahtisaari plan...starting with the notion of "supervised" independence. After the burnings and the pillaging, the Albanians could not be trusted by the West to respect the rights of the Kosovo Serbs on their own, hence the EU overlords.

Let me get this straight...

The Mitrovica Serbs take over a UN courthouse and along with other fellow Serbs prevent the Albanian employees from entering the facilities (reminiscent to Milosevic's actions a decade ago btw.).

The UN police reacts by trying to clear them out of the building, which is probably what would happen anywhere else in the world. The demonstrators (outside the courthouse) throw rocks, fireworks and even explosive devices... and somehow the police is expected to just sit there looking pretty. I honestly do not understand what world the Mitrovica Serbs and some of the posters here live in.

As far as I'm concerned, this is one more sickening example of Serbs stirring up trouble and then refusing to take responsibility for the consequences of their actions. They put their hand in the fire and then blame the fire for getting burnt.

One more thing... like someone before me mentioned... I thought the Kosovo Serbs only recognize the UN authority in Kosovo (resolution 1244 and whatever). So how come you're brawling with the UN police too now?

UNMIK asked Samaradzic to calm the Serbs down, and not one of your leaders in Pristina, it pretty much answers your question on not only where true authority lies in the north, but who is acknowledged to possess it.
(Mike, 17 March 2008 15:58)

Mike beside your cynics could you maybe explain us:
1. who is supporting (financing) K-Serbs not to obey to Pristina
2. why K-Serbs “democratically” through hand grenades to UNMNIK and KFOR? (wasn’t UNMINK the only authority that they aknowledge?)
3. should maybe Kosova Authorities deal with the local K. Mitrovica hooligans as would/are dealing Russia and China with their minorities- countries that “respect” the International Law and oppose the independence of Kosova

maybe after reflecting on this issues you will be less cynic.

LOL they didn't ask him if they asked him they could have waiten untill he spokke with the hooligans inside the court house?

And they listend to the albanian goverment either your bring order in the chaos or our KPS forces would and could do that?

I guess when two albanians were killed by UNMIK police, everybody in Serbia thought two terrorists were killed. Now they attacked those pure old people that created that oasis in Mitrovica, cannot go south due to persecution for war crimes, cannot go north due to persecution from serbian court for war crimes. I really feel bad about that.

Dear Mike,
I am a little surprised by your posts today. I do understand that you always back the serb side, but however are more realistic, but that is not the case today. You know very well that what serbs did was very wrong and was tolerated too long. Go in any western state and occupy a state curt and see what would happen to you. Of course Kosovo is a new state that was just born, and I do beleive is offering local serbs the widest possible selfgovernance, but that does not mean allowing them use of force against state institutions, police etc.

To bmrusila,
seriously, are you kidding me?! Unarmed civilians?! Burned UNMIK vehicles just went up in flames like that?! That 1124 resolution that you call on so quite often in your comments, places the court in UNMIK hands and the serbs didn't have the right to occupy those without an agreement with UNMIK. No one says they don't have to right to protest and ask and negotiate an agreement for them to get back to their old jobs, but it's illegal in any coutry to just occupy premisses by force and expect the law to just sit and watch. Nothing makes serbs in north of mitrovica more special than any other nationality in Kosovo/a or anywhere else in the world. I'm sick and tired of serbians playing victims that other are steeling their land. The west "stole" their land in Croatia, Bosnia, Kosovo. I guess it all was Serbia... the rest of us just somehow magically appeared in those part, just to victimize serbs...maybe even the world belongs to serbia huh bmrusila???!

Jan Andersen, DK:

;)

Can Mike explain to me how Serbs were massacred four years ago?
I was in the mission than and I am again now. For your information Mike 80% of those killed during March 17 2004 were K-Albanians.
KFOR and UNMIK is not using force against unarmed civilians but against armed thugs, the same as four years ago against K-Albanian thugs.

to all serbians commenting here...

WE ARE NOT BLIND, we all know that today serbians used hand granades against UNMIK and KFOR, and that's why many serbians are now in prison in Pristina.

And
some of you reacting here as patriots, why your now sitting at your home, not in Mitrovica helping your brothers?

;)

Dear mr Samardžić your not in Serbia to give orders? That is Kosova and the Kosovar goverment gives the orders? Your minister of something that doesnt exist??? how can you then be taken serious? Does your collegues laugh of you when you say im minister og Kosova? Wich Kosova?

Jovan wrote:
J.Singleton is right on this.

exactly, nothing to add to him. perhaps only that those Serbs that were killed, were not killed by KFOR-soldiers but, by the aggressive albanian criminals.
########################

Jovan, can you please tell us, who killed Albanians then (the 80% of the victims)?
Wouldn’t you agree that they were killed by aggressive Serbian Criminals?
Or are you going to say that a big tree fell on them and Serbs were innocent passers-by.

so ,mr samardzic is admitting that he as the representant of serbia gives the order to the local serbs? SO he acknowledges that the serbian gouvernement is the one behind these riots!

> "All the more so given that our verbal agreement to settle the matter peacefully and negotiate over everything has been broken," stressed Samardžić.

Verbal agreement? Isn't this guy a little naive? If both parties to an agreement is sincere, it should be no problem to make a written agreement, or to arrange a 2-sided press-meeting where the agreement is announced. In this case, no such thing happened, tell me that one of the parties were not sincere, or is outright lying about any agreement.

UNMIK asked Samaradzic to calm the Serbs down, and not one of your leaders in Pristina, it pretty much answers your question on not only where true authority lies in the north, but who is acknowledged to possess it.
(Mike, 17 March 2008 15:58)

Mike beside your cynics could you maybe explain us:
1. who is supporting (financing) K-Serbs not to obey to Pristina
2. why K-Serbs “democratically” through hand grenades to UNMNIK and KFOR? (wasn’t UNMINK the only authority that they aknowledge?)
3. should maybe Kosova Authorities deal with the local K. Mitrovica hooligans as would/are dealing Russia and China with their minorities- countries that “respect” the International Law and oppose the independence of Kosova

maybe after reflecting on this issues you will be less cynic.

Let me get this straight...

The Mitrovica Serbs take over a UN courthouse and along with other fellow Serbs prevent the Albanian employees from entering the facilities (reminiscent to Milosevic's actions a decade ago btw.).

The UN police reacts by trying to clear them out of the building, which is probably what would happen anywhere else in the world. The demonstrators (outside the courthouse) throw rocks, fireworks and even explosive devices... and somehow the police is expected to just sit there looking pretty. I honestly do not understand what world the Mitrovica Serbs and some of the posters here live in.

As far as I'm concerned, this is one more sickening example of Serbs stirring up trouble and then refusing to take responsibility for the consequences of their actions. They put their hand in the fire and then blame the fire for getting burnt.

One more thing... like someone before me mentioned... I thought the Kosovo Serbs only recognize the UN authority in Kosovo (resolution 1244 and whatever). So how come you're brawling with the UN police too now?

LOL they didn't ask him if they asked him they could have waiten untill he spokke with the hooligans inside the court house?

And they listend to the albanian goverment either your bring order in the chaos or our KPS forces would and could do that?

I guess when two albanians were killed by UNMIK police, everybody in Serbia thought two terrorists were killed. Now they attacked those pure old people that created that oasis in Mitrovica, cannot go south due to persecution for war crimes, cannot go north due to persecution from serbian court for war crimes. I really feel bad about that.

J.Singleton is right on this.

exactly, nothing to add to him. perhaps only that those Serbs that were killed, were not killed by KFOR-soldiers but, by the aggressive albanian criminals.

as an example of their bravery: they burnt an old man alive, who was only sleeping in the monastery within the reach of german KFOR-soldiers... which are responsible for his death, I would say.

Dear Mike,
I am a little surprised by your posts today. I do understand that you always back the serb side, but however are more realistic, but that is not the case today. You know very well that what serbs did was very wrong and was tolerated too long. Go in any western state and occupy a state curt and see what would happen to you. Of course Kosovo is a new state that was just born, and I do beleive is offering local serbs the widest possible selfgovernance, but that does not mean allowing them use of force against state institutions, police etc.

Where is our president, Mr Tadic to give some explanation or at least demand release of imprisoned Serbs? Why doesn’t he ask his lovely European friends to give explanation why the force is being used against unarmed civilians? Why doesn’t he send Serbian army into province in order to protect innocent civilians from the force and torture that they are exposed to daily basis for years by now?

Mr Tadic, according to our constitution you are obliged to respect the constitution and protect country’s sovereignty and peoples lives by all means if jeopardized by other side.

Mr Samardzic, hope you will do something for those innocent unarmed Serbian civilians and if necessary do threat by force as well. Make them clear that this time Serbia won’t hesitate to go step further to protect its people. And please, demand our flag back where it belongs to, since in Southern part the only flag the on can see is Albanian one.

In the photo to this article, the Serb protester on the left is using too much elevation on the projectiles. He would achieve optimum velocity by lowering his throwing arc. Also, the Serb protesters against the UN-sanctioned forces becoming a tool of KLA/al-Quaeda's man in Europe, Hashim Thaci, need to prepare buckets of water to extinguish tear gas grenades. Otherwise, a good demonstration to the world of Serb unwillingness to accept turning the clock back to before the First Balkan War of 1912.

I await the US State Department's recurring joke in commenting on these events: "...it is not a precedent". One day they will have to stop behaving like ostriches and get their heads out of the sand.

The United Nations had no business storming the courthouse. Is this how Kosovo Albanians accommodate the Serbian minority? Can you blame the Serbs for refusing to be massacred as they were four years ago?

tadic shame and humility are in order, for three days those people are inside the building surrounded not a peep from you, my president!! this will not be forgotten by your former voters, never. it's time to go to romania, i think. maybe a little surprise visit to bucharest. after all, the country is in serious crisis.

Good thing the elections are on there way because it is quite evident that Tadic's Government is useless and not interested in protecting anything that is Serbian.
Tadic sings the same hollow songs as the EU. A confident leader demands order and does not ask his oppressors to refrain from using violence. It is time for a DEFENSIVE strategy in Kosovo, for actions speak louder than words.

J Singleton,

Were the judicial workers in the courthouse "armed thugs"?
Are the protestors on the streets "armed thugs"?
From what I can understand the only "armed thugs" are the security forces of which you are a member.

J.Singleton - oh really, well perhaps you would like to explain to us who exactly did the killing in March 2004? It fascinates me to see the way some people structure an issue to prove a point of their own - and read the facts in a different way.

Brining me to my next point. Now, according to a couple of our regular posters, Tadic is to blame for this situation. Instead of supporting his statement - which is correct, he and not EULEX / UNMIK which is causing the situation, is to blame?

CCCC? Looks like some of us enjoy blaming Serbs more than placing blame where it should be.

J. Singleton, I daresay we could call the Serbs in the courthouse "armed thugs" as you refer to them. They agreed to be arrested peacefully. If the larger crowd outside restorted to harsher tactics, UNMIK should have been prepared to assume that their actions would have provoked a larger counter-action and proper precautions should have been implemented.

On the subject of the 2004 pogroms, yes more Albanians died that day than Serbs, and the loss of any life, irregardless of ethnicity, is senseless. But when all is said and done, an additional 4000 Serbs were chased out of Kosovo, dozens of churches were destroyed or severely damaged, and any hopes that the two sides would achieve some form of co-existence in this lifetime were swept away. It seems the Albanians seemed to have gotten out of those riots far better than the Serbs, wouldn't you say?

“ … I was in the mission than and I am again now … “

Mr. Singleton I would be very much interested to hear how do you feel about total failure of your mission? You know, protecting minorities, multi - cultural society and rest of the blah, blah,

Dear mr Samardžić your not in Serbia to give orders?

Well actually he is, since UN or no other have changed Serbias recognized borders.

That is Kosova and the Kosovar goverment gives the orders?

Wrong again, Kosovo government don't give any orders, your masters in Brussels and Washington does.

Your minister of something that doesnt exist??? how can you then be taken serious?

The province of Kosovo-Metohija doesn't exist???
Explain how to me and I will point it out on a map for you.

Does your collegues laugh of you when you say im minister og Kosova? Wich Kosova?
(Enis from DK, 17 March 2008 11:43)

I also wonder wich Kosova, the african people in Kenya?
No he is minister of KOSOVO, huge difference from the african people that live in Kenya

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kisii_people

"Does your collegues laugh of you when you say im minister og Kosova? Wich Kosova?"

Well Enis, since UNMIK asked Samaradzic to calm the Serbs down, and not one of your leaders in Pristina, it pretty much answers your question on not only where true authority lies in the north, but who is acknowledged to possess it.

"Mike beside your cynics could you maybe explain us:
1. who is supporting (financing) K-Serbs not to obey to Pristina"

The K-Serbs themselves. Why would you think they'd show you any loyalty, let alone trust? What have you ever done for them to earn such kudos? Of course they're getting full support from Belgrade, but they need very little convincing.

"2. why K-Serbs “democratically” through hand grenades to UNMNIK and KFOR? (wasn’t UNMINK the only authority that they aknowledge?)"

Please. Kosovo is rife with guns and ammunition. Albanians have them. Serbs have them. Let's just be thankful it didn't resort to anything more violent. I don't want anyone dying over something as empty as the government in Kosovo.

"3. should maybe Kosova Authorities deal with the local K. Mitrovica hooligans as would/are dealing Russia and China with their minorities- countries that “respect” the International Law and oppose the independence of Kosova"

Oh yeah, that would solve all the problems. Just have a few Albanians cross the Ibar and that should quell any future violence. That's about as smart as sending Serbs into Pristina.

One doesn't need to be a cynic as you claim to see the unfortunate realities here.

I wonder whether it was Tadic that gave the orders for UNMIK, to halt and arrest all court protestors???

Jan Andersen, DK:

Remember these words?

" I have no interest in nation building. I want a world with no borders, a world were everyone is free to travel, live and work everywhere. A world where you judge people on how they behave, and not where they are born, who their parents were, or which Deity they worship. "
(Jan Andersen, 9 March 2008 22:42) "

Seems in your world, you have to get everything down on paper as well, & a man's word counts for nothing. And contrary to your belief, a handshake does have credibility in the higher echelons of power - but only to the powerful that also have principles.

And tell me please, how would you judge the actions of UNMIK in launching their assault on the aniversary of a day on which the serbs in Kosovo were subjected to a witch-hunt by a large fraction of the K-albanian population?

By a force who are supposed to be 'keeping peace & stability' in Kosovo?

By launching a mission which is almost guaranteed to provoke unrest & instability?

And finally, in my world, I generally give someone the benefit of the doubt. Given Samardzic's coming visit to Kosovska Mitrovica & the situation there - logical thing to do is to get some sort of agreement beforehand.

But obviously not in yours.


J.Singleton:
"KFOR and UNMIK is not using force against unarmed civilians but against armed thugs, the same as four years ago against K-Albanian thugs. "

I presume when you say "armed thugs", you're referring to the people of Kosovska Mitrovica who rioted when UNMIK attacked the unarmed jurists in the court-house.

The same people who sustained about 70 casualties - most of which were from bullets.

The same people who until a few years ago, where living in their own country.

The same people who now find themselves being forced to live in what you undoubtebly call the 'republic of Kosovo' against their wishes - even though they are in the majority in this particular part of this new so-called country, & even though this particular part is contiguous with Serbia proper.

Good going mate - you & the people like you are certainly a credit to UNMIK.


In my mind, it's hard to believe that anyone, even a german, could be that insensitive to do this today. This was a almost certainly a deliberate act of provocation on the part of Ruecker. The question is on whose behalf? It's certainly not the UN's.

K-AL,

We are also not BLIND, far away from it,
and we know if KFOR and UNMIK people did not shoot, where do the bullets and shrapnels found in wounded Serbian bodies come from.
Have you been waiting for some times?

Ment,
you just prefectly described the sequence of events that were brought against the Serbians by the Albanians, during the Milosevic regime. When the Albanians got out of hand, the Serb Army entered to restore order, resulting in NATO Bombardment. These sequence of events are what precipatated, the destruction, isolation and demise of Serbia today. The war against the Serbians was an outright lie, based on false pretenses. For example, it was stated by NATO that 250 000 Albanians were killed by Serbians. The truth is that the total casualties were a combined 3000 people deceased. What foundations are the present organizations such as, NATO, EU and UNMIK standing on.

Answer:
False pretenses and all lies, based on American Media and Propoganda.

'Of course Kosovo is a new state that was just born'


someone needs to change the thing's diapers :)
no hard feelings but it's beginning to smell real bad :))

Dear Law&Order
The State Of Kosovo is an illegally recognized country.
Why is that so difficult to comprehend?
Who said that the Kosovo is a Separate State?????

Dear Law&Order,

The problem I see is that Kosovo is bereft of just that: Law and Order. UN Resolution 1244 is somehow used as the basis of legitimacy for each side laying claim to the land, yet each side views the same Resolution in vastly different terms.

As far as I know, the Serbs occupying the courthouse were engaged in negotiations with UNMIK to leave. Could they stay there forever? Of course not, and at some point UNMIK would have moved back in. But had negotiations gone through, the Serbs would have departed after some deal was made (keeping their jobs, back pay, etc) and this would have passed with little incidence. Instead, someone gave the order to storm the courthouse and turn what was a peaceful standoff into a riot. Now we have a worsening of the situation and a redoubled effort by Belgrade to resist cooperation.

Now we find that the "law" that everyone seems to be upholding in Kosovo Province is little more than one's own interpretation. Thaci and Feith think they're upholding the "law", and Kostunica, Ivanovic, and Samaradzic believe they're upholding the "law". Because of Kosovo's highly controversial "independence", the "law" has become a free-for-all, and while you may claim 27 countries have recognized you, over 150 have not. Moreover, Kosovo cannot stand up on its own. It desperately needs both the financial and military support of external powers to keep it alive.

So who holds the law? And better yet, who have the authority to enforce the law? Neither Belgrade, nor Pristina hold this monopoly on law, and hence we have the near anarchy we see in the border regions. Belgrade may not have any authority in Pristina, but it is increasingly clear that Pristina has no authority over North Mitrovica.

To bmrusila,
seriously, are you kidding me?! Unarmed civilians?! Burned UNMIK vehicles just went up in flames like that?! That 1124 resolution that you call on so quite often in your comments, places the court in UNMIK hands and the serbs didn't have the right to occupy those without an agreement with UNMIK. No one says they don't have to right to protest and ask and negotiate an agreement for them to get back to their old jobs, but it's illegal in any coutry to just occupy premisses by force and expect the law to just sit and watch. Nothing makes serbs in north of mitrovica more special than any other nationality in Kosovo/a or anywhere else in the world. I'm sick and tired of serbians playing victims that other are steeling their land. The west "stole" their land in Croatia, Bosnia, Kosovo. I guess it all was Serbia... the rest of us just somehow magically appeared in those part, just to victimize serbs...maybe even the world belongs to serbia huh bmrusila???!

On 17 March 2008 18:35, peter, sydney wrote:

> Seems in your world, you have to get everything down on paper as well, (snip)

I am both a dreamer, and a realist. I think it was Stalin (or Mao?) who said: Trust is good, Control is better.

> And tell me please, how would you judge the actions of UNMIK in launching their assault on the aniversary of a day on which the serbs in Kosovo were subjected to a witch-hunt by a large fraction of the K-albanian population?

Foolish and stupid.

> Given Samardzic's coming visit to Kosovska Mitrovica & the situation there - logical thing to do is to get some sort of agreement beforehand.

If an agreement was possible. To me, I looks like something went sour during their talks. But I don't know.

To all Non-Serbian Posters,
read the following link

http://www.torontosun.com/News/Columnists/Worthington_Peter/2008/03/17/pf-5027321.html

this is the truth about the war on Serbia. This is why Canada will never recognize Kosovo. The whole reasoning for attacking Serbia was nothing but a foundation of lies.
I hope all you Albanians along with Joe(the Hungarian american) can understand that the facts they currently use to back up their posts are not true.
Who in this world are you going to believe, the USA or good wholesome Canadian Media????

Jan Andersen, DK:

;)

Another Canadian Serb

Come on now...

Milosevic used ethnic strife between the Albanians and Serbs as an excuse to get rid of Kosovo's autonomy, fire all Albanian employees from government institutions, the mines, and a whole list of other retaliation that a Kosovo Albanian would be glad to elaborate on if you bothered to ask. That's pretty draconian by any standard...and it did not stop there.

The wholesale destruction of villages, expulsions, revenge executions of entire families and civilians by the Serb paramilitaries and the special police was also way out of hand in its skirmishes with the KLA. If you disagree, just pay attention to how the northern Ireland conflict and Basque separatism have been handled. Same situation as Kosovo in the 90's, except that neither of the regions lied in ruins during the conflict.

Moving on to this week's events... you can't claim that the police taking out a few employees in handcuffs was so harsh that it warranted the destruction and the loss of life that followed do you?

Your government (and many Serbs it seems) seem to lack a sense of "proportionate" response to a crisis. This is the reason why you've lost every conflict in the 90's. This is the reason why you lost Kosovo.

Ironically however, the same disproportionate response in March 2004 by the Albanians in Kosovo to the drowning of those two children, is what "cost" them all those concessions in the Ahtisaari plan...starting with the notion of "supervised" independence. After the burnings and the pillaging, the Albanians could not be trusted by the West to respect the rights of the Kosovo Serbs on their own, hence the EU overlords.