Bulgaria concerned Serbia "is slipping away"

Serbia will not be "voluntarily isolating itself" it is a fact that the illegal recognition by individual EU states as allowed by the EU because it could not deceide on a UNified approach to Serbia that has created a natural souring of Serbian desire for admission to the EU.

One wonders how the Bulgarians would have felt if their sovereignty and territorial integrity was a condition of accession?

Serbia is not slipping away on the contrary the EU are pushing them away with their illegal acts individually and in thier INLEX (Lawless) Kosovo mission!

It has never been easy to be a Serb, but it has never been harder to be a Serbian voter.

President Kennedy said that people should ask what they can do for their Country rather than ask what their Country can do for them.

Today, every Serbian voter is asking that. The entire world is watching and many western nations are openly interfering.

Serbs are being advised to forsake their pride, soverginty and countryman in Kosovo or to forget their own futures.
Yet, things have been worse and history shows that Serbs do not like to capitulate.

I hope the Serbs teach Europe a lesson in history that seems to have been forgoten in western hospitals, but it may have been forgotten in Serbia as well.

We shall see who is slipping into oblivion.

To all Serbs,

I was amongst your fellow countrymen in the earlydays, I was asked to command dicking teams, which meant harassing Serb communities and scaring them away. I hated it, I can believe we supported Albanian terrorists.

I can't apologise enough for what English politicians have done.

I will keep smiling, because I saw on the 17th February 2008 that western failed politicians went too far, and now kosovo has only one route and that is down.

For all the british soldiers who fought side by side with serbs in previous wars, I am truly sickened that my country just urinated on their graves.

Serbia will prevail, Albanian history (true history) will be the future.

Don't join the EU, you don't need it and 88% of Brits don't want it anymore. Hold the line (Ibar), the four biggest growing economies are on your side. Stay the course, it won't be nice for a while but you will not lose. Somebody in the west is not very good and mathematics.

God speed serbia and you, EU, your life span was less than America's 200 years. Shame on all EU countries for this stupidity.

The saudi's must be pleased!

No, Serbia is acting democratically and legally when asserting that Kosovo is part of its territorial integrity - a bit like in that 1244 resolution that the EU, US, and Albanians are using as a stick to punish Serbians, while pretending that it does not restrict them.

As I have tried to argue elsewhere, I think it is time for Serbia to check out the legalities on reoccupation of Kosovo - it has fulfilled its duties over 1244 and what is going on there now in contravention of 1244 so it must be possible to make a good legal case. Serbia will need to be able to reoccupy at some stage if it is ever to re-establish its territorial integrity. Now that law is on Serbia's side, this should at least be thought about. The international press will not criticise a country that defends its territory by legal means - even if it is against the will of the great US.

Can some better lawyers than me establish a LEGAL case to overrule the political stupidity of the EU and US who have quite incompetantly, inappropriately and needlessly put democratic Serbia at risk?

unbelievable!

EA, if someone is pretending to be a victim here, then it is certainly the Albanians! I can remember how you were wining in your comments about being abused and discriminated, while I can also remember that it was the K-albanians who were killing serbian and albanian citizens of Serbia, just because they did not want to participate in that fascist greater-albania ideology...

at least try to be honest.

ea forget about alban propaganda. un said 1244 remains in force. kosovo is serbia

Serbia has a choice between joining the EU and not joining the EU. Isolation is not a choice but scare mongering.Only EU countries and US plus a couple of US protectorates support kosovo independance. Serbia has 180 countries that dont support independance. They can choose to join the SCO. Countries that are against independance are the future powerhouses like Russia, China, India and Brazil. It cost greek companies millions of pounds to go round serbia (just like it will cost kosovo now), do they intend to place sanctions on serbia because the people expressed their democratic right not to join, I somehow dont think so. The EU will not close serbias borders and so serbia will trade with the countries who support serbias territorial integrity. Serbia had built power plants abroad, they sold weopans etc they were not building or seeling to the US or EU but the developing countries. So why should serbia look to the EU who can build their own plants, make their own weopans etc. There is more trade and oppurtunities for serbia with countries like Russia and China (EU goes to china with begging bowls looking for contracts here). Serbia, has a choice, EU is not the gold they think they are.

"To all Serbs,

I was amongst your fellow countrymen in the early days, I was asked to command dicking teams, which meant harassing Serb communities and scaring them away. I hated it, I can believe we supported Albanian terrorists."

Frank,

I must assume that what you wrote here is true and that you are truly British. What you wrote is extremely disturbing and if you truly participated in these practices you will have to live with it (as you apparently do). Still I think it is very brave that you dared to write this and share it with us. This would actually mean that NATO was (as many people suspected) directly involved in the deliberate ethnic cleansing of Kosovo Serbs and other minorities. I am not sure what the legal implications are of that. I am sure that the Serbian government and the majority of the international community would be very interested to hear this. All I can hope for is that the world will learn the truth and not the anti-Serb lies that have brainwashed the masses for the past 20 years. I just do not want that certain NATO people and politicians will get away with things and that they will face justice for delibrately destroying the lives of so many innocent people.

One more time woundering why you albanians are creating problems wherever you are, moreover always crying the way you are beiong treated.

In some region of the planet so many have fighted for decades to have the right to exist, the right to have a piece of land, the right to live in peace but most them have not been heard yet and most probably will never be!!

So 'the so called patriots' albanians, wherever you are, pls stop bothering us with your boring never ending cries and complains, get your acts together, do something for your country and live your neighbours in peace and if you do not like the way you are treated where you are, then you have the choice, you have your country and if you don't like your country, talked to the Kurds, maybe they might be interested!

"Serbia is not slipping away on the contrary the EU are pushing them away with their illegal acts individually and in thier INLEX (Lawless) Kosovo mission!"

Pricip,

With that logic of playing the victim the Serbian people will end up isolating themselves. It is an unfortunate to have leaders like Kostunica who think only of themselves and not the ordinary Serbian people. The choice is yours (Serbian people) which way to go but PLEASE do not blame the other for your wrong decisions.
Forget about Kosova once and for all and live the new REALITY for the sake of the Serbian young generation. I hope we all will join the European club but bear in mind you will not be forced in.

On 13 March 2008 20:38, EA wrote:

> With that logic of playing the victim the Serbian people will end up isolating themselves.

My thoughts exactly. I think many of the Serbian posters here prefer to see themselves as helpless victims of atrocious acts carried out the US and EU with the sole purpose of humiliating them.

This view has many advantages, primarily one is absolved of any responsibility for ones situation. There is no need to examine past actions and their consequences. And no need to pause and reflect on how to improve the current and future situation.

It's quite obvious that Bulgaria are not doing very well since joining the EU and they need Serbia to join more than Serbia needs the EU. It is just to help Bulgaria out economically.

Luigi

Funny enough, I agree with you. I think all 2004 memberships and onwards states (apart from Malta and Cyprus) should not be in the EU. In my opinion they should have been in their respective trade blocs until they would actually be in the state to integrate normally into the EU, only after real progress. They could have had free trade with the EU, but not join until they reached the same levels as the EU states.

I know I am a little guy who doesn't mean anything, but my opinion is that there should have been these blocs:

1) Visegrad Four - Poland, Czech Republic, Hungary and Slovakia (the best times!).

2) CEFTA (The Balkans) - Romania, Serbia, Bulgaria, Croatia, Bosnia & Herzegovina, Albania, Macedonia, Kosovo, Slovenia and Montenegro.

3) Baltic Entente (yes I know, this is pre-WWII, so what?) - Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia.

I think this would have been better for everyone.

I think this would have been better for everyone.
(Peter Sudyka, 14 March 2008 20:23)

okay, Peter from Poland,

but you should add in your subjective information(s), that 77 PERCENT (3 out of 4) of your co-citizens voted in a referendum for to join the EU.

"Serbia is slipping away"
This is finally a good news for the people in Eu..
bad news for the politicians !
Only one thing ...Can we hope that sooner also Bulgaria is "slipping away" ?

"Serbia is not slipping away on the contrary the EU are pushing them away with their illegal acts individually and in thier INLEX (Lawless) Kosovo mission!"

Pricip,

With that logic of playing the victim the Serbian people will end up isolating themselves. It is an unfortunate to have leaders like Kostunica who think only of themselves and not the ordinary Serbian people. The choice is yours (Serbian people) which way to go but PLEASE do not blame the other for your wrong decisions.
Forget about Kosova once and for all and live the new REALITY for the sake of the Serbian young generation. I hope we all will join the European club but bear in mind you will not be forced in.

On 13 March 2008 20:38, EA wrote:

> With that logic of playing the victim the Serbian people will end up isolating themselves.

My thoughts exactly. I think many of the Serbian posters here prefer to see themselves as helpless victims of atrocious acts carried out the US and EU with the sole purpose of humiliating them.

This view has many advantages, primarily one is absolved of any responsibility for ones situation. There is no need to examine past actions and their consequences. And no need to pause and reflect on how to improve the current and future situation.

One more time woundering why you albanians are creating problems wherever you are, moreover always crying the way you are beiong treated.

In some region of the planet so many have fighted for decades to have the right to exist, the right to have a piece of land, the right to live in peace but most them have not been heard yet and most probably will never be!!

So 'the so called patriots' albanians, wherever you are, pls stop bothering us with your boring never ending cries and complains, get your acts together, do something for your country and live your neighbours in peace and if you do not like the way you are treated where you are, then you have the choice, you have your country and if you don't like your country, talked to the Kurds, maybe they might be interested!

To all Serbs,

I was amongst your fellow countrymen in the earlydays, I was asked to command dicking teams, which meant harassing Serb communities and scaring them away. I hated it, I can believe we supported Albanian terrorists.

I can't apologise enough for what English politicians have done.

I will keep smiling, because I saw on the 17th February 2008 that western failed politicians went too far, and now kosovo has only one route and that is down.

For all the british soldiers who fought side by side with serbs in previous wars, I am truly sickened that my country just urinated on their graves.

Serbia will prevail, Albanian history (true history) will be the future.

Don't join the EU, you don't need it and 88% of Brits don't want it anymore. Hold the line (Ibar), the four biggest growing economies are on your side. Stay the course, it won't be nice for a while but you will not lose. Somebody in the west is not very good and mathematics.

God speed serbia and you, EU, your life span was less than America's 200 years. Shame on all EU countries for this stupidity.

The saudi's must be pleased!

"Serbia is slipping away"
This is finally a good news for the people in Eu..
bad news for the politicians !
Only one thing ...Can we hope that sooner also Bulgaria is "slipping away" ?

Serbia will not be "voluntarily isolating itself" it is a fact that the illegal recognition by individual EU states as allowed by the EU because it could not deceide on a UNified approach to Serbia that has created a natural souring of Serbian desire for admission to the EU.

One wonders how the Bulgarians would have felt if their sovereignty and territorial integrity was a condition of accession?

Serbia is not slipping away on the contrary the EU are pushing them away with their illegal acts individually and in thier INLEX (Lawless) Kosovo mission!

It has never been easy to be a Serb, but it has never been harder to be a Serbian voter.

President Kennedy said that people should ask what they can do for their Country rather than ask what their Country can do for them.

Today, every Serbian voter is asking that. The entire world is watching and many western nations are openly interfering.

Serbs are being advised to forsake their pride, soverginty and countryman in Kosovo or to forget their own futures.
Yet, things have been worse and history shows that Serbs do not like to capitulate.

I hope the Serbs teach Europe a lesson in history that seems to have been forgoten in western hospitals, but it may have been forgotten in Serbia as well.

We shall see who is slipping into oblivion.

No, Serbia is acting democratically and legally when asserting that Kosovo is part of its territorial integrity - a bit like in that 1244 resolution that the EU, US, and Albanians are using as a stick to punish Serbians, while pretending that it does not restrict them.

As I have tried to argue elsewhere, I think it is time for Serbia to check out the legalities on reoccupation of Kosovo - it has fulfilled its duties over 1244 and what is going on there now in contravention of 1244 so it must be possible to make a good legal case. Serbia will need to be able to reoccupy at some stage if it is ever to re-establish its territorial integrity. Now that law is on Serbia's side, this should at least be thought about. The international press will not criticise a country that defends its territory by legal means - even if it is against the will of the great US.

Can some better lawyers than me establish a LEGAL case to overrule the political stupidity of the EU and US who have quite incompetantly, inappropriately and needlessly put democratic Serbia at risk?

unbelievable!

EA, if someone is pretending to be a victim here, then it is certainly the Albanians! I can remember how you were wining in your comments about being abused and discriminated, while I can also remember that it was the K-albanians who were killing serbian and albanian citizens of Serbia, just because they did not want to participate in that fascist greater-albania ideology...

at least try to be honest.

ea forget about alban propaganda. un said 1244 remains in force. kosovo is serbia

Serbia has a choice between joining the EU and not joining the EU. Isolation is not a choice but scare mongering.Only EU countries and US plus a couple of US protectorates support kosovo independance. Serbia has 180 countries that dont support independance. They can choose to join the SCO. Countries that are against independance are the future powerhouses like Russia, China, India and Brazil. It cost greek companies millions of pounds to go round serbia (just like it will cost kosovo now), do they intend to place sanctions on serbia because the people expressed their democratic right not to join, I somehow dont think so. The EU will not close serbias borders and so serbia will trade with the countries who support serbias territorial integrity. Serbia had built power plants abroad, they sold weopans etc they were not building or seeling to the US or EU but the developing countries. So why should serbia look to the EU who can build their own plants, make their own weopans etc. There is more trade and oppurtunities for serbia with countries like Russia and China (EU goes to china with begging bowls looking for contracts here). Serbia, has a choice, EU is not the gold they think they are.

"To all Serbs,

I was amongst your fellow countrymen in the early days, I was asked to command dicking teams, which meant harassing Serb communities and scaring them away. I hated it, I can believe we supported Albanian terrorists."

Frank,

I must assume that what you wrote here is true and that you are truly British. What you wrote is extremely disturbing and if you truly participated in these practices you will have to live with it (as you apparently do). Still I think it is very brave that you dared to write this and share it with us. This would actually mean that NATO was (as many people suspected) directly involved in the deliberate ethnic cleansing of Kosovo Serbs and other minorities. I am not sure what the legal implications are of that. I am sure that the Serbian government and the majority of the international community would be very interested to hear this. All I can hope for is that the world will learn the truth and not the anti-Serb lies that have brainwashed the masses for the past 20 years. I just do not want that certain NATO people and politicians will get away with things and that they will face justice for delibrately destroying the lives of so many innocent people.

It's quite obvious that Bulgaria are not doing very well since joining the EU and they need Serbia to join more than Serbia needs the EU. It is just to help Bulgaria out economically.

Luigi

Funny enough, I agree with you. I think all 2004 memberships and onwards states (apart from Malta and Cyprus) should not be in the EU. In my opinion they should have been in their respective trade blocs until they would actually be in the state to integrate normally into the EU, only after real progress. They could have had free trade with the EU, but not join until they reached the same levels as the EU states.

I know I am a little guy who doesn't mean anything, but my opinion is that there should have been these blocs:

1) Visegrad Four - Poland, Czech Republic, Hungary and Slovakia (the best times!).

2) CEFTA (The Balkans) - Romania, Serbia, Bulgaria, Croatia, Bosnia & Herzegovina, Albania, Macedonia, Kosovo, Slovenia and Montenegro.

3) Baltic Entente (yes I know, this is pre-WWII, so what?) - Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia.

I think this would have been better for everyone.

I think this would have been better for everyone.
(Peter Sudyka, 14 March 2008 20:23)

okay, Peter from Poland,

but you should add in your subjective information(s), that 77 PERCENT (3 out of 4) of your co-citizens voted in a referendum for to join the EU.