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Thursday, 13.03.2008.

09:37

"Belgrade, Priština should resume dialogue"

Massimo D’Alema says Balkan integration into Europe should develop via an agreement between Belgrade and Priština.

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denis

pre 16 godina

This is precisely why Europe can not lead. and why none takes them seriously.
It is unable to make up "its" mind on anything. They have always done this. That's why they need US to lead.

Without the US, Russia and Chine will very soon dominate this world, and overrun any western interests in this world. Europe is too busy making up their mind on what they should stand for. Ridiculous.

Rade

pre 16 godina

We need to talk how to improve trade and dislocated persons which interst both governments.

You are right on that one Pristinas, when all the dislocated persons are returned then Kosovo will not be Albanian any more.

Prishtinas, The Republic of Kosova

pre 16 godina

Dear All,

I think this comment from D'Alema is the right one at the the right and from the right person.

After accepting Kosova independence D'Alema did second brave act in a matter of weeks.

Kosovo and Serbia as two sovereign states now can talk anything from the needle to the planes. It is after all in their own interest to improve relations as neighbours.

Border and Military issues cannot discussed as they are very sensitive and neither dares to initiate anything in that area.

We need to talk how to improve trade and dislocated persons which interst both governments.

I am now for constructive discussions that will improve the overall political and economic climate in Balkans.

Cheers lets move forward

Another Canadian Serb

pre 16 godina

The Serbs should avoid all relations and contact with all Albanians. It is evident that Albanians bring nothing but bad news to the region of Serbia's population. I hope that current and future Serbs avoid all interaction with the Albanians because the
only way forward is not to look back.

raso

pre 16 godina

no one cares if today italy feels comfortable in her thirld world axis (usa, afghanistan and other failed states) any more.

the albanian minority is nothing special, so there won´t be special treatment within serbia.

they will never be members of nato, eu, un thanks to mr. kostunica.

if anybody likes it or not is not relevant.

gani

pre 16 godina

hi te everyone
I have on;y one think to say
Kosova with serbia is done
No more talks for status
Kosova is alredy country...
For serbia now is the best way look and goo forward.
They way they see is ..Serbia is going in DEAD END.
For Kosova future is bright very rich country...nothing gonne happen in one day or one month....but soon economy is gonne start to boom.
GOD BLESS UNTIED ALBANIANS
thank you all

ZK UK

pre 16 godina

Ilir wrote: Italy was the country that recognized Kosovo after Afghanistan. So yeah you correct! It was not the first but the second!!! I can live with that. Thank you.
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Hold on a second, Afghanistan (a country at war) was the first to recognise Kosovo, then came Albania (unsurprisingly) and then came Turkey's recognition while it was dropping bombs on the Kurds in Iraq. Then came the US, who is currently engaged in many wars throughout the world. Not a good start is it? This came on the 18th Feb while Italy didn't recognise Kosovo until the 21st, being the 14th country to do so!

As of today, 70 countries have stated they will not recognise Kosovo or will not due to connditions (EU, UN or Serbian agreement) against 27 that have. Also, no recognitions this week either.

The world is overwhelmingly supporting Serbia with 166 countries on our side.

Nemanja, Connecticut

pre 16 godina

Ilir,

So London's The Independent, Interpol, The Washington Times and the Director of the Congressional Task Force on Terrorism and Unconventional Warfare of the U.S. house of Representatives are "foolish"?. . .

The Independent reported on October 21, 2001 that Interpol has linked bin Laden to Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) crime gangs, and that he "supplied one of his top military commanders for an elite KLA unit" in Kosovo.

The Washington Times reported on May 4, 1999 that some members of the Kosovo Liberation Army, which has financed its war effort through the sale of heroin, were trained in terrorist camps run by international fugitive Osama bin Laden -- who is wanted in the 1998 bombing of two U.S. embassies in Africa that killed 224 persons, including 12 Americans.

Yossef Bodansky, Director of the House of Representatives Task Force on Terrorism, said the following: "The mujahideen established close relations with the key clans from the Drenica area in central Kosovo, the birthplace of the UCK, including Suleyman Selimi, "the Sultan," who comes from this area and is commander in chief of the UCK forces inside Kosovo. In these operations the mujahideen have already demonstrated their fearlessness and all-out commitment to the Muslim population."

Try again, buddy.

The Swiss

pre 16 godina

BREAKING AND BAD NEWS

The Us is entering into a recession (of course the bush admin still doesn't see it) the green is at his lowest against major currencies and being traded off by lot's of individuals all around the world..., the subprime second wave is approaching, one of the largest hedge and private (US) equity fund in the verge of insolvency, the baril at his record highest, all this only today....and there are more....

BREAKING GOOD NEWS

The K-Albanians will come and rescue the US...

When the super powers get together....

Ilir

pre 16 godina

Stevan,
The Enemy of the Serb people are the politician in Belgrade.
I can’t make it clearer than this… Open you eyes. Today Serbia is the laughing stock of Europe. And the gang masters who rule your country can’t blame Milosevic any longer. They need someone to point the finger at to hide their failure.
Serbia foreign minister announced that there will be no economic embargo to Kosovo in complete reversal to his position prior to the independency.
Please don’t tell me that your government somehow love the “Siptaris” now!!

Nemanja,
Italy was the country that recognized Kosovo after Afghanistan. So yeah you correct! It was not the first but the second!!! I can live with that. Thank you.
As for your claim regarding Al-Qaida is just foolish.

ZK UK

pre 16 godina

Arben, If the Albanians want to believe they are independent then I am happy with that.

However, we all know that is not the case otherwise they wouldn't be here on a Serbian site attempting to convince everyone.

I mean, you don't have Montenegrans coming here proclaiming their independence now do you? You also don't hear any Serbs disputing it.

There is a big difference between true independence and one of an illegal quasi puppet nature. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puppet_state

Another Canadian Serb

pre 16 godina

Attention : Mark Green

Who says that Kosovo is an independent Nation?
You?
or
the USA
or the organization named the EU that Serbia is not even part of. So why would Serbia recognize the EU acknowledgement of Kosovo's UDI when, infact Serbia is not even a member. If Serbia was a member, then i would assume she would have to abide by the EU Rules. Therefore, i guess it is a good thing that Serbia is not a member of the EU.
Mark, you seem to forget that the WORLD has not recognized Kosovo but, only a handfull of arm wrestled EU Members.
Who runs the LAW? The remaining countries of the WORLD or a handfull of EU members.
Mark,
How do you expect 10 million Serbs to give up their territory because of a handfull of recognitions.

Willy Nilly

pre 16 godina

Of course dialogue needs to continue.
All the missing persons need to be returned home (over 2000 of them) and all the damages that have been caused to Kosovars during the war has to be reimbursed by the Serbian government

Arben

pre 16 godina

ZK UK
-The purpose of "more than autonomy but less than independence" is so that Belgrade does not rule the Albanians. Why would Belgrade want to anyway? There is no hope that will happen, just like the Albanians will never rule the Serbs."-

Hence, independence of Kosovo/a was the best solution.

Stevan

pre 16 godina

“… In an interview given to BBC today Antihsari announce that Belgrade fully know it that Kosovo would have the independency. It was made clear to them since 2006.

I wonder why the politicians of Belgrade never tell their people about the truth.”
Ilir, we, Serbs understand very well that our enemies, (who have choosen M. Anthisari to work for them), wants to snatch Kosovo, (among the other things), from us. It is obvious that they want to destroy us, no need that our politicians explain that to us, it’s clear. Truth is that we are not going to accept it. It doesn’t meter how strong they are, we are will resist as we always did.

Nemanja, Connecticut

pre 16 godina

Nice try, Ilir. . .but the mighty 'democracy' of Afghanistan was the first to recognize the theft of the province of Kosovo. . .not Italy.

Al-Qaida has to support its brethren in Eastern Europe!

ZK UK

pre 16 godina

Mark Green

The purpose of "more than autonomy but less than independence" is so that Belgrade does not rule the Albanians. Why would Belgrade want to anyway? There is no hope that will happen, just like the Albanians will never rule the Serbs. The only place anything like that is suggested is in the western press for propaganda purposes.

Serbia's interest is to preserve its borders, regions of influence, historical and religious sites. Kosovo is currently some kind of illegal quasi puppet entity http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puppet_state and will never be independent, so the only way to finalise it is through negotiations.

However, it will take some time for the Albanians to realise that independence will never be acheived. Also, it's not up to the Albanians to negotiate but rather their masters.

Luigi

pre 16 godina

To everybody let me explain some political jargon by our ex-Foreign affair minister..
D'Alema has been criticized by the left wing of his coalition for the kosovo decision ..now there are elections in Italy so he needs to rebalance his position..
in the same interview he also suggest dialogue between Hamas and Israel and Iran and USA ..
i THINK THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND WHAT KIND OF MAN IS THE MAN FROM GALLIPOLI..
He has said yes to kosovo because he was prime minister when Nato bombardede Serbia and his position at that time was sublime he was against the war but he allowed THE use of the Italian bases by USA..
Now he has said yes to Kosovo but at the same time he would have done in a different way ..

Ilir

pre 16 godina

Can I just mention that Italy was the first country to recognize Kosovo full independence?
When you write thank you Massimo does this mean you be of the same mind about the independence of Kosovo?
Regarding the comments apparently made by Massimo a word of advise.
Don’t believe everything that your media is telling you.
There is no way in an earth to even think reversing the independence and complete ludicrous to even think talking to Belgrade.
In an interview given to BBC today Antihsari announce that Belgrade fully know it that Kosovo would have the independency. It was made clear to them since 2006.
I wonder why the politicians of Belgrade never tell their people about the truth.
!!

KS

pre 16 godina

As someone mentioned, "that the dialogue should start. There are a lot of issue to clear like, pensions, stolen property, war criminals, bilateral trade issues, visas, return of Serbs to Kosova and Albanians to Medvegja, debt …"

but primarily Serbia should start some bilateral agreements with the HAGUE.

Matthew

pre 16 godina

It's a threat...

"Balkan integration into Europe should develop via an agreement between Belgrade and Priština."

We're seeing more and more of this, Serbia must settle Kosovo if they want to get into the EU.

Funny how they keep changing their demands.

We'll see election day if Serbia wants a EU future at any cost or not.

Roger7

pre 16 godina

“I hope that they will soon pick up the dialogue that was interrupted,”

The dialogue was not interrupted it was intentionally stopped.

Just tell the truth Mr. Massimo.
It was the Serbian govt. who requested that the dialogue continue.

So now, you want to appear co-operative for the sole purpose of legitimizing the UDI.

Ridiculous!

Too little, too late!

C

pre 16 godina

Kosovo is an independent country now. There's no going back.

If you read D'Alema's comments correctly - he means an agreement between two countries is needed to make it easier to achieve European integrations.

There's absolutely no question of independence being revoked - that's just unthinkable, but perhaps the wishful thinking types still entertain the idea. Perhaps they have little else to think about in life.

Mark Green

pre 16 godina

Serbia has always stated that negotiations are the only way to a peaceful solution but the US has attempted to impose one. That will only continue to divide the people.

Given that Kosovo will never be independent the government and people need to acknowledge that and come to an agreement. The offer is more than autonomy but less than independence. That is more than it will ever get, even if it attempts to pursue the path of independence. The world is simply against it and the potential to cause further conflict is quite high.

If the time is not now, it will come eventually


The Albanians don't wish to be ruled by Belgrade again, yet the Serbian Government refuses to see this, why shouldn't the K Albanians have the independence they deserve, why should they be forced to accept autonomy to keep Belgrade happy and so that Belgrade doesn't stir up any Serb communties in neighbouring states.

As for the statement more than autonomy less than independence, they already have more than any possible autonomy, why negioate for less.

As for dividing the people, aren't the Serbs and Albanians already divided, whatever the result of negioations, one side is going to feel robbed and a legacy of hatred will will be left, most likely that of the K Albanians when forced to live under Serbian rule again.

I would ask Kate and all the other Serb posters, how you expect the K Albanians to give up their independence, whether it be legal or Illegal?

miri

pre 16 godina

D'Alema said: "... it doesn’t seem probable to me that it will become a UN member state before an agreement with Serbia has been reached,” he declared. "

Absolutely right D'Alema!! Kosova's government should start the efforts to make Serbia recognize Kosova as an independent state, because as you say, Serbia's disagreement inhibits Kosova's UN acceptance.

Serbia is welcomes to discuss the conditions for recognizing independence, just don't fool yourselves, there is no chance on our "solar system" that independence will be revoked.

ahmed

pre 16 godina

If Mr D'Alema is either having second thoughts on Kosova's recognition then its a bit too late for that.
His country has recognised us and also contributed to the formation of EULEX.As far as we're concerned we're
looking forward to more recognitions and to our membership of NATO and EU.There is not turning back

Princip, UK

pre 16 godina

“Kosovo has not achieved full independence, lives under an international protectorate and it doesn’t seem probable to me that it will become a UN member state before an agreement with Serbia has been reached,”

- and I thought Status Quo was untenable?

Looks like another remarkable comeback for Status Quo!!! Has anyone told the likes of Thaci - maybe Rupel can explain the reality to Thaci as succinctly as Massimo put it?

Peter Sudyka

pre 16 godina

He is right, it is inevitable that for Kosovo to move up in the world, it would need to negotiate a settlement with Serbia.

If this were to be done, Russia, China, Spain, Romania, Greece, Slovakia and Cyprus would have no reason to veto their membership anywhere.

Unfortunately both are too arrogant and stubborn to come to a mutual agreement (one only wants independence from the other, the other only wants autonomy for the other), so it will just stay as Kosovo being independent, semi-recognized and not a part of any major organization (like Taiwan, Palestine and Sawhari Arab Republic). This was the price Kosovo had to pay.

Olf

pre 16 godina

Of course that the dialogue should start. There are a lot of issue to clear like, pensions, stolen property, war criminals, bilateral trade issues, visas, return of Serbs to Kosova and Albanians to Medvegja, debt …

Python

pre 16 godina

Albanians had a chance for a dialogue with Serbs but they missed it. Now it is too late, the damage has already been done. Another chance might present itself if Albanians elected a new leadership that would cancel the declaration of independence and expel all criminals from Kosovo but somehow I cannot see that happening.

ZK UK

pre 16 godina

Serbia has always stated that negotiations are the only way to a peaceful solution but the US has attempted to impose one. That will only continue to divide the people.

Given that Kosovo will never be independent the government and people need to acknowledge that and come to an agreement. The offer is more than autonomy but less than independence. That is more than it will ever get, even if it attempts to pursue the path of independence. The world is simply against it and the potential to cause further conflict is quite high.

If the time is not now, it will come eventually.

peter, sydney

pre 16 godina

Is about time some-one in Europe started talking some sense.
Bravo Massimo. Now go knock-together a few heads in 'brussels'.

Marco, Amsterdam

pre 16 godina

My analysis: Although they should have known better, the EU thought that most countries in the world would immediately recognize Kosovo as an independent state, so that after a few weeks Serbia and Russia would have no other option than to recognize Kosovo too. The Italian FM now realizes that the EU gambled wrongly and is calling for new negotiations. Yes, the EU leaders are great statesmen (NOT).

The Swiss

pre 16 godina

“Kosovo has not achieved full independence, lives under an international protectorate and it doesn’t seem probable to me that it will become a UN member state before an agreement with Serbia has been reached,” he declared


Hold on, hold on, did we again miss a chapter!! More and more comments going to this direction!!

lowe

pre 16 godina

“Kosovo has not achieved full independence, lives under an international protectorate and it doesn’t seem probable to me that it will become a UN member state before an agreement with Serbia has been reached,” he declared.

“That means that both sides need to reach an agreement,” said the Italian foreign minister to press agency ANSA."

one doesn't need to be a genius to be able to see this all along. Obviously there are no geniuses in Washington, London and Paris.

lowe

pre 16 godina

“Kosovo has not achieved full independence, lives under an international protectorate and it doesn’t seem probable to me that it will become a UN member state before an agreement with Serbia has been reached,” he declared.

“That means that both sides need to reach an agreement,” said the Italian foreign minister to press agency ANSA."

one doesn't need to be a genius to be able to see this all along. Obviously there are no geniuses in Washington, London and Paris.

Marco, Amsterdam

pre 16 godina

My analysis: Although they should have known better, the EU thought that most countries in the world would immediately recognize Kosovo as an independent state, so that after a few weeks Serbia and Russia would have no other option than to recognize Kosovo too. The Italian FM now realizes that the EU gambled wrongly and is calling for new negotiations. Yes, the EU leaders are great statesmen (NOT).

peter, sydney

pre 16 godina

Is about time some-one in Europe started talking some sense.
Bravo Massimo. Now go knock-together a few heads in 'brussels'.

ZK UK

pre 16 godina

Serbia has always stated that negotiations are the only way to a peaceful solution but the US has attempted to impose one. That will only continue to divide the people.

Given that Kosovo will never be independent the government and people need to acknowledge that and come to an agreement. The offer is more than autonomy but less than independence. That is more than it will ever get, even if it attempts to pursue the path of independence. The world is simply against it and the potential to cause further conflict is quite high.

If the time is not now, it will come eventually.

The Swiss

pre 16 godina

“Kosovo has not achieved full independence, lives under an international protectorate and it doesn’t seem probable to me that it will become a UN member state before an agreement with Serbia has been reached,” he declared


Hold on, hold on, did we again miss a chapter!! More and more comments going to this direction!!

Python

pre 16 godina

Albanians had a chance for a dialogue with Serbs but they missed it. Now it is too late, the damage has already been done. Another chance might present itself if Albanians elected a new leadership that would cancel the declaration of independence and expel all criminals from Kosovo but somehow I cannot see that happening.

Princip, UK

pre 16 godina

“Kosovo has not achieved full independence, lives under an international protectorate and it doesn’t seem probable to me that it will become a UN member state before an agreement with Serbia has been reached,”

- and I thought Status Quo was untenable?

Looks like another remarkable comeback for Status Quo!!! Has anyone told the likes of Thaci - maybe Rupel can explain the reality to Thaci as succinctly as Massimo put it?

Olf

pre 16 godina

Of course that the dialogue should start. There are a lot of issue to clear like, pensions, stolen property, war criminals, bilateral trade issues, visas, return of Serbs to Kosova and Albanians to Medvegja, debt …

Roger7

pre 16 godina

“I hope that they will soon pick up the dialogue that was interrupted,”

The dialogue was not interrupted it was intentionally stopped.

Just tell the truth Mr. Massimo.
It was the Serbian govt. who requested that the dialogue continue.

So now, you want to appear co-operative for the sole purpose of legitimizing the UDI.

Ridiculous!

Too little, too late!

ZK UK

pre 16 godina

Mark Green

The purpose of "more than autonomy but less than independence" is so that Belgrade does not rule the Albanians. Why would Belgrade want to anyway? There is no hope that will happen, just like the Albanians will never rule the Serbs. The only place anything like that is suggested is in the western press for propaganda purposes.

Serbia's interest is to preserve its borders, regions of influence, historical and religious sites. Kosovo is currently some kind of illegal quasi puppet entity http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puppet_state and will never be independent, so the only way to finalise it is through negotiations.

However, it will take some time for the Albanians to realise that independence will never be acheived. Also, it's not up to the Albanians to negotiate but rather their masters.

ZK UK

pre 16 godina

Arben, If the Albanians want to believe they are independent then I am happy with that.

However, we all know that is not the case otherwise they wouldn't be here on a Serbian site attempting to convince everyone.

I mean, you don't have Montenegrans coming here proclaiming their independence now do you? You also don't hear any Serbs disputing it.

There is a big difference between true independence and one of an illegal quasi puppet nature. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puppet_state

Luigi

pre 16 godina

To everybody let me explain some political jargon by our ex-Foreign affair minister..
D'Alema has been criticized by the left wing of his coalition for the kosovo decision ..now there are elections in Italy so he needs to rebalance his position..
in the same interview he also suggest dialogue between Hamas and Israel and Iran and USA ..
i THINK THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND WHAT KIND OF MAN IS THE MAN FROM GALLIPOLI..
He has said yes to kosovo because he was prime minister when Nato bombardede Serbia and his position at that time was sublime he was against the war but he allowed THE use of the Italian bases by USA..
Now he has said yes to Kosovo but at the same time he would have done in a different way ..

ZK UK

pre 16 godina

Ilir wrote: Italy was the country that recognized Kosovo after Afghanistan. So yeah you correct! It was not the first but the second!!! I can live with that. Thank you.
--
Hold on a second, Afghanistan (a country at war) was the first to recognise Kosovo, then came Albania (unsurprisingly) and then came Turkey's recognition while it was dropping bombs on the Kurds in Iraq. Then came the US, who is currently engaged in many wars throughout the world. Not a good start is it? This came on the 18th Feb while Italy didn't recognise Kosovo until the 21st, being the 14th country to do so!

As of today, 70 countries have stated they will not recognise Kosovo or will not due to connditions (EU, UN or Serbian agreement) against 27 that have. Also, no recognitions this week either.

The world is overwhelmingly supporting Serbia with 166 countries on our side.

Nemanja, Connecticut

pre 16 godina

Nice try, Ilir. . .but the mighty 'democracy' of Afghanistan was the first to recognize the theft of the province of Kosovo. . .not Italy.

Al-Qaida has to support its brethren in Eastern Europe!

Stevan

pre 16 godina

“… In an interview given to BBC today Antihsari announce that Belgrade fully know it that Kosovo would have the independency. It was made clear to them since 2006.

I wonder why the politicians of Belgrade never tell their people about the truth.”
Ilir, we, Serbs understand very well that our enemies, (who have choosen M. Anthisari to work for them), wants to snatch Kosovo, (among the other things), from us. It is obvious that they want to destroy us, no need that our politicians explain that to us, it’s clear. Truth is that we are not going to accept it. It doesn’t meter how strong they are, we are will resist as we always did.

Another Canadian Serb

pre 16 godina

Attention : Mark Green

Who says that Kosovo is an independent Nation?
You?
or
the USA
or the organization named the EU that Serbia is not even part of. So why would Serbia recognize the EU acknowledgement of Kosovo's UDI when, infact Serbia is not even a member. If Serbia was a member, then i would assume she would have to abide by the EU Rules. Therefore, i guess it is a good thing that Serbia is not a member of the EU.
Mark, you seem to forget that the WORLD has not recognized Kosovo but, only a handfull of arm wrestled EU Members.
Who runs the LAW? The remaining countries of the WORLD or a handfull of EU members.
Mark,
How do you expect 10 million Serbs to give up their territory because of a handfull of recognitions.

C

pre 16 godina

Kosovo is an independent country now. There's no going back.

If you read D'Alema's comments correctly - he means an agreement between two countries is needed to make it easier to achieve European integrations.

There's absolutely no question of independence being revoked - that's just unthinkable, but perhaps the wishful thinking types still entertain the idea. Perhaps they have little else to think about in life.

ahmed

pre 16 godina

If Mr D'Alema is either having second thoughts on Kosova's recognition then its a bit too late for that.
His country has recognised us and also contributed to the formation of EULEX.As far as we're concerned we're
looking forward to more recognitions and to our membership of NATO and EU.There is not turning back

Mark Green

pre 16 godina

Serbia has always stated that negotiations are the only way to a peaceful solution but the US has attempted to impose one. That will only continue to divide the people.

Given that Kosovo will never be independent the government and people need to acknowledge that and come to an agreement. The offer is more than autonomy but less than independence. That is more than it will ever get, even if it attempts to pursue the path of independence. The world is simply against it and the potential to cause further conflict is quite high.

If the time is not now, it will come eventually


The Albanians don't wish to be ruled by Belgrade again, yet the Serbian Government refuses to see this, why shouldn't the K Albanians have the independence they deserve, why should they be forced to accept autonomy to keep Belgrade happy and so that Belgrade doesn't stir up any Serb communties in neighbouring states.

As for the statement more than autonomy less than independence, they already have more than any possible autonomy, why negioate for less.

As for dividing the people, aren't the Serbs and Albanians already divided, whatever the result of negioations, one side is going to feel robbed and a legacy of hatred will will be left, most likely that of the K Albanians when forced to live under Serbian rule again.

I would ask Kate and all the other Serb posters, how you expect the K Albanians to give up their independence, whether it be legal or Illegal?

Peter Sudyka

pre 16 godina

He is right, it is inevitable that for Kosovo to move up in the world, it would need to negotiate a settlement with Serbia.

If this were to be done, Russia, China, Spain, Romania, Greece, Slovakia and Cyprus would have no reason to veto their membership anywhere.

Unfortunately both are too arrogant and stubborn to come to a mutual agreement (one only wants independence from the other, the other only wants autonomy for the other), so it will just stay as Kosovo being independent, semi-recognized and not a part of any major organization (like Taiwan, Palestine and Sawhari Arab Republic). This was the price Kosovo had to pay.

miri

pre 16 godina

D'Alema said: "... it doesn’t seem probable to me that it will become a UN member state before an agreement with Serbia has been reached,” he declared. "

Absolutely right D'Alema!! Kosova's government should start the efforts to make Serbia recognize Kosova as an independent state, because as you say, Serbia's disagreement inhibits Kosova's UN acceptance.

Serbia is welcomes to discuss the conditions for recognizing independence, just don't fool yourselves, there is no chance on our "solar system" that independence will be revoked.

Matthew

pre 16 godina

It's a threat...

"Balkan integration into Europe should develop via an agreement between Belgrade and Priština."

We're seeing more and more of this, Serbia must settle Kosovo if they want to get into the EU.

Funny how they keep changing their demands.

We'll see election day if Serbia wants a EU future at any cost or not.

The Swiss

pre 16 godina

BREAKING AND BAD NEWS

The Us is entering into a recession (of course the bush admin still doesn't see it) the green is at his lowest against major currencies and being traded off by lot's of individuals all around the world..., the subprime second wave is approaching, one of the largest hedge and private (US) equity fund in the verge of insolvency, the baril at his record highest, all this only today....and there are more....

BREAKING GOOD NEWS

The K-Albanians will come and rescue the US...

When the super powers get together....

Nemanja, Connecticut

pre 16 godina

Ilir,

So London's The Independent, Interpol, The Washington Times and the Director of the Congressional Task Force on Terrorism and Unconventional Warfare of the U.S. house of Representatives are "foolish"?. . .

The Independent reported on October 21, 2001 that Interpol has linked bin Laden to Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) crime gangs, and that he "supplied one of his top military commanders for an elite KLA unit" in Kosovo.

The Washington Times reported on May 4, 1999 that some members of the Kosovo Liberation Army, which has financed its war effort through the sale of heroin, were trained in terrorist camps run by international fugitive Osama bin Laden -- who is wanted in the 1998 bombing of two U.S. embassies in Africa that killed 224 persons, including 12 Americans.

Yossef Bodansky, Director of the House of Representatives Task Force on Terrorism, said the following: "The mujahideen established close relations with the key clans from the Drenica area in central Kosovo, the birthplace of the UCK, including Suleyman Selimi, "the Sultan," who comes from this area and is commander in chief of the UCK forces inside Kosovo. In these operations the mujahideen have already demonstrated their fearlessness and all-out commitment to the Muslim population."

Try again, buddy.

Ilir

pre 16 godina

Can I just mention that Italy was the first country to recognize Kosovo full independence?
When you write thank you Massimo does this mean you be of the same mind about the independence of Kosovo?
Regarding the comments apparently made by Massimo a word of advise.
Don’t believe everything that your media is telling you.
There is no way in an earth to even think reversing the independence and complete ludicrous to even think talking to Belgrade.
In an interview given to BBC today Antihsari announce that Belgrade fully know it that Kosovo would have the independency. It was made clear to them since 2006.
I wonder why the politicians of Belgrade never tell their people about the truth.
!!

KS

pre 16 godina

As someone mentioned, "that the dialogue should start. There are a lot of issue to clear like, pensions, stolen property, war criminals, bilateral trade issues, visas, return of Serbs to Kosova and Albanians to Medvegja, debt …"

but primarily Serbia should start some bilateral agreements with the HAGUE.

Rade

pre 16 godina

We need to talk how to improve trade and dislocated persons which interst both governments.

You are right on that one Pristinas, when all the dislocated persons are returned then Kosovo will not be Albanian any more.

Another Canadian Serb

pre 16 godina

The Serbs should avoid all relations and contact with all Albanians. It is evident that Albanians bring nothing but bad news to the region of Serbia's population. I hope that current and future Serbs avoid all interaction with the Albanians because the
only way forward is not to look back.

Ilir

pre 16 godina

Stevan,
The Enemy of the Serb people are the politician in Belgrade.
I can’t make it clearer than this… Open you eyes. Today Serbia is the laughing stock of Europe. And the gang masters who rule your country can’t blame Milosevic any longer. They need someone to point the finger at to hide their failure.
Serbia foreign minister announced that there will be no economic embargo to Kosovo in complete reversal to his position prior to the independency.
Please don’t tell me that your government somehow love the “Siptaris” now!!

Nemanja,
Italy was the country that recognized Kosovo after Afghanistan. So yeah you correct! It was not the first but the second!!! I can live with that. Thank you.
As for your claim regarding Al-Qaida is just foolish.

raso

pre 16 godina

no one cares if today italy feels comfortable in her thirld world axis (usa, afghanistan and other failed states) any more.

the albanian minority is nothing special, so there won´t be special treatment within serbia.

they will never be members of nato, eu, un thanks to mr. kostunica.

if anybody likes it or not is not relevant.

Willy Nilly

pre 16 godina

Of course dialogue needs to continue.
All the missing persons need to be returned home (over 2000 of them) and all the damages that have been caused to Kosovars during the war has to be reimbursed by the Serbian government

Arben

pre 16 godina

ZK UK
-The purpose of "more than autonomy but less than independence" is so that Belgrade does not rule the Albanians. Why would Belgrade want to anyway? There is no hope that will happen, just like the Albanians will never rule the Serbs."-

Hence, independence of Kosovo/a was the best solution.

Prishtinas, The Republic of Kosova

pre 16 godina

Dear All,

I think this comment from D'Alema is the right one at the the right and from the right person.

After accepting Kosova independence D'Alema did second brave act in a matter of weeks.

Kosovo and Serbia as two sovereign states now can talk anything from the needle to the planes. It is after all in their own interest to improve relations as neighbours.

Border and Military issues cannot discussed as they are very sensitive and neither dares to initiate anything in that area.

We need to talk how to improve trade and dislocated persons which interst both governments.

I am now for constructive discussions that will improve the overall political and economic climate in Balkans.

Cheers lets move forward

gani

pre 16 godina

hi te everyone
I have on;y one think to say
Kosova with serbia is done
No more talks for status
Kosova is alredy country...
For serbia now is the best way look and goo forward.
They way they see is ..Serbia is going in DEAD END.
For Kosova future is bright very rich country...nothing gonne happen in one day or one month....but soon economy is gonne start to boom.
GOD BLESS UNTIED ALBANIANS
thank you all

denis

pre 16 godina

This is precisely why Europe can not lead. and why none takes them seriously.
It is unable to make up "its" mind on anything. They have always done this. That's why they need US to lead.

Without the US, Russia and Chine will very soon dominate this world, and overrun any western interests in this world. Europe is too busy making up their mind on what they should stand for. Ridiculous.

ahmed

pre 16 godina

If Mr D'Alema is either having second thoughts on Kosova's recognition then its a bit too late for that.
His country has recognised us and also contributed to the formation of EULEX.As far as we're concerned we're
looking forward to more recognitions and to our membership of NATO and EU.There is not turning back

Olf

pre 16 godina

Of course that the dialogue should start. There are a lot of issue to clear like, pensions, stolen property, war criminals, bilateral trade issues, visas, return of Serbs to Kosova and Albanians to Medvegja, debt …

Mark Green

pre 16 godina

Serbia has always stated that negotiations are the only way to a peaceful solution but the US has attempted to impose one. That will only continue to divide the people.

Given that Kosovo will never be independent the government and people need to acknowledge that and come to an agreement. The offer is more than autonomy but less than independence. That is more than it will ever get, even if it attempts to pursue the path of independence. The world is simply against it and the potential to cause further conflict is quite high.

If the time is not now, it will come eventually


The Albanians don't wish to be ruled by Belgrade again, yet the Serbian Government refuses to see this, why shouldn't the K Albanians have the independence they deserve, why should they be forced to accept autonomy to keep Belgrade happy and so that Belgrade doesn't stir up any Serb communties in neighbouring states.

As for the statement more than autonomy less than independence, they already have more than any possible autonomy, why negioate for less.

As for dividing the people, aren't the Serbs and Albanians already divided, whatever the result of negioations, one side is going to feel robbed and a legacy of hatred will will be left, most likely that of the K Albanians when forced to live under Serbian rule again.

I would ask Kate and all the other Serb posters, how you expect the K Albanians to give up their independence, whether it be legal or Illegal?

miri

pre 16 godina

D'Alema said: "... it doesn’t seem probable to me that it will become a UN member state before an agreement with Serbia has been reached,” he declared. "

Absolutely right D'Alema!! Kosova's government should start the efforts to make Serbia recognize Kosova as an independent state, because as you say, Serbia's disagreement inhibits Kosova's UN acceptance.

Serbia is welcomes to discuss the conditions for recognizing independence, just don't fool yourselves, there is no chance on our "solar system" that independence will be revoked.

Peter Sudyka

pre 16 godina

He is right, it is inevitable that for Kosovo to move up in the world, it would need to negotiate a settlement with Serbia.

If this were to be done, Russia, China, Spain, Romania, Greece, Slovakia and Cyprus would have no reason to veto their membership anywhere.

Unfortunately both are too arrogant and stubborn to come to a mutual agreement (one only wants independence from the other, the other only wants autonomy for the other), so it will just stay as Kosovo being independent, semi-recognized and not a part of any major organization (like Taiwan, Palestine and Sawhari Arab Republic). This was the price Kosovo had to pay.

C

pre 16 godina

Kosovo is an independent country now. There's no going back.

If you read D'Alema's comments correctly - he means an agreement between two countries is needed to make it easier to achieve European integrations.

There's absolutely no question of independence being revoked - that's just unthinkable, but perhaps the wishful thinking types still entertain the idea. Perhaps they have little else to think about in life.

Ilir

pre 16 godina

Can I just mention that Italy was the first country to recognize Kosovo full independence?
When you write thank you Massimo does this mean you be of the same mind about the independence of Kosovo?
Regarding the comments apparently made by Massimo a word of advise.
Don’t believe everything that your media is telling you.
There is no way in an earth to even think reversing the independence and complete ludicrous to even think talking to Belgrade.
In an interview given to BBC today Antihsari announce that Belgrade fully know it that Kosovo would have the independency. It was made clear to them since 2006.
I wonder why the politicians of Belgrade never tell their people about the truth.
!!

KS

pre 16 godina

As someone mentioned, "that the dialogue should start. There are a lot of issue to clear like, pensions, stolen property, war criminals, bilateral trade issues, visas, return of Serbs to Kosova and Albanians to Medvegja, debt …"

but primarily Serbia should start some bilateral agreements with the HAGUE.

Willy Nilly

pre 16 godina

Of course dialogue needs to continue.
All the missing persons need to be returned home (over 2000 of them) and all the damages that have been caused to Kosovars during the war has to be reimbursed by the Serbian government

Arben

pre 16 godina

ZK UK
-The purpose of "more than autonomy but less than independence" is so that Belgrade does not rule the Albanians. Why would Belgrade want to anyway? There is no hope that will happen, just like the Albanians will never rule the Serbs."-

Hence, independence of Kosovo/a was the best solution.

gani

pre 16 godina

hi te everyone
I have on;y one think to say
Kosova with serbia is done
No more talks for status
Kosova is alredy country...
For serbia now is the best way look and goo forward.
They way they see is ..Serbia is going in DEAD END.
For Kosova future is bright very rich country...nothing gonne happen in one day or one month....but soon economy is gonne start to boom.
GOD BLESS UNTIED ALBANIANS
thank you all

The Swiss

pre 16 godina

“Kosovo has not achieved full independence, lives under an international protectorate and it doesn’t seem probable to me that it will become a UN member state before an agreement with Serbia has been reached,” he declared


Hold on, hold on, did we again miss a chapter!! More and more comments going to this direction!!

ZK UK

pre 16 godina

Serbia has always stated that negotiations are the only way to a peaceful solution but the US has attempted to impose one. That will only continue to divide the people.

Given that Kosovo will never be independent the government and people need to acknowledge that and come to an agreement. The offer is more than autonomy but less than independence. That is more than it will ever get, even if it attempts to pursue the path of independence. The world is simply against it and the potential to cause further conflict is quite high.

If the time is not now, it will come eventually.

Matthew

pre 16 godina

It's a threat...

"Balkan integration into Europe should develop via an agreement between Belgrade and Priština."

We're seeing more and more of this, Serbia must settle Kosovo if they want to get into the EU.

Funny how they keep changing their demands.

We'll see election day if Serbia wants a EU future at any cost or not.

Ilir

pre 16 godina

Stevan,
The Enemy of the Serb people are the politician in Belgrade.
I can’t make it clearer than this… Open you eyes. Today Serbia is the laughing stock of Europe. And the gang masters who rule your country can’t blame Milosevic any longer. They need someone to point the finger at to hide their failure.
Serbia foreign minister announced that there will be no economic embargo to Kosovo in complete reversal to his position prior to the independency.
Please don’t tell me that your government somehow love the “Siptaris” now!!

Nemanja,
Italy was the country that recognized Kosovo after Afghanistan. So yeah you correct! It was not the first but the second!!! I can live with that. Thank you.
As for your claim regarding Al-Qaida is just foolish.

Nemanja, Connecticut

pre 16 godina

Ilir,

So London's The Independent, Interpol, The Washington Times and the Director of the Congressional Task Force on Terrorism and Unconventional Warfare of the U.S. house of Representatives are "foolish"?. . .

The Independent reported on October 21, 2001 that Interpol has linked bin Laden to Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) crime gangs, and that he "supplied one of his top military commanders for an elite KLA unit" in Kosovo.

The Washington Times reported on May 4, 1999 that some members of the Kosovo Liberation Army, which has financed its war effort through the sale of heroin, were trained in terrorist camps run by international fugitive Osama bin Laden -- who is wanted in the 1998 bombing of two U.S. embassies in Africa that killed 224 persons, including 12 Americans.

Yossef Bodansky, Director of the House of Representatives Task Force on Terrorism, said the following: "The mujahideen established close relations with the key clans from the Drenica area in central Kosovo, the birthplace of the UCK, including Suleyman Selimi, "the Sultan," who comes from this area and is commander in chief of the UCK forces inside Kosovo. In these operations the mujahideen have already demonstrated their fearlessness and all-out commitment to the Muslim population."

Try again, buddy.

ZK UK

pre 16 godina

Ilir wrote: Italy was the country that recognized Kosovo after Afghanistan. So yeah you correct! It was not the first but the second!!! I can live with that. Thank you.
--
Hold on a second, Afghanistan (a country at war) was the first to recognise Kosovo, then came Albania (unsurprisingly) and then came Turkey's recognition while it was dropping bombs on the Kurds in Iraq. Then came the US, who is currently engaged in many wars throughout the world. Not a good start is it? This came on the 18th Feb while Italy didn't recognise Kosovo until the 21st, being the 14th country to do so!

As of today, 70 countries have stated they will not recognise Kosovo or will not due to connditions (EU, UN or Serbian agreement) against 27 that have. Also, no recognitions this week either.

The world is overwhelmingly supporting Serbia with 166 countries on our side.

Another Canadian Serb

pre 16 godina

The Serbs should avoid all relations and contact with all Albanians. It is evident that Albanians bring nothing but bad news to the region of Serbia's population. I hope that current and future Serbs avoid all interaction with the Albanians because the
only way forward is not to look back.

Prishtinas, The Republic of Kosova

pre 16 godina

Dear All,

I think this comment from D'Alema is the right one at the the right and from the right person.

After accepting Kosova independence D'Alema did second brave act in a matter of weeks.

Kosovo and Serbia as two sovereign states now can talk anything from the needle to the planes. It is after all in their own interest to improve relations as neighbours.

Border and Military issues cannot discussed as they are very sensitive and neither dares to initiate anything in that area.

We need to talk how to improve trade and dislocated persons which interst both governments.

I am now for constructive discussions that will improve the overall political and economic climate in Balkans.

Cheers lets move forward

denis

pre 16 godina

This is precisely why Europe can not lead. and why none takes them seriously.
It is unable to make up "its" mind on anything. They have always done this. That's why they need US to lead.

Without the US, Russia and Chine will very soon dominate this world, and overrun any western interests in this world. Europe is too busy making up their mind on what they should stand for. Ridiculous.

lowe

pre 16 godina

“Kosovo has not achieved full independence, lives under an international protectorate and it doesn’t seem probable to me that it will become a UN member state before an agreement with Serbia has been reached,” he declared.

“That means that both sides need to reach an agreement,” said the Italian foreign minister to press agency ANSA."

one doesn't need to be a genius to be able to see this all along. Obviously there are no geniuses in Washington, London and Paris.

Marco, Amsterdam

pre 16 godina

My analysis: Although they should have known better, the EU thought that most countries in the world would immediately recognize Kosovo as an independent state, so that after a few weeks Serbia and Russia would have no other option than to recognize Kosovo too. The Italian FM now realizes that the EU gambled wrongly and is calling for new negotiations. Yes, the EU leaders are great statesmen (NOT).

peter, sydney

pre 16 godina

Is about time some-one in Europe started talking some sense.
Bravo Massimo. Now go knock-together a few heads in 'brussels'.

Python

pre 16 godina

Albanians had a chance for a dialogue with Serbs but they missed it. Now it is too late, the damage has already been done. Another chance might present itself if Albanians elected a new leadership that would cancel the declaration of independence and expel all criminals from Kosovo but somehow I cannot see that happening.

Princip, UK

pre 16 godina

“Kosovo has not achieved full independence, lives under an international protectorate and it doesn’t seem probable to me that it will become a UN member state before an agreement with Serbia has been reached,”

- and I thought Status Quo was untenable?

Looks like another remarkable comeback for Status Quo!!! Has anyone told the likes of Thaci - maybe Rupel can explain the reality to Thaci as succinctly as Massimo put it?

Roger7

pre 16 godina

“I hope that they will soon pick up the dialogue that was interrupted,”

The dialogue was not interrupted it was intentionally stopped.

Just tell the truth Mr. Massimo.
It was the Serbian govt. who requested that the dialogue continue.

So now, you want to appear co-operative for the sole purpose of legitimizing the UDI.

Ridiculous!

Too little, too late!

Luigi

pre 16 godina

To everybody let me explain some political jargon by our ex-Foreign affair minister..
D'Alema has been criticized by the left wing of his coalition for the kosovo decision ..now there are elections in Italy so he needs to rebalance his position..
in the same interview he also suggest dialogue between Hamas and Israel and Iran and USA ..
i THINK THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND WHAT KIND OF MAN IS THE MAN FROM GALLIPOLI..
He has said yes to kosovo because he was prime minister when Nato bombardede Serbia and his position at that time was sublime he was against the war but he allowed THE use of the Italian bases by USA..
Now he has said yes to Kosovo but at the same time he would have done in a different way ..

ZK UK

pre 16 godina

Mark Green

The purpose of "more than autonomy but less than independence" is so that Belgrade does not rule the Albanians. Why would Belgrade want to anyway? There is no hope that will happen, just like the Albanians will never rule the Serbs. The only place anything like that is suggested is in the western press for propaganda purposes.

Serbia's interest is to preserve its borders, regions of influence, historical and religious sites. Kosovo is currently some kind of illegal quasi puppet entity http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puppet_state and will never be independent, so the only way to finalise it is through negotiations.

However, it will take some time for the Albanians to realise that independence will never be acheived. Also, it's not up to the Albanians to negotiate but rather their masters.

Nemanja, Connecticut

pre 16 godina

Nice try, Ilir. . .but the mighty 'democracy' of Afghanistan was the first to recognize the theft of the province of Kosovo. . .not Italy.

Al-Qaida has to support its brethren in Eastern Europe!

Stevan

pre 16 godina

“… In an interview given to BBC today Antihsari announce that Belgrade fully know it that Kosovo would have the independency. It was made clear to them since 2006.

I wonder why the politicians of Belgrade never tell their people about the truth.”
Ilir, we, Serbs understand very well that our enemies, (who have choosen M. Anthisari to work for them), wants to snatch Kosovo, (among the other things), from us. It is obvious that they want to destroy us, no need that our politicians explain that to us, it’s clear. Truth is that we are not going to accept it. It doesn’t meter how strong they are, we are will resist as we always did.

ZK UK

pre 16 godina

Arben, If the Albanians want to believe they are independent then I am happy with that.

However, we all know that is not the case otherwise they wouldn't be here on a Serbian site attempting to convince everyone.

I mean, you don't have Montenegrans coming here proclaiming their independence now do you? You also don't hear any Serbs disputing it.

There is a big difference between true independence and one of an illegal quasi puppet nature. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puppet_state

Another Canadian Serb

pre 16 godina

Attention : Mark Green

Who says that Kosovo is an independent Nation?
You?
or
the USA
or the organization named the EU that Serbia is not even part of. So why would Serbia recognize the EU acknowledgement of Kosovo's UDI when, infact Serbia is not even a member. If Serbia was a member, then i would assume she would have to abide by the EU Rules. Therefore, i guess it is a good thing that Serbia is not a member of the EU.
Mark, you seem to forget that the WORLD has not recognized Kosovo but, only a handfull of arm wrestled EU Members.
Who runs the LAW? The remaining countries of the WORLD or a handfull of EU members.
Mark,
How do you expect 10 million Serbs to give up their territory because of a handfull of recognitions.

The Swiss

pre 16 godina

BREAKING AND BAD NEWS

The Us is entering into a recession (of course the bush admin still doesn't see it) the green is at his lowest against major currencies and being traded off by lot's of individuals all around the world..., the subprime second wave is approaching, one of the largest hedge and private (US) equity fund in the verge of insolvency, the baril at his record highest, all this only today....and there are more....

BREAKING GOOD NEWS

The K-Albanians will come and rescue the US...

When the super powers get together....

raso

pre 16 godina

no one cares if today italy feels comfortable in her thirld world axis (usa, afghanistan and other failed states) any more.

the albanian minority is nothing special, so there won´t be special treatment within serbia.

they will never be members of nato, eu, un thanks to mr. kostunica.

if anybody likes it or not is not relevant.

Rade

pre 16 godina

We need to talk how to improve trade and dislocated persons which interst both governments.

You are right on that one Pristinas, when all the dislocated persons are returned then Kosovo will not be Albanian any more.