Kouchner, Bildt "want Serbia back on Đinđić path"

To the socalled Foreign Ministers - please don't insult the Serbian populace and I am sure Đinđić himself loved ALL of Serbia to remain integral - how low are Kouchner and Bildt willing to go to add insult to injury?

There is only one word that desribes the action of Kouchner and Bildt - despicable!

Serbia should organize a referendum to se if the majority wants to join the EU, just as Norway have done twice.
I would vote no, just look at the ridicilous demands that EU are preassuring Croatia for their refusal not to let the Italian fishing fleet empty croatian waters just as they have empited their own waters on fish.

EU for Serbia = No thanks, we want to be an independent nation, not just dance to Germanys tune, let other countries do that

it is sad that in this time of the world, these big powers use it to trample on weak and poor nations. but dont you worry my dear compatriots, they will be judged for what they have done. look at what is happening in usa today. economy is down. dollar is falling further down. and this would lead to recession and depression. whether you like it or not the bad karma will get back to these foolish men in power in one way or the other!!!

Flow of history?!?! HAHAHAHAH! WW1 and WW2. Unlike the French or the Swedes Serbs stood up for themselves. No matter what ur pawns say. KOSOVO IS SERBIA and any albanians that have anything to say look at the flags flying north of Ibar. CCCC

"Europe has not given up on Serbia and wants to see Belgrade back on the path of late Prime Minister Zoran Đinđić," they wrote. Bildt and Kouchner recalled the "deeply felt convictions" of Đinđić, his love for Serbia and "his certainty that it had to speed up its path towards the European Union."

Don't lecture us on Đinđić.

Zoran Đinđić loved the whole of Serbia, including Kosovo and Metohija and just days before he was assassinated he promised the Serbian Army and Police would return to Serbia's southern province within 12 months. We haven’t forgotten his words and we won’t waver from his path.

Bildt and Kouchner, you’re embarrassingly desperate to show you can obey orders and spread propaganda. If it makes you feel good to be the lap dogs of Europe, that’s between you and your consciences. Talk away. Just be aware that we’ve heard the likes of you before.

We have plenty of experience with empires trying to convince us their invasion was for our own good.

They all failed and left. What makes you think yours is any different?

And yet in our view it is certain that Serbia will soon be a member of the EU, because there is no alternative"
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More of the same rubbish. In case it's difficult to imagine, there is an alternative and that is NOT to join the EU.

It's quite simple when you use both sides of your brain.

kouchner especially as someone peddling anti serb policy has no business soiling the memory of zoran djindjic in serbian eyes with his thoughtless utterly insensitive utterly counterproductive gibberish, which is a just like the rest of the sorry moves the eu is making. serbia will never be an eu member, because the eu doesn’t want it and because serbia doesn’t want it. enough with propaganda for the braindead. srs is your next partner in belgrade, deal with it. look to the future, as they say, forget the past :))

ZK,

Their is more hope in Bob Hope, for Serbia making that mistake again.

Bernard Kouchner and carl Bildt. Folks I'm British and alls I will say is Sweden is very Gay (happy) country, and Kouchner belongs to the shortest french government in the history of french politics. Yes, kouchner will lose his job very soon. Sarkozy will wake up to his mistake.

I would like to reply to these two clowns posing as foreign ministers:

"Serbia is going through another difficult period. We know the shock Serbia feels at Kosovo's loss," they said, adding that Sweden and France recognized the unilateral secession of the province because "there was no other solution".

First of all, we are not shocked at the loss of Kosovo, because we have not lost it! It still is, and will remain, legal sovereign Serbian land, talk to any lawyer and ask them who Kosovo belongs to and they will tell you. Just because 30 countries regognize it does not make it so. Secondly, 'no other solution' you say? Haha, surely you must be kidding. That is the most ridiculous and illogical comment I've seen. There are millions of other solutions, all better than the illegal and immoral one which you have chosen!

"We took the responsibility of recognizing Kosovo's independence, convinced that this would help Serbia move forward," they wrote.

You did it because you are inept and corrupt, you have no idea about the Balkans or the truth of what happened there, and have blindly followed the American-German anti-Serbian foreign policy where all ethnic groups except Serbs have the right to self determination. No more double standards, Serbs will accept nothing less than equality.

"It is probably hard for our Serbian friends today to imagine that they will soon be European citizens," the pair wrote.

Why would Serbs want to be part of the EU, when the EU has shown zero respect for Serbia? And also, please don't call us your 'friends', we are not your friends. We are not friends to people who try to steal from us what is sacred.

"And yet in our view it is certain that Serbia will soon be a member of the EU, because there is no alternative," they wrote.

Yes there is, to NOT become a member of this club where some members are more equal than others. Serbia is better off without the EU, where they can be free and independent.

"This is in tune with the flow of history"

Serbia has not always taken the easy way out, but they have always taken the right path, the just path, throughout history. This is no exception. Serbia is right, and America and its puppets like yourselves, are clearly wrong and immoral. History will prove this.

Cheers!

"to Sbboslv
thank you i hope that the majority of Serbian will follow you..i also think that the Croatians are right and i hope that they will stick with their fishery zone so they will never join EU ..
Things are improving !
(luigi, 12 March 2008 14:43)"

luigi,

I asked you a few days ago in another article but you declined to answer although you had multiple posts there. I hope you will decide to clarify this time.

My question was: Since according to you the Balkans will drain the EU financially, are you therefore also against Kosovo and Albania joining the EU? I am dying to know and am sure a lot of people here are too.

"Kouchner, Bildt "want Serbia back on Đinđić path"

That's incredibly easy to accomplish. All you have to do is stop pulling the rug out from under Serbia just as its ready to join the EU process.

"We took the responsibility of recognizing Kosovo's independence, convinced that this would help Serbia move forward," they wrote.

That has about the same logic as burning down someone's house as a way to solve a termite problem. If the SRS wins this May, you can take responsibility for that too.

"It is probably hard for our Serbian friends today to imagine that they will soon be European citizens," the pair wrote.

Yeah, it's pretty hard to see, considering you guys are working overtime to keep Serbia the proverbial grease rag for your dirty work.

Please, the last thing Serbia needs right now is condescending remarks from armchair EUrocrats. As soon as the EU treats Serbia like a full state, instead of the retarded kid who takes the little bus to school and has mittens sewed into his jacket, the sooner Serbia will follow the Đinđić path.

If i remember correctly, Djindic looked towards the EU, and NEVER suggested letting go of Kosovo in the process..

How does Kouchner and Bildt twist the story?
Where did Djindic imply that Kosovo and Serbia should separate? In fact, he said the opposite.

I wish these spin doctors would refrain from political grandstanding.
If these comments are pointed at the Serbian public, then we'll see what the ballots produce come election time..

"Mike the EU is not responsible for who gets elected in Serbia. It is the Serbian people that vote and make the decisions as to whom they elect."

Very true johny, and no one is holding a gun to Serbia's head and forcing them to vote one way or the other. But you have to admit that voters can, and often are, swayed by current conditions (Serbia not being the only case) facilitated by outside influences, and I can sense a large degree of EU backlash as a result of what Serbs arguably see as double-standards and strongarming from Brussels. I'd even be bold enough to claim that a large chunk of current support for the SRS rests less on a nationalistic platform as many analysts like to claim, and more on an anti-EU populist stance. People will vote that way as a protest. As I said in a post yesterday, the EU can clearly pick their preferred candidate or party, but the more the EU appears to interfere in domestic affairs, the greater the risk said EU-supported party takes in trying to balance between international obligations and immediate domestic interests and preferences.

to Sbboslv
thank you i hope that the majority of Serbian will follow you..i also think that the Croatians are right and i hope that they will stick with their fishery zone so they will never join EU ..
Things are improving !

On 12 March 2008 13:59, smile wrote:

> serbia will never be an eu member, because the eu doesn’t want it and because serbia doesn’t want it.

"Never" is a VERY, VERY long time.

"EU for Serbia = No thanks, we want to be an independent nation, not just dance to Germanys tune, let other countries do that
(Srboslav, 12 March 2008 14:08) "

Some of you guy's like Putin's tune better. It is your own choice. Do you want to sell your natural resources for half the price they're worth to Putin or to the EU. It is your choice.

Mike the EU is not responsible for who gets elected in Serbia. It is the Serbian people that vote and make the decisions as to whom they elect. If they feel the radicals are better then so be it. It is nonsensical to ask the EU to do what you want so that you could join the EU. If you want to join the EU then fine, follow the rules of the club and join. If you don't wanna join the EU then that's still fine. However you cannot ask the EU to behave as you would like because if the EU behaves as you say then you would join. That is a very naive way of thinking. This is not Jugoslavia we're talking about where everything was doe according to Serbia's wishes. This is a totally different club, where Serbia's role is minor. If you still want to make decisions for other countries then EU is not for you. You have the choice to join or stay out. That is your own choice and the EU has nothing to do with what you choose.

I thought Sanader recently agreed Croatia would give up the protected fishing zone for the EU.

Johny,

“ … follow the rules of the club and join … “

So what are the rules? Mind you, rules have to be same for everybody. One of such rules is that territorial integrity of all countries in the Europe is guarantied.

“… However you cannot ask the EU to behave as you would like because if the EU behaves as you say then you would join…”

Of course you can. As in any other deal, parties negotiate, protecting their interests. If offer isn’t benefitical there is no deal.

“… This is not Jugoslavia we're talking about where everything was doe according to Serbia's wishes…”

This is not the truth. SFR Jugoslavia was a decentralized federation. Each of six republics was equal, Serbia had in no way more influence then other republics.

Stevan,

"So what are the rules? Mind you, rules have to be same for everybody. One of such rules is that territorial integrity of all countries in the Europe is guarantied."

Of course it is. And of course those rules also abide by UN resolutions. According to UN resolution 1244, Jugoslavia's territorial integrity is guaranteed only during the transitional period before the status is settled. There is no more transitional period now that the status is settled. 1244 also states that the status will be settled in accordance with the Ramboullet accords which state that the people of Kosova/o will decide for the status. The people decide for independence.
Therefore just like anyone else Serbia is not treated differently.


"Of course you can. As in any other deal, parties negotiate, protecting their interests. If offer isn’t benefitical there is no deal."

Then what is the noise all about since you already think the offer is not beneficial. You expect to be treated according to the rules and at the same time negotiate about the rules. That is Hypocritical.


"This is not the truth. SFR Jugoslavia was a decentralized federation. Each of six republics was equal, Serbia had in no way more influence then other republics."

Of course of course. I guess Croatia, Slovenia, Bosnia decided to attack themselves because they wanted to be equal so much.
Who made Serbia the protector of Jugoslavia. Why there were Serbian troops in other republics. If I remember correctly none of the other republics voted so that Serbian troops could attack their republic.

In the case of Jugoslavia George Orwell's line applies: "Some are more equal than the others"
Serbia was more equal than the others.

On 12 March 2008 13:59, smile wrote:

> serbia will never be an eu member, because the eu doesn’t want it and because serbia doesn’t want it.

"Never" is a VERY, VERY long time.

"EU for Serbia = No thanks, we want to be an independent nation, not just dance to Germanys tune, let other countries do that
(Srboslav, 12 March 2008 14:08) "

Some of you guy's like Putin's tune better. It is your own choice. Do you want to sell your natural resources for half the price they're worth to Putin or to the EU. It is your choice.

Mike the EU is not responsible for who gets elected in Serbia. It is the Serbian people that vote and make the decisions as to whom they elect. If they feel the radicals are better then so be it. It is nonsensical to ask the EU to do what you want so that you could join the EU. If you want to join the EU then fine, follow the rules of the club and join. If you don't wanna join the EU then that's still fine. However you cannot ask the EU to behave as you would like because if the EU behaves as you say then you would join. That is a very naive way of thinking. This is not Jugoslavia we're talking about where everything was doe according to Serbia's wishes. This is a totally different club, where Serbia's role is minor. If you still want to make decisions for other countries then EU is not for you. You have the choice to join or stay out. That is your own choice and the EU has nothing to do with what you choose.

ZK,

Their is more hope in Bob Hope, for Serbia making that mistake again.

Bernard Kouchner and carl Bildt. Folks I'm British and alls I will say is Sweden is very Gay (happy) country, and Kouchner belongs to the shortest french government in the history of french politics. Yes, kouchner will lose his job very soon. Sarkozy will wake up to his mistake.

And yet in our view it is certain that Serbia will soon be a member of the EU, because there is no alternative"
--
More of the same rubbish. In case it's difficult to imagine, there is an alternative and that is NOT to join the EU.

It's quite simple when you use both sides of your brain.

To the socalled Foreign Ministers - please don't insult the Serbian populace and I am sure Đinđić himself loved ALL of Serbia to remain integral - how low are Kouchner and Bildt willing to go to add insult to injury?

There is only one word that desribes the action of Kouchner and Bildt - despicable!

kouchner especially as someone peddling anti serb policy has no business soiling the memory of zoran djindjic in serbian eyes with his thoughtless utterly insensitive utterly counterproductive gibberish, which is a just like the rest of the sorry moves the eu is making. serbia will never be an eu member, because the eu doesn’t want it and because serbia doesn’t want it. enough with propaganda for the braindead. srs is your next partner in belgrade, deal with it. look to the future, as they say, forget the past :))

Serbia should organize a referendum to se if the majority wants to join the EU, just as Norway have done twice.
I would vote no, just look at the ridicilous demands that EU are preassuring Croatia for their refusal not to let the Italian fishing fleet empty croatian waters just as they have empited their own waters on fish.

EU for Serbia = No thanks, we want to be an independent nation, not just dance to Germanys tune, let other countries do that

"Europe has not given up on Serbia and wants to see Belgrade back on the path of late Prime Minister Zoran Đinđić," they wrote. Bildt and Kouchner recalled the "deeply felt convictions" of Đinđić, his love for Serbia and "his certainty that it had to speed up its path towards the European Union."

Don't lecture us on Đinđić.

Zoran Đinđić loved the whole of Serbia, including Kosovo and Metohija and just days before he was assassinated he promised the Serbian Army and Police would return to Serbia's southern province within 12 months. We haven’t forgotten his words and we won’t waver from his path.

Bildt and Kouchner, you’re embarrassingly desperate to show you can obey orders and spread propaganda. If it makes you feel good to be the lap dogs of Europe, that’s between you and your consciences. Talk away. Just be aware that we’ve heard the likes of you before.

We have plenty of experience with empires trying to convince us their invasion was for our own good.

They all failed and left. What makes you think yours is any different?

to Sbboslv
thank you i hope that the majority of Serbian will follow you..i also think that the Croatians are right and i hope that they will stick with their fishery zone so they will never join EU ..
Things are improving !

"to Sbboslv
thank you i hope that the majority of Serbian will follow you..i also think that the Croatians are right and i hope that they will stick with their fishery zone so they will never join EU ..
Things are improving !
(luigi, 12 March 2008 14:43)"

luigi,

I asked you a few days ago in another article but you declined to answer although you had multiple posts there. I hope you will decide to clarify this time.

My question was: Since according to you the Balkans will drain the EU financially, are you therefore also against Kosovo and Albania joining the EU? I am dying to know and am sure a lot of people here are too.

it is sad that in this time of the world, these big powers use it to trample on weak and poor nations. but dont you worry my dear compatriots, they will be judged for what they have done. look at what is happening in usa today. economy is down. dollar is falling further down. and this would lead to recession and depression. whether you like it or not the bad karma will get back to these foolish men in power in one way or the other!!!

Flow of history?!?! HAHAHAHAH! WW1 and WW2. Unlike the French or the Swedes Serbs stood up for themselves. No matter what ur pawns say. KOSOVO IS SERBIA and any albanians that have anything to say look at the flags flying north of Ibar. CCCC

I would like to reply to these two clowns posing as foreign ministers:

"Serbia is going through another difficult period. We know the shock Serbia feels at Kosovo's loss," they said, adding that Sweden and France recognized the unilateral secession of the province because "there was no other solution".

First of all, we are not shocked at the loss of Kosovo, because we have not lost it! It still is, and will remain, legal sovereign Serbian land, talk to any lawyer and ask them who Kosovo belongs to and they will tell you. Just because 30 countries regognize it does not make it so. Secondly, 'no other solution' you say? Haha, surely you must be kidding. That is the most ridiculous and illogical comment I've seen. There are millions of other solutions, all better than the illegal and immoral one which you have chosen!

"We took the responsibility of recognizing Kosovo's independence, convinced that this would help Serbia move forward," they wrote.

You did it because you are inept and corrupt, you have no idea about the Balkans or the truth of what happened there, and have blindly followed the American-German anti-Serbian foreign policy where all ethnic groups except Serbs have the right to self determination. No more double standards, Serbs will accept nothing less than equality.

"It is probably hard for our Serbian friends today to imagine that they will soon be European citizens," the pair wrote.

Why would Serbs want to be part of the EU, when the EU has shown zero respect for Serbia? And also, please don't call us your 'friends', we are not your friends. We are not friends to people who try to steal from us what is sacred.

"And yet in our view it is certain that Serbia will soon be a member of the EU, because there is no alternative," they wrote.

Yes there is, to NOT become a member of this club where some members are more equal than others. Serbia is better off without the EU, where they can be free and independent.

"This is in tune with the flow of history"

Serbia has not always taken the easy way out, but they have always taken the right path, the just path, throughout history. This is no exception. Serbia is right, and America and its puppets like yourselves, are clearly wrong and immoral. History will prove this.

Cheers!

I thought Sanader recently agreed Croatia would give up the protected fishing zone for the EU.

"Kouchner, Bildt "want Serbia back on Đinđić path"

That's incredibly easy to accomplish. All you have to do is stop pulling the rug out from under Serbia just as its ready to join the EU process.

"We took the responsibility of recognizing Kosovo's independence, convinced that this would help Serbia move forward," they wrote.

That has about the same logic as burning down someone's house as a way to solve a termite problem. If the SRS wins this May, you can take responsibility for that too.

"It is probably hard for our Serbian friends today to imagine that they will soon be European citizens," the pair wrote.

Yeah, it's pretty hard to see, considering you guys are working overtime to keep Serbia the proverbial grease rag for your dirty work.

Please, the last thing Serbia needs right now is condescending remarks from armchair EUrocrats. As soon as the EU treats Serbia like a full state, instead of the retarded kid who takes the little bus to school and has mittens sewed into his jacket, the sooner Serbia will follow the Đinđić path.

If i remember correctly, Djindic looked towards the EU, and NEVER suggested letting go of Kosovo in the process..

How does Kouchner and Bildt twist the story?
Where did Djindic imply that Kosovo and Serbia should separate? In fact, he said the opposite.

I wish these spin doctors would refrain from political grandstanding.
If these comments are pointed at the Serbian public, then we'll see what the ballots produce come election time..

Johny,

“ … follow the rules of the club and join … “

So what are the rules? Mind you, rules have to be same for everybody. One of such rules is that territorial integrity of all countries in the Europe is guarantied.

“… However you cannot ask the EU to behave as you would like because if the EU behaves as you say then you would join…”

Of course you can. As in any other deal, parties negotiate, protecting their interests. If offer isn’t benefitical there is no deal.

“… This is not Jugoslavia we're talking about where everything was doe according to Serbia's wishes…”

This is not the truth. SFR Jugoslavia was a decentralized federation. Each of six republics was equal, Serbia had in no way more influence then other republics.

"Mike the EU is not responsible for who gets elected in Serbia. It is the Serbian people that vote and make the decisions as to whom they elect."

Very true johny, and no one is holding a gun to Serbia's head and forcing them to vote one way or the other. But you have to admit that voters can, and often are, swayed by current conditions (Serbia not being the only case) facilitated by outside influences, and I can sense a large degree of EU backlash as a result of what Serbs arguably see as double-standards and strongarming from Brussels. I'd even be bold enough to claim that a large chunk of current support for the SRS rests less on a nationalistic platform as many analysts like to claim, and more on an anti-EU populist stance. People will vote that way as a protest. As I said in a post yesterday, the EU can clearly pick their preferred candidate or party, but the more the EU appears to interfere in domestic affairs, the greater the risk said EU-supported party takes in trying to balance between international obligations and immediate domestic interests and preferences.

Stevan,

"So what are the rules? Mind you, rules have to be same for everybody. One of such rules is that territorial integrity of all countries in the Europe is guarantied."

Of course it is. And of course those rules also abide by UN resolutions. According to UN resolution 1244, Jugoslavia's territorial integrity is guaranteed only during the transitional period before the status is settled. There is no more transitional period now that the status is settled. 1244 also states that the status will be settled in accordance with the Ramboullet accords which state that the people of Kosova/o will decide for the status. The people decide for independence.
Therefore just like anyone else Serbia is not treated differently.


"Of course you can. As in any other deal, parties negotiate, protecting their interests. If offer isn’t benefitical there is no deal."

Then what is the noise all about since you already think the offer is not beneficial. You expect to be treated according to the rules and at the same time negotiate about the rules. That is Hypocritical.


"This is not the truth. SFR Jugoslavia was a decentralized federation. Each of six republics was equal, Serbia had in no way more influence then other republics."

Of course of course. I guess Croatia, Slovenia, Bosnia decided to attack themselves because they wanted to be equal so much.
Who made Serbia the protector of Jugoslavia. Why there were Serbian troops in other republics. If I remember correctly none of the other republics voted so that Serbian troops could attack their republic.

In the case of Jugoslavia George Orwell's line applies: "Some are more equal than the others"
Serbia was more equal than the others.