KFOR to stage war game in north

It's probably meant to protect that "Welcome to Kosovo" sign.

"The statement also says that the exercise would help KFOR "continue ensuring a safe and secure environment on the whole territory of Kosovo"

First that ridiculous little sign & now this. If I was a cynic, I would say that certain elements were really doing their best to provoke the serbs &/or de-stabilise the north of Kosovo.

Unfortunately guys, serbs have no intention of 'playing the game' by your rules. Squadrons of Helicopters & APC's aren't much use against unarmed civilian mass protests - makes for bad press :)


Think this would make an excellent opening point for Jeremic at the UNSC tomorrow regarding impartiality of KFOR/NATO.

In another act of extreme insensitivity KFOR are going to play cowboys and indians in Northern Kosovo. Actually this is more than insensitivity, this is intimidation. Why don't they go and play their games with their friends in the South?

To repeat what I've said before: if KFOR is not careful it will come to be seen as part of the problem by the people in the North. It is a short step from being perceived as neutral to being identified as an enemy. We have seen this happen on the island of Ireland and the results are not nice.

Nehat Krasniqi

"The next time you see a boarder devide in Kosova there will be a european flag as well as a Kosovan flag, this will mark our full intigration. "

Not until Romania, Slovakia, Greece, Cyprus and Spain recognize your country's sovereignty. Unfortunately for Kosovo, the EU does not have a unified stand on its independence, hence it cannot possibly have a unified stance on its membership.

How can a recognized EU country acknowledge the EU membership of a country it does not even recognize? Do you understand the logic?

Things are more than clear.
Nato doesn't stop here.
Only conflicts reassure the very existence and always needed expansion of this shameful institution.
This is all what Nato was aiming and provoking in Kosovo from nineties until now.
And they don't sleep, every day a new more aggressive step.
Stories of integration, humanitarian interventions, friendship, peace... are just a screen of indoctrination.
Nato is preparing a mini war with Serbia to chop off more territories, to demonstrate that precedents and international law are only privilege of Nato club, and of course to show off it's muscles to the rest of the World.
Danger, danger...
Despite lets make conclusion:
Kosovo is Serbia!

Maybe america could send a few "invisible f117" planes to join in on the action.

to adriano:

Mr. Wolf will tell america they have broken international law (maybe the millionth time) and tell them that Kosovo IS Srbija! america's new world order of combining everyone into their control won't be that easy.

I am happy that the West, by exrcising in the North, means business. It is good that the West keep the promise for Kosovo sovereignty and territorial integrity. Kosovo cannot be partitioned because it will set a danger precedent in the entire globe.

Grow up NATO generals! Wargames are for little boys, like my 12 year old nephew who plays these games on his Playstation.

"KFOR to stage war game in north"

Since Kosovo is Serbia and KFOR can stage war games. Serbia can stage war games too. Games are fun.

An obviously provocative and rather dumb move.

Like phallic symbols, NATO will stir their testosterone, display their weaponry and flex their muscle in an attempt to intimidate.

The locals should bring their lunches, sit near the lake and have a picnic while watching the entertainment.

since i have the privilege to know how a serb mind tends to work :) being in possession of one :), i would tell our nato friends that their vehicles and helicopters 'in large numbers' will not scare local serbs, but make them angry and more determined. on the other hand if nato wants to make our people more determined, then, thanks, a friendly gesture is a friendly gesture and it is appreciated.

"I am happy that the West, by exrcising in the North, means business. ... Kosovo cannot be partitioned because it will set a danger precedent in the entire globe."

Very funny! And Kosovo can be partitioned from Serbia without leaving a dangerous precedent?

Prishtinas:
"Kosovo cannot be partitioned because it will set a danger precedent in the entire globe. "

Lol.. as hypocritical & two-faced a statement as I have ever read.

Too late mate.. precedent has already been set when US, Uk et al recognised K-albanian Unilateral Declaration of Independence.


massimo:

"But they should be used, even though without firing too much, against protesters trying to burn down civilian infrastructures. "

Strange how you lot didn't advocate this when K-albanian's were killing serbs, & burning 'infrastructure' in riots of 2004. Also strange that KFOR/NATO stood buy & did nothing while widespread rioting was going on.

More hypocrisy.

And as I recall, serbs injured no-one when border-posts were demolished. But doesn't surprise me that you & yours would reason that it was 'OK' to shoot some-one merely to protect 'infra-structure'.

A little lesson for you.. buildings can be replaced. People can't.


Nehat Krasniqi:

This is a deliberate & ill-conceived act of provocation by NATO, pure and simple. And no amount of 'marketing' on your part will alter the fact. Rather than stabilising the situation, by going through 'maneuvers' in a politically sensitive area, those NATO clowns are de-stabilising it.

And yes, the times when Serbia dominated by force are indeed over - it is now a democracy.

As for membership in the EU, now it is you who are joking - lol.





Adriano:
"What can mister Wolf (Vuk) say at the UNSC that he has not said before? "

Would've thought it was obvious, but seems will have to spell it out for you. His goal is to argue against diplomatic recognition of K-albanian UDI - both to those nations who have recognised, & more importantly, to those who haven't recognised. NATO/KFOR's actions are clearly provocative. And this helps his argument.

Incidentally, would be an idea to get your facts right before posting.

You stated Ahtisaari plan was adopted by UN. Incorrect - never happened.
You stated Yugoslavia lost all wars it ever fought in - seem to have forgotten about WWI & II.
You stated Yugoslavia was created by EU - was in fact allies after WWI, of which Russia was one.

This is saber rattling plain and simple.I still do not understand how some Serbs here think after all that has happened to us NATO is some kind of sratabilizing and protecting force.They are NOT they are the enemy they fought for the terrorists they were anti-Serb in the 90s and they are anti-Serb today.This is punishment for Srbija saying NO to the US/GERMAN/NATO/EU war machine.

Maybe america could send a few "invisible f117" planes to join in on the action.
(Ratko, 10 March 2008 16:08)

Hi Ratko
Did you forget that it is only us serbs can see these.
I would like to give some more pieces to our friends the Russians though :)

Dear Peter, it is true that squadrons of helicopters & APC's should not be used against unarmed civilian mass protests, at least by western armed forces. But they should be used, even though without firing too much, against protesters trying to burn down civilian infrastructures.
After all, just in case some thousands of Serbian volunteers/reservists should appear, APC and helicopters could be quite useful.

This is clearley a marketing campaign to show the serbs what could happen if they tried anything dogy. The times when serbia dominated by force are over.

The next time you see a boarder devide in Kosova there will be a european flag as well as a Kosovan flag, this will mark our full intigration.

I wonder what the serbs will do then. Maybe JOIN THE USSR.

Seems to me (and many others) that certain Western countries and their military organization has become the new USSR!

If only the NEW FREE WORLD would step up and balance this out!

Hey, is that sign still standing?
If assistance is needed, we have some lads over here with some experience in such matters.

High time for couple of Russian military bases in Serbia.

The purpose of this excercise is for UNMIK to flex their muscles and attempt to intimidate the Serbians and Russians. Has UNMIK forgotten that the Serbians have never stepped down to a challenge?
Maybe the Serbs won't even see UNMIK because they will probably complete their excercise from 30000 feet above ground, just like NATO. I can't wait to see those invisible planes on national media.

"Seems to me (and many others) that certain Western countries and their military organization has become the new USSR!"

They are worse than the USSR - definitely their lies are, believe me!
From the one who knows, having experience from 'both sides'. :-)

They should have waited until 28th of June. Someone famous ordered the same "maneuver" thing on that date almost 100 years ago. The results of that last "maneuver" can still be felt today.

peter,
What can mister Wolf (Vuk) say at the UNSC that he has not said before? Maybe all the UN will start crying in tears of the mistake they have made adopting a resolutin (ahtisaari), sending UN envoys, having countless negotiations with already predetermined outcomes(less than independence, more than autonomy, even though they lost the 99 war just like all the wars before it.
The serb politicians are the blame for serbian interests, as the EU has offered so much to serbia, unconditional aid, speed into integration and so much more. Bitting the hand that fed you and gave you Yugoslavia to call it yours its not fair.

These practice war games are dangerous.

KFOR can conduct as many games as they like in Kosovo. But no matter what they will not be able to escape the fact that they are there under UN auspices ie. 1244 and its provisions.

Why in the world would you think Kfor would do such things for 100.000 Serbs and Gypsies? The point of it is to show Belgrade and Moscow that Kosova is not in their Jurisdiction, despite strong reactions from Russia and Romania,......... and lets not forget about Cyprus!
(odi, 10 March 2008 19:18)

KFOR would do such things to show everybody that THEY are in control.
There is no oposition from Romania on the KFOR plans, Romania is strongly contributing to KFOR, actually last week some extra marines have been sent there.

No need to edit my post, B92. I would presume your editors have heard of the numerous 'friendly fire' British soldiers suffered on the hands of Americans in such 'games'.
More British soldiers were killed by American ''friendly fire'' than by Iraqis.

Is that too insensitive to Americans who finance you? No, its just the truth.
Do you even know what it is?

Why in the world would you think Kfor would do such things for 100.000 Serbs and Gypsies? The point of it is to show Belgrade and Moscow that Kosova is not in their Jurisdiction, despite strong reactions from Russia and Romania,......... and lets not forget about Cyprus!

"I am happy that the West, by exrcising in the North, means business. It is good that the West keep the promise for Kosovo sovereignty and territorial integrity. Kosovo cannot be partitioned because it will set a danger precedent in the entire globe."
(Prishtinas, The Republic of Kosova)

i am not a militarist, but we do have to show that we mean business. of course such force should never be used against civilians. but all forms of violence must be dealt with in a strong and secure way. no more ambiguous signals -- in some situations only absolute clarity is taken seriously.

I see some people writing "Kosovo is Serbia", I wonder where is this place in Serbia's territory called Kosovo. The only Kosovo I know is called REPUBLIC of KOSOVO. Maybe some people in here developed a new Kosovo in Serbia's territory.
And by the way KFOR is doing what it was supposed to do (let everyone know that they are there to protect people of Kosovo)

EU as the new CCCP? Some friends here have some active imaginations.

This is clearley a marketing campaign to show the serbs what could happen if they tried anything dogy. The times when serbia dominated by force are over.

The next time you see a boarder devide in Kosova there will be a european flag as well as a Kosovan flag, this will mark our full intigration.

I wonder what the serbs will do then. Maybe JOIN THE USSR.

I am happy that the West, by exrcising in the North, means business. It is good that the West keep the promise for Kosovo sovereignty and territorial integrity. Kosovo cannot be partitioned because it will set a danger precedent in the entire globe.

peter,
What can mister Wolf (Vuk) say at the UNSC that he has not said before? Maybe all the UN will start crying in tears of the mistake they have made adopting a resolutin (ahtisaari), sending UN envoys, having countless negotiations with already predetermined outcomes(less than independence, more than autonomy, even though they lost the 99 war just like all the wars before it.
The serb politicians are the blame for serbian interests, as the EU has offered so much to serbia, unconditional aid, speed into integration and so much more. Bitting the hand that fed you and gave you Yugoslavia to call it yours its not fair.

Dear Peter, it is true that squadrons of helicopters & APC's should not be used against unarmed civilian mass protests, at least by western armed forces. But they should be used, even though without firing too much, against protesters trying to burn down civilian infrastructures.
After all, just in case some thousands of Serbian volunteers/reservists should appear, APC and helicopters could be quite useful.

I see some people writing "Kosovo is Serbia", I wonder where is this place in Serbia's territory called Kosovo. The only Kosovo I know is called REPUBLIC of KOSOVO. Maybe some people in here developed a new Kosovo in Serbia's territory.
And by the way KFOR is doing what it was supposed to do (let everyone know that they are there to protect people of Kosovo)

Why in the world would you think Kfor would do such things for 100.000 Serbs and Gypsies? The point of it is to show Belgrade and Moscow that Kosova is not in their Jurisdiction, despite strong reactions from Russia and Romania,......... and lets not forget about Cyprus!

EU as the new CCCP? Some friends here have some active imaginations.

Why in the world would you think Kfor would do such things for 100.000 Serbs and Gypsies? The point of it is to show Belgrade and Moscow that Kosova is not in their Jurisdiction, despite strong reactions from Russia and Romania,......... and lets not forget about Cyprus!
(odi, 10 March 2008 19:18)

KFOR would do such things to show everybody that THEY are in control.
There is no oposition from Romania on the KFOR plans, Romania is strongly contributing to KFOR, actually last week some extra marines have been sent there.

to adriano:

Mr. Wolf will tell america they have broken international law (maybe the millionth time) and tell them that Kosovo IS Srbija! america's new world order of combining everyone into their control won't be that easy.

Prishtinas:
"Kosovo cannot be partitioned because it will set a danger precedent in the entire globe. "

Lol.. as hypocritical & two-faced a statement as I have ever read.

Too late mate.. precedent has already been set when US, Uk et al recognised K-albanian Unilateral Declaration of Independence.


massimo:

"But they should be used, even though without firing too much, against protesters trying to burn down civilian infrastructures. "

Strange how you lot didn't advocate this when K-albanian's were killing serbs, & burning 'infrastructure' in riots of 2004. Also strange that KFOR/NATO stood buy & did nothing while widespread rioting was going on.

More hypocrisy.

And as I recall, serbs injured no-one when border-posts were demolished. But doesn't surprise me that you & yours would reason that it was 'OK' to shoot some-one merely to protect 'infra-structure'.

A little lesson for you.. buildings can be replaced. People can't.


Nehat Krasniqi:

This is a deliberate & ill-conceived act of provocation by NATO, pure and simple. And no amount of 'marketing' on your part will alter the fact. Rather than stabilising the situation, by going through 'maneuvers' in a politically sensitive area, those NATO clowns are de-stabilising it.

And yes, the times when Serbia dominated by force are indeed over - it is now a democracy.

As for membership in the EU, now it is you who are joking - lol.





Adriano:
"What can mister Wolf (Vuk) say at the UNSC that he has not said before? "

Would've thought it was obvious, but seems will have to spell it out for you. His goal is to argue against diplomatic recognition of K-albanian UDI - both to those nations who have recognised, & more importantly, to those who haven't recognised. NATO/KFOR's actions are clearly provocative. And this helps his argument.

Incidentally, would be an idea to get your facts right before posting.

You stated Ahtisaari plan was adopted by UN. Incorrect - never happened.
You stated Yugoslavia lost all wars it ever fought in - seem to have forgotten about WWI & II.
You stated Yugoslavia was created by EU - was in fact allies after WWI, of which Russia was one.

"The statement also says that the exercise would help KFOR "continue ensuring a safe and secure environment on the whole territory of Kosovo"

First that ridiculous little sign & now this. If I was a cynic, I would say that certain elements were really doing their best to provoke the serbs &/or de-stabilise the north of Kosovo.

Unfortunately guys, serbs have no intention of 'playing the game' by your rules. Squadrons of Helicopters & APC's aren't much use against unarmed civilian mass protests - makes for bad press :)


Think this would make an excellent opening point for Jeremic at the UNSC tomorrow regarding impartiality of KFOR/NATO.

since i have the privilege to know how a serb mind tends to work :) being in possession of one :), i would tell our nato friends that their vehicles and helicopters 'in large numbers' will not scare local serbs, but make them angry and more determined. on the other hand if nato wants to make our people more determined, then, thanks, a friendly gesture is a friendly gesture and it is appreciated.

Grow up NATO generals! Wargames are for little boys, like my 12 year old nephew who plays these games on his Playstation.

In another act of extreme insensitivity KFOR are going to play cowboys and indians in Northern Kosovo. Actually this is more than insensitivity, this is intimidation. Why don't they go and play their games with their friends in the South?

To repeat what I've said before: if KFOR is not careful it will come to be seen as part of the problem by the people in the North. It is a short step from being perceived as neutral to being identified as an enemy. We have seen this happen on the island of Ireland and the results are not nice.

Maybe america could send a few "invisible f117" planes to join in on the action.

Things are more than clear.
Nato doesn't stop here.
Only conflicts reassure the very existence and always needed expansion of this shameful institution.
This is all what Nato was aiming and provoking in Kosovo from nineties until now.
And they don't sleep, every day a new more aggressive step.
Stories of integration, humanitarian interventions, friendship, peace... are just a screen of indoctrination.
Nato is preparing a mini war with Serbia to chop off more territories, to demonstrate that precedents and international law are only privilege of Nato club, and of course to show off it's muscles to the rest of the World.
Danger, danger...
Despite lets make conclusion:
Kosovo is Serbia!

Nehat Krasniqi

"The next time you see a boarder devide in Kosova there will be a european flag as well as a Kosovan flag, this will mark our full intigration. "

Not until Romania, Slovakia, Greece, Cyprus and Spain recognize your country's sovereignty. Unfortunately for Kosovo, the EU does not have a unified stand on its independence, hence it cannot possibly have a unified stance on its membership.

How can a recognized EU country acknowledge the EU membership of a country it does not even recognize? Do you understand the logic?

"KFOR to stage war game in north"

Since Kosovo is Serbia and KFOR can stage war games. Serbia can stage war games too. Games are fun.

It's probably meant to protect that "Welcome to Kosovo" sign.

"I am happy that the West, by exrcising in the North, means business. ... Kosovo cannot be partitioned because it will set a danger precedent in the entire globe."

Very funny! And Kosovo can be partitioned from Serbia without leaving a dangerous precedent?

These practice war games are dangerous.

Maybe america could send a few "invisible f117" planes to join in on the action.
(Ratko, 10 March 2008 16:08)

Hi Ratko
Did you forget that it is only us serbs can see these.
I would like to give some more pieces to our friends the Russians though :)

Seems to me (and many others) that certain Western countries and their military organization has become the new USSR!

If only the NEW FREE WORLD would step up and balance this out!

This is saber rattling plain and simple.I still do not understand how some Serbs here think after all that has happened to us NATO is some kind of sratabilizing and protecting force.They are NOT they are the enemy they fought for the terrorists they were anti-Serb in the 90s and they are anti-Serb today.This is punishment for Srbija saying NO to the US/GERMAN/NATO/EU war machine.

An obviously provocative and rather dumb move.

Like phallic symbols, NATO will stir their testosterone, display their weaponry and flex their muscle in an attempt to intimidate.

The locals should bring their lunches, sit near the lake and have a picnic while watching the entertainment.

The purpose of this excercise is for UNMIK to flex their muscles and attempt to intimidate the Serbians and Russians. Has UNMIK forgotten that the Serbians have never stepped down to a challenge?
Maybe the Serbs won't even see UNMIK because they will probably complete their excercise from 30000 feet above ground, just like NATO. I can't wait to see those invisible planes on national media.

"Seems to me (and many others) that certain Western countries and their military organization has become the new USSR!"

They are worse than the USSR - definitely their lies are, believe me!
From the one who knows, having experience from 'both sides'. :-)

Hey, is that sign still standing?
If assistance is needed, we have some lads over here with some experience in such matters.

High time for couple of Russian military bases in Serbia.

They should have waited until 28th of June. Someone famous ordered the same "maneuver" thing on that date almost 100 years ago. The results of that last "maneuver" can still be felt today.

"I am happy that the West, by exrcising in the North, means business. It is good that the West keep the promise for Kosovo sovereignty and territorial integrity. Kosovo cannot be partitioned because it will set a danger precedent in the entire globe."
(Prishtinas, The Republic of Kosova)

i am not a militarist, but we do have to show that we mean business. of course such force should never be used against civilians. but all forms of violence must be dealt with in a strong and secure way. no more ambiguous signals -- in some situations only absolute clarity is taken seriously.

KFOR can conduct as many games as they like in Kosovo. But no matter what they will not be able to escape the fact that they are there under UN auspices ie. 1244 and its provisions.

No need to edit my post, B92. I would presume your editors have heard of the numerous 'friendly fire' British soldiers suffered on the hands of Americans in such 'games'.
More British soldiers were killed by American ''friendly fire'' than by Iraqis.

Is that too insensitive to Americans who finance you? No, its just the truth.
Do you even know what it is?