Tadić: Lack of agreement on EU toppled government

He still believes that presidential elections were some kind of indicator for the future course. Of course, the scaremongering rhetoric was successful to some extend and provided Boris very narrow win. However, the conditions and circumstances in the country have changed dramatically over few weeks. Mr Tadic, your dear European friends have stabbed you in the back only one day after you gained that presidential win and revealed who you really are and what do you stand for. What did your friends do in the last 8 years to show Serbia’s citizens that they are welcomed in that Europe that you are running that much into it. They have done nothing else but imposing new conditions all over and over again.

Mr Tadic, have you asked your European friends where do they see the borders of our country and which part of our country is actually welcomed to their shining Europe. That you should ask them without any hesitation, since they are your true friends and you have direct contact with them on the daily basis receiving the instructions how to run your country... I am really afraid that they have booked some other parts of our country as well. But of course, who cares for the borders? What is the meaning of the borders in the end of the day when there are no borders in the Europe and everyone lives happily ever after? Don’t try to sell out this nonsense as some are trying to do already.

I wish you luck in the future elections because you will need it a lot. However, that is the only thing I can do for you in the name of old nice past, but my vote I cannot give you.

Perhaps coalition with LDP will suit you well because there is no much difference between DS and LDP, yet LDP is at least more honest.

Yes the politics of the DS are now very clear - they have been deceived by the EU technocrats & believe that the Serbian electorate will in time accept the dismemberment and partition of the very Republic that Tadic is Presiding - way to go President!

A vote for DS is a vote for what Carl Bildt has hinted again and again and what Jeremic called an "indecent proposal"!

Much has become very clear and it is now upto the Serbian electorate to make that choice seeing as DS have been taken in by the the EU "indecent proposal". The indecisiveness comes from the lack of conviction in the Republic that Tadic represents inclusive of its hearland Kosovo & Metohija. Thus since Tadic is not strong enough to stand up for Serbia let the electorate deceide there is nothing that Tadic can do to block the Serbian people of their real intentions and beliefs that the EU technocrats suggest are myths that should be discounted - Kosovo & Metohija is Serbia, Serbia is Kosovo & Metohija!

Oh what a tangled web we weave...

Perhaps Mr. Tadic never heard of Moslows hierarchy of needs, where we put our most basic needs as the most important and the luxuries as the least important. While this theory mainly applies to people, it also applies to nations (nations are after all just a very large group of people).

Territorial integrity is one of a nations' basic NEEDS (among others are a constitution, laws, govt. etc.).

EU on the other hand is a LUXURY. Serbia has been out of the EU since the '99 war and its recovering well for a "war-torn" country (highest growth rate in Europe). Serbia doesn't need EU to survive, although if it were a member it would make trade easier (less/reduced barriers), but this is not guaranteed. EU is the PROSPECT of opportunity, nothing is guaranteed. Serbia's territorial integrity is already threatened by a majority of EU states, so should Serbia be a member of EU, should we expect more "legalized" land-grabbing?

Mr. Tadic here mixes the positions of EU and Kosovo on Moslows hierarchy of needs. Territorial integrity is a requirement for a nations survival. This cannot be priority #2 by any means.

I guess if Mr. Tadic set out to do a marathon with an injured leg he would do it just to show face, and then find out 1/10th of the way he can't complete the marathon. Whereas a rationally minded athlete would wait until the leg is healed before running, ensuring that he will at least complete the marathon.

about tadic i have nothing left to say. one look at his face these days tells you all.
as for the radicals. i never thought this day would come. but it's here. like i said, given a choice between an imperfect country, under srs, or no country at all, under ds, i know what i choose as a patriot.
i was anti milosevic all those years precisely because i am a patriot, not like some lpd unique cases because they despise serbia and think they're too good for it but are too lazy and inept to leave. i can leave again, but i wont. my life is here, i'm here come hell or high water. i have a say, and i say, milosevic was bad for serbia. tadic is bad for serbia. brussels is bad for serbia. there's no contradiction in any of these statemets. these things happen.
lets give the radicals a chance already. they have had huge support for years. let's see what they can do. its a democracy. and we definitely need a change. any party that is legally operating is fair and normal choice. i'm tired of this living in the past mentality. it's not the 90s. it's 2008. milosevic is dead. this is a very different serbia and a very different srs. i believe it's their turn. although i would personally rather see dss.
as for those who are always packing their bags in indignation because serbia's not treating them right but never leave because they cant find their way to the airport much less afford the cab.. :) let them rant, isolation, milosevic, blabla. most of them dont even know what they're talking about. i do. and i will think about how to improve my country but only when i'm sure that my country will continue to exists and once my country has its borders and territory safe.

"Let us hope that the radicals win in Serbia so that Kosova becomes a member of the EU first"

Skender.

Well if the radicals do win Skender Serbia wont be entering the EU so how will "kosova" be first?

Serbia should negotiate to join the EU with "kosova" relatively quickly so that it may use the funds to build an economy in Kosovo and Metohija since there is none but this would require cooperation from Albanians living in Kosovo and Metohija which is unfortunatly not a reality.

Hence; Radicals must assume power with NS backing to take our country forward without the Western US controlled who wish to remove our soul Kosovo and Metohija.

One thing fairly certain is that these elections will be fairly dirty. There will be lots of scaremongering going on and the EU/US will be meddling in these elections quite extensively.

There is no chance Kosovo will ever be an EU member without or before Serbia although discussions of such a possibility is likely to emanate from the EU (to influence votes).

Isolation is neither in the interests of Serbia or the EU and I doubt the EU will push for this should the DS lose although the threat of such a scenario will also be highlighted during campaigning. More election meddling.

The simple decision here is that if the DS go through, the EU plan continues as is and there is a good chance Kosovo will be sold. This could also cause lots of instability within Serbia.

The alternative is that the EU plan stops in its tracks and further negotiations will be needed to move forward. This is the only way Serbia can strenghten its position.

Now let the dirt throwing begin and it would be nice to see B92 a little less biased during this period - though that is only wishful thinking.

I will try not to say this in such an ugly way as Luigi did, but he his right. The big players in the EU don't want Serbia (at least not an independent free Serbia). You are being led around like a hungry dog after a bone. The only way Serbia enters the EU is broken, into pieces and in spirit. You have other viable options and it may be for the best, don't spend so much energy chasing rainbows, there is no pot of gold at the end.

Some of you guys I can't believe. Do you really think a vote for the radicals will return Kosovo? To be clear this is a straightforward choice between DS and SRS, essentially voting for DSS is a wasted vote.

For me at least, Kosovo is an important issue, Europe less so, but there are many other issues when deciding who to vote for. I mean imagine the radicals in charge of the economy - if you can stop yourself from laughing at the idea. The economy isn't some abstract subject that greedy people use because they want to make money, its about jobs - the jobs of ordinary people.

I have no personal stake in seeing one political option win over the other. Either way I'm fine, but I do feel sorry for those that will suffer in the country.

Openly speaking, I should admit that if I were a Serbian voter probably I would support nationalistic stances. Honestly speaking, I think that for Serbia it could be a suicidal solution.

I agree with bganon.
Altho i am not a Serb citizen by passport (but i try to be a Serb by heart), i would say:
Lets play their game for the next 20 years, strengthen our economy, build ties with all powers (both the emerging ones - (Russia) and the dying ones (USA/UK/EU)) and i bet kosovo will come to Serbia instead of Serbia going to take Kosovo.
Not a single bullet will be shot this time.
As far the albanians are concerned, they will be cheering again and showing the leaving KFOR troops/occupiers the middle finger!!!

This is ultimately going to be en election on two major issues:

1. DS or SRS (as it usually is)
2. Referrendum on the EU

Kostunica knows his party is going to come in third, and will very likely set himself up for an SRS coalition because they both agree on an anti-EU stance.

Tadic's DS on the other hand will probably form close links with G17 and the minority parties since they backed his presidency.

So we will ultimately have two blocs:

The first bloc is the Kostunica-Nikolic CCCC bloc, and the second is the Tadic-multiethnic bloc.

What remains to be seen is whether Kosovo will be the main issue in the election, or whether more immediate matters like corruption, unemployment, standards of living, and economic growth will trump. What will also be interesting is whether the EU administrators in Kosovo Province allow the K-Serbs to vote in an election they see as theirs.

I hope that in the next elections Mr.Kostunica e Mr Nikolic vill win by a large number so all the discussion for an EU entry will finish forever.People in EU don't want you !
(Luigi, 10 March 2008 18:21)
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People in Eu don't want Serbia ! I hope in a huge result for mr.Kostunica and Nikolic our hopes !!
(Luigi, 10 March 2008 18:25)

You'd better speak for yourself! In that case the EU does not want any of the former Eastern European bloc countries either. But most of them are already members and there is very little you can do about it now. According to your logic, you must be against the membership of such countries like Croatia and Macedonia, too. Why single out the Serbs? Such racist views are just your own!
P.s. You must be only jealous that Spain does not get such huge subsidies from the EU as it used to?

A MESSAGE FOR ZK UK: Serbia should concentrate on EU integration otherwise the country will be left behind. Croatia is negotiating with the EU, Macedonia will start negotiations with the EU this year, Montenegro and Albania have signed the SAA, Bosnia will sign the SAA in april.

It is very interesting to read some of the comments in here, comments that suggest Serbia’s isolation. Guys, Serbia is in this state because some of your politicians thought that Serbia can survive and thrive alone but I guess that they were wrong. Their policies where contrary to all of the countries in region and further. Instead of integration in the big family they opted for war, for policies of Krajina is Serbia, Bosnia is Serbia and now Kosova is Serbia. Of course, we all know the end results. Look around, Bulgaria and Romania are in EU, not to mention Hungary, Slovakia … countries that once look up to Serbia for a model of economy. Now days, those countries are telling Serbia what is wrong and what is right, in fact some of them even support Serbian isolation policies. i.e. Romania and Slovakia.

Let us not talk about the, corruption, organised crime, living standard of ordinary Serb, inflation, unemployment that are high and rising.

My intentions are not to put a Serbia in a bad light, as it already is, but to have a constructive discussion.

I have not mentioned Kosova in here since Kosova is not a issue that Serbia can solve or know how to solve it.

Serbian people are lucky that this government failed so quickly.

I also hope that new Serbian government is not formed from SRS. If that happens than, god help ordinary Serbian.

What is suggested here is basically how best to present the Serb claim for Kosova. Will it be a claim that will overshadow any other need or will it be a claim that would concur in harmony with other Serb aspirations?
As long as there is no incitement to violence on the basis of this very claim, I do not think Albanian majority would have any problem with that claim per se. It will remain a claim like many thousands of claims. Dr Skelzen Maliqi very sensibly suggested a few weeks ago that even if faced a possible scenario where the internal legitimacy was not reciprocated by external recognition, would have still been virtually impossible for Serbia to restore any reminisce of sovereignty over Kosova.
It is becoming a familiar trend of our Serb friends in here to totally ignore the reality on the ground.

Let us hope that the radicals win in Serbia so that Kosova becomes a member of the EU first.

Think about what you are saying for once please.
In one moment the right (DSS) in Serbia are telling us that Europe needs Serbia, more than the other way round. That we don't need to worry about alienating them, because they have to include us in their project sooner or later.

On the other hand, now we have this 'nobody loves us' attitude. Give me a break. Europeans look upon Croats, Serbs, Bosnians as the same. They do not want Serbia in the EU any more or any less than they want Croatia.

Let's be honest about it and make this about what we want. When people say they don't want us, why don't be straight say, we don't want them.

I hope that in the next elections Mr.Kostunica e Mr Nikolic vill win by a large number so all the discussion for an EU entry will finish forever.People in EU don't want you !

People in Eu don't want Serbia ! I hope in a huge result for mr.Kostunica and Nikolic our hopes !!

“The policy of DS are very clear. We received the support of the citizens in the presidential elections and I am obligated to implement that. This policy is for Kosovo and the EU. Everyone who is ready to implement this is welcome to change,” Tadić said.

Sorry, Mr. Tadic: to be FOR Kosovo and FOR EU is not a clear policy. YOU know it CLLEARLY, but you are afraid to tell the citizens of Serbia the truth. Kosovo as an Serbian blackmail argument for to enter the EU does not exist anymore - as an result of hiding the truth by nearly all polital parties.

A MESSAGE FOR ZK UK: Serbia should concentrate on EU integration otherwise the country will be left behind. Croatia is negotiating with the EU, Macedonia will start negotiations with the EU this year, Montenegro and Albania have signed the SAA, Bosnia will sign the SAA in april.

Let us hope that the radicals win in Serbia so that Kosova becomes a member of the EU first.

Openly speaking, I should admit that if I were a Serbian voter probably I would support nationalistic stances. Honestly speaking, I think that for Serbia it could be a suicidal solution.

What is suggested here is basically how best to present the Serb claim for Kosova. Will it be a claim that will overshadow any other need or will it be a claim that would concur in harmony with other Serb aspirations?
As long as there is no incitement to violence on the basis of this very claim, I do not think Albanian majority would have any problem with that claim per se. It will remain a claim like many thousands of claims. Dr Skelzen Maliqi very sensibly suggested a few weeks ago that even if faced a possible scenario where the internal legitimacy was not reciprocated by external recognition, would have still been virtually impossible for Serbia to restore any reminisce of sovereignty over Kosova.
It is becoming a familiar trend of our Serb friends in here to totally ignore the reality on the ground.

Perhaps Mr. Tadic never heard of Moslows hierarchy of needs, where we put our most basic needs as the most important and the luxuries as the least important. While this theory mainly applies to people, it also applies to nations (nations are after all just a very large group of people).

Territorial integrity is one of a nations' basic NEEDS (among others are a constitution, laws, govt. etc.).

EU on the other hand is a LUXURY. Serbia has been out of the EU since the '99 war and its recovering well for a "war-torn" country (highest growth rate in Europe). Serbia doesn't need EU to survive, although if it were a member it would make trade easier (less/reduced barriers), but this is not guaranteed. EU is the PROSPECT of opportunity, nothing is guaranteed. Serbia's territorial integrity is already threatened by a majority of EU states, so should Serbia be a member of EU, should we expect more "legalized" land-grabbing?

Mr. Tadic here mixes the positions of EU and Kosovo on Moslows hierarchy of needs. Territorial integrity is a requirement for a nations survival. This cannot be priority #2 by any means.

I guess if Mr. Tadic set out to do a marathon with an injured leg he would do it just to show face, and then find out 1/10th of the way he can't complete the marathon. Whereas a rationally minded athlete would wait until the leg is healed before running, ensuring that he will at least complete the marathon.

It is very interesting to read some of the comments in here, comments that suggest Serbia’s isolation. Guys, Serbia is in this state because some of your politicians thought that Serbia can survive and thrive alone but I guess that they were wrong. Their policies where contrary to all of the countries in region and further. Instead of integration in the big family they opted for war, for policies of Krajina is Serbia, Bosnia is Serbia and now Kosova is Serbia. Of course, we all know the end results. Look around, Bulgaria and Romania are in EU, not to mention Hungary, Slovakia … countries that once look up to Serbia for a model of economy. Now days, those countries are telling Serbia what is wrong and what is right, in fact some of them even support Serbian isolation policies. i.e. Romania and Slovakia.

Let us not talk about the, corruption, organised crime, living standard of ordinary Serb, inflation, unemployment that are high and rising.

My intentions are not to put a Serbia in a bad light, as it already is, but to have a constructive discussion.

I have not mentioned Kosova in here since Kosova is not a issue that Serbia can solve or know how to solve it.

Serbian people are lucky that this government failed so quickly.

I also hope that new Serbian government is not formed from SRS. If that happens than, god help ordinary Serbian.

People in Eu don't want Serbia ! I hope in a huge result for mr.Kostunica and Nikolic our hopes !!

He still believes that presidential elections were some kind of indicator for the future course. Of course, the scaremongering rhetoric was successful to some extend and provided Boris very narrow win. However, the conditions and circumstances in the country have changed dramatically over few weeks. Mr Tadic, your dear European friends have stabbed you in the back only one day after you gained that presidential win and revealed who you really are and what do you stand for. What did your friends do in the last 8 years to show Serbia’s citizens that they are welcomed in that Europe that you are running that much into it. They have done nothing else but imposing new conditions all over and over again.

Mr Tadic, have you asked your European friends where do they see the borders of our country and which part of our country is actually welcomed to their shining Europe. That you should ask them without any hesitation, since they are your true friends and you have direct contact with them on the daily basis receiving the instructions how to run your country... I am really afraid that they have booked some other parts of our country as well. But of course, who cares for the borders? What is the meaning of the borders in the end of the day when there are no borders in the Europe and everyone lives happily ever after? Don’t try to sell out this nonsense as some are trying to do already.

I wish you luck in the future elections because you will need it a lot. However, that is the only thing I can do for you in the name of old nice past, but my vote I cannot give you.

Perhaps coalition with LDP will suit you well because there is no much difference between DS and LDP, yet LDP is at least more honest.

Some of you guys I can't believe. Do you really think a vote for the radicals will return Kosovo? To be clear this is a straightforward choice between DS and SRS, essentially voting for DSS is a wasted vote.

For me at least, Kosovo is an important issue, Europe less so, but there are many other issues when deciding who to vote for. I mean imagine the radicals in charge of the economy - if you can stop yourself from laughing at the idea. The economy isn't some abstract subject that greedy people use because they want to make money, its about jobs - the jobs of ordinary people.

I have no personal stake in seeing one political option win over the other. Either way I'm fine, but I do feel sorry for those that will suffer in the country.

I hope that in the next elections Mr.Kostunica e Mr Nikolic vill win by a large number so all the discussion for an EU entry will finish forever.People in EU don't want you !

I agree with bganon.
Altho i am not a Serb citizen by passport (but i try to be a Serb by heart), i would say:
Lets play their game for the next 20 years, strengthen our economy, build ties with all powers (both the emerging ones - (Russia) and the dying ones (USA/UK/EU)) and i bet kosovo will come to Serbia instead of Serbia going to take Kosovo.
Not a single bullet will be shot this time.
As far the albanians are concerned, they will be cheering again and showing the leaving KFOR troops/occupiers the middle finger!!!

Yes the politics of the DS are now very clear - they have been deceived by the EU technocrats & believe that the Serbian electorate will in time accept the dismemberment and partition of the very Republic that Tadic is Presiding - way to go President!

A vote for DS is a vote for what Carl Bildt has hinted again and again and what Jeremic called an "indecent proposal"!

Much has become very clear and it is now upto the Serbian electorate to make that choice seeing as DS have been taken in by the the EU "indecent proposal". The indecisiveness comes from the lack of conviction in the Republic that Tadic represents inclusive of its hearland Kosovo & Metohija. Thus since Tadic is not strong enough to stand up for Serbia let the electorate deceide there is nothing that Tadic can do to block the Serbian people of their real intentions and beliefs that the EU technocrats suggest are myths that should be discounted - Kosovo & Metohija is Serbia, Serbia is Kosovo & Metohija!

Oh what a tangled web we weave...

about tadic i have nothing left to say. one look at his face these days tells you all.
as for the radicals. i never thought this day would come. but it's here. like i said, given a choice between an imperfect country, under srs, or no country at all, under ds, i know what i choose as a patriot.
i was anti milosevic all those years precisely because i am a patriot, not like some lpd unique cases because they despise serbia and think they're too good for it but are too lazy and inept to leave. i can leave again, but i wont. my life is here, i'm here come hell or high water. i have a say, and i say, milosevic was bad for serbia. tadic is bad for serbia. brussels is bad for serbia. there's no contradiction in any of these statemets. these things happen.
lets give the radicals a chance already. they have had huge support for years. let's see what they can do. its a democracy. and we definitely need a change. any party that is legally operating is fair and normal choice. i'm tired of this living in the past mentality. it's not the 90s. it's 2008. milosevic is dead. this is a very different serbia and a very different srs. i believe it's their turn. although i would personally rather see dss.
as for those who are always packing their bags in indignation because serbia's not treating them right but never leave because they cant find their way to the airport much less afford the cab.. :) let them rant, isolation, milosevic, blabla. most of them dont even know what they're talking about. i do. and i will think about how to improve my country but only when i'm sure that my country will continue to exists and once my country has its borders and territory safe.

"Let us hope that the radicals win in Serbia so that Kosova becomes a member of the EU first"

Skender.

Well if the radicals do win Skender Serbia wont be entering the EU so how will "kosova" be first?

Serbia should negotiate to join the EU with "kosova" relatively quickly so that it may use the funds to build an economy in Kosovo and Metohija since there is none but this would require cooperation from Albanians living in Kosovo and Metohija which is unfortunatly not a reality.

Hence; Radicals must assume power with NS backing to take our country forward without the Western US controlled who wish to remove our soul Kosovo and Metohija.

This is ultimately going to be en election on two major issues:

1. DS or SRS (as it usually is)
2. Referrendum on the EU

Kostunica knows his party is going to come in third, and will very likely set himself up for an SRS coalition because they both agree on an anti-EU stance.

Tadic's DS on the other hand will probably form close links with G17 and the minority parties since they backed his presidency.

So we will ultimately have two blocs:

The first bloc is the Kostunica-Nikolic CCCC bloc, and the second is the Tadic-multiethnic bloc.

What remains to be seen is whether Kosovo will be the main issue in the election, or whether more immediate matters like corruption, unemployment, standards of living, and economic growth will trump. What will also be interesting is whether the EU administrators in Kosovo Province allow the K-Serbs to vote in an election they see as theirs.

One thing fairly certain is that these elections will be fairly dirty. There will be lots of scaremongering going on and the EU/US will be meddling in these elections quite extensively.

There is no chance Kosovo will ever be an EU member without or before Serbia although discussions of such a possibility is likely to emanate from the EU (to influence votes).

Isolation is neither in the interests of Serbia or the EU and I doubt the EU will push for this should the DS lose although the threat of such a scenario will also be highlighted during campaigning. More election meddling.

The simple decision here is that if the DS go through, the EU plan continues as is and there is a good chance Kosovo will be sold. This could also cause lots of instability within Serbia.

The alternative is that the EU plan stops in its tracks and further negotiations will be needed to move forward. This is the only way Serbia can strenghten its position.

Now let the dirt throwing begin and it would be nice to see B92 a little less biased during this period - though that is only wishful thinking.

I will try not to say this in such an ugly way as Luigi did, but he his right. The big players in the EU don't want Serbia (at least not an independent free Serbia). You are being led around like a hungry dog after a bone. The only way Serbia enters the EU is broken, into pieces and in spirit. You have other viable options and it may be for the best, don't spend so much energy chasing rainbows, there is no pot of gold at the end.

I hope that in the next elections Mr.Kostunica e Mr Nikolic vill win by a large number so all the discussion for an EU entry will finish forever.People in EU don't want you !
(Luigi, 10 March 2008 18:21)
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People in Eu don't want Serbia ! I hope in a huge result for mr.Kostunica and Nikolic our hopes !!
(Luigi, 10 March 2008 18:25)

You'd better speak for yourself! In that case the EU does not want any of the former Eastern European bloc countries either. But most of them are already members and there is very little you can do about it now. According to your logic, you must be against the membership of such countries like Croatia and Macedonia, too. Why single out the Serbs? Such racist views are just your own!
P.s. You must be only jealous that Spain does not get such huge subsidies from the EU as it used to?

Think about what you are saying for once please.
In one moment the right (DSS) in Serbia are telling us that Europe needs Serbia, more than the other way round. That we don't need to worry about alienating them, because they have to include us in their project sooner or later.

On the other hand, now we have this 'nobody loves us' attitude. Give me a break. Europeans look upon Croats, Serbs, Bosnians as the same. They do not want Serbia in the EU any more or any less than they want Croatia.

Let's be honest about it and make this about what we want. When people say they don't want us, why don't be straight say, we don't want them.

“The policy of DS are very clear. We received the support of the citizens in the presidential elections and I am obligated to implement that. This policy is for Kosovo and the EU. Everyone who is ready to implement this is welcome to change,” Tadić said.

Sorry, Mr. Tadic: to be FOR Kosovo and FOR EU is not a clear policy. YOU know it CLLEARLY, but you are afraid to tell the citizens of Serbia the truth. Kosovo as an Serbian blackmail argument for to enter the EU does not exist anymore - as an result of hiding the truth by nearly all polital parties.