Samardžić: No negative impact on Kosovo

EA

You need to get your facts straight.

NATO did not intervene to stop ethnic cleansing but due to Serbia not signing the Rambouillet Agreement.

All Albanians were firmly in Kosovo before the bombing started and that's when they started leaving. So how can you claim NATO intervened to stop ethnic cleansing?

Also, Serbia did not sign the Rambouillet Agreement as it would have permitted NATO unrestricted access to the whole of Yugoslavia. It was designed to fail!

Here is the extract "NATO personnel shall enjoy, together with their vehicles, vessels, aircraft, and equipment, free and unrestricted passage and unimpeded access throughout the FRY including associated airspace and territorial waters. This shall include, but not be limited to, the right of bivouac, maneuver, billet, and utilization of any areas or facilities as required for support, training, and operations."

Check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rambouillet_Agreement

Also, remember that international law has been flushed down the toilet by the US. There is no reason Republika Srpska cannot become a quasi dependent entity just like the Albanian parts of Kosovo.

I would like to ask a question to the K-Albanian posters who are forever sending comments to these forums justifying Kosovo's UDI.
The question is this:
Do you accept that Republika Srpska has the right to secede from the state of Bosnia & Herzegovina? If not, why not?

Don't be shy now, you're not normally slow to respond.

kosovo is a sui de-generis case, i'll say. it is not viable out of serbia's fold. it is an attempt at a dangerous precedent and this folly will eventually be put right. and if albanians disagree, they will be treated like the teleban by their own, and the taleban's former allies. serbia will have nothing to do with it. it is now up to u.s. and russia to sort this out. the big day is when someone tries to push unmik out. that's your real test. all this so far is just smokescreen and noise. this is just setting of the scene.
these are the words of winston churchill who described the west, and who denounced the munich agreement that robbed czechoslovakia of sudetenland, who rejected 'peace in our time', the western betrayal, 'the long-term regional stability' of its day:

'We have suffered a total and unmitigated defeat...you will find that in a period of time which may be measured by years, but may be measured by months, Czechoslovakia will be engulfed in the Nazi regime. We are in the presence of a disaster of the first magnitude...we have sustained a defeat without a war, the consequences of which will travel far with us along our road...we have passed an awful milestone in our history, when the whole equilibrium of Europe has been deranged, and that the terrible words have for the time being been pronounced against the Western democracies: "Thou art weighed in the balance and found wanting". And do not suppose that this is the end. This is only the beginning of the reckoning.'

EA,

Thank you for your considered response to my question.

Leaving aside Dayton for a moment, you maintain "the point" is that Kosovo is sui generis or unique. So it is, but so are the current legal arrangements in Bosnia. Every separatist conflict, in fact every conflict anywhere, is unique but the problem is that the big powers only choose to intervene when it suits their strategic interests. For example, whatever happened in Kosovo in the nineties was a garden party compared to the events in Rwanda in 1994. Darfur today? In all honesty, you as a K-Albanian supporter cannot claim that the level of suffering in Kosovo was unique. The circumstances were unique only in the sense that NATO chose to intervene for their own reasons. If Kosovo in 1999 was in the centre of Africa and inhabited by black-skinned people, you could rot as far as NATO was concerned.

From my reading of the history (yes, I have and continue to read plenty) it seems to me that the Western powers actively set out in the eighties to destroy Yugoslavia. The Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact imploded under their own dynamics but those damn Slavs needed a big push. Serbia, being the backbone of Yugoslavia was demonised and continues to be.

Then the "sideshow" in Kosovo created the opportunity for a permanent military presence in the region. And so it came to pass. In many ways the K-Albanians are the guinea pigs in a big US/NATO experiment to remake part of the world in a manner congenial to their strategic interests. That is why you will never get rid of them.

International law counts for nothing when the big powers are set on a certain course. But what's good for the goose is good for the gander. Therefore the Serbs in Bosnia (Srpska) have as much right to ignore Dayton as the US/NATO have to ignore Res. 1244, Helsinki Final Act etc.

If you believe that there should be "no change of borders in Europe anymore" then you are just thinking in a self-serving manner. You should have thought that a month ago, a year ago ......

Do you Serbs really care about Kosovo, if you really did you wouldn’t act as you have in the past and still do in the present times. You cannot gain the support of the world by burning flags and burning embassies.

All the media coverage about Kosovo will mention that it is the purest part of Europe. If you really cared about it you would invest in the region while you had control over it.

To keep it short you had it you lost it.

The minister would do better not to continue to manipulate the Serbian minority in Kosova.
He can rest assured that that the Serbs minority is not worried in leaving Kosova because the Kosova's government is willing to building a society where everyone can feel safe in the new country called Kosova with good prospect for their future.
Serbian government were forced to leave Kosova in 1999.....in other words abondoned the Serb minority.

Tom,

This is an extract from a Republic Srpska website

...."The result of the Ohio negotiations was the "General Framework Agreement", initialed at Dayton on 21 November 1995 and signed in Paris on 14 December. At the heart of the Dayton peace is a new map: a line dividing Republika Srpska and the Muslim-Croat "Federation", with 49% and 51% territory respectively. The two countries are called "entities" and the line separating them the "inter-entity boundary line". The Dayton constitution envisages the creation of joint bodies for the whole of Bosnia and Herzegovina (no longer the "Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina", just "Bosnia and Herzegovina"): a Parliamentary Assembly, a Presidency, and a Council of Ministers. The business of these joint bodies relates mainly to foreign affairs. In every other respect, the two entities are de facto sovereign states: each has its own constitution, assembly, government, presidency, judiciary, police, army, and so on. The question of the joint currency was fudged. Dayton thus divided Bosnia whilst, on paper, it kept open the possibility of its reintegration. It is the supreme achievement of US constitutional lawyers: you can interpret it any way you like. If Dayton is cynical, it is at the same time a fair recognition of the political realities on the ground.

You need to look in the history of both Kosova (before and after the formation of Yugoslavia, the collapse of Yugoslavia)

If Republika Srpska was allowed to succeed than we can ask the question why the Albanian in Macedonia can't succeed. The main issue is that you are missing the point. Kosova is a sui generis case and is treated as such. Kosova was the third largest compact population in former Yugoslavia. NATO had to intevene to stop te ethnic cleansing in Kosova from its "own" state of Serbia. Kosova was under UN protection. You might not agree with that. Fair enough we can agree to disagree.

There should be no change of borders in Europe anymore and I hope that the Balkan countries including Serbia join EU as soon as possible.

First time he speaks the truth. This events in Serbia has nothing to do with Kosova.

To: Tom O'Donoghue,

Tom, wherever I look into anything that has to do with Kosovo I see your comments. I saw one day that you've said that you're Irish. I wonder what an Irish has to do with so much writing about Kosovo? Why don't you accept the fact that you are a ultranacionalist Serbian?
If an Albanian says that at Noon is a day you will say without hesitation that is a night time not a day time.

The minister would do better not to continue to manipulate the Serbian minority in Kosova.
He can rest assured that that the Serbs minority is not worried in leaving Kosova because the Kosova's government is willing to building a society where everyone can feel safe in the new country called Kosova with good prospect for their future.
Serbian government were forced to leave Kosova in 1999.....in other words abondoned the Serb minority.

First time he speaks the truth. This events in Serbia has nothing to do with Kosova.

Tom,

This is an extract from a Republic Srpska website

...."The result of the Ohio negotiations was the "General Framework Agreement", initialed at Dayton on 21 November 1995 and signed in Paris on 14 December. At the heart of the Dayton peace is a new map: a line dividing Republika Srpska and the Muslim-Croat "Federation", with 49% and 51% territory respectively. The two countries are called "entities" and the line separating them the "inter-entity boundary line". The Dayton constitution envisages the creation of joint bodies for the whole of Bosnia and Herzegovina (no longer the "Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina", just "Bosnia and Herzegovina"): a Parliamentary Assembly, a Presidency, and a Council of Ministers. The business of these joint bodies relates mainly to foreign affairs. In every other respect, the two entities are de facto sovereign states: each has its own constitution, assembly, government, presidency, judiciary, police, army, and so on. The question of the joint currency was fudged. Dayton thus divided Bosnia whilst, on paper, it kept open the possibility of its reintegration. It is the supreme achievement of US constitutional lawyers: you can interpret it any way you like. If Dayton is cynical, it is at the same time a fair recognition of the political realities on the ground.

You need to look in the history of both Kosova (before and after the formation of Yugoslavia, the collapse of Yugoslavia)

If Republika Srpska was allowed to succeed than we can ask the question why the Albanian in Macedonia can't succeed. The main issue is that you are missing the point. Kosova is a sui generis case and is treated as such. Kosova was the third largest compact population in former Yugoslavia. NATO had to intevene to stop te ethnic cleansing in Kosova from its "own" state of Serbia. Kosova was under UN protection. You might not agree with that. Fair enough we can agree to disagree.

There should be no change of borders in Europe anymore and I hope that the Balkan countries including Serbia join EU as soon as possible.

I would like to ask a question to the K-Albanian posters who are forever sending comments to these forums justifying Kosovo's UDI.
The question is this:
Do you accept that Republika Srpska has the right to secede from the state of Bosnia & Herzegovina? If not, why not?

Don't be shy now, you're not normally slow to respond.

kosovo is a sui de-generis case, i'll say. it is not viable out of serbia's fold. it is an attempt at a dangerous precedent and this folly will eventually be put right. and if albanians disagree, they will be treated like the teleban by their own, and the taleban's former allies. serbia will have nothing to do with it. it is now up to u.s. and russia to sort this out. the big day is when someone tries to push unmik out. that's your real test. all this so far is just smokescreen and noise. this is just setting of the scene.
these are the words of winston churchill who described the west, and who denounced the munich agreement that robbed czechoslovakia of sudetenland, who rejected 'peace in our time', the western betrayal, 'the long-term regional stability' of its day:

'We have suffered a total and unmitigated defeat...you will find that in a period of time which may be measured by years, but may be measured by months, Czechoslovakia will be engulfed in the Nazi regime. We are in the presence of a disaster of the first magnitude...we have sustained a defeat without a war, the consequences of which will travel far with us along our road...we have passed an awful milestone in our history, when the whole equilibrium of Europe has been deranged, and that the terrible words have for the time being been pronounced against the Western democracies: "Thou art weighed in the balance and found wanting". And do not suppose that this is the end. This is only the beginning of the reckoning.'

EA

You need to get your facts straight.

NATO did not intervene to stop ethnic cleansing but due to Serbia not signing the Rambouillet Agreement.

All Albanians were firmly in Kosovo before the bombing started and that's when they started leaving. So how can you claim NATO intervened to stop ethnic cleansing?

Also, Serbia did not sign the Rambouillet Agreement as it would have permitted NATO unrestricted access to the whole of Yugoslavia. It was designed to fail!

Here is the extract "NATO personnel shall enjoy, together with their vehicles, vessels, aircraft, and equipment, free and unrestricted passage and unimpeded access throughout the FRY including associated airspace and territorial waters. This shall include, but not be limited to, the right of bivouac, maneuver, billet, and utilization of any areas or facilities as required for support, training, and operations."

Check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rambouillet_Agreement

Also, remember that international law has been flushed down the toilet by the US. There is no reason Republika Srpska cannot become a quasi dependent entity just like the Albanian parts of Kosovo.

EA,

Thank you for your considered response to my question.

Leaving aside Dayton for a moment, you maintain "the point" is that Kosovo is sui generis or unique. So it is, but so are the current legal arrangements in Bosnia. Every separatist conflict, in fact every conflict anywhere, is unique but the problem is that the big powers only choose to intervene when it suits their strategic interests. For example, whatever happened in Kosovo in the nineties was a garden party compared to the events in Rwanda in 1994. Darfur today? In all honesty, you as a K-Albanian supporter cannot claim that the level of suffering in Kosovo was unique. The circumstances were unique only in the sense that NATO chose to intervene for their own reasons. If Kosovo in 1999 was in the centre of Africa and inhabited by black-skinned people, you could rot as far as NATO was concerned.

From my reading of the history (yes, I have and continue to read plenty) it seems to me that the Western powers actively set out in the eighties to destroy Yugoslavia. The Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact imploded under their own dynamics but those damn Slavs needed a big push. Serbia, being the backbone of Yugoslavia was demonised and continues to be.

Then the "sideshow" in Kosovo created the opportunity for a permanent military presence in the region. And so it came to pass. In many ways the K-Albanians are the guinea pigs in a big US/NATO experiment to remake part of the world in a manner congenial to their strategic interests. That is why you will never get rid of them.

International law counts for nothing when the big powers are set on a certain course. But what's good for the goose is good for the gander. Therefore the Serbs in Bosnia (Srpska) have as much right to ignore Dayton as the US/NATO have to ignore Res. 1244, Helsinki Final Act etc.

If you believe that there should be "no change of borders in Europe anymore" then you are just thinking in a self-serving manner. You should have thought that a month ago, a year ago ......

Do you Serbs really care about Kosovo, if you really did you wouldn’t act as you have in the past and still do in the present times. You cannot gain the support of the world by burning flags and burning embassies.

All the media coverage about Kosovo will mention that it is the purest part of Europe. If you really cared about it you would invest in the region while you had control over it.

To keep it short you had it you lost it.

To: Tom O'Donoghue,

Tom, wherever I look into anything that has to do with Kosovo I see your comments. I saw one day that you've said that you're Irish. I wonder what an Irish has to do with so much writing about Kosovo? Why don't you accept the fact that you are a ultranacionalist Serbian?
If an Albanian says that at Noon is a day you will say without hesitation that is a night time not a day time.