“No pressure on Greece or Cyprus to recognize Kosovo”

In Serbia, there is proverb that says “If there is a smoke, there is fire”! After these rumours, I am prone to believe that the EU members that oppose Kosovo independence are really pressured to recognise this freaking creation in Serbian territory.

Where in Greece, those 3 terms of the USA that uses to blackmail Greece are on the media for more than a week:

1) Army to afganistan
2) Kosovo Recognition
3) Efforts to "calm" Serbia

Thats the price for trying to convince FYROM to accept "upper makedonia" as a name.

Thats their *democracy*!!!
And they dare to accuse Russia of anything...

Disgusting.

To answer the question of the alb friend above,
The prime minister said this for
internal consumption. The greeks dont know the details, UN 1244, EULEX, how illegal it is, while
my copatriots view anything "EU"-related as smth good.

What i keep telling them, is that the West "loves" Greece, they love us a lot, and i say to my copatriots, that i dont wish *ANY* nation to taste how it is for the west to "NOT LIKE SOMEONE*.

If we had turkey to ask for their part in Thrace, my fellow fat, pro-euro, unorganized, surprized athenians would
think differently.

“As far as Kosovo is concerned, the Greek side played a leading role in reaching an agreement at EU level for sending a European mission there. Now it is up to EU member-states to make make their own minds up about recognizing the territory’s final status,” Karamanlis explained".
Hm, Greece played a leading role. I wonder how Serbia feels about their so called stunch "supporter" .

To Pyrros
For your information,Greece participates in Afganistan not under NATO but only underUN resolution and only with medical staff and trainers.We haven't recognised kosovo and there no plans to do so.With regard to FYROM we don't have to do anything to appease them.Their passage to NATO and EU passes through Greece and we will enforce that fully.Also Serbia knows how to protect their national interest and don't need Greece's advice.

"No pressure on Greece or Cyprus to recognize Kosovo"

No need to! Greece already knows there is not other choice and sooner or later will recognize Kosova on its own free will.

Cyprus will do the same. Some will say I am over-optimistic. I am not. Northern Cyprus and Greek Cyprus have been many times close to strike a deal. Whoever knows about the Annan agreement will recognize it as a good compromise. If it wasn't for that pest Papadopulos, the entire Cyprus would have been within EU by now. Papadopulos, the man who said "NEVER" to Kosova, is gone. Once two parts of the island strike a deal Cyprus will recognize Kosova on its own free will. Pragmatism will prevail as it is the only real value in today's global societies. Nationalism, emotional cries, hate and discrimination are slowly giving way to economic and wellfare values. This is what EU is all about. Whoever refuses to accept this will suffer the consequences. I am glad that Albanians in both sides of the border are not in this last group.

Greece will recognize Kosova just because of the name dispute about macedonia. So this is where the pressure is coming from.
FYROm must win the name dispute otherwise they will be left with NO identity and no country.

For Serbia to receive Greek support it's going to take as long as those airplanes to Athens (fire).....possibly never.

It's true America or anyone hasn't been pressuring Cyprus or Greece, we all know their position, America is giving some time to cool off. We already have 15 / 27 EU countries, we have the majority.

Miri:
"Cyprus will do the same. Some will say I am over-optimistic. I am not. Northern Cyprus and Greek Cyprus have been many times close to strike a deal. Whoever knows about the Annan agreement will recognize it as a good compromise. If it wasn't for that pest Papadopulos, the entire Cyprus would have been within EU by now. Papadopulos, the man who said "NEVER" to Kosova, is gone. Once two parts of the island strike a deal Cyprus will recognize Kosova on its own free will."

I agree entirely. However, maybe Kosova should do the same as Cyprus: the provisions of the Ahtisaari Plan are extended into an Annan Plan for Kosova, ie a smaller K Serb and a larger K Albanian entity united in an independent bi-zonal, bi-communal federation of Kosova.

This would:
1. gain much more support from K Serbs, which currently is clearly not there
2. cut the ground from under the rght-wing chauvinist camp in Serbia and their allies among some K Serbs
3. have the possibility of getting you out of the current constitutional crisis with effectively two governments
4. dispense with the need for western semi-colonial "supervision", whose excuse is protectin of minorities - a valid excuse in the circumstnaces, but much less necessary of the Serbs have their own entity.

By the way, if Cyprus reunites under the Annan Plan, hopefully they can also dispense with the "supervised independence" they have had imposed on them since 1960 as well, with the UK, Greece and Turkey all "guarantor" nations with the right to intervene in Cypriot affairs and have trops and bases.

Actually, Cprus and Kosova have a lot in common.

Dim,
The Annan plan is history. Once it is rejected, it cannot be on table again. Its gone. As for the "guarantors" idea, its out of the question. Today is 2008, Cyprus is an EU member and acnt have "guarantors" over its head. Its not within EU rules, so its also out of the question.
The only solution is for Turkey to fully withdraw all army, all migrants since the invasion in '74 and let the Cypriots deal between themselves and not with Turkey. Besides, if there was any issue of a northern state, it would take them centuries to enter the EU due to their huge economical problems.

“As far as Kosovo is concerned, the Greek side played a leading role in reaching an agreement at EU level for sending a European mission there. Now it is up to EU member-states to make make their own minds up about recognizing the territory’s final status,” Karamanlis explained".
Hm, Greece played a leading role. I wonder how Serbia feels about their so called stunch "supporter" .

"No pressure on Greece or Cyprus to recognize Kosovo"

No need to! Greece already knows there is not other choice and sooner or later will recognize Kosova on its own free will.

Cyprus will do the same. Some will say I am over-optimistic. I am not. Northern Cyprus and Greek Cyprus have been many times close to strike a deal. Whoever knows about the Annan agreement will recognize it as a good compromise. If it wasn't for that pest Papadopulos, the entire Cyprus would have been within EU by now. Papadopulos, the man who said "NEVER" to Kosova, is gone. Once two parts of the island strike a deal Cyprus will recognize Kosova on its own free will. Pragmatism will prevail as it is the only real value in today's global societies. Nationalism, emotional cries, hate and discrimination are slowly giving way to economic and wellfare values. This is what EU is all about. Whoever refuses to accept this will suffer the consequences. I am glad that Albanians in both sides of the border are not in this last group.

For Serbia to receive Greek support it's going to take as long as those airplanes to Athens (fire).....possibly never.

It's true America or anyone hasn't been pressuring Cyprus or Greece, we all know their position, America is giving some time to cool off. We already have 15 / 27 EU countries, we have the majority.

Greece will recognize Kosova just because of the name dispute about macedonia. So this is where the pressure is coming from.
FYROm must win the name dispute otherwise they will be left with NO identity and no country.

To answer the question of the alb friend above,
The prime minister said this for
internal consumption. The greeks dont know the details, UN 1244, EULEX, how illegal it is, while
my copatriots view anything "EU"-related as smth good.

What i keep telling them, is that the West "loves" Greece, they love us a lot, and i say to my copatriots, that i dont wish *ANY* nation to taste how it is for the west to "NOT LIKE SOMEONE*.

If we had turkey to ask for their part in Thrace, my fellow fat, pro-euro, unorganized, surprized athenians would
think differently.

In Serbia, there is proverb that says “If there is a smoke, there is fire”! After these rumours, I am prone to believe that the EU members that oppose Kosovo independence are really pressured to recognise this freaking creation in Serbian territory.

Where in Greece, those 3 terms of the USA that uses to blackmail Greece are on the media for more than a week:

1) Army to afganistan
2) Kosovo Recognition
3) Efforts to "calm" Serbia

Thats the price for trying to convince FYROM to accept "upper makedonia" as a name.

Thats their *democracy*!!!
And they dare to accuse Russia of anything...

Disgusting.

To Pyrros
For your information,Greece participates in Afganistan not under NATO but only underUN resolution and only with medical staff and trainers.We haven't recognised kosovo and there no plans to do so.With regard to FYROM we don't have to do anything to appease them.Their passage to NATO and EU passes through Greece and we will enforce that fully.Also Serbia knows how to protect their national interest and don't need Greece's advice.

Miri:
"Cyprus will do the same. Some will say I am over-optimistic. I am not. Northern Cyprus and Greek Cyprus have been many times close to strike a deal. Whoever knows about the Annan agreement will recognize it as a good compromise. If it wasn't for that pest Papadopulos, the entire Cyprus would have been within EU by now. Papadopulos, the man who said "NEVER" to Kosova, is gone. Once two parts of the island strike a deal Cyprus will recognize Kosova on its own free will."

I agree entirely. However, maybe Kosova should do the same as Cyprus: the provisions of the Ahtisaari Plan are extended into an Annan Plan for Kosova, ie a smaller K Serb and a larger K Albanian entity united in an independent bi-zonal, bi-communal federation of Kosova.

This would:
1. gain much more support from K Serbs, which currently is clearly not there
2. cut the ground from under the rght-wing chauvinist camp in Serbia and their allies among some K Serbs
3. have the possibility of getting you out of the current constitutional crisis with effectively two governments
4. dispense with the need for western semi-colonial "supervision", whose excuse is protectin of minorities - a valid excuse in the circumstnaces, but much less necessary of the Serbs have their own entity.

By the way, if Cyprus reunites under the Annan Plan, hopefully they can also dispense with the "supervised independence" they have had imposed on them since 1960 as well, with the UK, Greece and Turkey all "guarantor" nations with the right to intervene in Cypriot affairs and have trops and bases.

Actually, Cprus and Kosova have a lot in common.

Dim,
The Annan plan is history. Once it is rejected, it cannot be on table again. Its gone. As for the "guarantors" idea, its out of the question. Today is 2008, Cyprus is an EU member and acnt have "guarantors" over its head. Its not within EU rules, so its also out of the question.
The only solution is for Turkey to fully withdraw all army, all migrants since the invasion in '74 and let the Cypriots deal between themselves and not with Turkey. Besides, if there was any issue of a northern state, it would take them centuries to enter the EU due to their huge economical problems.