“…Do you really want to discuss minority rights in Serbia?
Do you really want to open that chapter?”
Yes. I will begin by stating the fact that Serbia is most multicultural country of ex-Yugoslavia and number of minorities in Serbia didn’t change significantly before, during and after the war. Serbia is also flooded with a million of Serb refuges, victims of nationalistic extremists from Croatia, Bosnia i Herzegovina and Kosovo. Other Republics had significant minorities but they expelled them and now are almost completely mono-ethnic. I think that numbers speak for them selves.
Now your turn, present your case.
“… There is no extermination happening. If anything, the extermination happened against the Kosovar Albanians a decade ago…”
Peculiar sort of extermination happened in Kosovo i Metohija. Alleged victim of horrible mass crimes, even genocide, (Albanians), numbers keep growing, while alleged perpetrators, (Serbs), numbers keeps shrinking. How can it be if allegations are true? Facts getting in the way of a good story?
“… I have no doubt that Albanians have enpugh sophistication to treat the minorities with respect. Albanians have historically been a peaceful people… We are living in the 21-st century, and people still write like they were living in the middle ages….”
Is this a joke? Come on Mo, you can sell these ferry tales to Americans who don’t have a clue, but to tell it on the Serb forum where plenty of people now your culture very well - is really too much. I wouldn’t bring it up myself but as you began, I have to say it as it is: your culture is extremely violent, clan based society. Possession of weapons is (very) widely spread, and it is often used to settle private disputes. Blood feuds are still huge problems. Dugajin’s Kanun laws, (eye for an eye in essence), from 15th century are still practiced.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1964397.stm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTbI09qW92s&feature=related
"I just say that Serbs in this blog are not the one to claim of belonging to some extinct nation and claim the entire Balkan just for themselves. If Serbs are with their heads in middle ages, then Albanian are certainly far behind, which means that we are still much advanced. "
Really bmrusila?! Lets recap: Bosnia was serbian, Croatia serbian, Kosovo serbian, Vojvodina serbian. Tell me why it was called Yugosllavia and not GREAT SERBIA. During these past decade or so, we all know who wanted GREAT what... and we all know it wasn't albania. Should read Draskovic's statment made yesterday, that major drawing of borders happend the past decade in Ballkan's and all the times until now in favor of serbs.
Was just reading about Iceland in National Geographic today.
Not much to the place. Pop of about 300K, 1 city & a bunch of villages. Only real sources of income used to be raising sheep & fishing - but fish stocks just about played out.
Situation changed not so long ago. Icelandic govt invested about 1 billion US$ to build new hydro-electric facility to supply power to new aluminium smelting complex. Will take 40 years to pay off.
Complex is owned by US giant 'Alcoa'.
Enough said.
Mo-TownUSA:
"If anything, the extermination happened against the Kosovar Albanians a decade ago. "
Keep telling you guys to take these claims to the ICTY. Even though they gave up looking for mass graves in Kosovo after 2 years of searching, am sure they'd take a fresh look at any new 'genocide' speculation on your part.
Am equally sure that the reason that the results of their 'extensive' search weren't more widely reported at the time had nothing to do with the lack of any evidence for widespread mass killing of K-albanians. Couldn't be a media bias against the serbs, could there?
And as for the true extermination of serbs in Yugoslavia during WWII.. well that never happened, did it?
"I have no doubt that Albanians have enpugh sophistication to treat the minorities with respect. Albanians have historically been a peaceful people "
Tell me, do you really believe this stuff? What about all the discrimination, killings & desecration that's been going on in Kosovo against the serbs there for the last 8 years? What about the widespread & orchestrated riots against them in 2004?
"Serbs need to integrate themselves there, and not try to undermine them by working driectly with Serbia. "
And just why is that?
What possible justification can K-albanians have for claiming the parts of Kosovo, in which serbs are a majority, and which are adjacent to Serbia proper?
I've asked this question before & have yet to receive a good answer. Got one?
Jeff:
And does Hashim Thaci also belong on this list?
Blerim:
"This is an indicator that the long waited justice is being settled forever. "
justice? forever?
nikshala:
Seem to be trying awfully hard to justify this action.. smuggling, no paperwork, possible fake/expired medicines, 100% certainty of intent, lot's of other medicine getting thru anyway etc.
Tell me.. do you even convince yourself?.
Mo-TownUSA & nikshala:
To claim that the denial of medical supplies to the injured, sick & dying is acceptable because of the lack of paperwork, is truly sad - shame on you.
Rugova did lead a non-violent movement for the Albanians, but this was not ouright independance from the Serbian nation. Further, Slobodan Milosevic army saved his life,put him under security protection at his behest. Later, arrangement were made by the Serbian government to move him out of the country from the KLA terrorists.
The current leader of the KLA is no other than Hacim Thaci, who was the leader of the KLA henchman that wanted Rugova be killed.
(konstantin gregovic,
You are wrong 100%. Dr. Rugova confronted Milosevic and told him that he was kidnapped and he never asked for protection.
As for Mr. Thaqi he is doing just fine. While he was at the helm of the KLA he may have not had the political experience but he has been heavily involved in the politics for the past 10 years. He is a seasoned politician and he is definetely leading Kosova in the right direction. In two to three years I hope Kosova will be a changed country. We expect Thaqi to make radical changes so that the country can prosper. He is aware of that and is working toward that goal. Wish him well.
With only a handful of countries expressing intent to recognise Kosovo left, I am wondering who will be first to withdraw recognition?
Ideas any? Afghanistan? Peru?
Mate, no seriously organised country would withdraw the recognition, that would be immature. Calling for such a thing is more immature than actually recognising Independence carefully coordinated.
You see, Afghanistan and Peru proves to have more mature politicians that Serbia at the moment.
"Under normal circumstances there is no reason in the whole wide world for Iceland to even think about Kosovo---"
Dear Tom, don't you think it is perfectly normal that a country has ties and connections with other countries and international institutions? The normal situation is that Iceland is under NATO protection, and naturally that protection comes with obligations.
I hope you do not assume that the normal world is a fair place where everyone is free to act according to only what is morally right and just?
Remember what Dr Rugova told Milosevic at the Hague trial. "The sooner the Serb people comprehend that Kosova was never part of Serbia and it is now lost forever - the sooner you will join the free world." Dr. Rugova was a wise man who held no hatred on his heart and you should take his advice.
Anton Cetta another wise Albanian man may he rest in peace - in his message to Serbs in 1990 said the following: "For as long as Serbia continues to deny the Albanians the basic rights - the Serb people themselves will not be able to enjoy freedom and become part of the free world."
Thanks to these men that lead Kosovars, Kosova today is free and being recognized by the most powerful and democratic nations in the world. Never underestimate your opponent.
(Jeff, 6 March 2008, 14:19)
Spare us the poetry, here is the reality.
Rugova did lead a non-violent movement for the Albanians, but this was not ouright independance from the Serbian nation. Further, Slobodan Milosevic army saved his life,put him under security protection at his behest. Later, arrangement were made by the Serbian government to move him out of the country from the KLA terrorists.
The current leader of the KLA is no other than Hacim Thaci, who was the leader of the KLA henchman that wanted Rugova be killed.
Of course there is no doubt that KPS will turn this in inappropriate paper work, you Albanians proved this many times in the past and just continued with the old same filthy strategy.
Further more, Mo-TownUSA says this “I just cannot believe some of the stuff I read in here. We are living in the 21-st century, and people still write like they were living in the middle ages.”
-I just say that Serbs in this blog are not the one to claim of belonging to some extinct nation and claim the entire Balkan just for themselves. If Serbs are with their heads in middle ages, then Albanian are certainly far behind, which means that we are still much advanced.
Jeff,
Your wise Rugova was not that wise after all. He should explain Albanians that sooner they realise and accept the fact that they are just immigrants in Serbian soil, the sooner they will free themselves of inferiority and enjoy freedom.
Blerim,
I feel no despise for Albanians, but human stupidity and hypocrisy do inspire me, though. I do not waste my emotions on despise and hatred, even though my comments may sound like that. I used to live with Albanians door to door, thus I have no hard feelings for them. All I want is justice and first of all for my Serbian people. Nothing more, nothing less.
Nikshala,
As I said, no doubt that KPS will turn everything in inappropriate paperwork by Serbia in order to block every aid that comes from Serbia and try everything to cut the ties between K-Serbs wit the rest of Serbia.
Tom O'Donoghue,
It might be true what you say but still I expect someone to finally say NO to imperialistic Americans. In my opinion, every state that recognises independence actually do support what I have stated in my post, further extermination of the Serbs.
“We expect Kosovo to meet its obligations stemming from the independence declaration, and that human and minority rights will be fully respected,” Foreign Minister Ingibjörg Sólrún Gísladóttir said.
Expect away. America expects Ahmadinejad to halt development of nuclear weapons. It doesn't mean it'll happen.
"Yesterday’s example with withholding medical supplies to Serbian hospitals and pharmacies in Kosovo already indicates what kind of society we are talking about and what human rights mean to them. Do I have to mention that you just gave your support for extermination of the Serbs that begun decades ago in Kosovo that culminated during 1999 and 2004?
(bmrusila, 6 March 2008 13:11) "
Eveyday we hear from serbs how Kosovo if the hub of illegal trade and blah blah blah, which by the way most of the illegal stuff comes in from Serbia.
When KPS do something about it, which in this case was a truckload full of unregulated, undeclared medicines, - they are accused of trying to ethnicaly cleanse the serbs. Had they not tried to ILLEGALY smuggle in drugs and had the necessary paperwork, which could have been expired, fake, and cause more harm than good, than everything would have been fine.
I am 100% certain that this had nothing to do with ethnicity or politics, but simply KPS was just doing its jobs. There are probably dozens of other trucks of medicines or others stuff dedicated for K. Serbs which were illegaly smuggled, which have not been caught by KPS.
Had it been other way around,i.e. some albanians caught in Serbia with a truckload of drugs, they would have been immediately accused of being 'Albanian Mafia' ' Al-qaeda collaborators' ' Drug-traffickers' etc etc.
The US has an agreement with Iceland to provide its defense under the auspices of NATO if ever Iceland is threatened.
Under normal circumstances there is no reason in the whole wide world for Iceland to even think about Kosovo, let alone recognise its "independence". So once again it's just the US putting the squeeze on one of its vassal states.
bmrusila
Where do you get so much inspiration in order to despise Albanians?! As you see most of the developed countries are recognizing Kosova's independence. This is an indicator that the long waited justice is being settled forever.
Thank you, Iceland. Kosovars are greatful for your contribution.
bmrusila,
Remember what Dr Rugova told Milosevic at the Hague trial. "The sooner the Serb people comprehend that Kosova was never part of Serbia and it is now lost forever - the sooner you will join the free world." Dr. Rugova was a wise man who held no hatred on his heart and you should take his advice.
Anton Cetta another wise Albanian man may he rest in peace - in his message to Serbs in 1990 said the following: "For as long as Serbia continues to deny the Albanians the basic rights - the Serb people themselves will not be able to enjoy freedom and become part of the free world." Thanks to these men that lead Kosovars, Kosova today is free and being recognized by the most powerful and democratic nations in the world. Never underestimate your opponent.
You don't actually believe what you are saying? There is no extermination happening. If anything, the extermination happened against the Kosovar Albanians a decade ago.
I have no doubt that Albanians have enpugh sophistication to treat the minorities with respect. Albanians have historically been a peaceful people. The world is well aware of this, that's why they are being helped by them.
Kosovo has its own institutions now. Serbs need to integrate themselves there, and not try to undermine them by working driectly with Serbia. The truck full of medicine broke laws, that's why it was returned.
I just cannot believe some of the stuff I read in here. We are living in the 21-st century, and people still write like they were living in the middle ages.
“We expect Kosovo to meet its obligations stemming from the independence declaration, and that human and minority rights will be fully respected,” Foreign Minister Ingibjörg Sólrún Gísladóttir said.
-And for how long do you expect that to be fulfilled. I can assure you that something like that will never happen in Albanian society. Yesterday’s example with withholding medical supplies to Serbian hospitals and pharmacies in Kosovo already indicates what kind of society we are talking about and what human rights mean to them. Do I have to mention that you just gave your support for extermination of the Serbs that begun decades ago in Kosovo that culminated during 1999 and 2004?
The US has an agreement with Iceland to provide its defense under the auspices of NATO if ever Iceland is threatened.
Under normal circumstances there is no reason in the whole wide world for Iceland to even think about Kosovo, let alone recognise its "independence". So once again it's just the US putting the squeeze on one of its vassal states.
You don't actually believe what you are saying? There is no extermination happening. If anything, the extermination happened against the Kosovar Albanians a decade ago.
I have no doubt that Albanians have enpugh sophistication to treat the minorities with respect. Albanians have historically been a peaceful people. The world is well aware of this, that's why they are being helped by them.
Kosovo has its own institutions now. Serbs need to integrate themselves there, and not try to undermine them by working driectly with Serbia. The truck full of medicine broke laws, that's why it was returned.
I just cannot believe some of the stuff I read in here. We are living in the 21-st century, and people still write like they were living in the middle ages.
“We expect Kosovo to meet its obligations stemming from the independence declaration, and that human and minority rights will be fully respected,” Foreign Minister Ingibjörg Sólrún Gísladóttir said.
-And for how long do you expect that to be fulfilled. I can assure you that something like that will never happen in Albanian society. Yesterday’s example with withholding medical supplies to Serbian hospitals and pharmacies in Kosovo already indicates what kind of society we are talking about and what human rights mean to them. Do I have to mention that you just gave your support for extermination of the Serbs that begun decades ago in Kosovo that culminated during 1999 and 2004?
Thank you, Iceland. Kosovars are greatful for your contribution.
bmrusila,
Remember what Dr Rugova told Milosevic at the Hague trial. "The sooner the Serb people comprehend that Kosova was never part of Serbia and it is now lost forever - the sooner you will join the free world." Dr. Rugova was a wise man who held no hatred on his heart and you should take his advice.
Anton Cetta another wise Albanian man may he rest in peace - in his message to Serbs in 1990 said the following: "For as long as Serbia continues to deny the Albanians the basic rights - the Serb people themselves will not be able to enjoy freedom and become part of the free world." Thanks to these men that lead Kosovars, Kosova today is free and being recognized by the most powerful and democratic nations in the world. Never underestimate your opponent.
Of course there is no doubt that KPS will turn this in inappropriate paper work, you Albanians proved this many times in the past and just continued with the old same filthy strategy.
Further more, Mo-TownUSA says this “I just cannot believe some of the stuff I read in here. We are living in the 21-st century, and people still write like they were living in the middle ages.”
-I just say that Serbs in this blog are not the one to claim of belonging to some extinct nation and claim the entire Balkan just for themselves. If Serbs are with their heads in middle ages, then Albanian are certainly far behind, which means that we are still much advanced.
Jeff,
Your wise Rugova was not that wise after all. He should explain Albanians that sooner they realise and accept the fact that they are just immigrants in Serbian soil, the sooner they will free themselves of inferiority and enjoy freedom.
Blerim,
I feel no despise for Albanians, but human stupidity and hypocrisy do inspire me, though. I do not waste my emotions on despise and hatred, even though my comments may sound like that. I used to live with Albanians door to door, thus I have no hard feelings for them. All I want is justice and first of all for my Serbian people. Nothing more, nothing less.
Nikshala,
As I said, no doubt that KPS will turn everything in inappropriate paperwork by Serbia in order to block every aid that comes from Serbia and try everything to cut the ties between K-Serbs wit the rest of Serbia.
Tom O'Donoghue,
It might be true what you say but still I expect someone to finally say NO to imperialistic Americans. In my opinion, every state that recognises independence actually do support what I have stated in my post, further extermination of the Serbs.
Remember what Dr Rugova told Milosevic at the Hague trial. "The sooner the Serb people comprehend that Kosova was never part of Serbia and it is now lost forever - the sooner you will join the free world." Dr. Rugova was a wise man who held no hatred on his heart and you should take his advice.
Anton Cetta another wise Albanian man may he rest in peace - in his message to Serbs in 1990 said the following: "For as long as Serbia continues to deny the Albanians the basic rights - the Serb people themselves will not be able to enjoy freedom and become part of the free world."
Thanks to these men that lead Kosovars, Kosova today is free and being recognized by the most powerful and democratic nations in the world. Never underestimate your opponent.
(Jeff, 6 March 2008, 14:19)
Spare us the poetry, here is the reality.
Rugova did lead a non-violent movement for the Albanians, but this was not ouright independance from the Serbian nation. Further, Slobodan Milosevic army saved his life,put him under security protection at his behest. Later, arrangement were made by the Serbian government to move him out of the country from the KLA terrorists.
The current leader of the KLA is no other than Hacim Thaci, who was the leader of the KLA henchman that wanted Rugova be killed.
bmrusila
Where do you get so much inspiration in order to despise Albanians?! As you see most of the developed countries are recognizing Kosova's independence. This is an indicator that the long waited justice is being settled forever.
"Yesterday’s example with withholding medical supplies to Serbian hospitals and pharmacies in Kosovo already indicates what kind of society we are talking about and what human rights mean to them. Do I have to mention that you just gave your support for extermination of the Serbs that begun decades ago in Kosovo that culminated during 1999 and 2004?
(bmrusila, 6 March 2008 13:11) "
Eveyday we hear from serbs how Kosovo if the hub of illegal trade and blah blah blah, which by the way most of the illegal stuff comes in from Serbia.
When KPS do something about it, which in this case was a truckload full of unregulated, undeclared medicines, - they are accused of trying to ethnicaly cleanse the serbs. Had they not tried to ILLEGALY smuggle in drugs and had the necessary paperwork, which could have been expired, fake, and cause more harm than good, than everything would have been fine.
I am 100% certain that this had nothing to do with ethnicity or politics, but simply KPS was just doing its jobs. There are probably dozens of other trucks of medicines or others stuff dedicated for K. Serbs which were illegaly smuggled, which have not been caught by KPS.
Had it been other way around,i.e. some albanians caught in Serbia with a truckload of drugs, they would have been immediately accused of being 'Albanian Mafia' ' Al-qaeda collaborators' ' Drug-traffickers' etc etc.
“We expect Kosovo to meet its obligations stemming from the independence declaration, and that human and minority rights will be fully respected,” Foreign Minister Ingibjörg Sólrún Gísladóttir said.
Expect away. America expects Ahmadinejad to halt development of nuclear weapons. It doesn't mean it'll happen.
Was just reading about Iceland in National Geographic today.
Not much to the place. Pop of about 300K, 1 city & a bunch of villages. Only real sources of income used to be raising sheep & fishing - but fish stocks just about played out.
Situation changed not so long ago. Icelandic govt invested about 1 billion US$ to build new hydro-electric facility to supply power to new aluminium smelting complex. Will take 40 years to pay off.
Complex is owned by US giant 'Alcoa'.
Enough said.
Mo-TownUSA:
"If anything, the extermination happened against the Kosovar Albanians a decade ago. "
Keep telling you guys to take these claims to the ICTY. Even though they gave up looking for mass graves in Kosovo after 2 years of searching, am sure they'd take a fresh look at any new 'genocide' speculation on your part.
Am equally sure that the reason that the results of their 'extensive' search weren't more widely reported at the time had nothing to do with the lack of any evidence for widespread mass killing of K-albanians. Couldn't be a media bias against the serbs, could there?
And as for the true extermination of serbs in Yugoslavia during WWII.. well that never happened, did it?
"I have no doubt that Albanians have enpugh sophistication to treat the minorities with respect. Albanians have historically been a peaceful people "
Tell me, do you really believe this stuff? What about all the discrimination, killings & desecration that's been going on in Kosovo against the serbs there for the last 8 years? What about the widespread & orchestrated riots against them in 2004?
"Serbs need to integrate themselves there, and not try to undermine them by working driectly with Serbia. "
And just why is that?
What possible justification can K-albanians have for claiming the parts of Kosovo, in which serbs are a majority, and which are adjacent to Serbia proper?
I've asked this question before & have yet to receive a good answer. Got one?
Jeff:
And does Hashim Thaci also belong on this list?
Blerim:
"This is an indicator that the long waited justice is being settled forever. "
justice? forever?
nikshala:
Seem to be trying awfully hard to justify this action.. smuggling, no paperwork, possible fake/expired medicines, 100% certainty of intent, lot's of other medicine getting thru anyway etc.
Tell me.. do you even convince yourself?.
Mo-TownUSA & nikshala:
To claim that the denial of medical supplies to the injured, sick & dying is acceptable because of the lack of paperwork, is truly sad - shame on you.
With only a handful of countries expressing intent to recognise Kosovo left, I am wondering who will be first to withdraw recognition?
Ideas any? Afghanistan? Peru?
Mate, no seriously organised country would withdraw the recognition, that would be immature. Calling for such a thing is more immature than actually recognising Independence carefully coordinated.
You see, Afghanistan and Peru proves to have more mature politicians that Serbia at the moment.
"I just say that Serbs in this blog are not the one to claim of belonging to some extinct nation and claim the entire Balkan just for themselves. If Serbs are with their heads in middle ages, then Albanian are certainly far behind, which means that we are still much advanced. "
Really bmrusila?! Lets recap: Bosnia was serbian, Croatia serbian, Kosovo serbian, Vojvodina serbian. Tell me why it was called Yugosllavia and not GREAT SERBIA. During these past decade or so, we all know who wanted GREAT what... and we all know it wasn't albania. Should read Draskovic's statment made yesterday, that major drawing of borders happend the past decade in Ballkan's and all the times until now in favor of serbs.
"Under normal circumstances there is no reason in the whole wide world for Iceland to even think about Kosovo---"
Dear Tom, don't you think it is perfectly normal that a country has ties and connections with other countries and international institutions? The normal situation is that Iceland is under NATO protection, and naturally that protection comes with obligations.
I hope you do not assume that the normal world is a fair place where everyone is free to act according to only what is morally right and just?
Rugova did lead a non-violent movement for the Albanians, but this was not ouright independance from the Serbian nation. Further, Slobodan Milosevic army saved his life,put him under security protection at his behest. Later, arrangement were made by the Serbian government to move him out of the country from the KLA terrorists.
The current leader of the KLA is no other than Hacim Thaci, who was the leader of the KLA henchman that wanted Rugova be killed.
(konstantin gregovic,
You are wrong 100%. Dr. Rugova confronted Milosevic and told him that he was kidnapped and he never asked for protection.
As for Mr. Thaqi he is doing just fine. While he was at the helm of the KLA he may have not had the political experience but he has been heavily involved in the politics for the past 10 years. He is a seasoned politician and he is definetely leading Kosova in the right direction. In two to three years I hope Kosova will be a changed country. We expect Thaqi to make radical changes so that the country can prosper. He is aware of that and is working toward that goal. Wish him well.
“…Do you really want to discuss minority rights in Serbia?
Do you really want to open that chapter?”
Yes. I will begin by stating the fact that Serbia is most multicultural country of ex-Yugoslavia and number of minorities in Serbia didn’t change significantly before, during and after the war. Serbia is also flooded with a million of Serb refuges, victims of nationalistic extremists from Croatia, Bosnia i Herzegovina and Kosovo. Other Republics had significant minorities but they expelled them and now are almost completely mono-ethnic. I think that numbers speak for them selves.
Now your turn, present your case.
“… There is no extermination happening. If anything, the extermination happened against the Kosovar Albanians a decade ago…”
Peculiar sort of extermination happened in Kosovo i Metohija. Alleged victim of horrible mass crimes, even genocide, (Albanians), numbers keep growing, while alleged perpetrators, (Serbs), numbers keeps shrinking. How can it be if allegations are true? Facts getting in the way of a good story?
“… I have no doubt that Albanians have enpugh sophistication to treat the minorities with respect. Albanians have historically been a peaceful people… We are living in the 21-st century, and people still write like they were living in the middle ages….”
Is this a joke? Come on Mo, you can sell these ferry tales to Americans who don’t have a clue, but to tell it on the Serb forum where plenty of people now your culture very well - is really too much. I wouldn’t bring it up myself but as you began, I have to say it as it is: your culture is extremely violent, clan based society. Possession of weapons is (very) widely spread, and it is often used to settle private disputes. Blood feuds are still huge problems. Dugajin’s Kanun laws, (eye for an eye in essence), from 15th century are still practiced.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1964397.stm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTbI09qW92s&feature=related
“We expect Kosovo to meet its obligations stemming from the independence declaration, and that human and minority rights will be fully respected,” Foreign Minister Ingibjörg Sólrún Gísladóttir said.
-And for how long do you expect that to be fulfilled. I can assure you that something like that will never happen in Albanian society. Yesterday’s example with withholding medical supplies to Serbian hospitals and pharmacies in Kosovo already indicates what kind of society we are talking about and what human rights mean to them. Do I have to mention that you just gave your support for extermination of the Serbs that begun decades ago in Kosovo that culminated during 1999 and 2004?
With only a handful of countries expressing intent to recognise Kosovo left, I am wondering who will be first to withdraw recognition?
Ideas any? Afghanistan? Peru?
Mate, no seriously organised country would withdraw the recognition, that would be immature. Calling for such a thing is more immature than actually recognising Independence carefully coordinated.
You see, Afghanistan and Peru proves to have more mature politicians that Serbia at the moment.
You don't actually believe what you are saying? There is no extermination happening. If anything, the extermination happened against the Kosovar Albanians a decade ago.
I have no doubt that Albanians have enpugh sophistication to treat the minorities with respect. Albanians have historically been a peaceful people. The world is well aware of this, that's why they are being helped by them.
Kosovo has its own institutions now. Serbs need to integrate themselves there, and not try to undermine them by working driectly with Serbia. The truck full of medicine broke laws, that's why it was returned.
I just cannot believe some of the stuff I read in here. We are living in the 21-st century, and people still write like they were living in the middle ages.
bmrusila
Where do you get so much inspiration in order to despise Albanians?! As you see most of the developed countries are recognizing Kosova's independence. This is an indicator that the long waited justice is being settled forever.
"Yesterday’s example with withholding medical supplies to Serbian hospitals and pharmacies in Kosovo already indicates what kind of society we are talking about and what human rights mean to them. Do I have to mention that you just gave your support for extermination of the Serbs that begun decades ago in Kosovo that culminated during 1999 and 2004?
(bmrusila, 6 March 2008 13:11) "
Eveyday we hear from serbs how Kosovo if the hub of illegal trade and blah blah blah, which by the way most of the illegal stuff comes in from Serbia.
When KPS do something about it, which in this case was a truckload full of unregulated, undeclared medicines, - they are accused of trying to ethnicaly cleanse the serbs. Had they not tried to ILLEGALY smuggle in drugs and had the necessary paperwork, which could have been expired, fake, and cause more harm than good, than everything would have been fine.
I am 100% certain that this had nothing to do with ethnicity or politics, but simply KPS was just doing its jobs. There are probably dozens of other trucks of medicines or others stuff dedicated for K. Serbs which were illegaly smuggled, which have not been caught by KPS.
Had it been other way around,i.e. some albanians caught in Serbia with a truckload of drugs, they would have been immediately accused of being 'Albanian Mafia' ' Al-qaeda collaborators' ' Drug-traffickers' etc etc.
Thank you, Iceland. Kosovars are greatful for your contribution.
bmrusila,
Remember what Dr Rugova told Milosevic at the Hague trial. "The sooner the Serb people comprehend that Kosova was never part of Serbia and it is now lost forever - the sooner you will join the free world." Dr. Rugova was a wise man who held no hatred on his heart and you should take his advice.
Anton Cetta another wise Albanian man may he rest in peace - in his message to Serbs in 1990 said the following: "For as long as Serbia continues to deny the Albanians the basic rights - the Serb people themselves will not be able to enjoy freedom and become part of the free world." Thanks to these men that lead Kosovars, Kosova today is free and being recognized by the most powerful and democratic nations in the world. Never underestimate your opponent.
"I just say that Serbs in this blog are not the one to claim of belonging to some extinct nation and claim the entire Balkan just for themselves. If Serbs are with their heads in middle ages, then Albanian are certainly far behind, which means that we are still much advanced. "
Really bmrusila?! Lets recap: Bosnia was serbian, Croatia serbian, Kosovo serbian, Vojvodina serbian. Tell me why it was called Yugosllavia and not GREAT SERBIA. During these past decade or so, we all know who wanted GREAT what... and we all know it wasn't albania. Should read Draskovic's statment made yesterday, that major drawing of borders happend the past decade in Ballkan's and all the times until now in favor of serbs.
Rugova did lead a non-violent movement for the Albanians, but this was not ouright independance from the Serbian nation. Further, Slobodan Milosevic army saved his life,put him under security protection at his behest. Later, arrangement were made by the Serbian government to move him out of the country from the KLA terrorists.
The current leader of the KLA is no other than Hacim Thaci, who was the leader of the KLA henchman that wanted Rugova be killed.
(konstantin gregovic,
You are wrong 100%. Dr. Rugova confronted Milosevic and told him that he was kidnapped and he never asked for protection.
As for Mr. Thaqi he is doing just fine. While he was at the helm of the KLA he may have not had the political experience but he has been heavily involved in the politics for the past 10 years. He is a seasoned politician and he is definetely leading Kosova in the right direction. In two to three years I hope Kosova will be a changed country. We expect Thaqi to make radical changes so that the country can prosper. He is aware of that and is working toward that goal. Wish him well.
“We expect Kosovo to meet its obligations stemming from the independence declaration, and that human and minority rights will be fully respected,” Foreign Minister Ingibjörg Sólrún Gísladóttir said.
Expect away. America expects Ahmadinejad to halt development of nuclear weapons. It doesn't mean it'll happen.
The US has an agreement with Iceland to provide its defense under the auspices of NATO if ever Iceland is threatened.
Under normal circumstances there is no reason in the whole wide world for Iceland to even think about Kosovo, let alone recognise its "independence". So once again it's just the US putting the squeeze on one of its vassal states.
Remember what Dr Rugova told Milosevic at the Hague trial. "The sooner the Serb people comprehend that Kosova was never part of Serbia and it is now lost forever - the sooner you will join the free world." Dr. Rugova was a wise man who held no hatred on his heart and you should take his advice.
Anton Cetta another wise Albanian man may he rest in peace - in his message to Serbs in 1990 said the following: "For as long as Serbia continues to deny the Albanians the basic rights - the Serb people themselves will not be able to enjoy freedom and become part of the free world."
Thanks to these men that lead Kosovars, Kosova today is free and being recognized by the most powerful and democratic nations in the world. Never underestimate your opponent.
(Jeff, 6 March 2008, 14:19)
Spare us the poetry, here is the reality.
Rugova did lead a non-violent movement for the Albanians, but this was not ouright independance from the Serbian nation. Further, Slobodan Milosevic army saved his life,put him under security protection at his behest. Later, arrangement were made by the Serbian government to move him out of the country from the KLA terrorists.
The current leader of the KLA is no other than Hacim Thaci, who was the leader of the KLA henchman that wanted Rugova be killed.
Of course there is no doubt that KPS will turn this in inappropriate paper work, you Albanians proved this many times in the past and just continued with the old same filthy strategy.
Further more, Mo-TownUSA says this “I just cannot believe some of the stuff I read in here. We are living in the 21-st century, and people still write like they were living in the middle ages.”
-I just say that Serbs in this blog are not the one to claim of belonging to some extinct nation and claim the entire Balkan just for themselves. If Serbs are with their heads in middle ages, then Albanian are certainly far behind, which means that we are still much advanced.
Jeff,
Your wise Rugova was not that wise after all. He should explain Albanians that sooner they realise and accept the fact that they are just immigrants in Serbian soil, the sooner they will free themselves of inferiority and enjoy freedom.
Blerim,
I feel no despise for Albanians, but human stupidity and hypocrisy do inspire me, though. I do not waste my emotions on despise and hatred, even though my comments may sound like that. I used to live with Albanians door to door, thus I have no hard feelings for them. All I want is justice and first of all for my Serbian people. Nothing more, nothing less.
Nikshala,
As I said, no doubt that KPS will turn everything in inappropriate paperwork by Serbia in order to block every aid that comes from Serbia and try everything to cut the ties between K-Serbs wit the rest of Serbia.
Tom O'Donoghue,
It might be true what you say but still I expect someone to finally say NO to imperialistic Americans. In my opinion, every state that recognises independence actually do support what I have stated in my post, further extermination of the Serbs.
"Under normal circumstances there is no reason in the whole wide world for Iceland to even think about Kosovo---"
Dear Tom, don't you think it is perfectly normal that a country has ties and connections with other countries and international institutions? The normal situation is that Iceland is under NATO protection, and naturally that protection comes with obligations.
I hope you do not assume that the normal world is a fair place where everyone is free to act according to only what is morally right and just?
Was just reading about Iceland in National Geographic today.
Not much to the place. Pop of about 300K, 1 city & a bunch of villages. Only real sources of income used to be raising sheep & fishing - but fish stocks just about played out.
Situation changed not so long ago. Icelandic govt invested about 1 billion US$ to build new hydro-electric facility to supply power to new aluminium smelting complex. Will take 40 years to pay off.
Complex is owned by US giant 'Alcoa'.
Enough said.
Mo-TownUSA:
"If anything, the extermination happened against the Kosovar Albanians a decade ago. "
Keep telling you guys to take these claims to the ICTY. Even though they gave up looking for mass graves in Kosovo after 2 years of searching, am sure they'd take a fresh look at any new 'genocide' speculation on your part.
Am equally sure that the reason that the results of their 'extensive' search weren't more widely reported at the time had nothing to do with the lack of any evidence for widespread mass killing of K-albanians. Couldn't be a media bias against the serbs, could there?
And as for the true extermination of serbs in Yugoslavia during WWII.. well that never happened, did it?
"I have no doubt that Albanians have enpugh sophistication to treat the minorities with respect. Albanians have historically been a peaceful people "
Tell me, do you really believe this stuff? What about all the discrimination, killings & desecration that's been going on in Kosovo against the serbs there for the last 8 years? What about the widespread & orchestrated riots against them in 2004?
"Serbs need to integrate themselves there, and not try to undermine them by working driectly with Serbia. "
And just why is that?
What possible justification can K-albanians have for claiming the parts of Kosovo, in which serbs are a majority, and which are adjacent to Serbia proper?
I've asked this question before & have yet to receive a good answer. Got one?
Jeff:
And does Hashim Thaci also belong on this list?
Blerim:
"This is an indicator that the long waited justice is being settled forever. "
justice? forever?
nikshala:
Seem to be trying awfully hard to justify this action.. smuggling, no paperwork, possible fake/expired medicines, 100% certainty of intent, lot's of other medicine getting thru anyway etc.
Tell me.. do you even convince yourself?.
Mo-TownUSA & nikshala:
To claim that the denial of medical supplies to the injured, sick & dying is acceptable because of the lack of paperwork, is truly sad - shame on you.
“…Do you really want to discuss minority rights in Serbia?
Do you really want to open that chapter?”
Yes. I will begin by stating the fact that Serbia is most multicultural country of ex-Yugoslavia and number of minorities in Serbia didn’t change significantly before, during and after the war. Serbia is also flooded with a million of Serb refuges, victims of nationalistic extremists from Croatia, Bosnia i Herzegovina and Kosovo. Other Republics had significant minorities but they expelled them and now are almost completely mono-ethnic. I think that numbers speak for them selves.
Now your turn, present your case.
“… There is no extermination happening. If anything, the extermination happened against the Kosovar Albanians a decade ago…”
Peculiar sort of extermination happened in Kosovo i Metohija. Alleged victim of horrible mass crimes, even genocide, (Albanians), numbers keep growing, while alleged perpetrators, (Serbs), numbers keeps shrinking. How can it be if allegations are true? Facts getting in the way of a good story?
“… I have no doubt that Albanians have enpugh sophistication to treat the minorities with respect. Albanians have historically been a peaceful people… We are living in the 21-st century, and people still write like they were living in the middle ages….”
Is this a joke? Come on Mo, you can sell these ferry tales to Americans who don’t have a clue, but to tell it on the Serb forum where plenty of people now your culture very well - is really too much. I wouldn’t bring it up myself but as you began, I have to say it as it is: your culture is extremely violent, clan based society. Possession of weapons is (very) widely spread, and it is often used to settle private disputes. Blood feuds are still huge problems. Dugajin’s Kanun laws, (eye for an eye in essence), from 15th century are still practiced.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1964397.stm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTbI09qW92s&feature=related
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