Koštunica seeks EU confirmation of Serbia’s borders

Good move there by Koštunica. Why is he the only proactive politician? He shows true leadership qualities.

Absolutely right Mr Kostunica! Lets see how the friendly EU sees Serbia and in what boundaries. Perhaps, they have some other booked parts of Serbia waiting to be granted. I say we wait for the answer from the EU and then referendum.

Ahmet Isufi wrote:

Very dumb question, don't you know your own borders?
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Of course he knows Serbia's borders but he is not asking himself but the EU!

The EU is divided so we need some confirmation. This is an EU problem it needs to resolve and could further destabilise it.

Lets see how it tries to wiggle itself out of this one.

Very dumb question, don't you know your own borders?

Brilliant! Throw it back in their face and see what Cyprus, Spain and Romania tell them. They know our borders just like we do... and they INCLUDE KOSOVO! CCCC

“After the proclamation of the fake state on February 17, and after the EU’s decision to send its illegal EULEX mission to implement the rejected Ahtisaari plan, the question is rightfully being asked— within which borders does the EU recognize Serbia?”

Very nicely put Mr Kostunica - could've also added:

"illegal EULEX mission (whose supposed authority was rejected by the UN)" & "and after then forming an utterly partisan & unacknowledged 'International Steering Group"


Ahmet Isufi:
"Very dumb question, don't you know your own borders?
(Ahmet Isufi, 6 March 2008 13:03) "

Very dumb post. Take you a while to come up with it?


Merita:

Kosovo will only be lost when serbs give-up & if you, or K-albanians, or 'brussels', or US think serbs will do so easily, you are living 'with the fairies'. K-albanian UDI is only start of story, not end.

And arguments for retention of Kosovo within Serbia are neither weak, nor legalistic. They are based firmly on International law & the UN charter - is reason why Rehn has to keep re-inventing absurd justifications for EU's presence in Kosovo.


Mircea:

I would say situation was precisely the opposite. Looks to me like 'brussels' (not the EU - which does not recognise K-albanian UDI) is doing everything possible to try to 'get' Serbia into EU. Last thing they want is a non-aligned Serbia in the middle of balkans.

When some-one tries very hard to sell one something - is prudent to examine product VERY carefully before committing to a sale - and then only AFTER bartering.

Is plenty of time - Kosovo ain't going anywhere.



(((uh-oh... there's more of them.. will have to finish this, or it'll never get posted! :)))



Pro K-albanian posters on this thread:

Would seem to me that when so many of you are so dead against about Kostunica's intentions, then he must be doing precisely the right thing.

Go for it Mr Kostunica.

Mircea wrote:
Serbia is not in the position to put conditions to the EU. Serbia should concentrate on EU integration and forget about Kosovo.
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Hahaha, now this is the funniest thing I've heard all day. Do you work for the Albanian ministry of propaganda?

Albanians giving Serbians advice compares to letting the fox guard the henhouse!

Now seeing this obviously annoys the Albanian side, I'd say Kostunica is doing the right thing.

If the Serbs condition EU entry to include Serbia's territorial integrity, it will be a huge win for Serbia. That is obvious by the pressure being put on the government as we speak. The EU and Tadic will block it where they can but Kostunica seems to have the upper hand.

Lets see where this leads.

Mr. Kostunica! Do not put all your bets on EU lack of consensus on recognition of Kosova. You will loose big time. So will you people. You have turned the majority of Serbs against EU integration because of Kosova!!!! Milosevic have lost Kosova in 1999. Why do you want so badly to take the blame for loosing Kosova from Milosevic? By trying to re-gain Kosova with some weak legalistic arguments - don’t you see that you have turning into Milosevic yourself? Don’t you see how much you are damaging the future of your nation by aligning it with Russian thugs?

you guys dont know, or you pretend you dont :)
i have faith in you, i know it's the second :)
of course kostunica knows what eu thinks serbia's borders are, and of course we all do. this is not designed for eu's response or for kostunica's learning. this is to sink the ds and their policy, to expose it for what it is, and it will work.

He just wanted to see how many of them are OK with stealing Serbian teritory and are OK with having terrorist goverment take over Serbian land.
Nothing wrong with that,since they are so kin to have Serbia join that shamefull union.

"King of Confusion" Kralja Kostunica still does not understand the rules of the game, which he tries to win. Hey! For to shoot a goal, you should (a) be in pocession of the ball and (b) don't shoot it into your own box - and then blame the other team counting it as their favour!

Its like asking a court for the interpretation of a legal agreement. EU is not the court, and since 15 out of 27 member states have officially and independently recognized the borders of Kosovo, they have automatically recognized the "new" borders of shrunk Serbia. EU was not able to recognize in group Kosovo, so of course it cannot express itself in block for the new borders of Serbia. Your Prime Minister, who is supposed to be a lawyer should no that. That's such a pathetic diplomatic move. I am sorry to say but Serbia needs to be self clarified before asking for clarification by the International Community!

Ahmet Isufi wrote:
"Very dumb question, don't you know your own borders?"

Ahmet, how about providing the borders for your Greater Albania? I'm sure the EU would like to know this, especially EU member Greece as well as candidates Macedonia and Montenegro.

(ZK UK, 6 March 2008 14:10)

15 EU Countries have already recognised Kosovo.
2 (Finland & Lithuania) more will do that most likely in the next few days.
More EU countries will do that soon.
Now, which borders you expect these countries recognise.
Every country that has recognised Kosovo knows the borders of Serbia.
So ZK, it is a dumb question (or just a cheap political ploy).
You know Mr. Kostunica that this might backfire big time.
You might just wish you never asked the question.

OK,somebody said dum question so,will the EU give it a dumb answer....

A MESSAGE FOR ZK UK AND BMRUSILA: Serbia is not in the position to put conditions to the EU. Serbia should concentrate on EU integration and forget about Kosovo.

In the last 20-30 years Serbia and Serbs have shown to be incapable to preserve their territory. So, Kostunica and Serbia should do whatever needed to become a NATO member rather then addressing silly questions to EU. Kosovo is lost, and only NATO may save Serbia from loosing even more territory.

Cheers!

I always thought that the among the first Prime Ministers duties is to know its county's borders. I think in order not to look so amatour in geography he should ask his advisors who by know I hope they can help their Boss. By the way Mr.Thaci does not have to ask the EU which are his country's border. Probably Thaci is far better in geography apart from his diplomatic skills that he posses.

Europe has shown complete disrespect for Serbia, Its commission is unelected, its parliament is weak and corrupt, it cannot effect foreign policy without America and its nations are almost completely dependent on Russia for Oil and Gas...Why is Mr Kostunica even bothering to ask it a question?

Every body in europe knows where serbia lies. Serbia without vojvodina of course. Europe will recognise serbia in its border these mean serbia woithout Vojvodina and of course wothout Kosova. You should know this because europe knows it.

The jokes coming out of Kostunica's mouth have no end. I think he should become a comic instead of being a politician.

It was Milosevic also who used to put the kinds of "conditions" on USA and Europe but at the end him and his Serbia got what they deserved.
Same thing is happening now, Kostunica is talking and putting conditions on Europe and USA, and he and Serbia will again get some well deserved answers and actions.
I honestly think that the serb population should not allow someone like Kostunica to destroy the future of Serbia.
Every country in Europe, including Serbia, has a chance for a bright future but if Serbia continues to be ruled by Kostunica, then the fate of Serbia will be the same like in Milosevic's time.
I hope that Serbia elects some better leadership, a leadership who lives in the world of realit. Examples would be Boris Tadic, Cedomir Jovanovic etc...

We're going back full circle now, this is just a rephrasing of the question that Serbia asked EU a few years ago. EU will not be able to answer this Q in the way Serbia wants it answered (i.e. EU sees Serbia with or without Kosovo) so I expect nothing usefull to come from this. Even if one country recognises Kosovo (and unfortunately we're way past that) that should mean that Serbia's territorial integrity will not be respected by a EU member upon joining... so its a waste of time to ask this. We already know EU has not decided as a block to recognise Kosovo so no real answer should be expected. What Serbia needs right now, is to recollect public opinion on these issues (EU, Kosovo) and make a clear stand on what they want. The politicians seem to just be wasting time right now...

Beni, Beni, Beni and your propaganda. Explain to me why the majority Serb about 75% of Vojvodina's population (thanks to the ethnic cleansing of Serb's from Kosovo)want's to leave Serbia. What the 250k Hungarians there, please. I know all your trying to do is get under our skin. It won't work. I and the rest of the Serbs here are pretty comfortable that Vojvodina is Serbian and, well, we have the people in place there to prove it.

I am very very sorry, but my analytics were completeley wrong. please forgive me!

"to roll the ball over to the opposite team for to defense the Serbian box" is the only chance for playing-captain Kostunica! it is the only way to prevent another Serbian AUTO GOAL! (sorry that I did not say it earlier - because Tadic shot a sensational one in the meantime - the whole world talks about it)

better don't burn the ball (Kosovo) - it is much more clever to burn your goal (EU). if there is no goal, the ball can not go inside!

Lets see where this leads.
(ZK UK, 6 March 2008 18:28)

it will simply lead to the next GOAL against Serbia -> see rolerkoster rule "a"

rolling the ball to the opposite team for to defense your own box - what a great tactical twist!

next time better burn it!

What would Serbia get out of Kosovo, if:
(a) All the nations withdrew their recognition of the Independence?
(b) Kosovo remained autonomous under Serbia?
It would get nothing at all from Kosovo, in terms of better life for its citizens. How is Kosovo going to give better salaries to someone working in Belgrade for example?
Serbia would give nothing at all to the Kosovo citizens too, except the Serbs that are there maybe. Kosovo is "lost" anyway, from every angle you look at it, from any "solution" you can think of. Kosovo inside Serbia or outside Serbia will not contribute in any way to the life of the average citizen in Serbia. No taxes will be collected from Kosovo in both cases, no Serbian investments will go to Kosovo in both cases. The natural resources of Kosovo will not go to Serbia in both cases. I am trying hard to see how Kosovo inside Serbia or outside Serbia will affect in positive or negative the life of the ordinary citizen in Serbia...can't find anything. Anybody wants to help me?

Very dumb question, don't you know your own borders?

A MESSAGE FOR ZK UK AND BMRUSILA: Serbia is not in the position to put conditions to the EU. Serbia should concentrate on EU integration and forget about Kosovo.

Every body in europe knows where serbia lies. Serbia without vojvodina of course. Europe will recognise serbia in its border these mean serbia woithout Vojvodina and of course wothout Kosova. You should know this because europe knows it.

Mr. Kostunica! Do not put all your bets on EU lack of consensus on recognition of Kosova. You will loose big time. So will you people. You have turned the majority of Serbs against EU integration because of Kosova!!!! Milosevic have lost Kosova in 1999. Why do you want so badly to take the blame for loosing Kosova from Milosevic? By trying to re-gain Kosova with some weak legalistic arguments - don’t you see that you have turning into Milosevic yourself? Don’t you see how much you are damaging the future of your nation by aligning it with Russian thugs?

I always thought that the among the first Prime Ministers duties is to know its county's borders. I think in order not to look so amatour in geography he should ask his advisors who by know I hope they can help their Boss. By the way Mr.Thaci does not have to ask the EU which are his country's border. Probably Thaci is far better in geography apart from his diplomatic skills that he posses.

"King of Confusion" Kralja Kostunica still does not understand the rules of the game, which he tries to win. Hey! For to shoot a goal, you should (a) be in pocession of the ball and (b) don't shoot it into your own box - and then blame the other team counting it as their favour!

In the last 20-30 years Serbia and Serbs have shown to be incapable to preserve their territory. So, Kostunica and Serbia should do whatever needed to become a NATO member rather then addressing silly questions to EU. Kosovo is lost, and only NATO may save Serbia from loosing even more territory.

Cheers!

Its like asking a court for the interpretation of a legal agreement. EU is not the court, and since 15 out of 27 member states have officially and independently recognized the borders of Kosovo, they have automatically recognized the "new" borders of shrunk Serbia. EU was not able to recognize in group Kosovo, so of course it cannot express itself in block for the new borders of Serbia. Your Prime Minister, who is supposed to be a lawyer should no that. That's such a pathetic diplomatic move. I am sorry to say but Serbia needs to be self clarified before asking for clarification by the International Community!

(ZK UK, 6 March 2008 14:10)

15 EU Countries have already recognised Kosovo.
2 (Finland & Lithuania) more will do that most likely in the next few days.
More EU countries will do that soon.
Now, which borders you expect these countries recognise.
Every country that has recognised Kosovo knows the borders of Serbia.
So ZK, it is a dumb question (or just a cheap political ploy).
You know Mr. Kostunica that this might backfire big time.
You might just wish you never asked the question.

“After the proclamation of the fake state on February 17, and after the EU’s decision to send its illegal EULEX mission to implement the rejected Ahtisaari plan, the question is rightfully being asked— within which borders does the EU recognize Serbia?”

Very nicely put Mr Kostunica - could've also added:

"illegal EULEX mission (whose supposed authority was rejected by the UN)" & "and after then forming an utterly partisan & unacknowledged 'International Steering Group"


Ahmet Isufi:
"Very dumb question, don't you know your own borders?
(Ahmet Isufi, 6 March 2008 13:03) "

Very dumb post. Take you a while to come up with it?


Merita:

Kosovo will only be lost when serbs give-up & if you, or K-albanians, or 'brussels', or US think serbs will do so easily, you are living 'with the fairies'. K-albanian UDI is only start of story, not end.

And arguments for retention of Kosovo within Serbia are neither weak, nor legalistic. They are based firmly on International law & the UN charter - is reason why Rehn has to keep re-inventing absurd justifications for EU's presence in Kosovo.


Mircea:

I would say situation was precisely the opposite. Looks to me like 'brussels' (not the EU - which does not recognise K-albanian UDI) is doing everything possible to try to 'get' Serbia into EU. Last thing they want is a non-aligned Serbia in the middle of balkans.

When some-one tries very hard to sell one something - is prudent to examine product VERY carefully before committing to a sale - and then only AFTER bartering.

Is plenty of time - Kosovo ain't going anywhere.



(((uh-oh... there's more of them.. will have to finish this, or it'll never get posted! :)))



Pro K-albanian posters on this thread:

Would seem to me that when so many of you are so dead against about Kostunica's intentions, then he must be doing precisely the right thing.

Go for it Mr Kostunica.

Good move there by Koštunica. Why is he the only proactive politician? He shows true leadership qualities.

Absolutely right Mr Kostunica! Lets see how the friendly EU sees Serbia and in what boundaries. Perhaps, they have some other booked parts of Serbia waiting to be granted. I say we wait for the answer from the EU and then referendum.

Ahmet Isufi wrote:

Very dumb question, don't you know your own borders?
--
Of course he knows Serbia's borders but he is not asking himself but the EU!

The EU is divided so we need some confirmation. This is an EU problem it needs to resolve and could further destabilise it.

Lets see how it tries to wiggle itself out of this one.

Brilliant! Throw it back in their face and see what Cyprus, Spain and Romania tell them. They know our borders just like we do... and they INCLUDE KOSOVO! CCCC

Mircea wrote:
Serbia is not in the position to put conditions to the EU. Serbia should concentrate on EU integration and forget about Kosovo.
--
Hahaha, now this is the funniest thing I've heard all day. Do you work for the Albanian ministry of propaganda?

Albanians giving Serbians advice compares to letting the fox guard the henhouse!

Now seeing this obviously annoys the Albanian side, I'd say Kostunica is doing the right thing.

If the Serbs condition EU entry to include Serbia's territorial integrity, it will be a huge win for Serbia. That is obvious by the pressure being put on the government as we speak. The EU and Tadic will block it where they can but Kostunica seems to have the upper hand.

Lets see where this leads.

Lets see where this leads.
(ZK UK, 6 March 2008 18:28)

it will simply lead to the next GOAL against Serbia -> see rolerkoster rule "a"

rolling the ball to the opposite team for to defense your own box - what a great tactical twist!

next time better burn it!

you guys dont know, or you pretend you dont :)
i have faith in you, i know it's the second :)
of course kostunica knows what eu thinks serbia's borders are, and of course we all do. this is not designed for eu's response or for kostunica's learning. this is to sink the ds and their policy, to expose it for what it is, and it will work.

He just wanted to see how many of them are OK with stealing Serbian teritory and are OK with having terrorist goverment take over Serbian land.
Nothing wrong with that,since they are so kin to have Serbia join that shamefull union.

Ahmet Isufi wrote:
"Very dumb question, don't you know your own borders?"

Ahmet, how about providing the borders for your Greater Albania? I'm sure the EU would like to know this, especially EU member Greece as well as candidates Macedonia and Montenegro.

OK,somebody said dum question so,will the EU give it a dumb answer....

I am very very sorry, but my analytics were completeley wrong. please forgive me!

"to roll the ball over to the opposite team for to defense the Serbian box" is the only chance for playing-captain Kostunica! it is the only way to prevent another Serbian AUTO GOAL! (sorry that I did not say it earlier - because Tadic shot a sensational one in the meantime - the whole world talks about it)

better don't burn the ball (Kosovo) - it is much more clever to burn your goal (EU). if there is no goal, the ball can not go inside!

We're going back full circle now, this is just a rephrasing of the question that Serbia asked EU a few years ago. EU will not be able to answer this Q in the way Serbia wants it answered (i.e. EU sees Serbia with or without Kosovo) so I expect nothing usefull to come from this. Even if one country recognises Kosovo (and unfortunately we're way past that) that should mean that Serbia's territorial integrity will not be respected by a EU member upon joining... so its a waste of time to ask this. We already know EU has not decided as a block to recognise Kosovo so no real answer should be expected. What Serbia needs right now, is to recollect public opinion on these issues (EU, Kosovo) and make a clear stand on what they want. The politicians seem to just be wasting time right now...

What would Serbia get out of Kosovo, if:
(a) All the nations withdrew their recognition of the Independence?
(b) Kosovo remained autonomous under Serbia?
It would get nothing at all from Kosovo, in terms of better life for its citizens. How is Kosovo going to give better salaries to someone working in Belgrade for example?
Serbia would give nothing at all to the Kosovo citizens too, except the Serbs that are there maybe. Kosovo is "lost" anyway, from every angle you look at it, from any "solution" you can think of. Kosovo inside Serbia or outside Serbia will not contribute in any way to the life of the average citizen in Serbia. No taxes will be collected from Kosovo in both cases, no Serbian investments will go to Kosovo in both cases. The natural resources of Kosovo will not go to Serbia in both cases. I am trying hard to see how Kosovo inside Serbia or outside Serbia will affect in positive or negative the life of the ordinary citizen in Serbia...can't find anything. Anybody wants to help me?

Europe has shown complete disrespect for Serbia, Its commission is unelected, its parliament is weak and corrupt, it cannot effect foreign policy without America and its nations are almost completely dependent on Russia for Oil and Gas...Why is Mr Kostunica even bothering to ask it a question?

The jokes coming out of Kostunica's mouth have no end. I think he should become a comic instead of being a politician.

It was Milosevic also who used to put the kinds of "conditions" on USA and Europe but at the end him and his Serbia got what they deserved.
Same thing is happening now, Kostunica is talking and putting conditions on Europe and USA, and he and Serbia will again get some well deserved answers and actions.
I honestly think that the serb population should not allow someone like Kostunica to destroy the future of Serbia.
Every country in Europe, including Serbia, has a chance for a bright future but if Serbia continues to be ruled by Kostunica, then the fate of Serbia will be the same like in Milosevic's time.
I hope that Serbia elects some better leadership, a leadership who lives in the world of realit. Examples would be Boris Tadic, Cedomir Jovanovic etc...

Beni, Beni, Beni and your propaganda. Explain to me why the majority Serb about 75% of Vojvodina's population (thanks to the ethnic cleansing of Serb's from Kosovo)want's to leave Serbia. What the 250k Hungarians there, please. I know all your trying to do is get under our skin. It won't work. I and the rest of the Serbs here are pretty comfortable that Vojvodina is Serbian and, well, we have the people in place there to prove it.