Jovan, you are correct to a degree, things like I described take decades or centuries, however in this modern age there is an accelerated time scale so anything is possible.
yes, the US are on their way downward...but that won´t take only five years.
it will take some time longer until the ultimate rogue state loses importance in the scale you are writing about.
so, let´s just see what future brings, I think that the Albanians should be aware that they have made a mistake, one that can´t excused - and they will realize that sooner or later.
as for the "unique case"-nonsense: they look like some real fools by making these ridiculous statements.
Tom Casey reminds me of the character Dorothy in the story, The Wizard of Oz.
Dorothy is told that all she has to do is close her eyes and click her heels together three times and think to herself over and over again, "There's no place like home, There's no place like home, There's no place like home.”
When Dorothy awakens she realizes she was only dreaming.
Well, Mr. Casey, You can close your eyes, click your heels and repeat over and over again, “Kosovo does not set a precedent, Kosovo does not set a precedent, Kosovo does not set a precedent.”
Just like Dorothy, you will realize that just because you say it, does not make it so.
I already knew that this woman is not normal and despite her education she seems to be living on another planet. Let's pray that the remaining 9 months or so in office there will be plenty of future damage control.
First, the State Department is becoming the biggest comedy group since Monty Python. They tend to have a fabulous track record of saying the absolute opposite of what actually happens. I've stopped taking them seriously a long time ago.
Second, the Albanians have been, if anything, incredibly determined in their efforts at self determination. Just from what I get on this site, Albanians have been pushing for an independent Kosovo as early as Adam and Eve's expulsion from the Garden of Eden. How many times have they declared independence, and how many times have they been ignored? If anything, their tenacity shows that if at first you don't succeed, try again with more money thrown at a powerful nation to back you. This shows that independence referrendums can happen as many times as needed until someone finally decides to be your international cash cow: Turkey is to N. Cyprus; US is to Kosovo province, and Russia could be to a number of would-be statelets.
Third, if there's any group of people that have suffered human rights abuses over the last 100 years and deserves more land to call their own, it's the Armenians.
Dino:
"What good is a "precedent" if nobody is willing to recognise you. I can scream my own house as independent until i am "blue in the face" but if noone is willing to recognise me as so, what can I do? "
You're missing the point.
Using your analogy, your "screaming" is hurting your neighbours ear-drums.
And other secessionists, by citing Kosovo as a precedent, will be killing people.
Whether Kosovo is a precedent or not - doesn't matter. They will still use the case of Kosovo as an excuse for conflict.
For these other conflicts, blame does not lie with K-albanians - at least not directly.
One doesn't blame the 'chicken-thief' if some-one else opens the 'hen-house' door.
US & it's cronies are to blame.
"Serbia didnt think of the world and precedents when it tried to carve parts of croatia and bosnia as part of its own territory. now where is a precedent for that? "
Well this is certainly a hard one to answer.. let's see now.. ummm...
Oh I know.. hows about Albania/Greater Albania during WWII?
dino, you are right, precedent is no good. thats what we're talking about here. separatist will not get recognized immediately, but neither were our albanians. so separatists will resort to violence more than ever before because they understand it pays off. so various separatist-terrorists around the world will clash and attack their countries and hope that eventually they will get recognized too, and it the meanwhile keep declaring. that you or solana tells them kosovo is a unique case will not make them say, oh well, ok then, and turn into productive and normal citizens. this is why governments around the world are very, very worried. this is the latest version sorry europe has produced of 'peace in our time'.
and i wont even talk about the utterly discredited bush administration that is hitting its head against one wall after another, causing unseen suffering and terror around the globe and economic terror for its citizens at home. it will be over soon thank god.
What good is a "precedent" if nobody is willing to recognise you.
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Abkhazia and South Ossetia only need Russia's recognition as they both border it. Srpska Republika only needs Serbia's recognition because they border each other also. Look at Northern Cyprus, it has only Turkey's recognition but has been divided for decades!
In other regions, it serves to renew conflict as is occuring in Nagorno-Karabakh and "Kurdistan".
The US has opened a can of worms and will probably have its hands fully shortly with the mess it has made!
If the Albanians are to succeed, Serbia and Russia should immediately recognise their secessionist neighbours!
What good is a "precedent" if nobody is willing to recognise you. I can scream my own house as independent until i am "blue in the face" but if noone is willing to recognise me as so, what can I do? Answer is nothing. No other region has such a support for independence and as we all know, in politics, there is no black and white and in politics its all about self interest and nothing about fairness. Serbia didnt think of the world and precedents when it tried to carve parts of croatia and bosnia as part of its own territory. now where is a precedent for that?
Is this the same US State Department that told the world and its own citizens that Iraq had Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD's), and then the duped US military - at the very least, their own infantrymen 'grunts' were initially duped into putting their lives on the line regarding the false reason for war - invaded Iraq and thoroughly destroyed the country from the top down, hanged the country's president, created an environment for terrorists/terrorism to thrive by abusing the citizens, made "non-war crime"(!) situations like Abu Ghraib, and then couldn't find any WMD's after all? Or is this some other State Department which somehow does not lie? They have blatantly lied to the face of the world before, so do they tell the truth now?
The US opened "Pandora's box" & is now attempting to close it again.
Too late Mr Casey - doesn't work that way.
You & those like you now bear a partial responsibility for this & any other future conflicts in which one side claims Kosovo as a precedent.
Saying that Kosovos's case is 'unique' & doesn't set a precedent means nothing. The mere existence of a 'unique' case for Kosovo is enough. If one 'unique' set of circumstances exists, that who's to say that others don't also. And just using the word 'unique' in regard to Kosovo is meaningless.
And of course, one side in a future conflict, only has to 'claim' Kosovo as a precedent - it doesn't even have to prove it.
Of course, you & your ilk will deny everything.. makes no difference - is the truth.
CASEY'S REMARKS>“Kosovo’s status was implemented with a specific United Nations Security Council resolution, which presupposed that status would be defined at the right moment by the international community.>>>Does this means he is an idiot? He doesnt know that the status was not done thru the un security council? Did he come from mars???
Well, Mr Casey, you can say "Kosovo is no precedent" until you're blue in the face, but who are you trying to convince?
All these seperatists throughout the world have already acknowledged this precedent as favouring their cause! Some conflicts have already started and it seems the US may have its hands full very soon.
My question is whether this is deliberate to cause further division and instability throughout the world?
Ha, ha, ha. Firstly, the specific UNSC resolution does not say anything about presupposed status that would be define by International community.
Secondly, who represents IC? If state department have in mind only USA, UK , France and Germany as IC then you are right, but I think that IC is a bit bigger.
Thirdly, if the resolution says that the status should be defined by the IC why did they bypass UN? Well, the world I a bit bigger than USA, France, UK and Germany.
And in the end, that resolution that you refer to, clearly stays that Kosovo and Metohija is Serbian southern province and integral part of Serbia.
However, the Pandora box seems to be already opened only some 3 weeks after Kosovo UDI.
Ha, ha, ha. Firstly, the specific UNSC resolution does not say anything about presupposed status that would be define by International community.
Secondly, who represents IC? If state department have in mind only USA, UK , France and Germany as IC then you are right, but I think that IC is a bit bigger.
Thirdly, if the resolution says that the status should be defined by the IC why did they bypass UN? Well, the world I a bit bigger than USA, France, UK and Germany.
And in the end, that resolution that you refer to, clearly stays that Kosovo and Metohija is Serbian southern province and integral part of Serbia.
However, the Pandora box seems to be already opened only some 3 weeks after Kosovo UDI.
Well, Mr Casey, you can say "Kosovo is no precedent" until you're blue in the face, but who are you trying to convince?
All these seperatists throughout the world have already acknowledged this precedent as favouring their cause! Some conflicts have already started and it seems the US may have its hands full very soon.
My question is whether this is deliberate to cause further division and instability throughout the world?
CASEY'S REMARKS>“Kosovo’s status was implemented with a specific United Nations Security Council resolution, which presupposed that status would be defined at the right moment by the international community.>>>Does this means he is an idiot? He doesnt know that the status was not done thru the un security council? Did he come from mars???
Is this the same US State Department that told the world and its own citizens that Iraq had Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD's), and then the duped US military - at the very least, their own infantrymen 'grunts' were initially duped into putting their lives on the line regarding the false reason for war - invaded Iraq and thoroughly destroyed the country from the top down, hanged the country's president, created an environment for terrorists/terrorism to thrive by abusing the citizens, made "non-war crime"(!) situations like Abu Ghraib, and then couldn't find any WMD's after all? Or is this some other State Department which somehow does not lie? They have blatantly lied to the face of the world before, so do they tell the truth now?
The US opened "Pandora's box" & is now attempting to close it again.
Too late Mr Casey - doesn't work that way.
You & those like you now bear a partial responsibility for this & any other future conflicts in which one side claims Kosovo as a precedent.
Saying that Kosovos's case is 'unique' & doesn't set a precedent means nothing. The mere existence of a 'unique' case for Kosovo is enough. If one 'unique' set of circumstances exists, that who's to say that others don't also. And just using the word 'unique' in regard to Kosovo is meaningless.
And of course, one side in a future conflict, only has to 'claim' Kosovo as a precedent - it doesn't even have to prove it.
Of course, you & your ilk will deny everything.. makes no difference - is the truth.
Tom Casey reminds me of the character Dorothy in the story, The Wizard of Oz.
Dorothy is told that all she has to do is close her eyes and click her heels together three times and think to herself over and over again, "There's no place like home, There's no place like home, There's no place like home.”
When Dorothy awakens she realizes she was only dreaming.
Well, Mr. Casey, You can close your eyes, click your heels and repeat over and over again, “Kosovo does not set a precedent, Kosovo does not set a precedent, Kosovo does not set a precedent.”
Just like Dorothy, you will realize that just because you say it, does not make it so.
What good is a "precedent" if nobody is willing to recognise you.
--
Abkhazia and South Ossetia only need Russia's recognition as they both border it. Srpska Republika only needs Serbia's recognition because they border each other also. Look at Northern Cyprus, it has only Turkey's recognition but has been divided for decades!
In other regions, it serves to renew conflict as is occuring in Nagorno-Karabakh and "Kurdistan".
The US has opened a can of worms and will probably have its hands fully shortly with the mess it has made!
If the Albanians are to succeed, Serbia and Russia should immediately recognise their secessionist neighbours!
I already knew that this woman is not normal and despite her education she seems to be living on another planet. Let's pray that the remaining 9 months or so in office there will be plenty of future damage control.
yes, the US are on their way downward...but that won´t take only five years.
it will take some time longer until the ultimate rogue state loses importance in the scale you are writing about.
so, let´s just see what future brings, I think that the Albanians should be aware that they have made a mistake, one that can´t excused - and they will realize that sooner or later.
as for the "unique case"-nonsense: they look like some real fools by making these ridiculous statements.
First, the State Department is becoming the biggest comedy group since Monty Python. They tend to have a fabulous track record of saying the absolute opposite of what actually happens. I've stopped taking them seriously a long time ago.
Second, the Albanians have been, if anything, incredibly determined in their efforts at self determination. Just from what I get on this site, Albanians have been pushing for an independent Kosovo as early as Adam and Eve's expulsion from the Garden of Eden. How many times have they declared independence, and how many times have they been ignored? If anything, their tenacity shows that if at first you don't succeed, try again with more money thrown at a powerful nation to back you. This shows that independence referrendums can happen as many times as needed until someone finally decides to be your international cash cow: Turkey is to N. Cyprus; US is to Kosovo province, and Russia could be to a number of would-be statelets.
Third, if there's any group of people that have suffered human rights abuses over the last 100 years and deserves more land to call their own, it's the Armenians.
dino, you are right, precedent is no good. thats what we're talking about here. separatist will not get recognized immediately, but neither were our albanians. so separatists will resort to violence more than ever before because they understand it pays off. so various separatist-terrorists around the world will clash and attack their countries and hope that eventually they will get recognized too, and it the meanwhile keep declaring. that you or solana tells them kosovo is a unique case will not make them say, oh well, ok then, and turn into productive and normal citizens. this is why governments around the world are very, very worried. this is the latest version sorry europe has produced of 'peace in our time'.
and i wont even talk about the utterly discredited bush administration that is hitting its head against one wall after another, causing unseen suffering and terror around the globe and economic terror for its citizens at home. it will be over soon thank god.
Dino:
"What good is a "precedent" if nobody is willing to recognise you. I can scream my own house as independent until i am "blue in the face" but if noone is willing to recognise me as so, what can I do? "
You're missing the point.
Using your analogy, your "screaming" is hurting your neighbours ear-drums.
And other secessionists, by citing Kosovo as a precedent, will be killing people.
Whether Kosovo is a precedent or not - doesn't matter. They will still use the case of Kosovo as an excuse for conflict.
For these other conflicts, blame does not lie with K-albanians - at least not directly.
One doesn't blame the 'chicken-thief' if some-one else opens the 'hen-house' door.
US & it's cronies are to blame.
"Serbia didnt think of the world and precedents when it tried to carve parts of croatia and bosnia as part of its own territory. now where is a precedent for that? "
Well this is certainly a hard one to answer.. let's see now.. ummm...
Oh I know.. hows about Albania/Greater Albania during WWII?
Jovan, you are correct to a degree, things like I described take decades or centuries, however in this modern age there is an accelerated time scale so anything is possible.
What good is a "precedent" if nobody is willing to recognise you. I can scream my own house as independent until i am "blue in the face" but if noone is willing to recognise me as so, what can I do? Answer is nothing. No other region has such a support for independence and as we all know, in politics, there is no black and white and in politics its all about self interest and nothing about fairness. Serbia didnt think of the world and precedents when it tried to carve parts of croatia and bosnia as part of its own territory. now where is a precedent for that?
What good is a "precedent" if nobody is willing to recognise you. I can scream my own house as independent until i am "blue in the face" but if noone is willing to recognise me as so, what can I do? Answer is nothing. No other region has such a support for independence and as we all know, in politics, there is no black and white and in politics its all about self interest and nothing about fairness. Serbia didnt think of the world and precedents when it tried to carve parts of croatia and bosnia as part of its own territory. now where is a precedent for that?
Well, Mr Casey, you can say "Kosovo is no precedent" until you're blue in the face, but who are you trying to convince?
All these seperatists throughout the world have already acknowledged this precedent as favouring their cause! Some conflicts have already started and it seems the US may have its hands full very soon.
My question is whether this is deliberate to cause further division and instability throughout the world?
Ha, ha, ha. Firstly, the specific UNSC resolution does not say anything about presupposed status that would be define by International community.
Secondly, who represents IC? If state department have in mind only USA, UK , France and Germany as IC then you are right, but I think that IC is a bit bigger.
Thirdly, if the resolution says that the status should be defined by the IC why did they bypass UN? Well, the world I a bit bigger than USA, France, UK and Germany.
And in the end, that resolution that you refer to, clearly stays that Kosovo and Metohija is Serbian southern province and integral part of Serbia.
However, the Pandora box seems to be already opened only some 3 weeks after Kosovo UDI.
CASEY'S REMARKS>“Kosovo’s status was implemented with a specific United Nations Security Council resolution, which presupposed that status would be defined at the right moment by the international community.>>>Does this means he is an idiot? He doesnt know that the status was not done thru the un security council? Did he come from mars???
The US opened "Pandora's box" & is now attempting to close it again.
Too late Mr Casey - doesn't work that way.
You & those like you now bear a partial responsibility for this & any other future conflicts in which one side claims Kosovo as a precedent.
Saying that Kosovos's case is 'unique' & doesn't set a precedent means nothing. The mere existence of a 'unique' case for Kosovo is enough. If one 'unique' set of circumstances exists, that who's to say that others don't also. And just using the word 'unique' in regard to Kosovo is meaningless.
And of course, one side in a future conflict, only has to 'claim' Kosovo as a precedent - it doesn't even have to prove it.
Of course, you & your ilk will deny everything.. makes no difference - is the truth.
Is this the same US State Department that told the world and its own citizens that Iraq had Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD's), and then the duped US military - at the very least, their own infantrymen 'grunts' were initially duped into putting their lives on the line regarding the false reason for war - invaded Iraq and thoroughly destroyed the country from the top down, hanged the country's president, created an environment for terrorists/terrorism to thrive by abusing the citizens, made "non-war crime"(!) situations like Abu Ghraib, and then couldn't find any WMD's after all? Or is this some other State Department which somehow does not lie? They have blatantly lied to the face of the world before, so do they tell the truth now?
What good is a "precedent" if nobody is willing to recognise you.
--
Abkhazia and South Ossetia only need Russia's recognition as they both border it. Srpska Republika only needs Serbia's recognition because they border each other also. Look at Northern Cyprus, it has only Turkey's recognition but has been divided for decades!
In other regions, it serves to renew conflict as is occuring in Nagorno-Karabakh and "Kurdistan".
The US has opened a can of worms and will probably have its hands fully shortly with the mess it has made!
If the Albanians are to succeed, Serbia and Russia should immediately recognise their secessionist neighbours!
dino, you are right, precedent is no good. thats what we're talking about here. separatist will not get recognized immediately, but neither were our albanians. so separatists will resort to violence more than ever before because they understand it pays off. so various separatist-terrorists around the world will clash and attack their countries and hope that eventually they will get recognized too, and it the meanwhile keep declaring. that you or solana tells them kosovo is a unique case will not make them say, oh well, ok then, and turn into productive and normal citizens. this is why governments around the world are very, very worried. this is the latest version sorry europe has produced of 'peace in our time'.
and i wont even talk about the utterly discredited bush administration that is hitting its head against one wall after another, causing unseen suffering and terror around the globe and economic terror for its citizens at home. it will be over soon thank god.
Dino:
"What good is a "precedent" if nobody is willing to recognise you. I can scream my own house as independent until i am "blue in the face" but if noone is willing to recognise me as so, what can I do? "
You're missing the point.
Using your analogy, your "screaming" is hurting your neighbours ear-drums.
And other secessionists, by citing Kosovo as a precedent, will be killing people.
Whether Kosovo is a precedent or not - doesn't matter. They will still use the case of Kosovo as an excuse for conflict.
For these other conflicts, blame does not lie with K-albanians - at least not directly.
One doesn't blame the 'chicken-thief' if some-one else opens the 'hen-house' door.
US & it's cronies are to blame.
"Serbia didnt think of the world and precedents when it tried to carve parts of croatia and bosnia as part of its own territory. now where is a precedent for that? "
Well this is certainly a hard one to answer.. let's see now.. ummm...
Oh I know.. hows about Albania/Greater Albania during WWII?
First, the State Department is becoming the biggest comedy group since Monty Python. They tend to have a fabulous track record of saying the absolute opposite of what actually happens. I've stopped taking them seriously a long time ago.
Second, the Albanians have been, if anything, incredibly determined in their efforts at self determination. Just from what I get on this site, Albanians have been pushing for an independent Kosovo as early as Adam and Eve's expulsion from the Garden of Eden. How many times have they declared independence, and how many times have they been ignored? If anything, their tenacity shows that if at first you don't succeed, try again with more money thrown at a powerful nation to back you. This shows that independence referrendums can happen as many times as needed until someone finally decides to be your international cash cow: Turkey is to N. Cyprus; US is to Kosovo province, and Russia could be to a number of would-be statelets.
Third, if there's any group of people that have suffered human rights abuses over the last 100 years and deserves more land to call their own, it's the Armenians.
I already knew that this woman is not normal and despite her education she seems to be living on another planet. Let's pray that the remaining 9 months or so in office there will be plenty of future damage control.
Tom Casey reminds me of the character Dorothy in the story, The Wizard of Oz.
Dorothy is told that all she has to do is close her eyes and click her heels together three times and think to herself over and over again, "There's no place like home, There's no place like home, There's no place like home.”
When Dorothy awakens she realizes she was only dreaming.
Well, Mr. Casey, You can close your eyes, click your heels and repeat over and over again, “Kosovo does not set a precedent, Kosovo does not set a precedent, Kosovo does not set a precedent.”
Just like Dorothy, you will realize that just because you say it, does not make it so.
yes, the US are on their way downward...but that won´t take only five years.
it will take some time longer until the ultimate rogue state loses importance in the scale you are writing about.
so, let´s just see what future brings, I think that the Albanians should be aware that they have made a mistake, one that can´t excused - and they will realize that sooner or later.
as for the "unique case"-nonsense: they look like some real fools by making these ridiculous statements.
Jovan, you are correct to a degree, things like I described take decades or centuries, however in this modern age there is an accelerated time scale so anything is possible.
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