Good comment for Serbians and the region. This is the most pro-active and determined comment since Djindjic's death. However, only intellectual elite of Serbian people will understand Tadic's line of thinking. Kosovo is independent and recognised significantly now,thus is part of history. So the only way forward is not whining but joining the EU prosperous block.
Serbs!!! wake up.
EU is all about politics. They are trying to make you feel guilty, and accept anything.
Here in Greece we are close to middle east as far as behaviour/services are (altho i am not sure, i've never been there). We never stop at passenger crossings, we never, never,never respect any lane painted on the (few kilometers) of national highways (if they can be called that way), compassion and formality are not-existent, order is absent, law is rare, bribes in everyday life are more than common, public services is a joke, 800,000 women-slaves are "transfered" everyday from Greece, and yet
everybody and i mean everybody (USA,UK,EU,RUSSIA,CHINA,JAPAN,KOREA) loves mouzaka and ouzo and bouzouki and we are all cool, you see?
If you Serbs did all the above as we the greeks do,
i wonder, would your sky fill with bombs, or would you be a heavenly place loved by all? i really dont know.
A MESSAGE FOR ZK UK: If Serbia keeps wasting time, it is possible that Kosovo will join the EU before Serbia. Then, Serbia will have to wait for the parliament in Pristina to ratify the Accession Treaty of Serbia to the EU.
"For that reason the EU has already mentioned it wanted all of the Balkans to enter together. "
Call it instinct, but assuming that Serbia wants EU and also joins EU at some stage... by that time there will be either "special rules for Serbs" or some form of EU constitutional change where perhaps they make a majority rules type vote for getting new members in the union to prevent the balkan nations with previous conflicts of vetoing each others bids.
Its very likely that other balkand nations will block each others bid for EU so I think they will have to do something "special" to allow all balkan nations in the EU. Kind of like a unique case type policy (hint hint Kosovo?). (e.g. Croatia will join EU before Serbia guaranteed, assuming Serbia wants to join, Croatia will say no, but EU will say its a special case so we will allow them entry, or even more simply... they will just bribe the Croatians, same scenario can be applied to Serbia-Albania)
'Most people will vote against EU membership out of spite. And if Balkan peoples are good at anything, its holding grudges and acting out of spite.'
If that is true it is something to be ashamed of. However, some of us base our decisions on the best interests of the country. Although yes there are always those that obsess with the other side, or relentlessly criticise whilst offering no alternative.
Rational thinking will win the day in the end in Serbia, despite pressure from outside and within.
If one of Serbia or Croatia enters before the other, they will undoubtably block entry of the other.
Serbia must make it clear there will be no entry without its territorial integrity guaranteed!
(ZK UK, 6 March 2008 19:29)
Concerning EU integration, Croatia is far ahead of Serbia - and noone of the EU member states will say to Croatia: sorry, but you have to wait for integration, until Serbia knows, what it definetively wants.
For two decades "core Serbia" is blocked by it's own politics - there has been no progress since 1999. Tadic proved this today with his words - which are much more violent than burning down an embassy - because he represents Serbia officially. But today he behaved like an hooligan on international level and showed his true face.
Every EU state has the right to veto the entry of any candidate.
Slovenia can veto Croatia unless it concedes that piece of land it wants and the fishing zone is removed.
Greece can veto "Makedonija" if it doesn't have an acceptable name.
Serbia would veto Croatia until all of the ethnically cleaned refugees return and given their houses back. Also, some form of autonomy granted to them.
I doubt very much that Serbia would permit any country to join that has recognised Kosovo. Albania better hope Serbia doesn't join before it.
The veto is there for all members.
I would be quite happy if Serbia didn't join the EU. I think it will do much better out of it.
The world is moving East and the West needs to unite if it is to have any chance of survival.
With the US and EU at 100% productive capacity, China only needs to reach 61% to match it! With the US at 100% capacity, China only needs to reach 23%.
This isnt about getting Kosovo back, Europe has turned its back against Serbia, they have vioated international law to punish Serbs and now expect us all to live together happily. Most people will vote against EU membership out of spite. And if Balkan peoples are good at anything, its holding grudges and acting out of spite.
I think all this SAA issue thrown on the table was a part of the plan or better said the road map after UDI.
But, now Serbia is in the position to ASK, so the government should better have a viable plan to follow if they refuse SAA because as the time passes, the window of opportunity will start narrowing for Serbia. Maybe a strong politic and economic Serbia is better and more powerful than a russian friendly one.
On the issue of countries blocking each other once they are inside the EU, I do not think that any balkan country will be in the position to veto out another country in the next 20 yrs. or so.
"As an EU member, Serbia would have the possibility to prevent other countries from becoming members, i.e. we could prevent Kosovo from joining," Tadić underscored.
Wow, so he recognises Kosovo as an independent nation. Nice going Tadic supporters, everyone who voted for Nikolic already knew this was Tadic's mentaility but good luck convinciong the masses. What we need now is a re-election and/or a referendum ASAP. If the Serbian public has not learned anything from this or if Tadic wins in a re-election then the Serbian people are doomed for certain. The people need to decide what their priorities will be - EU or Kosovo? Parlimentary vote is NOT a referendum and hence does not reflect public opinion because the parliment is an infitesimally small portion of the population. Its the other portion of the people that need to have their voices heard.
"As an EU member, Serbia would have the possibility to prevent other countries from becoming members, i.e. we could prevent Kosovo from joining," Tadić underscored.
!!! GREAT IDEA !!! who in the EU will let this president sign anything than a letter to resign IMMEDIATELY? this man has jeopardized EU integration for at least a decade, Serbia!
For that reason the EU has already mentioned it wanted all of the Balkans to enter together.
If one of Serbia or Croatia enters before the other, they will undoubtably block entry of the other.
This is more reason for Serbia to condition territorial integrity. It will hold up the entire Balkans and force a negotiated settlement. The alternative will be Serbia not to join and the EU could not live with that!
Serbia must make it clear there will be no entry without its territorial integrity guaranteed!
Now what are the chances the EU offers the SAA soon? I think it is highly likely seeing how things are developing.
i would transfer warren buffet's billions to my bank account today.
... if offered.
:)
let's see who gets there first, tadic to saa or me to warren's billions. any bets?
I hate to say it but Tadic has betrayed the Serbian people. He lied to his people so he can stay in office. And his campaign tactics were truly dirty. I am pretty sure this is his last time as president of Serbia. Shame on you Tadic for being a puppet of the west!
The key word(s): "...if offered...".
But it is not and not likely to, at least, not in a foreseeable future.
So, whom are these words directed towards?
What is going on?
Finally Tadic is starting to show some teeth here. You have to stand up to the likes of Kostunica and Sheshel who represent tyranny and self destruction. Sounds to me like Tadic will no longer roll over and let Kostunica have his “Self Destruction Plan” implemented through this government anyway. Give the Serbian people a choice and have an election ASAP. DS, LDP, G15 and minorities on the one side and Kustunica, Sheshel and former Milosevic cronies on other. Let the people decide. If they want to go with Kustunica and Sheshel, then so be it. Let’s see how that will help them. Good for Tadic to finally stand up to the bullies like Kostunica.
Please Serbs stop parroting the EU. The EU is soon no more, fear not, move on, choose another government, one that serves your interests and not the aggressors and let this man go back to where he came from...
"As an EU member, Serbia would have the possibility to prevent other countries from becoming members, i.e. we could prevent Kosovo from joining," Tadić underscored.
Now this is an "extraordinary smart" idea that no-one had thought about.
So, the race is on. Whoever gets first in EU will prevent the other to enter. All K-Albanians need is find Mladic and hide him in Pristina, until Kosova is ready to join EU. Then we deliver Mladic to Hague but it will be too late because Kosova will block Serbia's entry anyway.
I can't believe Tadic could fall so low and express himself in such revengeful way as if all it matter now is to "slap K-Albanians in the face". But then again, today, serbian public is totally hypnotized and easily buys into these arguments. If this helps Tadic on his plan to join EU, then I can't blame him.
"As an EU member, Serbia would have the possibility to prevent other countries from becoming members, i.e. we could prevent Kosovo from joining," Tadić underscored.
Your Serbian president just acknowledged the existence of the country of Kosovo with this sentance. It's a small step towards the inevitable future recognition of the Republic of Kosovo by the government of the Republic of Serbia. It's a small step in the right direction, but a step nonetheless.
Tadic knows very well that he can't in any way physical or political nature force the democratic Kosova to be under Serbia's rule. In this quest for dreamland you have isolated yourself and become less affluent. Did you guys an article today which talks about Balkan countries all transit points of Asian drugs coming into Europe? I say all these countries should come together to form a drug-border cooperation to destroy these thugs.
In an interview for weekly Vreme, the Serbian president and the leader of the Democrats, DS, said that in the cabinet, the DS ministers "will not carry out the decisions of some new parliamentary majority", Beta news agency says.
So much for your democracy. You are showing your true colors. However, we all know that Serbs elected u to preserve KOSOVO FIRST, EU integration second. You failed.
I'm sure the suport for the E.U. is much less now then it was before Kosovo's declaration on independence. However some people seem to think that if Serbia acts all tough and use harsh words towards the E.U. that they change their minds and that we will get Kosovo back.
The latest move by the E.U. comes as a slap in the face of Mr. Tadic and lots of pro E.U. serbs. But I am sure that Kosovo is pretty much a priority for Tadic, he just realises that the stance Kostunica and the radicals have taken won't bring Kosovo back. Cutting of ties with European countries, and urging Kosovo serbs to stay out of Kosovo's political life, is not in the best interests for Serbs in Kosovo and Serbs in the rest of Serbia. Good relationships however might help to improve the living conditions and to restore some much needed normality.
Richard, it is impossible to have good relations with people who do not respect you. Serbia has tried this for the last 7+ years and every concession that the nation has made has been met with further humiliation. Serbs, desperate for a good and prosperous life have been seduced by the EU's tall tales and big promises. After February 17 it is possible that some Serbs will wake up and smell the coffee.
It is EU policy to string Serbia along for just as long as it can. The minute that Serbia convinces the EU that it will not be strung along anymore, for better or worse the EU will change its approach.
There is a fundamental difference between any referendum that might be held now on Kosovo and the past Serbian presidential election.
The presidential election took place at a time when many Serbs still very naively believed that if they elected the U.S.-backed candidate (Tadic) they might be able to save Kosovo. That illusion is now shattered and all Serbs can see the truth. President Tadic can no longer hide the fact that Kosovo is not at all his priority and the fact that if necessary to get into the EU, Tadic would violate the Serbian constitutional provisions on Kosovo by agreeing to sign an EU membership for a "Serbia" that does not include Kosovo.
It is therefore definitely time for a change of government. That is the only way to send a clear message to the world that Serbia will never accept the theft of its territory. The EU will start to change course on Kosovo as soon as it understands that Serbia will truly stay outside the EU while the EU keeps pumping billions of euros into the non-viable illegal Albanian separatist regime in Kosovo. Sure, it will take some time for the thick-headed German overlords of the EU to get the message, but eventually even they will see the failure of their policy and back off from Serbia.
Serbia is heading toward a historic peaceful victory against the NATO empire and its quisling politicians across Europe.
Mr Tadic, the fundamental right in democracy is to ask people on the certain matter. Yes, in my opinion there is need for referendum as I would like to be asked on the matter of the EU integrations with or without Kosovo. But, if you are so sure that there is majority support for the EU integrations why then do you claim that there is no need for such thing? Do you fear something?
One thing I am sure, if LDP supports you then something is very wrong and stinky. Thus, referendum is necessary and perhaps new elections. You can continue with the same rhetoric as you used to it in presidential election campaign, but this time it won’t help you. Kosovo and EU integrations are two much related processes and lying people that you can provide both is not working any longer. This time even the intimidation rhetoric such as isolation blah,blah, isolation blah,blah isolation with SRS and DSS blah,blah, won’t help you. Howver, I think you know that.
Mr Tadic, you are naïve to believe that Serbs are just going to forget Kosovo and turn the page. Don’t you know that true Serbs never forget its ancestors and what they were dying for by centuries?
Mr Tadic, the fundamental right in democracy is to ask people on the certain matter. Yes, in my opinion there is need for referendum as I would like to be asked on the matter of the EU integrations with or without Kosovo. But, if you are so sure that there is majority support for the EU integrations why then do you claim that there is no need for such thing? Do you fear something?
One thing I am sure, if LDP supports you then something is very wrong and stinky. Thus, referendum is necessary and perhaps new elections. You can continue with the same rhetoric as you used to it in presidential election campaign, but this time it won’t help you. Kosovo and EU integrations are two much related processes and lying people that you can provide both is not working any longer. This time even the intimidation rhetoric such as isolation blah,blah, isolation blah,blah isolation with SRS and DSS blah,blah, won’t help you. Howver, I think you know that.
Mr Tadic, you are naïve to believe that Serbs are just going to forget Kosovo and turn the page. Don’t you know that true Serbs never forget its ancestors and what they were dying for by centuries?
There is a fundamental difference between any referendum that might be held now on Kosovo and the past Serbian presidential election.
The presidential election took place at a time when many Serbs still very naively believed that if they elected the U.S.-backed candidate (Tadic) they might be able to save Kosovo. That illusion is now shattered and all Serbs can see the truth. President Tadic can no longer hide the fact that Kosovo is not at all his priority and the fact that if necessary to get into the EU, Tadic would violate the Serbian constitutional provisions on Kosovo by agreeing to sign an EU membership for a "Serbia" that does not include Kosovo.
It is therefore definitely time for a change of government. That is the only way to send a clear message to the world that Serbia will never accept the theft of its territory. The EU will start to change course on Kosovo as soon as it understands that Serbia will truly stay outside the EU while the EU keeps pumping billions of euros into the non-viable illegal Albanian separatist regime in Kosovo. Sure, it will take some time for the thick-headed German overlords of the EU to get the message, but eventually even they will see the failure of their policy and back off from Serbia.
Serbia is heading toward a historic peaceful victory against the NATO empire and its quisling politicians across Europe.
Richard, it is impossible to have good relations with people who do not respect you. Serbia has tried this for the last 7+ years and every concession that the nation has made has been met with further humiliation. Serbs, desperate for a good and prosperous life have been seduced by the EU's tall tales and big promises. After February 17 it is possible that some Serbs will wake up and smell the coffee.
It is EU policy to string Serbia along for just as long as it can. The minute that Serbia convinces the EU that it will not be strung along anymore, for better or worse the EU will change its approach.
In an interview for weekly Vreme, the Serbian president and the leader of the Democrats, DS, said that in the cabinet, the DS ministers "will not carry out the decisions of some new parliamentary majority", Beta news agency says.
So much for your democracy. You are showing your true colors. However, we all know that Serbs elected u to preserve KOSOVO FIRST, EU integration second. You failed.
This isnt about getting Kosovo back, Europe has turned its back against Serbia, they have vioated international law to punish Serbs and now expect us all to live together happily. Most people will vote against EU membership out of spite. And if Balkan peoples are good at anything, its holding grudges and acting out of spite.
I'm sure the suport for the E.U. is much less now then it was before Kosovo's declaration on independence. However some people seem to think that if Serbia acts all tough and use harsh words towards the E.U. that they change their minds and that we will get Kosovo back.
The latest move by the E.U. comes as a slap in the face of Mr. Tadic and lots of pro E.U. serbs. But I am sure that Kosovo is pretty much a priority for Tadic, he just realises that the stance Kostunica and the radicals have taken won't bring Kosovo back. Cutting of ties with European countries, and urging Kosovo serbs to stay out of Kosovo's political life, is not in the best interests for Serbs in Kosovo and Serbs in the rest of Serbia. Good relationships however might help to improve the living conditions and to restore some much needed normality.
Please Serbs stop parroting the EU. The EU is soon no more, fear not, move on, choose another government, one that serves your interests and not the aggressors and let this man go back to where he came from...
For that reason the EU has already mentioned it wanted all of the Balkans to enter together.
If one of Serbia or Croatia enters before the other, they will undoubtably block entry of the other.
This is more reason for Serbia to condition territorial integrity. It will hold up the entire Balkans and force a negotiated settlement. The alternative will be Serbia not to join and the EU could not live with that!
Serbia must make it clear there will be no entry without its territorial integrity guaranteed!
Now what are the chances the EU offers the SAA soon? I think it is highly likely seeing how things are developing.
Every EU state has the right to veto the entry of any candidate.
Slovenia can veto Croatia unless it concedes that piece of land it wants and the fishing zone is removed.
Greece can veto "Makedonija" if it doesn't have an acceptable name.
Serbia would veto Croatia until all of the ethnically cleaned refugees return and given their houses back. Also, some form of autonomy granted to them.
I doubt very much that Serbia would permit any country to join that has recognised Kosovo. Albania better hope Serbia doesn't join before it.
The veto is there for all members.
I would be quite happy if Serbia didn't join the EU. I think it will do much better out of it.
The world is moving East and the West needs to unite if it is to have any chance of survival.
With the US and EU at 100% productive capacity, China only needs to reach 61% to match it! With the US at 100% capacity, China only needs to reach 23%.
"As an EU member, Serbia would have the possibility to prevent other countries from becoming members, i.e. we could prevent Kosovo from joining," Tadić underscored.
Now this is an "extraordinary smart" idea that no-one had thought about.
So, the race is on. Whoever gets first in EU will prevent the other to enter. All K-Albanians need is find Mladic and hide him in Pristina, until Kosova is ready to join EU. Then we deliver Mladic to Hague but it will be too late because Kosova will block Serbia's entry anyway.
I can't believe Tadic could fall so low and express himself in such revengeful way as if all it matter now is to "slap K-Albanians in the face". But then again, today, serbian public is totally hypnotized and easily buys into these arguments. If this helps Tadic on his plan to join EU, then I can't blame him.
i would transfer warren buffet's billions to my bank account today.
... if offered.
:)
let's see who gets there first, tadic to saa or me to warren's billions. any bets?
I hate to say it but Tadic has betrayed the Serbian people. He lied to his people so he can stay in office. And his campaign tactics were truly dirty. I am pretty sure this is his last time as president of Serbia. Shame on you Tadic for being a puppet of the west!
Finally Tadic is starting to show some teeth here. You have to stand up to the likes of Kostunica and Sheshel who represent tyranny and self destruction. Sounds to me like Tadic will no longer roll over and let Kostunica have his “Self Destruction Plan” implemented through this government anyway. Give the Serbian people a choice and have an election ASAP. DS, LDP, G15 and minorities on the one side and Kustunica, Sheshel and former Milosevic cronies on other. Let the people decide. If they want to go with Kustunica and Sheshel, then so be it. Let’s see how that will help them. Good for Tadic to finally stand up to the bullies like Kostunica.
The key word(s): "...if offered...".
But it is not and not likely to, at least, not in a foreseeable future.
So, whom are these words directed towards?
What is going on?
"As an EU member, Serbia would have the possibility to prevent other countries from becoming members, i.e. we could prevent Kosovo from joining," Tadić underscored.
!!! GREAT IDEA !!! who in the EU will let this president sign anything than a letter to resign IMMEDIATELY? this man has jeopardized EU integration for at least a decade, Serbia!
Serbs!!! wake up.
EU is all about politics. They are trying to make you feel guilty, and accept anything.
Here in Greece we are close to middle east as far as behaviour/services are (altho i am not sure, i've never been there). We never stop at passenger crossings, we never, never,never respect any lane painted on the (few kilometers) of national highways (if they can be called that way), compassion and formality are not-existent, order is absent, law is rare, bribes in everyday life are more than common, public services is a joke, 800,000 women-slaves are "transfered" everyday from Greece, and yet
everybody and i mean everybody (USA,UK,EU,RUSSIA,CHINA,JAPAN,KOREA) loves mouzaka and ouzo and bouzouki and we are all cool, you see?
If you Serbs did all the above as we the greeks do,
i wonder, would your sky fill with bombs, or would you be a heavenly place loved by all? i really dont know.
Tadic knows very well that he can't in any way physical or political nature force the democratic Kosova to be under Serbia's rule. In this quest for dreamland you have isolated yourself and become less affluent. Did you guys an article today which talks about Balkan countries all transit points of Asian drugs coming into Europe? I say all these countries should come together to form a drug-border cooperation to destroy these thugs.
"As an EU member, Serbia would have the possibility to prevent other countries from becoming members, i.e. we could prevent Kosovo from joining," Tadić underscored.
Your Serbian president just acknowledged the existence of the country of Kosovo with this sentance. It's a small step towards the inevitable future recognition of the Republic of Kosovo by the government of the Republic of Serbia. It's a small step in the right direction, but a step nonetheless.
I think all this SAA issue thrown on the table was a part of the plan or better said the road map after UDI.
But, now Serbia is in the position to ASK, so the government should better have a viable plan to follow if they refuse SAA because as the time passes, the window of opportunity will start narrowing for Serbia. Maybe a strong politic and economic Serbia is better and more powerful than a russian friendly one.
On the issue of countries blocking each other once they are inside the EU, I do not think that any balkan country will be in the position to veto out another country in the next 20 yrs. or so.
'Most people will vote against EU membership out of spite. And if Balkan peoples are good at anything, its holding grudges and acting out of spite.'
If that is true it is something to be ashamed of. However, some of us base our decisions on the best interests of the country. Although yes there are always those that obsess with the other side, or relentlessly criticise whilst offering no alternative.
Rational thinking will win the day in the end in Serbia, despite pressure from outside and within.
"For that reason the EU has already mentioned it wanted all of the Balkans to enter together. "
Call it instinct, but assuming that Serbia wants EU and also joins EU at some stage... by that time there will be either "special rules for Serbs" or some form of EU constitutional change where perhaps they make a majority rules type vote for getting new members in the union to prevent the balkan nations with previous conflicts of vetoing each others bids.
Its very likely that other balkand nations will block each others bid for EU so I think they will have to do something "special" to allow all balkan nations in the EU. Kind of like a unique case type policy (hint hint Kosovo?). (e.g. Croatia will join EU before Serbia guaranteed, assuming Serbia wants to join, Croatia will say no, but EU will say its a special case so we will allow them entry, or even more simply... they will just bribe the Croatians, same scenario can be applied to Serbia-Albania)
"As an EU member, Serbia would have the possibility to prevent other countries from becoming members, i.e. we could prevent Kosovo from joining," Tadić underscored.
Wow, so he recognises Kosovo as an independent nation. Nice going Tadic supporters, everyone who voted for Nikolic already knew this was Tadic's mentaility but good luck convinciong the masses. What we need now is a re-election and/or a referendum ASAP. If the Serbian public has not learned anything from this or if Tadic wins in a re-election then the Serbian people are doomed for certain. The people need to decide what their priorities will be - EU or Kosovo? Parlimentary vote is NOT a referendum and hence does not reflect public opinion because the parliment is an infitesimally small portion of the population. Its the other portion of the people that need to have their voices heard.
If one of Serbia or Croatia enters before the other, they will undoubtably block entry of the other.
Serbia must make it clear there will be no entry without its territorial integrity guaranteed!
(ZK UK, 6 March 2008 19:29)
Concerning EU integration, Croatia is far ahead of Serbia - and noone of the EU member states will say to Croatia: sorry, but you have to wait for integration, until Serbia knows, what it definetively wants.
For two decades "core Serbia" is blocked by it's own politics - there has been no progress since 1999. Tadic proved this today with his words - which are much more violent than burning down an embassy - because he represents Serbia officially. But today he behaved like an hooligan on international level and showed his true face.
A MESSAGE FOR ZK UK: If Serbia keeps wasting time, it is possible that Kosovo will join the EU before Serbia. Then, Serbia will have to wait for the parliament in Pristina to ratify the Accession Treaty of Serbia to the EU.
Good comment for Serbians and the region. This is the most pro-active and determined comment since Djindjic's death. However, only intellectual elite of Serbian people will understand Tadic's line of thinking. Kosovo is independent and recognised significantly now,thus is part of history. So the only way forward is not whining but joining the EU prosperous block.
"As an EU member, Serbia would have the possibility to prevent other countries from becoming members, i.e. we could prevent Kosovo from joining," Tadić underscored.
Your Serbian president just acknowledged the existence of the country of Kosovo with this sentance. It's a small step towards the inevitable future recognition of the Republic of Kosovo by the government of the Republic of Serbia. It's a small step in the right direction, but a step nonetheless.
I'm sure the suport for the E.U. is much less now then it was before Kosovo's declaration on independence. However some people seem to think that if Serbia acts all tough and use harsh words towards the E.U. that they change their minds and that we will get Kosovo back.
The latest move by the E.U. comes as a slap in the face of Mr. Tadic and lots of pro E.U. serbs. But I am sure that Kosovo is pretty much a priority for Tadic, he just realises that the stance Kostunica and the radicals have taken won't bring Kosovo back. Cutting of ties with European countries, and urging Kosovo serbs to stay out of Kosovo's political life, is not in the best interests for Serbs in Kosovo and Serbs in the rest of Serbia. Good relationships however might help to improve the living conditions and to restore some much needed normality.
"As an EU member, Serbia would have the possibility to prevent other countries from becoming members, i.e. we could prevent Kosovo from joining," Tadić underscored.
Now this is an "extraordinary smart" idea that no-one had thought about.
So, the race is on. Whoever gets first in EU will prevent the other to enter. All K-Albanians need is find Mladic and hide him in Pristina, until Kosova is ready to join EU. Then we deliver Mladic to Hague but it will be too late because Kosova will block Serbia's entry anyway.
I can't believe Tadic could fall so low and express himself in such revengeful way as if all it matter now is to "slap K-Albanians in the face". But then again, today, serbian public is totally hypnotized and easily buys into these arguments. If this helps Tadic on his plan to join EU, then I can't blame him.
If one of Serbia or Croatia enters before the other, they will undoubtably block entry of the other.
Serbia must make it clear there will be no entry without its territorial integrity guaranteed!
(ZK UK, 6 March 2008 19:29)
Concerning EU integration, Croatia is far ahead of Serbia - and noone of the EU member states will say to Croatia: sorry, but you have to wait for integration, until Serbia knows, what it definetively wants.
For two decades "core Serbia" is blocked by it's own politics - there has been no progress since 1999. Tadic proved this today with his words - which are much more violent than burning down an embassy - because he represents Serbia officially. But today he behaved like an hooligan on international level and showed his true face.
Mr Tadic, the fundamental right in democracy is to ask people on the certain matter. Yes, in my opinion there is need for referendum as I would like to be asked on the matter of the EU integrations with or without Kosovo. But, if you are so sure that there is majority support for the EU integrations why then do you claim that there is no need for such thing? Do you fear something?
One thing I am sure, if LDP supports you then something is very wrong and stinky. Thus, referendum is necessary and perhaps new elections. You can continue with the same rhetoric as you used to it in presidential election campaign, but this time it won’t help you. Kosovo and EU integrations are two much related processes and lying people that you can provide both is not working any longer. This time even the intimidation rhetoric such as isolation blah,blah, isolation blah,blah isolation with SRS and DSS blah,blah, won’t help you. Howver, I think you know that.
Mr Tadic, you are naïve to believe that Serbs are just going to forget Kosovo and turn the page. Don’t you know that true Serbs never forget its ancestors and what they were dying for by centuries?
Finally Tadic is starting to show some teeth here. You have to stand up to the likes of Kostunica and Sheshel who represent tyranny and self destruction. Sounds to me like Tadic will no longer roll over and let Kostunica have his “Self Destruction Plan” implemented through this government anyway. Give the Serbian people a choice and have an election ASAP. DS, LDP, G15 and minorities on the one side and Kustunica, Sheshel and former Milosevic cronies on other. Let the people decide. If they want to go with Kustunica and Sheshel, then so be it. Let’s see how that will help them. Good for Tadic to finally stand up to the bullies like Kostunica.
There is a fundamental difference between any referendum that might be held now on Kosovo and the past Serbian presidential election.
The presidential election took place at a time when many Serbs still very naively believed that if they elected the U.S.-backed candidate (Tadic) they might be able to save Kosovo. That illusion is now shattered and all Serbs can see the truth. President Tadic can no longer hide the fact that Kosovo is not at all his priority and the fact that if necessary to get into the EU, Tadic would violate the Serbian constitutional provisions on Kosovo by agreeing to sign an EU membership for a "Serbia" that does not include Kosovo.
It is therefore definitely time for a change of government. That is the only way to send a clear message to the world that Serbia will never accept the theft of its territory. The EU will start to change course on Kosovo as soon as it understands that Serbia will truly stay outside the EU while the EU keeps pumping billions of euros into the non-viable illegal Albanian separatist regime in Kosovo. Sure, it will take some time for the thick-headed German overlords of the EU to get the message, but eventually even they will see the failure of their policy and back off from Serbia.
Serbia is heading toward a historic peaceful victory against the NATO empire and its quisling politicians across Europe.
Richard, it is impossible to have good relations with people who do not respect you. Serbia has tried this for the last 7+ years and every concession that the nation has made has been met with further humiliation. Serbs, desperate for a good and prosperous life have been seduced by the EU's tall tales and big promises. After February 17 it is possible that some Serbs will wake up and smell the coffee.
It is EU policy to string Serbia along for just as long as it can. The minute that Serbia convinces the EU that it will not be strung along anymore, for better or worse the EU will change its approach.
Please Serbs stop parroting the EU. The EU is soon no more, fear not, move on, choose another government, one that serves your interests and not the aggressors and let this man go back to where he came from...
In an interview for weekly Vreme, the Serbian president and the leader of the Democrats, DS, said that in the cabinet, the DS ministers "will not carry out the decisions of some new parliamentary majority", Beta news agency says.
So much for your democracy. You are showing your true colors. However, we all know that Serbs elected u to preserve KOSOVO FIRST, EU integration second. You failed.
Tadic knows very well that he can't in any way physical or political nature force the democratic Kosova to be under Serbia's rule. In this quest for dreamland you have isolated yourself and become less affluent. Did you guys an article today which talks about Balkan countries all transit points of Asian drugs coming into Europe? I say all these countries should come together to form a drug-border cooperation to destroy these thugs.
For that reason the EU has already mentioned it wanted all of the Balkans to enter together.
If one of Serbia or Croatia enters before the other, they will undoubtably block entry of the other.
This is more reason for Serbia to condition territorial integrity. It will hold up the entire Balkans and force a negotiated settlement. The alternative will be Serbia not to join and the EU could not live with that!
Serbia must make it clear there will be no entry without its territorial integrity guaranteed!
Now what are the chances the EU offers the SAA soon? I think it is highly likely seeing how things are developing.
"As an EU member, Serbia would have the possibility to prevent other countries from becoming members, i.e. we could prevent Kosovo from joining," Tadić underscored.
!!! GREAT IDEA !!! who in the EU will let this president sign anything than a letter to resign IMMEDIATELY? this man has jeopardized EU integration for at least a decade, Serbia!
i would transfer warren buffet's billions to my bank account today.
... if offered.
:)
let's see who gets there first, tadic to saa or me to warren's billions. any bets?
The key word(s): "...if offered...".
But it is not and not likely to, at least, not in a foreseeable future.
So, whom are these words directed towards?
What is going on?
I hate to say it but Tadic has betrayed the Serbian people. He lied to his people so he can stay in office. And his campaign tactics were truly dirty. I am pretty sure this is his last time as president of Serbia. Shame on you Tadic for being a puppet of the west!
"As an EU member, Serbia would have the possibility to prevent other countries from becoming members, i.e. we could prevent Kosovo from joining," Tadić underscored.
Wow, so he recognises Kosovo as an independent nation. Nice going Tadic supporters, everyone who voted for Nikolic already knew this was Tadic's mentaility but good luck convinciong the masses. What we need now is a re-election and/or a referendum ASAP. If the Serbian public has not learned anything from this or if Tadic wins in a re-election then the Serbian people are doomed for certain. The people need to decide what their priorities will be - EU or Kosovo? Parlimentary vote is NOT a referendum and hence does not reflect public opinion because the parliment is an infitesimally small portion of the population. Its the other portion of the people that need to have their voices heard.
I think all this SAA issue thrown on the table was a part of the plan or better said the road map after UDI.
But, now Serbia is in the position to ASK, so the government should better have a viable plan to follow if they refuse SAA because as the time passes, the window of opportunity will start narrowing for Serbia. Maybe a strong politic and economic Serbia is better and more powerful than a russian friendly one.
On the issue of countries blocking each other once they are inside the EU, I do not think that any balkan country will be in the position to veto out another country in the next 20 yrs. or so.
Every EU state has the right to veto the entry of any candidate.
Slovenia can veto Croatia unless it concedes that piece of land it wants and the fishing zone is removed.
Greece can veto "Makedonija" if it doesn't have an acceptable name.
Serbia would veto Croatia until all of the ethnically cleaned refugees return and given their houses back. Also, some form of autonomy granted to them.
I doubt very much that Serbia would permit any country to join that has recognised Kosovo. Albania better hope Serbia doesn't join before it.
The veto is there for all members.
I would be quite happy if Serbia didn't join the EU. I think it will do much better out of it.
The world is moving East and the West needs to unite if it is to have any chance of survival.
With the US and EU at 100% productive capacity, China only needs to reach 61% to match it! With the US at 100% capacity, China only needs to reach 23%.
This isnt about getting Kosovo back, Europe has turned its back against Serbia, they have vioated international law to punish Serbs and now expect us all to live together happily. Most people will vote against EU membership out of spite. And if Balkan peoples are good at anything, its holding grudges and acting out of spite.
'Most people will vote against EU membership out of spite. And if Balkan peoples are good at anything, its holding grudges and acting out of spite.'
If that is true it is something to be ashamed of. However, some of us base our decisions on the best interests of the country. Although yes there are always those that obsess with the other side, or relentlessly criticise whilst offering no alternative.
Rational thinking will win the day in the end in Serbia, despite pressure from outside and within.
"For that reason the EU has already mentioned it wanted all of the Balkans to enter together. "
Call it instinct, but assuming that Serbia wants EU and also joins EU at some stage... by that time there will be either "special rules for Serbs" or some form of EU constitutional change where perhaps they make a majority rules type vote for getting new members in the union to prevent the balkan nations with previous conflicts of vetoing each others bids.
Its very likely that other balkand nations will block each others bid for EU so I think they will have to do something "special" to allow all balkan nations in the EU. Kind of like a unique case type policy (hint hint Kosovo?). (e.g. Croatia will join EU before Serbia guaranteed, assuming Serbia wants to join, Croatia will say no, but EU will say its a special case so we will allow them entry, or even more simply... they will just bribe the Croatians, same scenario can be applied to Serbia-Albania)
A MESSAGE FOR ZK UK: If Serbia keeps wasting time, it is possible that Kosovo will join the EU before Serbia. Then, Serbia will have to wait for the parliament in Pristina to ratify the Accession Treaty of Serbia to the EU.
Serbs!!! wake up.
EU is all about politics. They are trying to make you feel guilty, and accept anything.
Here in Greece we are close to middle east as far as behaviour/services are (altho i am not sure, i've never been there). We never stop at passenger crossings, we never, never,never respect any lane painted on the (few kilometers) of national highways (if they can be called that way), compassion and formality are not-existent, order is absent, law is rare, bribes in everyday life are more than common, public services is a joke, 800,000 women-slaves are "transfered" everyday from Greece, and yet
everybody and i mean everybody (USA,UK,EU,RUSSIA,CHINA,JAPAN,KOREA) loves mouzaka and ouzo and bouzouki and we are all cool, you see?
If you Serbs did all the above as we the greeks do,
i wonder, would your sky fill with bombs, or would you be a heavenly place loved by all? i really dont know.
Good comment for Serbians and the region. This is the most pro-active and determined comment since Djindjic's death. However, only intellectual elite of Serbian people will understand Tadic's line of thinking. Kosovo is independent and recognised significantly now,thus is part of history. So the only way forward is not whining but joining the EU prosperous block.
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