Macedonia: Priština's ultimatum "bodes ill"

ok.. serbia, check, macedonia, almost check, waiting for montenegro to report... then we can sit back and watch albanians suffer the fate of the taleban as far as the u.s. foreign policy is concerned. these things unfortunately happen. we serbs have warned and continue to warn about it.

“….Albanians are their best friends…”

Yeah, right, as friendly Ahmed nicely putted it above:

“… we'll make sure that Illyria will be resurrected… “

Poor FYROM with their friendly Albanian minority and even friendlier US “diplomats”.

hey albo, you talk a lot of smack because of this independence, and you feel like you're flying high right? I'm familiar with albanians fighting 20-1 and never 1-1. Who are you to talk to Macedonians that way? My friend, the 1.2 million Macedonians are surrounded by 6 million Albanians, its not rocket science that you could destroy Macedonia. Just don't forget one thing, Serbia and Bulgaria will never allow that. So count up how millions in those sister countries and then do your math:) So keep on talking, just keep it up. Like my mom says, 'all those who fly with their noses up sooner or later fall flat on their noses'. So tell your American Albanian diaspora to keep pouring in millions to these US politicans, because as soon as the U.S gets weak (like every past empire)you guys will be defeated courtesy of us!

This is great, so Kosovo's two biggest trade partners (Serbia, who will never recognize Kosovo, and Macedonia, who is now being threatened by Kosovo who it has not recognized) are either against or in a stage where they are uncertain of recognizing Kosovo unless conditions are met? Kosovo is going to fall on its backside even harder if it now spoils relations with Macedonia as well! The Kosovo government is in no position to threaten anyone, as far as Macedonia is concerned, Kosovo does not exist as anything than a province of Serbia. Until Kosovo becomes a UN state, it means nothing to anyone who has not recognized it.

Macedonian Government is starting to rub the Albanians the wrong way. Do they not know that the Albanian parties can bring this government down at any time by withdrawing their support? What will they do then? Start another war and promptly loose it? Keep in mind that the U.S diplomat has told the Macedonian authorities to “not set conditions” to recognize Kosovo. With all these problems, it doesn’t look like Macedonia is going to join NATO or EU anytime soon. They have problems with every one of their neighbors. Greek is bad, Bulgaria is bad, Albanian is bad and now Kosovo? I am just saying, maybe they are the problem? The trend speaks for itself. Have they thought about that? Macedonia is not in any position to blackmail any of if her neighbors and let alone Kosovo. Or perhaps this is all for internal consumption? Parliamentary election anytime soon? Anybody?

I just have to say that since the UDI of Kosovo Albanians the animosity and hatred has intensified amongst all parties. So far the Albanians are fueding with the Serbs, Macedonians, Bulgarians and Greeks. The Serbs are now going toretaliate against the Slovenians and pretty soon with the Croations. The Croations are fueding with the Italians and Slovenians. Macedonians are fueding with the Greeks. Greece in quitely fueding with the Albanaians.If seems to me that the USA have been very successful in breaking up what was once a very strong Country that was a threat to other Eurpoeans. Yugoslavia is now nothing but a broken puzzle and the rest of the world is laughing at all of the remaining separated States. Why is it the rest of the Countries in the World are promoting solidarity in their nations but are forcing separatism
in the fromer Yugoslavia.
They have completed in eleminating what was once a strong financial, milatarial and political Yugoslavia as a threat!!!!

Slobodan gave you that 10k hectars as a gift to your new country in 2001..that is null and void. These borders have been in place at least since 1974. will not accept threats to back down to our territorial integrity, we are sovereign.

Well Branko you can call yourself anything you want but we're Albanians, we feel Albanians and we'll make sure tha Illyria will be resurected sooner rather than later.

The ultimatum was given by FYROM, not by Kosovo. FYROM said to Kosovo "we will recognize but you must agree with the deal we made with Slobo first." Kosovo will not be blackmailed like that. No reason to.

FYROM is in no position to blackmail anybody. Its name is owned by Greece, its language by Bulgaria, and its political culture is close to that of Serbia, which is a pretty sorry state of affairs. FYROM owes its existence to the goodwill of the international powers and they better uderstand that Albanians are their best friends. They ought not to be playing games.

"Slobodan gave you that 10k hectars as a gift to your new country in 2001.."

Milosevic was out of power in 2000 and Macedonia was 10 years old as a country in 2001.

This is arrogance from Pristina. They will have to learn that MFN status has ceased with US recognition of Kosovo.

Kosovo Albanians frequently say that for Serbs Kosovo is only about land. Excuse me but now that Kosovo Albanians have been granted a state they are complaining about a few metres of land?

Balkan update but you know as well as I do the Albanian parties in Macedonia are at each others throats. Each one is looking to be in power whilst the other one opposes hoping to swap positions.

The Albanian posters reveal with every post that they write from the level of emotion and nothing deeper!! If you think Macedonia will roll over for Albanian demands you all have another think coming!

BTW We haven't "lost" the "name dispute" with greece; if greece vetoes Macedonia's Euro Atlantic integrations, we are no longer bound by the interim agreement! Have a nice day!

KS, how do you suppose Milosevic gave Macedonia land when he was imprisoned i Hague? Macedonia should not give in to these disgusting threats. Albanians only understand one language, hard talk. Talk the talk and preserve Macedonias territorial integrity. Don't give Thaci a meter!

Now I would suggest that the 40 % of the population of FYROM go out there and show the teeth of Albanians again to Mr. FYROM President and how irresponsible he is towards his speeches.

Kosovo is in no position to blackmail. Serbia will cut trade and if Macedonia is threatened, it can cut trade. Macedonia will soon be Kosovo's number 1 trade partner. Albanians will not get away with another war.

"ok.. serbia, check, macedonia, almost check, waiting for montenegro to report... then we can sit back and watch albanians suffer the fate of the taleban as far as the u.s. foreign policy is concerned."

Don't count on it.

It's only logical that you have to recognize a state before starting negotiations of this nature with it.
That's what Kosova's government is saying. Macedonia is trying to flush out pesky profits in return for recognition. Otherwise, why didn't Macedonia have solved the dispute during the past 9 years?

Kosovars are again making the mistake, thinking that we are serbs and that the americans are their friends. Do not be fooled. We are not serbs, and America will choose macedonia over kosovo ANY day.

I thought he was caught in 2001? Anyways I looked it up, the agreement between Slobo and Macedonia which resulted in that free 10k which is Kosova's territory is called "2000 Macedonia-Serbia and Montenegro delimitation agreement". Kosova DOES NOT accept this agreement because it is illegal.

I'm just wondering, you Serbs kept talking about an embargo? Why haven't you started? Is it because you would lose 200million Euro a year?

"we are sovereign.
(KS, 5 March 2008 19:18)"

I think that this boy just doesn´t know what sovereignty means... :)

you will never be sovereign. you are not sovereign now, and you won´t be sovereign even when the US-occupiers leave.

so, don´t fool yourself, right now you are living on serbian territory occupied by a bunch of nato-countries, but that´s nothing for eternity.

FYROM is causing troubles to themselves. If you sign an agreement with Belgrade over Kosova/o while fully well knowing that since 1999 Belgrade had no control whatsoever over Kosova/o, then of course you're gonna make those people in Kosova/o who live in those areas and are affected by such a deal very angry. Of course then, they are gonna be backed by the rest of the people. It is very dumb of Macedonia to think that Kosova/o is gonna need Macedonia's recognition so much, so that it could completely disregard what others had done on Kosova/o's behalf. We needed recognition from world powers and whoever else wants to recognize us, but if FYROM doesn't recognize us, it is even less important than if Cyprus or Slovakia recognizes us. FYROM is playing a dangerous game here. It could win it, or it could be burned badly also. FYROM is playing it bad in foreign policy. Bad relations with Greece, bad relations with Bulgaria, and now if this blackmailing goes on, bad relations with Kosova/o which also brings bad relations with Albania. If they continue down that road they are going to join the Russian Federation with Serbia at the same time.

P.S
To our FYROMIAN poster here, FYROM uses the ports of Albania free of charge.

It is MACEDONIA, my dear friends and naighbours… I know it is a big word, bu try it…

This is no surprise. I an an ex-pat (from UK) living in Macedonia. This is just the start of the same process that the Albanians practiced over the border in Kosovo. Remember that due to the pressure from the IC, Macedonia IS FORCED to have Albanians in the government, despite the fact that they are inept at their job, have no experience, and are just as corrupt and linked to organised crime as their counterparts in Kosovo.

Tough talk is ALL that the Albanians understand. By pushing the Orhid agreement on Macedonia, the IC actually reaffirmed their desire to actually give in to terrorism.

No to the border.

And about the name, there will be no change. The young in this country are beginning to be radicalised at last, as they see that their government will/can do nothing. Witness the recent attacks and protests outside the Greek embassy in Skopje. The Greeks are afraid on only one thing, that the Macedonians that the Greeks pushed out of Northern Greece will want either their land/homes back, or reparation. THAT is the only story about 'Macedonia', nothing else.

Like every other country here, the Greeks are no better than that.

It quite stupid to count on the bad relations of Macedonians with Greeks, Serbs and Bulgarians.
These are only minor disputes compared to the disputes with Albania in the past 100 years.

It is also quite naive to count on the US support forever, since they inhabitate a diffrent continent.

"It is MACEDONIA, my dear friends and naighbours… I know it is a big word, bu try it…
(Nikola, 6 March 2008 09:00) "

We know for sure the real Macedonians were not slavs. Slavs hadn't made it into the Balkans when real Macedonia existed. That we know for sure. I am not sure Macedonia was Greek either since the Greeks themselves referred to its inhabitants as barbars. So all this name clash is just plain stupid. It is only done so that Greece is not forced into recognizing a minority in Greece. However since FYROM is not a country which in the past has had a great respect for minorities, it can now taste what it is like.

P.S To our FYROMIANS here. Albanians make up 25% of your coutry. If we are not represented in the institutions in FYROM, the country would be in big trouble. It all goes to back to " Taxation without representation"

If you wanna tax me and have my money then you better have someone in your institutions who I have voted for represent me.

Slobodan gave you that 10k hectars as a gift to your new country in 2001..that is null and void. These borders have been in place at least since 1974. will not accept threats to back down to our territorial integrity, we are sovereign.

Macedonian Government is starting to rub the Albanians the wrong way. Do they not know that the Albanian parties can bring this government down at any time by withdrawing their support? What will they do then? Start another war and promptly loose it? Keep in mind that the U.S diplomat has told the Macedonian authorities to “not set conditions” to recognize Kosovo. With all these problems, it doesn’t look like Macedonia is going to join NATO or EU anytime soon. They have problems with every one of their neighbors. Greek is bad, Bulgaria is bad, Albanian is bad and now Kosovo? I am just saying, maybe they are the problem? The trend speaks for itself. Have they thought about that? Macedonia is not in any position to blackmail any of if her neighbors and let alone Kosovo. Or perhaps this is all for internal consumption? Parliamentary election anytime soon? Anybody?

The ultimatum was given by FYROM, not by Kosovo. FYROM said to Kosovo "we will recognize but you must agree with the deal we made with Slobo first." Kosovo will not be blackmailed like that. No reason to.

FYROM is in no position to blackmail anybody. Its name is owned by Greece, its language by Bulgaria, and its political culture is close to that of Serbia, which is a pretty sorry state of affairs. FYROM owes its existence to the goodwill of the international powers and they better uderstand that Albanians are their best friends. They ought not to be playing games.

Now I would suggest that the 40 % of the population of FYROM go out there and show the teeth of Albanians again to Mr. FYROM President and how irresponsible he is towards his speeches.

"ok.. serbia, check, macedonia, almost check, waiting for montenegro to report... then we can sit back and watch albanians suffer the fate of the taleban as far as the u.s. foreign policy is concerned."

Don't count on it.

It's only logical that you have to recognize a state before starting negotiations of this nature with it.
That's what Kosova's government is saying. Macedonia is trying to flush out pesky profits in return for recognition. Otherwise, why didn't Macedonia have solved the dispute during the past 9 years?

Well Branko you can call yourself anything you want but we're Albanians, we feel Albanians and we'll make sure tha Illyria will be resurected sooner rather than later.

FYROM is causing troubles to themselves. If you sign an agreement with Belgrade over Kosova/o while fully well knowing that since 1999 Belgrade had no control whatsoever over Kosova/o, then of course you're gonna make those people in Kosova/o who live in those areas and are affected by such a deal very angry. Of course then, they are gonna be backed by the rest of the people. It is very dumb of Macedonia to think that Kosova/o is gonna need Macedonia's recognition so much, so that it could completely disregard what others had done on Kosova/o's behalf. We needed recognition from world powers and whoever else wants to recognize us, but if FYROM doesn't recognize us, it is even less important than if Cyprus or Slovakia recognizes us. FYROM is playing a dangerous game here. It could win it, or it could be burned badly also. FYROM is playing it bad in foreign policy. Bad relations with Greece, bad relations with Bulgaria, and now if this blackmailing goes on, bad relations with Kosova/o which also brings bad relations with Albania. If they continue down that road they are going to join the Russian Federation with Serbia at the same time.

P.S
To our FYROMIAN poster here, FYROM uses the ports of Albania free of charge.

I thought he was caught in 2001? Anyways I looked it up, the agreement between Slobo and Macedonia which resulted in that free 10k which is Kosova's territory is called "2000 Macedonia-Serbia and Montenegro delimitation agreement". Kosova DOES NOT accept this agreement because it is illegal.

I'm just wondering, you Serbs kept talking about an embargo? Why haven't you started? Is it because you would lose 200million Euro a year?

Kosovars are again making the mistake, thinking that we are serbs and that the americans are their friends. Do not be fooled. We are not serbs, and America will choose macedonia over kosovo ANY day.

ok.. serbia, check, macedonia, almost check, waiting for montenegro to report... then we can sit back and watch albanians suffer the fate of the taleban as far as the u.s. foreign policy is concerned. these things unfortunately happen. we serbs have warned and continue to warn about it.

KS, how do you suppose Milosevic gave Macedonia land when he was imprisoned i Hague? Macedonia should not give in to these disgusting threats. Albanians only understand one language, hard talk. Talk the talk and preserve Macedonias territorial integrity. Don't give Thaci a meter!

“….Albanians are their best friends…”

Yeah, right, as friendly Ahmed nicely putted it above:

“… we'll make sure that Illyria will be resurrected… “

Poor FYROM with their friendly Albanian minority and even friendlier US “diplomats”.

hey albo, you talk a lot of smack because of this independence, and you feel like you're flying high right? I'm familiar with albanians fighting 20-1 and never 1-1. Who are you to talk to Macedonians that way? My friend, the 1.2 million Macedonians are surrounded by 6 million Albanians, its not rocket science that you could destroy Macedonia. Just don't forget one thing, Serbia and Bulgaria will never allow that. So count up how millions in those sister countries and then do your math:) So keep on talking, just keep it up. Like my mom says, 'all those who fly with their noses up sooner or later fall flat on their noses'. So tell your American Albanian diaspora to keep pouring in millions to these US politicans, because as soon as the U.S gets weak (like every past empire)you guys will be defeated courtesy of us!

"Slobodan gave you that 10k hectars as a gift to your new country in 2001.."

Milosevic was out of power in 2000 and Macedonia was 10 years old as a country in 2001.

Kosovo is in no position to blackmail. Serbia will cut trade and if Macedonia is threatened, it can cut trade. Macedonia will soon be Kosovo's number 1 trade partner. Albanians will not get away with another war.

This is arrogance from Pristina. They will have to learn that MFN status has ceased with US recognition of Kosovo.

Kosovo Albanians frequently say that for Serbs Kosovo is only about land. Excuse me but now that Kosovo Albanians have been granted a state they are complaining about a few metres of land?

Balkan update but you know as well as I do the Albanian parties in Macedonia are at each others throats. Each one is looking to be in power whilst the other one opposes hoping to swap positions.

I just have to say that since the UDI of Kosovo Albanians the animosity and hatred has intensified amongst all parties. So far the Albanians are fueding with the Serbs, Macedonians, Bulgarians and Greeks. The Serbs are now going toretaliate against the Slovenians and pretty soon with the Croations. The Croations are fueding with the Italians and Slovenians. Macedonians are fueding with the Greeks. Greece in quitely fueding with the Albanaians.If seems to me that the USA have been very successful in breaking up what was once a very strong Country that was a threat to other Eurpoeans. Yugoslavia is now nothing but a broken puzzle and the rest of the world is laughing at all of the remaining separated States. Why is it the rest of the Countries in the World are promoting solidarity in their nations but are forcing separatism
in the fromer Yugoslavia.
They have completed in eleminating what was once a strong financial, milatarial and political Yugoslavia as a threat!!!!

The Albanian posters reveal with every post that they write from the level of emotion and nothing deeper!! If you think Macedonia will roll over for Albanian demands you all have another think coming!

BTW We haven't "lost" the "name dispute" with greece; if greece vetoes Macedonia's Euro Atlantic integrations, we are no longer bound by the interim agreement! Have a nice day!

It is MACEDONIA, my dear friends and naighbours… I know it is a big word, bu try it…

This is no surprise. I an an ex-pat (from UK) living in Macedonia. This is just the start of the same process that the Albanians practiced over the border in Kosovo. Remember that due to the pressure from the IC, Macedonia IS FORCED to have Albanians in the government, despite the fact that they are inept at their job, have no experience, and are just as corrupt and linked to organised crime as their counterparts in Kosovo.

Tough talk is ALL that the Albanians understand. By pushing the Orhid agreement on Macedonia, the IC actually reaffirmed their desire to actually give in to terrorism.

No to the border.

And about the name, there will be no change. The young in this country are beginning to be radicalised at last, as they see that their government will/can do nothing. Witness the recent attacks and protests outside the Greek embassy in Skopje. The Greeks are afraid on only one thing, that the Macedonians that the Greeks pushed out of Northern Greece will want either their land/homes back, or reparation. THAT is the only story about 'Macedonia', nothing else.

Like every other country here, the Greeks are no better than that.

This is great, so Kosovo's two biggest trade partners (Serbia, who will never recognize Kosovo, and Macedonia, who is now being threatened by Kosovo who it has not recognized) are either against or in a stage where they are uncertain of recognizing Kosovo unless conditions are met? Kosovo is going to fall on its backside even harder if it now spoils relations with Macedonia as well! The Kosovo government is in no position to threaten anyone, as far as Macedonia is concerned, Kosovo does not exist as anything than a province of Serbia. Until Kosovo becomes a UN state, it means nothing to anyone who has not recognized it.

"we are sovereign.
(KS, 5 March 2008 19:18)"

I think that this boy just doesn´t know what sovereignty means... :)

you will never be sovereign. you are not sovereign now, and you won´t be sovereign even when the US-occupiers leave.

so, don´t fool yourself, right now you are living on serbian territory occupied by a bunch of nato-countries, but that´s nothing for eternity.

"It is MACEDONIA, my dear friends and naighbours… I know it is a big word, bu try it…
(Nikola, 6 March 2008 09:00) "

We know for sure the real Macedonians were not slavs. Slavs hadn't made it into the Balkans when real Macedonia existed. That we know for sure. I am not sure Macedonia was Greek either since the Greeks themselves referred to its inhabitants as barbars. So all this name clash is just plain stupid. It is only done so that Greece is not forced into recognizing a minority in Greece. However since FYROM is not a country which in the past has had a great respect for minorities, it can now taste what it is like.

P.S To our FYROMIANS here. Albanians make up 25% of your coutry. If we are not represented in the institutions in FYROM, the country would be in big trouble. It all goes to back to " Taxation without representation"

If you wanna tax me and have my money then you better have someone in your institutions who I have voted for represent me.

It quite stupid to count on the bad relations of Macedonians with Greeks, Serbs and Bulgarians.
These are only minor disputes compared to the disputes with Albania in the past 100 years.

It is also quite naive to count on the US support forever, since they inhabitate a diffrent continent.