Serbian Railways takes over in Kosovo

Artan,
then you and your UDI supporters are wrong given that only 20 Countries around the world have recognized Kosovo's UDI. That means that 80% perecent of the World does not agree with your point of view.

"We are restoring our control over (this line) after a period of nine years," said Branislav Ristivojevic, a senior adviser to Prime Minister Vojislav Kostunica and chairman of Serbia's state-owned railroad company.
Excellent move! The rail workers will not work for the fake and illegal state of Kosovo, but will work for and be paid by the Serbian state owned rail company.
I look forward to the Serbian government implementing more of its action plan.
Cheers!

Only Serbia and the UN have authority in Kosovo.

NATO exists in Kosovo as agents of the UN (UNMIK). They must do as the UN demands, not as the US or EU demands.

If US and EU troops in UNMIK are unable to perform their tasks then they will be replaced by UN troops from countries that will enforce the UN mandate.

The simple truth is that this Kosovo “recognition” process is merely a bluff. Nothing has changed. The UN (through UNMIK) still governs Kosovo.

Of course things might be different if the US and EU forcibly pushed the UN out. If that happened the world would become a very dangerous place and I would start hoarding food and water just in case.

Olf & Artan:

Your concern is touching.. not to worry - serbs will take care of their own :)

Also good luck with the basket-case that you guys call an economy.


Bad Gorilla:

Keep telling you guys. Kosovo is not independent.

As for defacto partition. Is already in effect & getting stronger every day.


Pejoni:

'Join our free & democratic society or else'.

Interesting motto.

Former unemployed member of KLA looking for work perhaps?

With about 20 countries recognising Kosovo out of about 200, that means only 90% currently support Serbia. Just a correction for "another Canadian Serb".

Also a note to some Albanians, NATO has NOT recognised Kosovo independence.

1. I wonder what is the end result of this?
2. I wonder by December 2008 are the same people again going to do this and if Serbia can continue paying them wages for nothing?
Serbian government data tells that supporting one municipality in Kosova costs 7 times more than supporting one in Serbia.
I wonder how long can Serbs in Serbia proper take this?

Awesome news! But not just in the north - Serbia needs to re-take control of entire Serbian KiM railway.

The only people suffering from this act are Kosovo's Serbs.

Good luck on your next stage of self-isolation.

There is a good old story that has been told to me by my grandfather here it goes; If one man says to you that your wrong, don't worry, but if you have two people saying that, than you need to consider the option. Ps: hopefuly my message got through.

Bad gorila, how do you know that Serbia doesn't have its military in the North already, undercover that is. Pejoni, your Pristina's force will be met by Serbian force. Look, the KPS was ran out by protester,s. Like it or not the North is inching it's self away from your illegal quazi state everyday. It's a mater of time before Pristina has to cut the North off it's flag. Get used to this.

It's closer to 90% of the world that does not acknowledge K-Albanians UDI. Why in the world would Serbia support the stealing of it's land? Are the Albanian posters here dreaming, thinking that the Serbs would roll over and give you Kosovo as a token of friendship? K-Albans have only just made the first move with their aggressive gesture, the game is far, far from over.

Kosovo's status is a terrible mess. Part of the world recognizes it as a Serbian province, and part of the world recognizes it as an independent country.

The status issue is just a distraction from the real truth that Kosovo is a colony. NATO are the ones in charge, not the Albanians the not UN or anybody else. NATO has the guns and the boots on the ground -- NATO controls the territory.

When the euphoria of declaring independence wares off the Albanians will find themselves without any jobs in a NATO colony that isn't really "independent".

Western powers have a long history of establishing colonies around the world. We rob the colony of its resources and once we've taken everything we can take we leave the natives to fend for themselves. If the natives get uppity and challenge our authority we kill them.

I'm amazed that the Albanians think that anybody in the West wants to help them. The kill ratio in the Kosovo war was 2.5 Albanian deaths for every one Serb killed. No serious person in the West was morally outraged by that. In Israel four Palestinians die for every one Israeli and in Iraq and Afghanistan we're killing 100 of the enemy for every one our ours, by comparison Milosevic was being nice to the Albanians.

I'm a 30 year old American. During my lifetime I've seen my country support Saddam Hussein, Manuel Noriega, and even Osama bin Laden when it suited our purposes.

Friendship and alliance change really fast and I don't see this friendship with the Albanians lasting.

Why do people keep going on about 20% have recognised and so on? It doesn't matter - this isn't an election.

Kosovo is still Serbia, and those who think that the independence claim means too much shouldn't get too comfortable.

They have put up a tent in someone else's house.

Finally, Serbia is behaving like a state.

Kostunica and Nikolic people can order and do what they want, but while all of Kosovo is controlled by NATO soldiers, there will be no Kosovo partition. There can be protests, some bombs, lockouts by the nationalist Serbs, but as long as there is no Serb and no Russian troops in Kosovo, they can do practically nothing to really change the situation on the ground.

The West must be tough to preserve the independence and integrity of Kosovo.

Blerim, reality is that south of the Ibar is under Pristina's control, the North is under Belgrade's control and some of the Serb enclaves in the south. Reality is that Nato is the only reason the Albanians have any control of the south. Reality is that when Nato ceases to exist in the future so does "kosova"
"dardania" "mini illyria" what ever Albanian camp calls it these days. God help the Serbs in the south, but the North, well, the Serbs are ready for Pejoni's answer to his problem in the North. We (the Serbs) Have 1244 still, but reality is for now Serbia's (controled territory) border is at the Ibar river. For now. So as long as Nato has Pristina's back your little qusi state is there. But today's friend is tommorow's enemy. That's the reality of it Blerim. So enjoy it while it last's my friend, because the Turks couldn't even keep Kosovo away from Serbia forever. Kosovo is Serbia!!!

Everyday we hear how things get out of control and starts to look much as a outlaw region in the northern part. It will come a day soon when the Kosovar government will say enough is enough, and will take everything back even if it means by force to let it function as a free and democratic state.

KS,
yes! there is a terrorist act in motion against the State of Serbia. It is being lead by the USA and followed by Albania and its Allies. All acts of terrorism should be abolished from Serbia immediately.

Blerim in response to
do not understand how a Serbian person living in Canada can speak without having a clue about the reality in Kosova?!!! As for recognition, it is not a big deal, it started with one and reached over 20, whereas it still continues...
-Finally, you should realize that the only and best solution for K-Serbs is to integrate into the Kosova Institutions.

Regards,
(Blerim, 3 March 2008 15:55)
I have visited Kosovo many times and i have many family members that live in Belgrade. But at least i have seen and do have ties whereas all the Countries that recognized the illegal UDI have no CLUE of what they are supporting. By the way these same countries are backing the USA and not Kosovo. Also, the Serbians are already segrated from the Albanians care of the USA.

KS,

Get your facts straight! Norway is not a member of the EU.

As mentioned before, just because you CLAIM independence, doesn't mean you'll get it!

With regard to the railway situation, it won't be anyone's due to the fact that there are conflicts all about so just toss in the white flag of surrender.

No more dancing in the streets of celebration?

Just a corection for our friend Olf.

The Serbian economy (GDP) grows on average 6-7% a year which is the highest in Europe currently. Slow progress in the last 20 years? Understandable since the transition from a planned economy to a open one is rather bumpy, especially if a former federation completely falls apart, if your under sanctions for a decade, if your property robbed right out from under you, if your entire industry is bombed from 30 000 feet, I could go on and on. And yet Serbia is still 15 years ahead of Albania, the 2nd poorest country in Europe. So whats your excuse? pathetic really...

And yet you have the nerve to speak about Kosovo's success? I bet your entire hand is set on those very important countries completely funding Kosovo for the next 50 years...*sigh* man are you in for a surprise...

Why are they taking the control right now! Where have they been in those last 9 years - This latest move shows that the Serb Government does not even care about the Serbs in Kosovo, much less about Albanians there. All they care about is the territory of a "sacred value" of Kosovo! This is the reason why the Serbs never had Kosovo, and will never really have it! Who cares, where the territory really belongs to.

I do not understand how a Serbian person living in Canada can speak without having a clue about the reality in Kosova?!!! As for recognition, it is not a big deal, it started with one and reached over 20, whereas it still continues...
-Finally, you should realize that the only and best solution for K-Serbs is to integrate into the Kosova Institutions.

Regards,

To: Another Canadian Serb.

Given the fact that EU countries, and US(= current world powers), have recognised us means a lot. Nevertheless, if you remember, Croat state was recognised only 2 weeks after the UDI, in Kosovo’s Sui Generis case, I think we all agree that it was not a UDI, it was more of a CDI. Its still not a month since the CDI, be patient, there are lots of countries that are willing to recognise us ( you will see).

In the end, Sovereign States are entitled to recognise Sovereign States, sooner the better.
I guess the FROG principle… would best apply for the Sui Generis case of Kosovo, I guess You know what I am talking about.

What they did is that they blocked Serbs living in central part of Kosovo. This shows how much Serbian Government is interested for Monasteries and Churches. BTW, the locomotives belong to Kosovo Railways, since they were donated by Swedish Government. Serbs took "the old ones" after retriving from Kosovo in 1999.

ZK,


There are 192 UN recognized countries. Kosova is currently recognized by 22 of those 192 UN countries and a few that are unrecognized ROC Taiwan, Turkish Cyprus, etc.

Coming up soon (March 5-8) another 4 important EU countries will recognize us. Would you like me to name them? Norway, Sweden, Finland, and Slovenia.

Another clear sign that Serbia is looking for partition of Kosovo.

Brian's comment (no.32) is one of the most perceptive ever seen on this sad little comment board, which seems to have become a place for Albanians to jeer at Serbs.

I trust the Albanians will finally grasp what this "quasi-state" (amazingly still called "Kosovo"...I wonder why that is, hmmm?)really is and what they really are - NATO vassals in a NATO state.

You were truly far better off under the Serbs.

OK, here is the truth and the truth and again the truth of this. This has (almost) nothing to do with recognizing Kosovo or not.

KOSOVO RAILWAY IS LEGALLY SERBIAN RAILWAY - as long as UIC says so. Who is UIC? Here they are: http://www.uic.asso.fr/ And UIC well... does not want Kosovo Railway as member. So far, all the attempts of Kosovo railways to enter international railway organizations failed. According UIC, Kosovo Rail is bogus.

http://www.serbianrailways.com/system/en/home/newsplus/viewsingle/_params/newsplus_news_id/9940.html

Will it change? Not sure. Here politicians do no have much things to say, rather how far a railway or an organization is fit to do. If there is a dispute or controversy, the things are unlikely. Bush and his transport-clown Norman Y. Marionetta, I mean, sorry, Norman Y. Mineta are currently busy trying to destroy Amtrak, Kosovo Rail is out of their scope of interest.

Even if all USA, UK, Russia, Germany, China, Cyprus may recognize Kosovo as independent Republic, and later Kosovo wold become 51th State of USA - it's one thing. UIC, the international Railway organization and railway tariff is an other thing.

That's just the beginning, a UIC membership alone is good - but not enough. For moving international passengers within Europe you have to also belong to few other organizations. Let's see a much more mature organization, HSH, Hekurudha Sqiptare, http://www.hsh.com.al/

At first, it looks fine. HSH is member of UIC. HSH is not a member of CIV, they have no TCV international tariff. At first, it's not a big deal either. Ukraine or Russia is not a member of CIV and they can't issue international TCV ("white envelope") tickets. Instead, they can issue precisely the same tickets in "red" СМПС envelope. "Big" deal.. But they can, they are part of UIC and ОСЖД http://osjd.jdvm.cz organization.

That is good. Fortunately, HSH is within ОСЖД. Here is the proof: http://bestpravo.ru/fed1999/data05/tex19737.htm

You would think, it looks everything is fine with Albania, they should use "red" envelopes like these:
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/lt/ticket/LG_Vilnius_Warszawa_cover.jpg
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/ua/ticket/01_144.jpg
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/ne/Mongolia/ticket/05_503a.jpg

not white like these:

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/sp/ticket/JZ_CIV_Beograd_Ljubljana_01.jpg

and if going "West" the "MC" characters will be crossed over:

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/ru/ticket%2Btimetable/RZD_Irkutsk_Maribor_1stpage.jpg

Right? Not a big deal?

It is a big deal, because UNLIKE MONGOLIAN OR NORTH KOREAN RAILWAY (!!!) the Albanian HSH failed to comply with ОСЖД, did not pay for membership, does not have means/money to send it's representatives to meetings (here ОСЖД associate members like French, German, Serbian Railway do!) and... run out of ticket formulars.
Yes, they (HSH) RUN OUT OF EMPTY TICKETS. It's like if you go to the railway station in Belgrade, ask for Belgrade-Zagreb ticket and you will be told "sorry, no ticket - we have no paper to write the tickets on". This sounds like a joke - but it's the truth: HSH of Albania failed to prolong their ОСЖД membership properly. You can't buy any international ticket, "red" (СМПС ) or "white" (CIV) in Albania anymore. Before they did run out, you could buy "red" (СМПС ones), but that time is over.

Here is the proof: http://www.uz.gov.ua/ci/org/osjd/membership.html

The fact, Albania does not have passenger connection to other countries would not prevent it: USA has no trains running to Europe, but you can buy "white" CIV tickets in USA. And while there is no Vietnamese train running between Kiev and Minsk, you can buy "red" Vietnamese СМПС tickets between Kiev and Minsk in HaNoi.

I also have an e-mail from HSH where they confirmed the sad fact.

The state of Albanian Railways can be looked at here:

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/al/car/pix.html

The safety installation is here:
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/al/misc/Vora_20060318_dominopult.jpg

Tirana main railway station:
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/al/misc/tir_staz.jpg

After that - what is that joke called "Kosovo Railways" - even if in Albania they have no money to comply with anything?

Peter says:

Your concern is touching.. not to worry - serbs will take care of their own :)
Also good luck with the basket-case that you guys call an economy.

- Peter, that is not my concern, it the concern of Serb taxpayers in Serbia proper since they are going to pay for this. However, you might be right when you say that Serbs can take care of their own, your governments took care of Krajina, Bosnian and Kosova Serbs.

Kosova economy is improving slowly but surely. After the years of no economy things are moving ahead slowly. I would not like to compare Kosova economy with Serbian one since in Serbia authorities had all the normal conditions to have healthy economy but they failed and they are failing constantly. See the data of Serbian economy progress for the past 20 years to know where Serbia is and where could they be.

Kosovo has inspired me. Im going to my neighbours house with 22 of my friends, and im gonna claim his house belongs to me. And when the police come to arrest me, il have my 22 friends say they also recognise that the house is mine and i will get away with it!!

It is becoming obvious that Kosovo has been pushed out of the UN system into some kind Taiwan status.
The international community will not support the idea that national minorities have the right to secede.
The right of self dertemination could be applied on cases where nations do not have a state (Kurds) but even this kind of intepretaion is not widely excepted.
This explains why the US insists that Kosovars are a new nation and not a national minority.
The idea of self determination was widley supported after WW2 but only in cases of colonial liberation, since this was one of the main goals the UN at that time.


The Kosovo case undermines the multiethnic principle and international law, since there is no wide support by the UN and the international community. Ignoring the UN and the opinion of large countries like China, Indonesia, Brasil and multiethinic countries like Romania and Spain only proves that the US interpretaion does not have any legal gruond at all.

Is this part of that famous Serbian secret action plan that was very successful, like the burning of the birder posts, protest in Mitrovica.
I only wonder what is happening with those victims(Serbs) suddenly? They are shooting form sniper at UNMIK offices, closing railroads … Though, KPS, UNMIK and KFOR are just watching for the side until one day they run out of scenarios. Than what?
I would like to have the answer form bmrusila and ZKUK, Princip, Kate.
Imagine, after all these they choose to leave Kosova and go and protest in Belgrade for being betrayed. Are patriots like bmrusila and ZKUK, Princip, Kate going to talk to them?

This is a terrorist act. This "SZ" is clearly a terrorist organization like Al Qaeda. I told bganon that the Serbian government is planning on interfering with Kosova internal affairs, here is proof. Next move should be of the KPS and KFOR to arrest these people.

Of course things might be different if the US and EU forcibly pushed the UN out. If that happened the world would become a very dangerous place and I would start hoarding food and water just in case.
(Michael Thomas, 3 March 2008 14:29)

If i recall correctly, you had same believes/views about the UDI. But i guess you do expect to be proved wrong again and again so long as you hold distorted views that do not reflect the reality.

Bad Gorilla:

Annexation?

Northern part of Kosovo is part of Serbia as indeed is rest of Kosovo.

K-albanian UDI is not recognised by UN, nor by majority of nations, nor by majority of global population nor even by the the EU despite the best efforts of 'brussels'.

As for NATO & the likes of Pieter Feith, they are indeed free to run all over Kosovo - posturing to their hearts content - just as the serbs are free to ignore them.


KS:

Even I knew Norway isn't a member of the EU & I live in Australia. Also, methinks that 'pace' of recognition will 'slow to a crawl' very shortly.. & after that? Limbo?

And calling the 'SZ' a terrorist organisation.. get a grip on reality.

It's a railway!

1) I suggest - before anyone continues to jeer at each other with 1244 versus non-1244, please read carefully my previous long post. It explains pretty much all. The politics were kept at minimum there, just facts, ticket scans, explanation what and who is. EU, USA, NATO, Small Green Space Aliens, UN and 1244 Gnomes, Inc. do not run railways. Who are running them and what organization(s) are behind of these is explained, Kosovo Railways will join UIC, ОСЖД, will issue CIV/TCV and/or СМПС/МПТ passenger tickets no earlier than if pigs fly.

2) To "the railroad man": there is no such thing on Planet Earth as "KosovA Railways". UNMIK Railways in Kosovo organized the traffic on the infrastructure owned by Serbian Railways and rolling stock. UNMIK Railways, as a temporary authority of United Nations, have formally been canceled after on July 21st 2005, the Board of Kosovo Trust Agency made a decision to transform UNMIK Railways into "Kosovo Railways – Holding" - a company which should have taken over the entire property of Serbian Railways and railway traffic in Kosmet as well, and all together announced the privatization of this enterprise.

This act is called "STEALING". The name of perpetrator is "Kosovo Railways"/"Hekurudhat e Kosovës Sh.A"/ "Kosovske Železnice D.D". Since you are railroad man, please use either any of the above name. A layman can say "Kosova Railways", but not you.

3) To number 8, who said:
"BTW, the locomotives belong to Kosovo Railways, since they were donated by Swedish Government. Serbs took "the old ones" after retriving from Kosovo in 1999"

Correction:

a) On this picture from August 17, 2007 the 661 series "Kennedy" American diesel engine belonging to ЖС but re-painted in color of "Kosovo Railways" with the large white number "002" - is a ghost?

http://drehscheibe-online.ist-im-web.de/forum/file.php?30,file=11289

b) UNMIK Railways indeed received several second-hand passenger cars from Sweden and several GM/NOHAB engines for passenger service. As far as I know, these NOHAB engines were from Denmark - but here I could be wrong. Two engines are currently in Nish for repair. My bet is, they will stay there for a while. At least I would do so.

IMPORTANT:

"Hekurudhat e Kosovës Sh.A"/ "Kosovske Železnice D.D" could be a good, legitime enterprise, completely independent of 1244 and all political issues. The owner of track/infrastructure and the service provider is not the same thing. Like in USA, the line between Portland and Los Angeles is owned by Union Pacific, a private enterprise - but the passenger trains are run by Amtrak, a semi-governmental enterprise, completely different from Union Pacific.

Same with Kosovo: by all means, if Hekurudhat e Kosovës Sh.A can provide a good serivce there - they should stay. The normal procedure is, they pay the owner (ЖС) track use fees, ЖС may outsource them and pay Hekurudhat e Kosovës for track and infrastructure maintenance and repair (= Hekurudhat e Kosovës can maybe even with ЖС). The same time Hekurudhat e Kosovës can collect transit fees and passenger fees.
Heck - since the route seem to be a bit shorter - Hekurudhat e Kosovës can even compete with ЖС using either somewhat lower fees than ЖС uses for the Beograd-Nish-Presevo/Tabanovci section or better service or better trains. This is not a problem. Instead, basically stealing the infrastructure they became a pariah railroad no one wants to talk with and cut the tree branch they are sitting on. Very typical... :(

As far as finances, safety, infrastructure: my previous pictures show, Hekurudhat e Kosovës is light years ahead of Hekurudha Sqiptare. ЖС is well behind the West European standard but it cannot be compared with Hekurudha Sqiptare. Obviously, Hekurudhat e Kosovës advantage over Hekurudha Sqiptare is precisely that they stole the entire ЖС infrastructure, including the 661 series "Kennedy" diesels.

“As for defacto partition. Is already in effect & getting stronger every day. ”

— But that doesn't mean the forces (DSS, SRS, Obraz et caterva) that are working against order in Kosovo will get the annexation of Serbian-populated areas to Serbia. Once again, we must remember that NATO, Western and pro-Western forces control Kosovo right now.

“how do you know that Serbia doesn't have its military in the North already, undercover that is.”

— Well, may be there some hardheaded Kosovo War Serbian veterans, some Serbian Interior Ministry agents agitpropping vandalism, and some pro-Greater Serb nationalists with some munition. But they can't do anything against the tanks, the planes, the massive machine-guns and the well-prepared and well-paid soldiers of US-led, nuclear-armed NATO. Yugoslav People's Army doesn't exist anymore, many of its former commanders are behind bars, the Varsaw Pact is gone, and much probably Russia will not start World War III with America because of Serbian interests over Kosovo, a territory which hasn't any kind of Russian control.

To the Brian S, 30 old American

You seem to be worried very much about world problems, Kosova and Albanians in general. On the other side u trust very much to the number taken from your great friend Serbs. For your information in Kosova were killed about 12000 Albanians and 2000 Serbs. Let the people who absolutely have much more knowledge and intelligence than you to solve the problems of the world. By the way what is your nationality in case your passport is American??

To Brian S.

I do not think you are one real american, becouse americans are very patriotic, and they support any decision of their government, however, just look back in your history if you are a real american, on the time, of the war for formin a new nation , american nation, even the mighty America looked for help, it was France that americans asked for help to stop the english tyrany all over America, even that friendship did not last for long. We are in the same position only about 200 yrs later , we looked for help among the bigest and powerfull contrys, and for us is not a mistake.
You can call it however you want, colonie or not, but one is for sure, not even in their wildest dream , serbs will ever rule Kosova. That was our goal once and for all to be free from serbian tyrany over Kosova, and we did it.
The lastin friendship betwen albanians and great power is based on a bothsides interests, Serbia was by all the means and all the time favorised from those power, but their stupid politicans, did not know how to use that kind of favorisation, they thought they can cheat all the world, but it seamed to be wrong.
So my american friend, do not worry albanians in the time coming will protect your back from lot of nations that do not value you american way of life, from the nations that burns your emabssy building, from the nations that is to danger for any american to travel to their country, becouse with Americas help a balance is brought to Balkans and with that to Europe, so now you can count on albaninas, becouse almost 10 milion albanians in Balkans, are that kind of power now, to stop all the nations ( serbs to ) that are threat to you.

Ataman,

Remember the tracks and infrastructure was installed buy the Austrian and Hungarian empire. Then it became Yugoslavia, no it’s part of Kosova. Will Serbia request payment from Macedonia, Slovenia, Croatia, Montenegro for the use of there rail lines? I think you are living in the past. But remember Tito’s motto and political concept of "Brotherhood and Unity", which involved eliminating ethnic tensions as a key aspect of the state. That was forgotten when he died.
Title holding for equipment is based upon region so when Kosova had it autonomy from Yugoslavia they were giving an X amount of rail road equipment. But after the war Serbia did not release this equipment. So will Serbia request payment for equipment from the other breakaway states? Kosova will never ever be part of Serbia. Let’s just move on. Business partners yes.

I know Sebia you really trying hard to get your hand's around the gold mines but you really don't realize that war you lost long time ago not in 1999 but since 1989

Shocking

Thanks for your correction. I did except one.
After reading your post I am sure that you realise the position in which Kosova economy is. What Serbian authorities have done to Kosova no bombardment would do to Serbia for 5 years.
Mind you, Industry was not bombed from NATO but the empty army barracks mainly and military positions.

By the way Shocking, check yuur infaltion data just for fun.

P.S. Glad that we found common ground

Canadian Serb & Delije

You don't seem even to know where Kosova is located! Kosova is not Belgrade my friend! However, you could still come and pay a visit here and see that reality first hand.
As for 1244, it is quite ridiculous with you people, you were the one that did not accept it in the first place and now you pretend to consider that Resolution as something acceptable!!!!

NATO was also the one that stopped killings across Kosova, wasn't it? Therefore, it is understandable that it will be also protecting Kosova forever. In relation to the existence of Kosova itself, we are looking forward towards European and democratic integrations, since the times of war and hate are already over here. See you in Brussels, if you are going to join us!!!

Regards,

For the DSS to say that section of track is Unsafe it completely preposterous. The DSS did get a loan for 60million euros for infrastructure for the Serbian railways so did they spend any money on that section of track. NO The DSS did nothing until now. Tracks from Zvečan to Belgrade have been left to decay especially that route, since Serbia Install a right away track around KOSOVA from Macedonia to Belgrade for transporting material and goods. At least Kosova railways tried to transport people to and from Serbia safely.

The line beween Krragujevac and Kraljevo was not built until 1926, to south of Kraljevo even later. The main line was built via Nish earlier.
The track in our case were clearly built by Yugoslav state.

This can be seen for instance here:

http://www.pogledi.co.yu/kragujevac/english/1e.php

(look towards the end, beginning with
"The Kragujevac Massacre, October 20-21, 1941")

Technically, as you know, the JДЖ, later JЖ had independent divisions in Zagreb, Ljubljana, Beograd, Skopje, Sarajevo It only later got a division in Crna Gora (because Crn Gora had very little own network before the Bar-Beograd line was completed) but nothing in Kosovo Polje or Pristina. After the break-up of YU the divisions separated more easily simply because they were always de-facto independent. You can see on practice, for instance that while Skopje, Beograd and Titograd division got the Soviet/Esthonian EMU "электричка", the divisions in Zagreb, Sarajevo had other orders and in Ljubljana they have anyway their 3000 V DC inherited from Italy, very different from the rest.

The JДЖ/JЖ acted as "whole" to the outside of the world to get away paying less membership fees to organizations, get a better treatment as a larger organization and such. Internally there were separate divisions who ordered what they needed on their own.

The separation of Kosovo network from the current JЖ/ЖС network did not happen till 1999. The goal of UNMIK Railways was to keep things running ON BEHALF of ЖС, it's how it was created.

UNMIK Railways was "privatized" into Kosovo Railways in 2005, but UNMIK Railways was never an owner.

If you say, Kosovo Railways is "nationalized" from the part of ЖС on Kosovo - this is a different story. In that case we can debate 1244 and the rest. Here we are talking a private organization just taking part of ЖС. On the paper that organization has nothing to do with Kosovo as province or as county. Kosovo Railways does not belong to the people of Kosovo as you may think.

Kosovo Railways the way it was created has simply no title as private organization to ЖС property. We are not talking about Kosovo being part of Serbia or not this time. Think about КВЖД (East-Chinese Railroad) which remained under Russian, than Soviet ownership till January 1, 1953.

Regarding your comment about unity - yes, this is true. Now you have a bunch of quarreling mini-countries and one "quasi-State". I spoke with many people in ex-YU and I can assure you, the idea of eliminating ethnic tensions did not die at all. I try to make a huge simplification. Unfortunately people were under economic stress. The crooks called "politicians" played and still play everywhere a dirty game supported by foreign German, American, Russian, etc. crooks. I feel, many in ex-YU were/are naive and esp. in Kosovo and can be an easy target. Because of that great tragedies happened and now it's just going to be worse.

Everyone is a victim but where I am so upset and one reason I am so behind of Serbs:

why is Hague mostly associated with Serbian crooks? Where is the rest? In governmental buildings in Pristina, Sarajevo, Zagreb? How abut American crooks? This is not justice. And if not, than Hague is run by crooks, too.

Regarding about your comment about the "partnership" between ЖС and Kosovo Railways. ЖС is probably not against dealing with people of Kosovo, but they won't be a partner of a thief. You can't just "move on"

Kosovo is independent, Serbia had made no effort in repairing, restoring the rail system. So if they want payment please provide a service. And you still have not answered did Serbia request payment from the other rail lines that they lost control of.

So stop living in the past. Ultranationalist have no business doing business… remember it was call Yugoslavia. We had money, respect, education and large infrastructure.

And for the UIC it just a procedural matter they will come around.

Everyday we hear how things get out of control and starts to look much as a outlaw region in the northern part. It will come a day soon when the Kosovar government will say enough is enough, and will take everything back even if it means by force to let it function as a free and democratic state.

1. I wonder what is the end result of this?
2. I wonder by December 2008 are the same people again going to do this and if Serbia can continue paying them wages for nothing?
Serbian government data tells that supporting one municipality in Kosova costs 7 times more than supporting one in Serbia.
I wonder how long can Serbs in Serbia proper take this?

The only people suffering from this act are Kosovo's Serbs.

Good luck on your next stage of self-isolation.

There is a good old story that has been told to me by my grandfather here it goes; If one man says to you that your wrong, don't worry, but if you have two people saying that, than you need to consider the option. Ps: hopefuly my message got through.

I do not understand how a Serbian person living in Canada can speak without having a clue about the reality in Kosova?!!! As for recognition, it is not a big deal, it started with one and reached over 20, whereas it still continues...
-Finally, you should realize that the only and best solution for K-Serbs is to integrate into the Kosova Institutions.

Regards,

This is a terrorist act. This "SZ" is clearly a terrorist organization like Al Qaeda. I told bganon that the Serbian government is planning on interfering with Kosova internal affairs, here is proof. Next move should be of the KPS and KFOR to arrest these people.

Kostunica and Nikolic people can order and do what they want, but while all of Kosovo is controlled by NATO soldiers, there will be no Kosovo partition. There can be protests, some bombs, lockouts by the nationalist Serbs, but as long as there is no Serb and no Russian troops in Kosovo, they can do practically nothing to really change the situation on the ground.

The West must be tough to preserve the independence and integrity of Kosovo.

To: Another Canadian Serb.

Given the fact that EU countries, and US(= current world powers), have recognised us means a lot. Nevertheless, if you remember, Croat state was recognised only 2 weeks after the UDI, in Kosovo’s Sui Generis case, I think we all agree that it was not a UDI, it was more of a CDI. Its still not a month since the CDI, be patient, there are lots of countries that are willing to recognise us ( you will see).

In the end, Sovereign States are entitled to recognise Sovereign States, sooner the better.
I guess the FROG principle… would best apply for the Sui Generis case of Kosovo, I guess You know what I am talking about.

Peter says:

Your concern is touching.. not to worry - serbs will take care of their own :)
Also good luck with the basket-case that you guys call an economy.

- Peter, that is not my concern, it the concern of Serb taxpayers in Serbia proper since they are going to pay for this. However, you might be right when you say that Serbs can take care of their own, your governments took care of Krajina, Bosnian and Kosova Serbs.

Kosova economy is improving slowly but surely. After the years of no economy things are moving ahead slowly. I would not like to compare Kosova economy with Serbian one since in Serbia authorities had all the normal conditions to have healthy economy but they failed and they are failing constantly. See the data of Serbian economy progress for the past 20 years to know where Serbia is and where could they be.

Is this part of that famous Serbian secret action plan that was very successful, like the burning of the birder posts, protest in Mitrovica.
I only wonder what is happening with those victims(Serbs) suddenly? They are shooting form sniper at UNMIK offices, closing railroads … Though, KPS, UNMIK and KFOR are just watching for the side until one day they run out of scenarios. Than what?
I would like to have the answer form bmrusila and ZKUK, Princip, Kate.
Imagine, after all these they choose to leave Kosova and go and protest in Belgrade for being betrayed. Are patriots like bmrusila and ZKUK, Princip, Kate going to talk to them?

Why are they taking the control right now! Where have they been in those last 9 years - This latest move shows that the Serb Government does not even care about the Serbs in Kosovo, much less about Albanians there. All they care about is the territory of a "sacred value" of Kosovo! This is the reason why the Serbs never had Kosovo, and will never really have it! Who cares, where the territory really belongs to.

What they did is that they blocked Serbs living in central part of Kosovo. This shows how much Serbian Government is interested for Monasteries and Churches. BTW, the locomotives belong to Kosovo Railways, since they were donated by Swedish Government. Serbs took "the old ones" after retriving from Kosovo in 1999.

“As for defacto partition. Is already in effect & getting stronger every day. ”

— But that doesn't mean the forces (DSS, SRS, Obraz et caterva) that are working against order in Kosovo will get the annexation of Serbian-populated areas to Serbia. Once again, we must remember that NATO, Western and pro-Western forces control Kosovo right now.

“how do you know that Serbia doesn't have its military in the North already, undercover that is.”

— Well, may be there some hardheaded Kosovo War Serbian veterans, some Serbian Interior Ministry agents agitpropping vandalism, and some pro-Greater Serb nationalists with some munition. But they can't do anything against the tanks, the planes, the massive machine-guns and the well-prepared and well-paid soldiers of US-led, nuclear-armed NATO. Yugoslav People's Army doesn't exist anymore, many of its former commanders are behind bars, the Varsaw Pact is gone, and much probably Russia will not start World War III with America because of Serbian interests over Kosovo, a territory which hasn't any kind of Russian control.

ZK,


There are 192 UN recognized countries. Kosova is currently recognized by 22 of those 192 UN countries and a few that are unrecognized ROC Taiwan, Turkish Cyprus, etc.

Coming up soon (March 5-8) another 4 important EU countries will recognize us. Would you like me to name them? Norway, Sweden, Finland, and Slovenia.

"We are restoring our control over (this line) after a period of nine years," said Branislav Ristivojevic, a senior adviser to Prime Minister Vojislav Kostunica and chairman of Serbia's state-owned railroad company.
Excellent move! The rail workers will not work for the fake and illegal state of Kosovo, but will work for and be paid by the Serbian state owned rail company.
I look forward to the Serbian government implementing more of its action plan.
Cheers!

Canadian Serb & Delije

You don't seem even to know where Kosova is located! Kosova is not Belgrade my friend! However, you could still come and pay a visit here and see that reality first hand.
As for 1244, it is quite ridiculous with you people, you were the one that did not accept it in the first place and now you pretend to consider that Resolution as something acceptable!!!!

NATO was also the one that stopped killings across Kosova, wasn't it? Therefore, it is understandable that it will be also protecting Kosova forever. In relation to the existence of Kosova itself, we are looking forward towards European and democratic integrations, since the times of war and hate are already over here. See you in Brussels, if you are going to join us!!!

Regards,

To Brian S.

I do not think you are one real american, becouse americans are very patriotic, and they support any decision of their government, however, just look back in your history if you are a real american, on the time, of the war for formin a new nation , american nation, even the mighty America looked for help, it was France that americans asked for help to stop the english tyrany all over America, even that friendship did not last for long. We are in the same position only about 200 yrs later , we looked for help among the bigest and powerfull contrys, and for us is not a mistake.
You can call it however you want, colonie or not, but one is for sure, not even in their wildest dream , serbs will ever rule Kosova. That was our goal once and for all to be free from serbian tyrany over Kosova, and we did it.
The lastin friendship betwen albanians and great power is based on a bothsides interests, Serbia was by all the means and all the time favorised from those power, but their stupid politicans, did not know how to use that kind of favorisation, they thought they can cheat all the world, but it seamed to be wrong.
So my american friend, do not worry albanians in the time coming will protect your back from lot of nations that do not value you american way of life, from the nations that burns your emabssy building, from the nations that is to danger for any american to travel to their country, becouse with Americas help a balance is brought to Balkans and with that to Europe, so now you can count on albaninas, becouse almost 10 milion albanians in Balkans, are that kind of power now, to stop all the nations ( serbs to ) that are threat to you.

Artan,
then you and your UDI supporters are wrong given that only 20 Countries around the world have recognized Kosovo's UDI. That means that 80% perecent of the World does not agree with your point of view.

I know Sebia you really trying hard to get your hand's around the gold mines but you really don't realize that war you lost long time ago not in 1999 but since 1989

Of course things might be different if the US and EU forcibly pushed the UN out. If that happened the world would become a very dangerous place and I would start hoarding food and water just in case.
(Michael Thomas, 3 March 2008 14:29)

If i recall correctly, you had same believes/views about the UDI. But i guess you do expect to be proved wrong again and again so long as you hold distorted views that do not reflect the reality.

Shocking

Thanks for your correction. I did except one.
After reading your post I am sure that you realise the position in which Kosova economy is. What Serbian authorities have done to Kosova no bombardment would do to Serbia for 5 years.
Mind you, Industry was not bombed from NATO but the empty army barracks mainly and military positions.

By the way Shocking, check yuur infaltion data just for fun.

P.S. Glad that we found common ground

To the Brian S, 30 old American

You seem to be worried very much about world problems, Kosova and Albanians in general. On the other side u trust very much to the number taken from your great friend Serbs. For your information in Kosova were killed about 12000 Albanians and 2000 Serbs. Let the people who absolutely have much more knowledge and intelligence than you to solve the problems of the world. By the way what is your nationality in case your passport is American??

KS,

Get your facts straight! Norway is not a member of the EU.

KS,
yes! there is a terrorist act in motion against the State of Serbia. It is being lead by the USA and followed by Albania and its Allies. All acts of terrorism should be abolished from Serbia immediately.

Kosovo's status is a terrible mess. Part of the world recognizes it as a Serbian province, and part of the world recognizes it as an independent country.

The status issue is just a distraction from the real truth that Kosovo is a colony. NATO are the ones in charge, not the Albanians the not UN or anybody else. NATO has the guns and the boots on the ground -- NATO controls the territory.

When the euphoria of declaring independence wares off the Albanians will find themselves without any jobs in a NATO colony that isn't really "independent".

Western powers have a long history of establishing colonies around the world. We rob the colony of its resources and once we've taken everything we can take we leave the natives to fend for themselves. If the natives get uppity and challenge our authority we kill them.

I'm amazed that the Albanians think that anybody in the West wants to help them. The kill ratio in the Kosovo war was 2.5 Albanian deaths for every one Serb killed. No serious person in the West was morally outraged by that. In Israel four Palestinians die for every one Israeli and in Iraq and Afghanistan we're killing 100 of the enemy for every one our ours, by comparison Milosevic was being nice to the Albanians.

I'm a 30 year old American. During my lifetime I've seen my country support Saddam Hussein, Manuel Noriega, and even Osama bin Laden when it suited our purposes.

Friendship and alliance change really fast and I don't see this friendship with the Albanians lasting.

Ataman,

Remember the tracks and infrastructure was installed buy the Austrian and Hungarian empire. Then it became Yugoslavia, no it’s part of Kosova. Will Serbia request payment from Macedonia, Slovenia, Croatia, Montenegro for the use of there rail lines? I think you are living in the past. But remember Tito’s motto and political concept of "Brotherhood and Unity", which involved eliminating ethnic tensions as a key aspect of the state. That was forgotten when he died.
Title holding for equipment is based upon region so when Kosova had it autonomy from Yugoslavia they were giving an X amount of rail road equipment. But after the war Serbia did not release this equipment. So will Serbia request payment for equipment from the other breakaway states? Kosova will never ever be part of Serbia. Let’s just move on. Business partners yes.

Only Serbia and the UN have authority in Kosovo.

NATO exists in Kosovo as agents of the UN (UNMIK). They must do as the UN demands, not as the US or EU demands.

If US and EU troops in UNMIK are unable to perform their tasks then they will be replaced by UN troops from countries that will enforce the UN mandate.

The simple truth is that this Kosovo “recognition” process is merely a bluff. Nothing has changed. The UN (through UNMIK) still governs Kosovo.

Of course things might be different if the US and EU forcibly pushed the UN out. If that happened the world would become a very dangerous place and I would start hoarding food and water just in case.

Olf & Artan:

Your concern is touching.. not to worry - serbs will take care of their own :)

Also good luck with the basket-case that you guys call an economy.


Bad Gorilla:

Keep telling you guys. Kosovo is not independent.

As for defacto partition. Is already in effect & getting stronger every day.


Pejoni:

'Join our free & democratic society or else'.

Interesting motto.

Former unemployed member of KLA looking for work perhaps?

With about 20 countries recognising Kosovo out of about 200, that means only 90% currently support Serbia. Just a correction for "another Canadian Serb".

Also a note to some Albanians, NATO has NOT recognised Kosovo independence.

It's closer to 90% of the world that does not acknowledge K-Albanians UDI. Why in the world would Serbia support the stealing of it's land? Are the Albanian posters here dreaming, thinking that the Serbs would roll over and give you Kosovo as a token of friendship? K-Albans have only just made the first move with their aggressive gesture, the game is far, far from over.

Bad gorila, how do you know that Serbia doesn't have its military in the North already, undercover that is. Pejoni, your Pristina's force will be met by Serbian force. Look, the KPS was ran out by protester,s. Like it or not the North is inching it's self away from your illegal quazi state everyday. It's a mater of time before Pristina has to cut the North off it's flag. Get used to this.

Awesome news! But not just in the north - Serbia needs to re-take control of entire Serbian KiM railway.

Another clear sign that Serbia is looking for partition of Kosovo.

Blerim in response to
do not understand how a Serbian person living in Canada can speak without having a clue about the reality in Kosova?!!! As for recognition, it is not a big deal, it started with one and reached over 20, whereas it still continues...
-Finally, you should realize that the only and best solution for K-Serbs is to integrate into the Kosova Institutions.

Regards,
(Blerim, 3 March 2008 15:55)
I have visited Kosovo many times and i have many family members that live in Belgrade. But at least i have seen and do have ties whereas all the Countries that recognized the illegal UDI have no CLUE of what they are supporting. By the way these same countries are backing the USA and not Kosovo. Also, the Serbians are already segrated from the Albanians care of the USA.

Blerim, reality is that south of the Ibar is under Pristina's control, the North is under Belgrade's control and some of the Serb enclaves in the south. Reality is that Nato is the only reason the Albanians have any control of the south. Reality is that when Nato ceases to exist in the future so does "kosova"
"dardania" "mini illyria" what ever Albanian camp calls it these days. God help the Serbs in the south, but the North, well, the Serbs are ready for Pejoni's answer to his problem in the North. We (the Serbs) Have 1244 still, but reality is for now Serbia's (controled territory) border is at the Ibar river. For now. So as long as Nato has Pristina's back your little qusi state is there. But today's friend is tommorow's enemy. That's the reality of it Blerim. So enjoy it while it last's my friend, because the Turks couldn't even keep Kosovo away from Serbia forever. Kosovo is Serbia!!!

Why do people keep going on about 20% have recognised and so on? It doesn't matter - this isn't an election.

Kosovo is still Serbia, and those who think that the independence claim means too much shouldn't get too comfortable.

They have put up a tent in someone else's house.

Finally, Serbia is behaving like a state.

As mentioned before, just because you CLAIM independence, doesn't mean you'll get it!

With regard to the railway situation, it won't be anyone's due to the fact that there are conflicts all about so just toss in the white flag of surrender.

No more dancing in the streets of celebration?

Just a corection for our friend Olf.

The Serbian economy (GDP) grows on average 6-7% a year which is the highest in Europe currently. Slow progress in the last 20 years? Understandable since the transition from a planned economy to a open one is rather bumpy, especially if a former federation completely falls apart, if your under sanctions for a decade, if your property robbed right out from under you, if your entire industry is bombed from 30 000 feet, I could go on and on. And yet Serbia is still 15 years ahead of Albania, the 2nd poorest country in Europe. So whats your excuse? pathetic really...

And yet you have the nerve to speak about Kosovo's success? I bet your entire hand is set on those very important countries completely funding Kosovo for the next 50 years...*sigh* man are you in for a surprise...

Kosovo has inspired me. Im going to my neighbours house with 22 of my friends, and im gonna claim his house belongs to me. And when the police come to arrest me, il have my 22 friends say they also recognise that the house is mine and i will get away with it!!

OK, here is the truth and the truth and again the truth of this. This has (almost) nothing to do with recognizing Kosovo or not.

KOSOVO RAILWAY IS LEGALLY SERBIAN RAILWAY - as long as UIC says so. Who is UIC? Here they are: http://www.uic.asso.fr/ And UIC well... does not want Kosovo Railway as member. So far, all the attempts of Kosovo railways to enter international railway organizations failed. According UIC, Kosovo Rail is bogus.

http://www.serbianrailways.com/system/en/home/newsplus/viewsingle/_params/newsplus_news_id/9940.html

Will it change? Not sure. Here politicians do no have much things to say, rather how far a railway or an organization is fit to do. If there is a dispute or controversy, the things are unlikely. Bush and his transport-clown Norman Y. Marionetta, I mean, sorry, Norman Y. Mineta are currently busy trying to destroy Amtrak, Kosovo Rail is out of their scope of interest.

Even if all USA, UK, Russia, Germany, China, Cyprus may recognize Kosovo as independent Republic, and later Kosovo wold become 51th State of USA - it's one thing. UIC, the international Railway organization and railway tariff is an other thing.

That's just the beginning, a UIC membership alone is good - but not enough. For moving international passengers within Europe you have to also belong to few other organizations. Let's see a much more mature organization, HSH, Hekurudha Sqiptare, http://www.hsh.com.al/

At first, it looks fine. HSH is member of UIC. HSH is not a member of CIV, they have no TCV international tariff. At first, it's not a big deal either. Ukraine or Russia is not a member of CIV and they can't issue international TCV ("white envelope") tickets. Instead, they can issue precisely the same tickets in "red" СМПС envelope. "Big" deal.. But they can, they are part of UIC and ОСЖД http://osjd.jdvm.cz organization.

That is good. Fortunately, HSH is within ОСЖД. Here is the proof: http://bestpravo.ru/fed1999/data05/tex19737.htm

You would think, it looks everything is fine with Albania, they should use "red" envelopes like these:
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/lt/ticket/LG_Vilnius_Warszawa_cover.jpg
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/ua/ticket/01_144.jpg
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/ne/Mongolia/ticket/05_503a.jpg

not white like these:

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/sp/ticket/JZ_CIV_Beograd_Ljubljana_01.jpg

and if going "West" the "MC" characters will be crossed over:

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/ru/ticket%2Btimetable/RZD_Irkutsk_Maribor_1stpage.jpg

Right? Not a big deal?

It is a big deal, because UNLIKE MONGOLIAN OR NORTH KOREAN RAILWAY (!!!) the Albanian HSH failed to comply with ОСЖД, did not pay for membership, does not have means/money to send it's representatives to meetings (here ОСЖД associate members like French, German, Serbian Railway do!) and... run out of ticket formulars.
Yes, they (HSH) RUN OUT OF EMPTY TICKETS. It's like if you go to the railway station in Belgrade, ask for Belgrade-Zagreb ticket and you will be told "sorry, no ticket - we have no paper to write the tickets on". This sounds like a joke - but it's the truth: HSH of Albania failed to prolong their ОСЖД membership properly. You can't buy any international ticket, "red" (СМПС ) or "white" (CIV) in Albania anymore. Before they did run out, you could buy "red" (СМПС ones), but that time is over.

Here is the proof: http://www.uz.gov.ua/ci/org/osjd/membership.html

The fact, Albania does not have passenger connection to other countries would not prevent it: USA has no trains running to Europe, but you can buy "white" CIV tickets in USA. And while there is no Vietnamese train running between Kiev and Minsk, you can buy "red" Vietnamese СМПС tickets between Kiev and Minsk in HaNoi.

I also have an e-mail from HSH where they confirmed the sad fact.

The state of Albanian Railways can be looked at here:

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/al/car/pix.html

The safety installation is here:
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/al/misc/Vora_20060318_dominopult.jpg

Tirana main railway station:
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/al/misc/tir_staz.jpg

After that - what is that joke called "Kosovo Railways" - even if in Albania they have no money to comply with anything?

Bad Gorilla:

Annexation?

Northern part of Kosovo is part of Serbia as indeed is rest of Kosovo.

K-albanian UDI is not recognised by UN, nor by majority of nations, nor by majority of global population nor even by the the EU despite the best efforts of 'brussels'.

As for NATO & the likes of Pieter Feith, they are indeed free to run all over Kosovo - posturing to their hearts content - just as the serbs are free to ignore them.


KS:

Even I knew Norway isn't a member of the EU & I live in Australia. Also, methinks that 'pace' of recognition will 'slow to a crawl' very shortly.. & after that? Limbo?

And calling the 'SZ' a terrorist organisation.. get a grip on reality.

It's a railway!

Brian's comment (no.32) is one of the most perceptive ever seen on this sad little comment board, which seems to have become a place for Albanians to jeer at Serbs.

I trust the Albanians will finally grasp what this "quasi-state" (amazingly still called "Kosovo"...I wonder why that is, hmmm?)really is and what they really are - NATO vassals in a NATO state.

You were truly far better off under the Serbs.

It is becoming obvious that Kosovo has been pushed out of the UN system into some kind Taiwan status.
The international community will not support the idea that national minorities have the right to secede.
The right of self dertemination could be applied on cases where nations do not have a state (Kurds) but even this kind of intepretaion is not widely excepted.
This explains why the US insists that Kosovars are a new nation and not a national minority.
The idea of self determination was widley supported after WW2 but only in cases of colonial liberation, since this was one of the main goals the UN at that time.


The Kosovo case undermines the multiethnic principle and international law, since there is no wide support by the UN and the international community. Ignoring the UN and the opinion of large countries like China, Indonesia, Brasil and multiethinic countries like Romania and Spain only proves that the US interpretaion does not have any legal gruond at all.

For the DSS to say that section of track is Unsafe it completely preposterous. The DSS did get a loan for 60million euros for infrastructure for the Serbian railways so did they spend any money on that section of track. NO The DSS did nothing until now. Tracks from Zvečan to Belgrade have been left to decay especially that route, since Serbia Install a right away track around KOSOVA from Macedonia to Belgrade for transporting material and goods. At least Kosova railways tried to transport people to and from Serbia safely.

1) I suggest - before anyone continues to jeer at each other with 1244 versus non-1244, please read carefully my previous long post. It explains pretty much all. The politics were kept at minimum there, just facts, ticket scans, explanation what and who is. EU, USA, NATO, Small Green Space Aliens, UN and 1244 Gnomes, Inc. do not run railways. Who are running them and what organization(s) are behind of these is explained, Kosovo Railways will join UIC, ОСЖД, will issue CIV/TCV and/or СМПС/МПТ passenger tickets no earlier than if pigs fly.

2) To "the railroad man": there is no such thing on Planet Earth as "KosovA Railways". UNMIK Railways in Kosovo organized the traffic on the infrastructure owned by Serbian Railways and rolling stock. UNMIK Railways, as a temporary authority of United Nations, have formally been canceled after on July 21st 2005, the Board of Kosovo Trust Agency made a decision to transform UNMIK Railways into "Kosovo Railways – Holding" - a company which should have taken over the entire property of Serbian Railways and railway traffic in Kosmet as well, and all together announced the privatization of this enterprise.

This act is called "STEALING". The name of perpetrator is "Kosovo Railways"/"Hekurudhat e Kosovës Sh.A"/ "Kosovske Železnice D.D". Since you are railroad man, please use either any of the above name. A layman can say "Kosova Railways", but not you.

3) To number 8, who said:
"BTW, the locomotives belong to Kosovo Railways, since they were donated by Swedish Government. Serbs took "the old ones" after retriving from Kosovo in 1999"

Correction:

a) On this picture from August 17, 2007 the 661 series "Kennedy" American diesel engine belonging to ЖС but re-painted in color of "Kosovo Railways" with the large white number "002" - is a ghost?

http://drehscheibe-online.ist-im-web.de/forum/file.php?30,file=11289

b) UNMIK Railways indeed received several second-hand passenger cars from Sweden and several GM/NOHAB engines for passenger service. As far as I know, these NOHAB engines were from Denmark - but here I could be wrong. Two engines are currently in Nish for repair. My bet is, they will stay there for a while. At least I would do so.

IMPORTANT:

"Hekurudhat e Kosovës Sh.A"/ "Kosovske Železnice D.D" could be a good, legitime enterprise, completely independent of 1244 and all political issues. The owner of track/infrastructure and the service provider is not the same thing. Like in USA, the line between Portland and Los Angeles is owned by Union Pacific, a private enterprise - but the passenger trains are run by Amtrak, a semi-governmental enterprise, completely different from Union Pacific.

Same with Kosovo: by all means, if Hekurudhat e Kosovës Sh.A can provide a good serivce there - they should stay. The normal procedure is, they pay the owner (ЖС) track use fees, ЖС may outsource them and pay Hekurudhat e Kosovës for track and infrastructure maintenance and repair (= Hekurudhat e Kosovës can maybe even with ЖС). The same time Hekurudhat e Kosovës can collect transit fees and passenger fees.
Heck - since the route seem to be a bit shorter - Hekurudhat e Kosovës can even compete with ЖС using either somewhat lower fees than ЖС uses for the Beograd-Nish-Presevo/Tabanovci section or better service or better trains. This is not a problem. Instead, basically stealing the infrastructure they became a pariah railroad no one wants to talk with and cut the tree branch they are sitting on. Very typical... :(

As far as finances, safety, infrastructure: my previous pictures show, Hekurudhat e Kosovës is light years ahead of Hekurudha Sqiptare. ЖС is well behind the West European standard but it cannot be compared with Hekurudha Sqiptare. Obviously, Hekurudhat e Kosovës advantage over Hekurudha Sqiptare is precisely that they stole the entire ЖС infrastructure, including the 661 series "Kennedy" diesels.

The line beween Krragujevac and Kraljevo was not built until 1926, to south of Kraljevo even later. The main line was built via Nish earlier.
The track in our case were clearly built by Yugoslav state.

This can be seen for instance here:

http://www.pogledi.co.yu/kragujevac/english/1e.php

(look towards the end, beginning with
"The Kragujevac Massacre, October 20-21, 1941")

Technically, as you know, the JДЖ, later JЖ had independent divisions in Zagreb, Ljubljana, Beograd, Skopje, Sarajevo It only later got a division in Crna Gora (because Crn Gora had very little own network before the Bar-Beograd line was completed) but nothing in Kosovo Polje or Pristina. After the break-up of YU the divisions separated more easily simply because they were always de-facto independent. You can see on practice, for instance that while Skopje, Beograd and Titograd division got the Soviet/Esthonian EMU "электричка", the divisions in Zagreb, Sarajevo had other orders and in Ljubljana they have anyway their 3000 V DC inherited from Italy, very different from the rest.

The JДЖ/JЖ acted as "whole" to the outside of the world to get away paying less membership fees to organizations, get a better treatment as a larger organization and such. Internally there were separate divisions who ordered what they needed on their own.

The separation of Kosovo network from the current JЖ/ЖС network did not happen till 1999. The goal of UNMIK Railways was to keep things running ON BEHALF of ЖС, it's how it was created.

UNMIK Railways was "privatized" into Kosovo Railways in 2005, but UNMIK Railways was never an owner.

If you say, Kosovo Railways is "nationalized" from the part of ЖС on Kosovo - this is a different story. In that case we can debate 1244 and the rest. Here we are talking a private organization just taking part of ЖС. On the paper that organization has nothing to do with Kosovo as province or as county. Kosovo Railways does not belong to the people of Kosovo as you may think.

Kosovo Railways the way it was created has simply no title as private organization to ЖС property. We are not talking about Kosovo being part of Serbia or not this time. Think about КВЖД (East-Chinese Railroad) which remained under Russian, than Soviet ownership till January 1, 1953.

Regarding your comment about unity - yes, this is true. Now you have a bunch of quarreling mini-countries and one "quasi-State". I spoke with many people in ex-YU and I can assure you, the idea of eliminating ethnic tensions did not die at all. I try to make a huge simplification. Unfortunately people were under economic stress. The crooks called "politicians" played and still play everywhere a dirty game supported by foreign German, American, Russian, etc. crooks. I feel, many in ex-YU were/are naive and esp. in Kosovo and can be an easy target. Because of that great tragedies happened and now it's just going to be worse.

Everyone is a victim but where I am so upset and one reason I am so behind of Serbs:

why is Hague mostly associated with Serbian crooks? Where is the rest? In governmental buildings in Pristina, Sarajevo, Zagreb? How abut American crooks? This is not justice. And if not, than Hague is run by crooks, too.

Regarding about your comment about the "partnership" between ЖС and Kosovo Railways. ЖС is probably not against dealing with people of Kosovo, but they won't be a partner of a thief. You can't just "move on"

Kosovo is independent, Serbia had made no effort in repairing, restoring the rail system. So if they want payment please provide a service. And you still have not answered did Serbia request payment from the other rail lines that they lost control of.

So stop living in the past. Ultranationalist have no business doing business… remember it was call Yugoslavia. We had money, respect, education and large infrastructure.

And for the UIC it just a procedural matter they will come around.