Jeremić sends protest letter to Ban

H.P.D-Norway,

I will briefly tell you that during negotiations Serbia offered basically everything, possible and impossible. The only thing Serbia insisted is Kosovo under its sovereignty. Serbia offered different models such as Hong Kong, Aland Islands, meaning that Albanians as Serbia’s minority would enjoy the widest possible autonomy without any interference form Belgrade. They would be basically independent and as such could be members of different kinds of organisations and institutions. The only, literally the only thing Serbia insisted is to respect the UN resolution 1244 that clearly states that Kosovo is Serbian southern province.

The talks collapsed because Albanians backed by the USA and EU refused any wide autonomy (never seen in the world) and insisted only on independence and good neighbouring relationship. They even did not have their own platform for negotiations, they did not propose anything that Belgrade could take into consideration. The only thing they had were some fragments from Ahtisari’s plan and good neighbouring relationship. Wow, what a vision for someone who wants to be independent???

Maybe the EU mission could go to some other place instead. What about the Gaza strip?
Bosko

Ok, I'm not surprised with Jeremic's comments and complains. But I have a question for him. Where was the respect of 1244 during the 90s when Serbia massacred, raped, chased out of the country many innocent people?
1244 resolution was created within Yugoslavia. By 2003 whatever was left of it was called Serbia and Montenegro, and in 2006 it was only Serbia left.
That resolution that you talk about was taken from Kosovo in 1989, right? So, why mention it now?
Ok, another thing:
Let's say the world agrees that you get Kosovo back. The population in Kosovo for now is 90% Albanian and the rest is 10%, and within the entire Serbia Albanians include about 40% of population. Are you ever going to accept them equally as people? Are you ever going to be able to accept them fair and square and give them the seats in our parliament according to the population? that is 40% of your seats.
Wow, in long run, maybe Kosovo should stay with Serbia, within 10 years Serbs would be the ones declaring the independence.

This guy needs to grow up!!!

Andy, London

Would it be possible for any commentators to give me the scope of what lead to the collapse (?) of negotiations? What would/could would have been accepted? I know there are many different opinions on this, but this seems to be a very under exposed topic to me, as media has done a poor job of covering it so far in my opinion.

Have a peaceful day.
Greetings from Norway.

Kosovo is not going to be the last demand of the West for Serbia's integrity. The next thing they are going to ask will be destroying your special relations with Russsia. They will accept you when guatanteed that you are helpless and faithful enough to open you mouth only at a command.

You only have a chance if they are able to lower your national dignity to the Bulgarian level and put limits and restrictions for your membership.

Don't behave as if only the Serbs are interested in such an integration ! They too need your market and besides they fear that Russia may establish strategic partnership with Serbia. So this is the Jocker you must use in the game ! From many points of view Europe is weak and impotent. Don't you ever forget it !

The new world order gang are experts in euphemisms and double speak.I mean "international steering group" really means a non UN illegal EU German headed force to in some way try to make an illegal act of taking Kosovo seem legal.Some of the posts on here about the "compromise" are ignorant or intentionally in denial.You say the Ahtisaari Plan was an attempt by the Albanians to compromise.It is not a compromise when one side gets everything and the other loses everything.Albanians here know that they had no reason to compromise since they were promised everything already.No matter what happens with Kosovo and no matter how far it goes this injustice will not stand forever.

ORTHODOX,

“…Kosovo is not going to be the last demand of the West for Serbia's integrity….”

Yes, it will go much further, further then with a Bulgaria. They, (US and couple of friends), wants to destroy us completely. They know that we would not cooperate with them when they launch onslaught on you in not to distant future. (Zbigniew Brzezinski, Project for the new American century). Past few clashes with us are obviously well remembered and this time no risks are taken. We are seen as some kind of Russian surrogate. They are doing to us what they would like to do to you, if they just could. All kinds of techniques are tested and perfected on us first.
We need to develop our relations as fast as possible, there is a little time. We should dramatically increase our trade, so that Serbian economy doesn’t depend any more on EU. (At these moment around 55% of our total trade is with EU). And we need military cooperation. Say, few bases for your rockets on our territory? All purely defensive of course, just to intercept the missiles from some vague rouge states, just as Americans in Poland and Czech Republic. S-300 for our air – defense? Few dozens of SU -27 in prolonged, friendly visit to Batajnica for training flights?

And then just watch how US dollar sinks ever deaper…

Irena,

“…That resolution that you talk about was taken from Kosovo in 1989, right?...”

No, it was adopted by the Security Council at its 4011 th meeting on June 1999, full ten years later then what you sad.

“… So, why mention it now?...”

Because it is only valid resolution. It is still in force. And you, Albanians, still didn’t realize your obligations from it.

“….within the entire Serbia Albanians include about 40% of population…”

It seems that math and statistics are not your thing. Check you data.

“… Are you ever going to accept them equally as people? Are you ever going to be able to accept them fair and square and give them the seats in our parliament…”

Why not? Albanians had all of that in SFR Yugoslavia, (ministers, president of SFR YU, cost - free education in Albanian language including University, Albanian media…). Why not again? As long as you respect common state.

“…according to the population?... that is 40% of your seats. ..”

It isn’t.

H.P.D,

As far as I know Kosovo Albanians were told by Americans that if negotiations failed, USA would support Kosovo independence. No wonder negotiations failed.

(H.P.D., 1 March 2008 12:22)

The Serbian delegation offered nothing and refused to compromise. The Serbs where offering plans on the notion "more than autonomy, less than independence" which is what we had (autonomy) until 1989 when the Serbs revoked that. We knew that if that were to happen again, they would revoke our autonomy, drive us out and make Kosovo full out Serbian.

The Kosovar team compromised and accepted the Ahtisaari Plan (not join with Albanian), highest powers for minorities, basically no army, and supervised.

The Serbian delegation refused to even negotiate and even refused to shake the Kosovar Unity Team hand---which is how respectful and mature they were.

Thank you Bmrusila, Anna, KS, Endri, and Jovan.

I can recognise the perspective of both sides.
Such as:

"The only, literally the only thing Serbia insisted is to respect the UN resolution 1244 that clearly states that Kosovo is Serbian southern province."

against

"The option of the Belgrade was well know and absolutely not reliable referring to the past."

against

"It is not a compromise when one side gets everything and the other loses everything.Albanians here know that they had no reason to compromise since they were promised everything already."

Had I written from a Kosovo Serb perspective, I would probably have added:
"The option of the Pristina was well know and absolutely not reliable referring to the past."


I personally see no realistic compromise, but neither do I know the situation well enough, nor do I stand to win or lose anything subjectively. But if there is a way to be a part of a peaceful, respectful, compromise, I would like to contribute to it.

In the meantime I just hope anyone that can, will take measures to avoid that there will be another sad fate such as the one of Zoran Vujovic, and that all us citizens of Europe, and in the Balkans in particular, will not suffer from the power plays among politicians, domestic or international, that does nothing to improve the lives of the citizens that live them.

To bmrusila!

It is ridiculous that you compare the issues of Hong Kong and Aland Island with Kosova. Firstly Hong Kong was under rules of UK which means they had complete different systems (political and economical) with China. Secondly they are (the majority) of Chinese origin and not minority.

"meaning that Albanians as Serbia's minority would enjoy the widest possible autonomy without any interference form Belgrade"

You still mean that Serbian forces should have the right to protect the borders of Kosova and to interfere with full paramilitary, police and mercenaries from Russia as they did in 1999. Of course no one would have accepted what you offered simply because the Albanians did have the autonomy which was suspended by dictator Milosevic. After that everyone know what happened!! Why you don't explain to the H. P. D what the consequences which led to independence are. The option of the Belgrade was well know and absolutely not reliable referring to the past. The today radicals just proved it some days ago. The vision of Kosova was independence that is fully supported form the leading democratic countries and opposed by communists and dictatorial states. The difference is very clear.

It is quite right that Jeremić complains to the UN. The EU and the US are bending and breaking laws and so it is proper that the appropriate protests are made.

I believe that Harward should revoke degree given to him, because the way he is acting resembles more Russia/and Venezuela school of thought. Its very shameful for him and degree he holds to make such public speakings. So pity for you Mr.Jeremic, I used to believe that you are going to be the person who will put forward to a brighter future your own Serbians because of your education opportunity you had, but unfortunately you are doing the opposite...! Do not think that by doing so your are hurting and diminishing interests of Kosova Albanians, in fact we will just keep benefiting while you keep this stance.

The EU mission is illegal for Serbia!
It maybe,but Serbia actually doesn't count in the world.Moreover, you doesn't have the Titos' stature!!!

This guy needs to grow up!!!

Andy, London

I believe that Harward should revoke degree given to him, because the way he is acting resembles more Russia/and Venezuela school of thought. Its very shameful for him and degree he holds to make such public speakings. So pity for you Mr.Jeremic, I used to believe that you are going to be the person who will put forward to a brighter future your own Serbians because of your education opportunity you had, but unfortunately you are doing the opposite...! Do not think that by doing so your are hurting and diminishing interests of Kosova Albanians, in fact we will just keep benefiting while you keep this stance.

(H.P.D., 1 March 2008 12:22)

The Serbian delegation offered nothing and refused to compromise. The Serbs where offering plans on the notion "more than autonomy, less than independence" which is what we had (autonomy) until 1989 when the Serbs revoked that. We knew that if that were to happen again, they would revoke our autonomy, drive us out and make Kosovo full out Serbian.

The Kosovar team compromised and accepted the Ahtisaari Plan (not join with Albanian), highest powers for minorities, basically no army, and supervised.

The Serbian delegation refused to even negotiate and even refused to shake the Kosovar Unity Team hand---which is how respectful and mature they were.

To bmrusila!

It is ridiculous that you compare the issues of Hong Kong and Aland Island with Kosova. Firstly Hong Kong was under rules of UK which means they had complete different systems (political and economical) with China. Secondly they are (the majority) of Chinese origin and not minority.

"meaning that Albanians as Serbia's minority would enjoy the widest possible autonomy without any interference form Belgrade"

You still mean that Serbian forces should have the right to protect the borders of Kosova and to interfere with full paramilitary, police and mercenaries from Russia as they did in 1999. Of course no one would have accepted what you offered simply because the Albanians did have the autonomy which was suspended by dictator Milosevic. After that everyone know what happened!! Why you don't explain to the H. P. D what the consequences which led to independence are. The option of the Belgrade was well know and absolutely not reliable referring to the past. The today radicals just proved it some days ago. The vision of Kosova was independence that is fully supported form the leading democratic countries and opposed by communists and dictatorial states. The difference is very clear.

Ok, I'm not surprised with Jeremic's comments and complains. But I have a question for him. Where was the respect of 1244 during the 90s when Serbia massacred, raped, chased out of the country many innocent people?
1244 resolution was created within Yugoslavia. By 2003 whatever was left of it was called Serbia and Montenegro, and in 2006 it was only Serbia left.
That resolution that you talk about was taken from Kosovo in 1989, right? So, why mention it now?
Ok, another thing:
Let's say the world agrees that you get Kosovo back. The population in Kosovo for now is 90% Albanian and the rest is 10%, and within the entire Serbia Albanians include about 40% of population. Are you ever going to accept them equally as people? Are you ever going to be able to accept them fair and square and give them the seats in our parliament according to the population? that is 40% of your seats.
Wow, in long run, maybe Kosovo should stay with Serbia, within 10 years Serbs would be the ones declaring the independence.

Kosovo is not going to be the last demand of the West for Serbia's integrity. The next thing they are going to ask will be destroying your special relations with Russsia. They will accept you when guatanteed that you are helpless and faithful enough to open you mouth only at a command.

You only have a chance if they are able to lower your national dignity to the Bulgarian level and put limits and restrictions for your membership.

Don't behave as if only the Serbs are interested in such an integration ! They too need your market and besides they fear that Russia may establish strategic partnership with Serbia. So this is the Jocker you must use in the game ! From many points of view Europe is weak and impotent. Don't you ever forget it !

Would it be possible for any commentators to give me the scope of what lead to the collapse (?) of negotiations? What would/could would have been accepted? I know there are many different opinions on this, but this seems to be a very under exposed topic to me, as media has done a poor job of covering it so far in my opinion.

Have a peaceful day.
Greetings from Norway.

The new world order gang are experts in euphemisms and double speak.I mean "international steering group" really means a non UN illegal EU German headed force to in some way try to make an illegal act of taking Kosovo seem legal.Some of the posts on here about the "compromise" are ignorant or intentionally in denial.You say the Ahtisaari Plan was an attempt by the Albanians to compromise.It is not a compromise when one side gets everything and the other loses everything.Albanians here know that they had no reason to compromise since they were promised everything already.No matter what happens with Kosovo and no matter how far it goes this injustice will not stand forever.

H.P.D-Norway,

I will briefly tell you that during negotiations Serbia offered basically everything, possible and impossible. The only thing Serbia insisted is Kosovo under its sovereignty. Serbia offered different models such as Hong Kong, Aland Islands, meaning that Albanians as Serbia’s minority would enjoy the widest possible autonomy without any interference form Belgrade. They would be basically independent and as such could be members of different kinds of organisations and institutions. The only, literally the only thing Serbia insisted is to respect the UN resolution 1244 that clearly states that Kosovo is Serbian southern province.

The talks collapsed because Albanians backed by the USA and EU refused any wide autonomy (never seen in the world) and insisted only on independence and good neighbouring relationship. They even did not have their own platform for negotiations, they did not propose anything that Belgrade could take into consideration. The only thing they had were some fragments from Ahtisari’s plan and good neighbouring relationship. Wow, what a vision for someone who wants to be independent???

Maybe the EU mission could go to some other place instead. What about the Gaza strip?
Bosko

H.P.D,

As far as I know Kosovo Albanians were told by Americans that if negotiations failed, USA would support Kosovo independence. No wonder negotiations failed.

It is quite right that Jeremić complains to the UN. The EU and the US are bending and breaking laws and so it is proper that the appropriate protests are made.

The EU mission is illegal for Serbia!
It maybe,but Serbia actually doesn't count in the world.Moreover, you doesn't have the Titos' stature!!!

ORTHODOX,

“…Kosovo is not going to be the last demand of the West for Serbia's integrity….”

Yes, it will go much further, further then with a Bulgaria. They, (US and couple of friends), wants to destroy us completely. They know that we would not cooperate with them when they launch onslaught on you in not to distant future. (Zbigniew Brzezinski, Project for the new American century). Past few clashes with us are obviously well remembered and this time no risks are taken. We are seen as some kind of Russian surrogate. They are doing to us what they would like to do to you, if they just could. All kinds of techniques are tested and perfected on us first.
We need to develop our relations as fast as possible, there is a little time. We should dramatically increase our trade, so that Serbian economy doesn’t depend any more on EU. (At these moment around 55% of our total trade is with EU). And we need military cooperation. Say, few bases for your rockets on our territory? All purely defensive of course, just to intercept the missiles from some vague rouge states, just as Americans in Poland and Czech Republic. S-300 for our air – defense? Few dozens of SU -27 in prolonged, friendly visit to Batajnica for training flights?

And then just watch how US dollar sinks ever deaper…

Irena,

“…That resolution that you talk about was taken from Kosovo in 1989, right?...”

No, it was adopted by the Security Council at its 4011 th meeting on June 1999, full ten years later then what you sad.

“… So, why mention it now?...”

Because it is only valid resolution. It is still in force. And you, Albanians, still didn’t realize your obligations from it.

“….within the entire Serbia Albanians include about 40% of population…”

It seems that math and statistics are not your thing. Check you data.

“… Are you ever going to accept them equally as people? Are you ever going to be able to accept them fair and square and give them the seats in our parliament…”

Why not? Albanians had all of that in SFR Yugoslavia, (ministers, president of SFR YU, cost - free education in Albanian language including University, Albanian media…). Why not again? As long as you respect common state.

“…according to the population?... that is 40% of your seats. ..”

It isn’t.

Thank you Bmrusila, Anna, KS, Endri, and Jovan.

I can recognise the perspective of both sides.
Such as:

"The only, literally the only thing Serbia insisted is to respect the UN resolution 1244 that clearly states that Kosovo is Serbian southern province."

against

"The option of the Belgrade was well know and absolutely not reliable referring to the past."

against

"It is not a compromise when one side gets everything and the other loses everything.Albanians here know that they had no reason to compromise since they were promised everything already."

Had I written from a Kosovo Serb perspective, I would probably have added:
"The option of the Pristina was well know and absolutely not reliable referring to the past."


I personally see no realistic compromise, but neither do I know the situation well enough, nor do I stand to win or lose anything subjectively. But if there is a way to be a part of a peaceful, respectful, compromise, I would like to contribute to it.

In the meantime I just hope anyone that can, will take measures to avoid that there will be another sad fate such as the one of Zoran Vujovic, and that all us citizens of Europe, and in the Balkans in particular, will not suffer from the power plays among politicians, domestic or international, that does nothing to improve the lives of the citizens that live them.