Jeremić: Support for independence shameful

2 Suzana:
First - Kosovo/UNMIK and after short time Serbia again :-)

First Kosovo/UNMIK and after some years Republic of Kosova/o.

Never, never, never! That's what they said abut independence too... this serbian rhetoric never changes, it's even more distressing that it is coming from an American educated Serb. That's shameful!

@(Gashi, 28 February 2008 17:05)

"Your country and people committed the worst crimes in Europe since the WWII"

If past actions from an country is an valid argumjent to withhold international justice today, then we should revoke independence from Albania, Germany, Austria and give those country's to their victems off WW2.

Due to communismn Albania has never paid for theire commited crimes is WW2, seems that justice still has to be done.

P.S.
Croatia is allready facing criminal charges over WW2 by it's victims.

This is not what we worked for. We did not want to find ourselves in this situation, but here we are now," Jeremić told the meeting of regional leaders. "Serbia is no super power. We do not have at our disposal what some other have, but we do have justice, international law and common sense on our side,"

Absolutely wonderful comment, made me laugh my pants off, honestly, I have heard stories of officials of Serbia denying ever it did wrong in Kosovo but to actually sit there, at the table with many prominent diplomats and state that they did not want to find themselves in this situation, is unbelievable.

Well I guess it’s easy to be smart now knowing the end-game but if Serbia truly did not want to find itself in this position why then did it not respect international law during the 1990:s, but then again I guess that the universal declaration of human rights and article 3 “Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person” does not apply to Albanians, Bosnians, Croats, Slovens and so on...

I don’t know what Mr. Jeremic did during the 90s and even if he was old enough to stay up so late and watch the news, but I can say that TV in Sweden aired times after times horrible crimes committed in Bosnia, Croatia and Kosovo.

Being active in human rights organizations here in Sweden (taking note of countless human rights abuses in Serbia) it is my opinion that Serbia should refrain from using the International Law Card when trying to claim legitimacy of Kosovo, it will only bring up the same reaction it did when I read this article, disappointment of the lack of progress in facing responsibility for actions taken in Kosovo.

Yes all sides committed crimes in Kosovo, some more than others, some state-sponsored and systematic and some individual acts but international law is based on reciprocity. How can a state, not just Serbia, but in general, that has a history of not respecting international law, in this case human rights, demand that it is respected when it concerns its own interests?

I wish to tell Mr. Jeremic to face reality, Kosovo is not lost to Serbia, it is not on an isolated island, only difference now from before 99 is that one interesting principle is being applied, not codified in international law but nonetheless important and this is: “What goes around, comes around”

Not respecting international law will mean that others won’t respect international law (recognizing Kosovo despite Serbian opposition).

Of course you have "justice, international law, common sense etc." Your country and people committed the worst crimes in Europe since the WWII. All in the name of international law, justice, and common sense. Kennedy School of Gov't should annul your degree, Mr. Jeremic.

Instead of pointing on others, Mr. Vuk Jeremić better should give his chair for a more capable diplomat. For years he achieved no success in many international meetings - and he never contributed to a solution which would have been acceptable for Serbia as well as for the region. The LOGICAL RESULT of this "diplomacy" was Kosovos' declaration of independence. Mr. Jeremić and the whole Serbian government knew exactly, that this step will happen, if Serbia blocks any other solution. Therefore it is absolutely no shame for "third parties" like states or persons like me to support the decision of Kosovo, because this decision was provokated by Serbia.

I am pleased that the independence declaration is not so much of a 'done deal' at this stage as I thought it would be. It will take a long time for anything to change - the UN/EU etc., are going to have to prop up an implausible state for a long time, while Serbia will still remain partially active in its governance within the province.

The legality argument is lost for the EU unless the UN gives it the go ahead its status will remain open to question.

Serbia has right and legality on its side. I think several states that have recognised Kosovo have done it 'with regret' and will still acknowledge Serbia's case. With Milosevic gone, Serbia is losing its pariah status. The longer term will show the the US etc., have done wrong by democratic Serbia and created an unnecessary unresolved mess for a long time yet.

jeremic is clever, passionate and right, but he is just the good cop tadic is offering to the Serbian public, to convince us that they will not sell our country down the river, the ds that is. wont work. ds needs a good few years in opposition now, to reassess things in peace and see where they take it from there. and to learn the most basic thing there is in politics: there is alternative to everything, and most certainly to ds.

Jeremic is trying to play the tough guy. Although he migh have studied in Western, he is imitating 1:1 his friend Larv-ov. Jeremic is young and this his chance to make the political career. But he should know better what is needed today to be a respectable politician instead of copying Kostunica or Putin. If he is an expert on international law, which I doubt, he should explain to his friends and his enemies if the violation of the human rights is part of the international law and part of the UNO Charta. If he and all his friends recognise this fact, then he and all the serbs implicated in the violation of the human rights in the Balkans esp. in Kosova shall moderate the tone and do not try to sell the card of the international law. I am convinced in one year this Jeremic will change his colour just to maintain the primadona of the Serbian foreign policy not matter who will govern Serbia. Just a remark to B92. A great job pushing discussions. I would very much appreciate if you could start an initiative to discuss about how to promote peace and understanding for the future generation in the region, because this generation is to much spoiled with mythology.

Enough with threats Mr. Jeremic!!
It's time for you to come to terms with reality and the actions of your governments in the past decade that brought us where we are today.

Remember that when the audience hears you talk about "Serbian Justice" the can't help but think about your arrogance.

Jeremic, and DS/DSS, are digging Serbia into a hole.

If Serbia wants to join the EU it will have to recognise Kosovo.

So why these histrionics? Who is he fooling?

Let's hope this is just some tough talk before a modus vivendi is reached.

"some have decided to sacrifice the region's geo-strategic priorities of the 21st century at the alter of maximalist ethic aspirations belonging to the 19th century"

The above describes the Serb position perfectly.

Mr. Jeremić and the whole Serbian government knew exactly, that this step will happen, if Serbia blocks any other solution.

rolerkoster

Please enlighten me which "other solutions" did Serbia block?

Mr Vuk Jeremic why did you did you ask and bagged kosovan albanian delegetion not to declare independence of Kosovo before election are held in Serbia? You know very well why and please tell to your people and be honest for once please. Stop lying to Serbian people please.

You know, the more vitrol and scorn that is poured from 'Team Kosova' and the pinko liberal Europhiles towards Jeremic, Tadic and Kostunica the more I'm convinced of International Law on Serbia's side and the great job those guys are doing in the face of such adversity. Keep it up guys.

And by the way to our Swedish vistor Mr Karlsson, the present Serbian government has no links or lineage and and cannot be connected in any way to the actions of the previous regimes of Tito and Milosevic. Please cease this incessant broken record. You know what Goebbels said about repeating a lie too many times.

The reason Kosovo has independence is because the United States is building the largest European Military base since WW II there. Serb Leaders are talking Gibbish. That is the only reason Kosova is now a independent US/EU occupied country

Please cease this incessant broken record. You know what Goebbels said about repeating a lie too many times.
(Niall O'Doherty, 28 February 2008 23:23)

I will 2nd the motion and most people are sick and tired of the Albanian extremist lies that has been foolishly adopted by the US and some European countries.

If the US wants to uphold international justice, than it should be signatory to the International court which it is not.

Further, the Hague Tribunal which is nothing but a kangaroo court which has not even convicted Milosovic, not even in absentia.

The fact of the matter is that Hacim Thaci is a KLA terrorist and is the current leader of an illegal entity which is being supported by the US and it's so called coalition partners but with no mandate from the UN or the EU for that matter.

No amount of propoganda can cloud the truth.

I want to answer to Jeremic on two points he made
first:
"In fact, this is not a valid argument, since some very powerful people said in advance that Kosovo Albanians will get all they want, if only they do not concede an inch during the talks,"


Some not so powerful people wanted independence removed from the table so the natural answer is to remove all other options since a action gets a reaction.

Second

" Allow me to tell you this loud and clear: as long as Serbia is here, Kosovo will never be," Jeremić stressed.

I say that can be arranged.

Please enlighten me which "other solutions" did Serbia block?

Serbian politicians blocked ALL solutions and plans in which they had to contribute a constructive role. Your leaders crashed the Serbian future, although they knew exactly, how it will end. Now these guys blame the wall for the crash. Are they really paid for such blunder?

"Serbian politicians blocked ALL solutions and plans in which they had to contribute a constructive role."

Please, name and describe at least a couple of plans (which didn't suggest Kosovo independence) rejected by Serbia after 1999.

This is not what we worked for. We did not want to find ourselves in this situation, but here we are now," Jeremić told the meeting of regional leaders. "Serbia is no super power. We do not have at our disposal what some other have, but we do have justice, international law and common sense on our side,"

Absolutely wonderful comment, made me laugh my pants off, honestly, I have heard stories of officials of Serbia denying ever it did wrong in Kosovo but to actually sit there, at the table with many prominent diplomats and state that they did not want to find themselves in this situation, is unbelievable.

Well I guess it’s easy to be smart now knowing the end-game but if Serbia truly did not want to find itself in this position why then did it not respect international law during the 1990:s, but then again I guess that the universal declaration of human rights and article 3 “Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person” does not apply to Albanians, Bosnians, Croats, Slovens and so on...

I don’t know what Mr. Jeremic did during the 90s and even if he was old enough to stay up so late and watch the news, but I can say that TV in Sweden aired times after times horrible crimes committed in Bosnia, Croatia and Kosovo.

Being active in human rights organizations here in Sweden (taking note of countless human rights abuses in Serbia) it is my opinion that Serbia should refrain from using the International Law Card when trying to claim legitimacy of Kosovo, it will only bring up the same reaction it did when I read this article, disappointment of the lack of progress in facing responsibility for actions taken in Kosovo.

Yes all sides committed crimes in Kosovo, some more than others, some state-sponsored and systematic and some individual acts but international law is based on reciprocity. How can a state, not just Serbia, but in general, that has a history of not respecting international law, in this case human rights, demand that it is respected when it concerns its own interests?

I wish to tell Mr. Jeremic to face reality, Kosovo is not lost to Serbia, it is not on an isolated island, only difference now from before 99 is that one interesting principle is being applied, not codified in international law but nonetheless important and this is: “What goes around, comes around”

Not respecting international law will mean that others won’t respect international law (recognizing Kosovo despite Serbian opposition).

Enough with threats Mr. Jeremic!!
It's time for you to come to terms with reality and the actions of your governments in the past decade that brought us where we are today.

Remember that when the audience hears you talk about "Serbian Justice" the can't help but think about your arrogance.

Of course you have "justice, international law, common sense etc." Your country and people committed the worst crimes in Europe since the WWII. All in the name of international law, justice, and common sense. Kennedy School of Gov't should annul your degree, Mr. Jeremic.

First Kosovo/UNMIK and after some years Republic of Kosova/o.

Jeremic, and DS/DSS, are digging Serbia into a hole.

If Serbia wants to join the EU it will have to recognise Kosovo.

So why these histrionics? Who is he fooling?

Let's hope this is just some tough talk before a modus vivendi is reached.

Jeremic is trying to play the tough guy. Although he migh have studied in Western, he is imitating 1:1 his friend Larv-ov. Jeremic is young and this his chance to make the political career. But he should know better what is needed today to be a respectable politician instead of copying Kostunica or Putin. If he is an expert on international law, which I doubt, he should explain to his friends and his enemies if the violation of the human rights is part of the international law and part of the UNO Charta. If he and all his friends recognise this fact, then he and all the serbs implicated in the violation of the human rights in the Balkans esp. in Kosova shall moderate the tone and do not try to sell the card of the international law. I am convinced in one year this Jeremic will change his colour just to maintain the primadona of the Serbian foreign policy not matter who will govern Serbia. Just a remark to B92. A great job pushing discussions. I would very much appreciate if you could start an initiative to discuss about how to promote peace and understanding for the future generation in the region, because this generation is to much spoiled with mythology.

"some have decided to sacrifice the region's geo-strategic priorities of the 21st century at the alter of maximalist ethic aspirations belonging to the 19th century"

The above describes the Serb position perfectly.

Never, never, never! That's what they said abut independence too... this serbian rhetoric never changes, it's even more distressing that it is coming from an American educated Serb. That's shameful!

2 Suzana:
First - Kosovo/UNMIK and after short time Serbia again :-)

Instead of pointing on others, Mr. Vuk Jeremić better should give his chair for a more capable diplomat. For years he achieved no success in many international meetings - and he never contributed to a solution which would have been acceptable for Serbia as well as for the region. The LOGICAL RESULT of this "diplomacy" was Kosovos' declaration of independence. Mr. Jeremić and the whole Serbian government knew exactly, that this step will happen, if Serbia blocks any other solution. Therefore it is absolutely no shame for "third parties" like states or persons like me to support the decision of Kosovo, because this decision was provokated by Serbia.

I want to answer to Jeremic on two points he made
first:
"In fact, this is not a valid argument, since some very powerful people said in advance that Kosovo Albanians will get all they want, if only they do not concede an inch during the talks,"


Some not so powerful people wanted independence removed from the table so the natural answer is to remove all other options since a action gets a reaction.

Second

" Allow me to tell you this loud and clear: as long as Serbia is here, Kosovo will never be," Jeremić stressed.

I say that can be arranged.

Please enlighten me which "other solutions" did Serbia block?

Serbian politicians blocked ALL solutions and plans in which they had to contribute a constructive role. Your leaders crashed the Serbian future, although they knew exactly, how it will end. Now these guys blame the wall for the crash. Are they really paid for such blunder?

Mr Vuk Jeremic why did you did you ask and bagged kosovan albanian delegetion not to declare independence of Kosovo before election are held in Serbia? You know very well why and please tell to your people and be honest for once please. Stop lying to Serbian people please.

@(Gashi, 28 February 2008 17:05)

"Your country and people committed the worst crimes in Europe since the WWII"

If past actions from an country is an valid argumjent to withhold international justice today, then we should revoke independence from Albania, Germany, Austria and give those country's to their victems off WW2.

Due to communismn Albania has never paid for theire commited crimes is WW2, seems that justice still has to be done.

P.S.
Croatia is allready facing criminal charges over WW2 by it's victims.

jeremic is clever, passionate and right, but he is just the good cop tadic is offering to the Serbian public, to convince us that they will not sell our country down the river, the ds that is. wont work. ds needs a good few years in opposition now, to reassess things in peace and see where they take it from there. and to learn the most basic thing there is in politics: there is alternative to everything, and most certainly to ds.

Mr. Jeremić and the whole Serbian government knew exactly, that this step will happen, if Serbia blocks any other solution.

rolerkoster

Please enlighten me which "other solutions" did Serbia block?

I am pleased that the independence declaration is not so much of a 'done deal' at this stage as I thought it would be. It will take a long time for anything to change - the UN/EU etc., are going to have to prop up an implausible state for a long time, while Serbia will still remain partially active in its governance within the province.

The legality argument is lost for the EU unless the UN gives it the go ahead its status will remain open to question.

Serbia has right and legality on its side. I think several states that have recognised Kosovo have done it 'with regret' and will still acknowledge Serbia's case. With Milosevic gone, Serbia is losing its pariah status. The longer term will show the the US etc., have done wrong by democratic Serbia and created an unnecessary unresolved mess for a long time yet.

The reason Kosovo has independence is because the United States is building the largest European Military base since WW II there. Serb Leaders are talking Gibbish. That is the only reason Kosova is now a independent US/EU occupied country

You know, the more vitrol and scorn that is poured from 'Team Kosova' and the pinko liberal Europhiles towards Jeremic, Tadic and Kostunica the more I'm convinced of International Law on Serbia's side and the great job those guys are doing in the face of such adversity. Keep it up guys.

And by the way to our Swedish vistor Mr Karlsson, the present Serbian government has no links or lineage and and cannot be connected in any way to the actions of the previous regimes of Tito and Milosevic. Please cease this incessant broken record. You know what Goebbels said about repeating a lie too many times.

Please cease this incessant broken record. You know what Goebbels said about repeating a lie too many times.
(Niall O'Doherty, 28 February 2008 23:23)

I will 2nd the motion and most people are sick and tired of the Albanian extremist lies that has been foolishly adopted by the US and some European countries.

If the US wants to uphold international justice, than it should be signatory to the International court which it is not.

Further, the Hague Tribunal which is nothing but a kangaroo court which has not even convicted Milosovic, not even in absentia.

The fact of the matter is that Hacim Thaci is a KLA terrorist and is the current leader of an illegal entity which is being supported by the US and it's so called coalition partners but with no mandate from the UN or the EU for that matter.

No amount of propoganda can cloud the truth.

"Serbian politicians blocked ALL solutions and plans in which they had to contribute a constructive role."

Please, name and describe at least a couple of plans (which didn't suggest Kosovo independence) rejected by Serbia after 1999.