"Partition would subject Serbs to violence"

nothing will be partitioned, because all of it is Serbia.

if some stupids should dare to use violence... and the NATO-occupiers do not interfere, Serbia will know what to do.

it´s that simple.

The Albanians having their illusion of being a state, UNSC 1244 still in effect, and the Kosovo-issue only a question of time, to be reintegrated.

let´s see what future brings.

Why is she talking up partition?

Samardžić was very clear that Serbia will continue to enhance its rightful place throughtout all of its province. That goes without question for all throughout the entire province. Rada must direct such fears to the UN and NATO who are duty bound to quell the 'physical abuse' attacks - more so now then ever!

Moreover, Serbia will step up the programme for returns once it ensures full security through its efforts. Given that the UNMIK have failed appalingly in this task!

When the EU INLEX (lawlss) mission without UN sanction acts what else does the UN expect other then an equal and opposite reaction in the coming months!!!

There will be no partition of Serbia what so ever be it 15, 5 or 1%! What may occur is the partition of 'governance' - ethnic-Albanians being dictated to by the EU INLEX (lawless) mission while all others prefer to carry on as they always were fully integrated within the legitamate Serbian Government as is their right and this cannot be denied by the EU.

Lets be clear the territorial integrity of Serbia is not to be partitioned and will not be - that will require force and NATO and EU have said they would not use force!

good sign that the independence plunge did not go well at all, albanians threaten again. now that bears are upset too, it might be a bit harder for the western sages to deliver again and appease albanians. oh, it was a -vic that was speaking, i know, but it makes no difference. it was really albanians. 'we will kill you if you dont give us what we want'. well tell you what. tell it to the bear now.

Partition has existed for decades. You have those loyal to Serbia and those that are not.

However, that in no way changes the territorial integrity of Serbia which is guaranteed by 1244 and international law.

Not much has really changed since the annulment of the UDI expect that the Serbs in Kosovo are now in a position to strenghten their political ties with Belgrade and the Albanians will soon be ruled by the EU.

The EUs purpose seems to be to weed out corruption and to pacify the Albanians. This, I suspect, will take 10, 15 or even 20 years but is risky.

There may come a point where the Albanians can start to look after themselves but will be restricted by the political and legal situation. No EU membership being one so they will inevitably come back to the negotiating table for a final solution with Serbia.

I suspect the solution will be some kind of grey line showing Kosovo as part of Serbia but also recognising the Albanian structures and giving it some kind of international representation and legitimacy.

Serbs should not be afraid of violence. The task of KFOR is to protect serbs. If they fail to do this they should move out and let serbian military restore piece on serbian territory. While they are at it, arrest the wanted criminals in Pristina who have threatened national security by this futile, pseudo-independence move.

shala
i know that 19 countries have recognized this abomination, some of them severely arm twisted first :) and i also know none of them will invest a cent in this fake.
in essence, that’s what i mean by saying, its not going well.
but that's the at end of the not-well road for kosovo. no actual international recognition, just bilateral ones. no un, no osce, no coe, no eu. no investment. and an extremely, extremely volatile security situation right now.
more immediately what i mean is, what do you think will happen with the north?
what will those that recognized do when north is the first chunk to go?
why do you think we gave russians nis and we'll give them more?
do some adding up please,
and face the reality. this newborned :) abomination will stay in the icu forever.
in the end, maybe with the change in the white house, since i don’t think that the architects of the iraq disaster will have the brains to admit their mistakes in the kosovo disaster, we will be back at the negotiating table. to see how to sort out the mess.
the mess in the making, that is.
oh and about polish people.. well there are actually people in this world who support serbs. nations who know our history, who have cooperated with us, fought world wars along with us, with whom we have strong ties, and so on. but it seems to me no people supports albanians. some governments, sure. but no people.

"good sign that the independence plunge did not go well at all, " (smile)

I think its going pretty well. Some people keep denying the reality but Kosovo is getting recognized by more countries every day.

Today it got recognized by Poland, even tho I remeber a while ago some suggesting that Poland won't recognize Kosovo.

There is a short extract from a Polish news site below.

"The Polish Council of Ministers has acknowledged Kosovo as an independent state.



The recommendation for the recognition was presented by Poland’s Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski. The Ministers decided in favour of recognising Kosovo, despite President Lech Kaczynski’s opposition, who fears a wake of separatism in Europe.



The Cabinet’s decision is supported by more than a half of Poles, a poll by SMG/KRC reveals. As many as 56 percent of the respondents supported the recognition of Kosovo’s independence.



Only 23 percent disapproved of the government’s decision. Twenty one percent of the respondents didn’t have a fixed opinion on the matter."

So much for Polish people supporting Serbia.

Serbia 88,361 km²
Kosovo 10,887 km²
So Kosovo is 8.11% of Serbia. Is that something secret? NO. It is out there and none can hide it.
How come all Serbs including high rank people are saying the “By making Kosovo independent, Westerns are taking 15% of Serbian territory”
First, it is not 15% but just 8.11%. I understand Serbs thinking that if something is gone the loss is calculated double. So is better to say 16.22% then 15.5 %. Isn’t that fair?
Second, Serbian government maybe know that there are other areas that people in Republic of Serbia don’t want to live with Serbs, so they calculated another 6-7% loss, maybe Preseva Valley. This would be the best peaceful solution if Serbian government considers that. Nobody is asking for but since they calculated 15%.

Maks,

Please improve your mathematics.

Using your figures (which I assume are from wikipedia - and where the figure for Serbis includes kosovo):

Percentage = area of Kosovo/area of Serbia x 100
=10887/88361 x 100
=12.3 %

Less than 15% admittedly, but I'm not sure of the validity of your figures.

Princip,

He is talking about the dept for two reasons:
1. to prove to Albanians that they are uncapable of leading the country without Serbia - they do not know how it is to run a country under deficit.
2. To drown their idological ideas of milk & honey as soon as possible.
3. To prove to the countries who have agreed to this abomination that the only thing they have managed to do is to add another Europian begger country to the wide spectrum of the Middle-East ones.

Has everyone been living under a rock or are you all just ignorant of the fact that violence among Serbs has occurred all week?
Furthermore, to some who question its importance, the very act of recognition defines Kosovo as a state among equals. Nineteen states have thus far recognized the legality of Kosovo as a state and its sovereign immunity.

Less than 15% admittedly, but I'm not sure of the validity of your figures.
(Bruce, 26 February 2008 21:58)

I hope he is not elected to Finance Minister under the illegal EU protectorate Kosovo.

No need to partition. Daytonize the region. One administrative entity, two confederate governments: one Albanian, one Serb. The region is barely legal as it is, so we might as well start compromising before things get really out of hand.

Princip

being very active in comments with your analyses in every issue related to Kosova, even though your views are very radical, how would you comment the your minister who said that Serbia will not be paying debts of Kosova. My view is that minister with this statement Serbia has reconised Kosova as Independent country. After all you if Kosova was part of Serbia than debts would not be separated as it is the case. So Dinkic, Thank you

Why does this article say "Partition would subject Serbs to violence." Isn't what the Serbs have done in the last week considered "Violence." The whole world has witnessed the Serbs burning foreign Embassies in Belgrade. I suppose the Serbs have a perfectly clear explanation for this violence: It was really Albanians dressed up as Serbs creating all the havoc and destruction in downtown Belgrade. Yes, that's it!
How do young Serbs expect civilized Europe ever to issue visas after witnessing this ugly scene. Even the English hooligans are better behaved than those Serb rioters that every polite European saw on their television screens every day this week. I'm afraid the Serbs have shot themselves in the foot yet again. Would any decent European wish to allow such brutish behavior by Serbs in their respective countries! I know I wouldn't.

Fortunately, KFOR has Northern Mitrovica under lock and key. No one will be allowed into Kosova without being carefully screened.

Bruce,

Based on the two land areas given, your calculation is perfectly correct i.e. 12.3%. I think Maks needs some one-to-one assistance with his elementary mathematics.

"Princip

being very active in comments with your analyses in every issue related to Kosova, even though your views are very radical, how would you comment the your minister who said that Serbia will not be paying debts of Kosova. My view is that minister with this statement Serbia has reconised Kosova as Independent country. After all you if Kosova was part of Serbia than debts would not be separated as it is the case. So Dinkic, Thank you
(Olf, 26 February 2008 18:44)"

Olf, you are being naive. Belgrade can stop paying Pristina's debt and still claim sovereignty over Kosovo. No government will be so stupid as to pay a rival government's debts.

China claims Taiwan but I can tell you Beijing doesn't pay one cent of Taiwan's expenses. The same applies to Cyprus -- Nicosia doesn't pay the north's expenditure but still maintain its claim over North Cyprus. You get the picture now I hope.

"good sign that the independence plunge did not go well at all, " (smile)

I think its going pretty well. Some people keep denying the reality but Kosovo is getting recognized by more countries every day.

Today it got recognized by Poland, even tho I remeber a while ago some suggesting that Poland won't recognize Kosovo.

There is a short extract from a Polish news site below.

"The Polish Council of Ministers has acknowledged Kosovo as an independent state.



The recommendation for the recognition was presented by Poland’s Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski. The Ministers decided in favour of recognising Kosovo, despite President Lech Kaczynski’s opposition, who fears a wake of separatism in Europe.



The Cabinet’s decision is supported by more than a half of Poles, a poll by SMG/KRC reveals. As many as 56 percent of the respondents supported the recognition of Kosovo’s independence.



Only 23 percent disapproved of the government’s decision. Twenty one percent of the respondents didn’t have a fixed opinion on the matter."

So much for Polish people supporting Serbia.

Serbia 88,361 km²
Kosovo 10,887 km²
So Kosovo is 8.11% of Serbia. Is that something secret? NO. It is out there and none can hide it.
How come all Serbs including high rank people are saying the “By making Kosovo independent, Westerns are taking 15% of Serbian territory”
First, it is not 15% but just 8.11%. I understand Serbs thinking that if something is gone the loss is calculated double. So is better to say 16.22% then 15.5 %. Isn’t that fair?
Second, Serbian government maybe know that there are other areas that people in Republic of Serbia don’t want to live with Serbs, so they calculated another 6-7% loss, maybe Preseva Valley. This would be the best peaceful solution if Serbian government considers that. Nobody is asking for but since they calculated 15%.

Has everyone been living under a rock or are you all just ignorant of the fact that violence among Serbs has occurred all week?
Furthermore, to some who question its importance, the very act of recognition defines Kosovo as a state among equals. Nineteen states have thus far recognized the legality of Kosovo as a state and its sovereign immunity.

Princip

being very active in comments with your analyses in every issue related to Kosova, even though your views are very radical, how would you comment the your minister who said that Serbia will not be paying debts of Kosova. My view is that minister with this statement Serbia has reconised Kosova as Independent country. After all you if Kosova was part of Serbia than debts would not be separated as it is the case. So Dinkic, Thank you

Why is she talking up partition?

Samardžić was very clear that Serbia will continue to enhance its rightful place throughtout all of its province. That goes without question for all throughout the entire province. Rada must direct such fears to the UN and NATO who are duty bound to quell the 'physical abuse' attacks - more so now then ever!

Moreover, Serbia will step up the programme for returns once it ensures full security through its efforts. Given that the UNMIK have failed appalingly in this task!

When the EU INLEX (lawlss) mission without UN sanction acts what else does the UN expect other then an equal and opposite reaction in the coming months!!!

There will be no partition of Serbia what so ever be it 15, 5 or 1%! What may occur is the partition of 'governance' - ethnic-Albanians being dictated to by the EU INLEX (lawless) mission while all others prefer to carry on as they always were fully integrated within the legitamate Serbian Government as is their right and this cannot be denied by the EU.

Lets be clear the territorial integrity of Serbia is not to be partitioned and will not be - that will require force and NATO and EU have said they would not use force!

nothing will be partitioned, because all of it is Serbia.

if some stupids should dare to use violence... and the NATO-occupiers do not interfere, Serbia will know what to do.

it´s that simple.

The Albanians having their illusion of being a state, UNSC 1244 still in effect, and the Kosovo-issue only a question of time, to be reintegrated.

let´s see what future brings.

Serbs should not be afraid of violence. The task of KFOR is to protect serbs. If they fail to do this they should move out and let serbian military restore piece on serbian territory. While they are at it, arrest the wanted criminals in Pristina who have threatened national security by this futile, pseudo-independence move.

Princip,

He is talking about the dept for two reasons:
1. to prove to Albanians that they are uncapable of leading the country without Serbia - they do not know how it is to run a country under deficit.
2. To drown their idological ideas of milk & honey as soon as possible.
3. To prove to the countries who have agreed to this abomination that the only thing they have managed to do is to add another Europian begger country to the wide spectrum of the Middle-East ones.

good sign that the independence plunge did not go well at all, albanians threaten again. now that bears are upset too, it might be a bit harder for the western sages to deliver again and appease albanians. oh, it was a -vic that was speaking, i know, but it makes no difference. it was really albanians. 'we will kill you if you dont give us what we want'. well tell you what. tell it to the bear now.

Partition has existed for decades. You have those loyal to Serbia and those that are not.

However, that in no way changes the territorial integrity of Serbia which is guaranteed by 1244 and international law.

Not much has really changed since the annulment of the UDI expect that the Serbs in Kosovo are now in a position to strenghten their political ties with Belgrade and the Albanians will soon be ruled by the EU.

The EUs purpose seems to be to weed out corruption and to pacify the Albanians. This, I suspect, will take 10, 15 or even 20 years but is risky.

There may come a point where the Albanians can start to look after themselves but will be restricted by the political and legal situation. No EU membership being one so they will inevitably come back to the negotiating table for a final solution with Serbia.

I suspect the solution will be some kind of grey line showing Kosovo as part of Serbia but also recognising the Albanian structures and giving it some kind of international representation and legitimacy.

No need to partition. Daytonize the region. One administrative entity, two confederate governments: one Albanian, one Serb. The region is barely legal as it is, so we might as well start compromising before things get really out of hand.

shala
i know that 19 countries have recognized this abomination, some of them severely arm twisted first :) and i also know none of them will invest a cent in this fake.
in essence, that’s what i mean by saying, its not going well.
but that's the at end of the not-well road for kosovo. no actual international recognition, just bilateral ones. no un, no osce, no coe, no eu. no investment. and an extremely, extremely volatile security situation right now.
more immediately what i mean is, what do you think will happen with the north?
what will those that recognized do when north is the first chunk to go?
why do you think we gave russians nis and we'll give them more?
do some adding up please,
and face the reality. this newborned :) abomination will stay in the icu forever.
in the end, maybe with the change in the white house, since i don’t think that the architects of the iraq disaster will have the brains to admit their mistakes in the kosovo disaster, we will be back at the negotiating table. to see how to sort out the mess.
the mess in the making, that is.
oh and about polish people.. well there are actually people in this world who support serbs. nations who know our history, who have cooperated with us, fought world wars along with us, with whom we have strong ties, and so on. but it seems to me no people supports albanians. some governments, sure. but no people.

Maks,

Please improve your mathematics.

Using your figures (which I assume are from wikipedia - and where the figure for Serbis includes kosovo):

Percentage = area of Kosovo/area of Serbia x 100
=10887/88361 x 100
=12.3 %

Less than 15% admittedly, but I'm not sure of the validity of your figures.

Less than 15% admittedly, but I'm not sure of the validity of your figures.
(Bruce, 26 February 2008 21:58)

I hope he is not elected to Finance Minister under the illegal EU protectorate Kosovo.

Bruce,

Based on the two land areas given, your calculation is perfectly correct i.e. 12.3%. I think Maks needs some one-to-one assistance with his elementary mathematics.

Why does this article say "Partition would subject Serbs to violence." Isn't what the Serbs have done in the last week considered "Violence." The whole world has witnessed the Serbs burning foreign Embassies in Belgrade. I suppose the Serbs have a perfectly clear explanation for this violence: It was really Albanians dressed up as Serbs creating all the havoc and destruction in downtown Belgrade. Yes, that's it!
How do young Serbs expect civilized Europe ever to issue visas after witnessing this ugly scene. Even the English hooligans are better behaved than those Serb rioters that every polite European saw on their television screens every day this week. I'm afraid the Serbs have shot themselves in the foot yet again. Would any decent European wish to allow such brutish behavior by Serbs in their respective countries! I know I wouldn't.

Fortunately, KFOR has Northern Mitrovica under lock and key. No one will be allowed into Kosova without being carefully screened.

"Princip

being very active in comments with your analyses in every issue related to Kosova, even though your views are very radical, how would you comment the your minister who said that Serbia will not be paying debts of Kosova. My view is that minister with this statement Serbia has reconised Kosova as Independent country. After all you if Kosova was part of Serbia than debts would not be separated as it is the case. So Dinkic, Thank you
(Olf, 26 February 2008 18:44)"

Olf, you are being naive. Belgrade can stop paying Pristina's debt and still claim sovereignty over Kosovo. No government will be so stupid as to pay a rival government's debts.

China claims Taiwan but I can tell you Beijing doesn't pay one cent of Taiwan's expenses. The same applies to Cyprus -- Nicosia doesn't pay the north's expenditure but still maintain its claim over North Cyprus. You get the picture now I hope.