Koštunica calls on U.S. to annul Kosovo decision

Serbia should set it's FUTURE course on the premise that it will never be a member of the European Union. Look at the recent chain of events.
Serbia was always so close on the SAA and the EU CLUB MEMBERSHIP agreement. Each time that AGREEMENT WAS RESCINDED, knowing full well that Serbia had met all criteria to qualify. What disturbs me is in the fact the EU, UN, NATO and the IC
all orchrestrated the Declaration of Albanian Independence.
Therefore, Serbia was never and it will never be joining the EU Club. Membership.

He would have better supported Nikolic instead being "neutral" at the elections. Unless there's a monolith of Serb elite and the people you have no chance to change the situation.
When in the critical moment Tadic travels abroad it means the Serbs have no leader to head their struggle.
The Serbs has made their choice during the elections. They have voted for the neo Jinjic to bring them to the EU. So there's no use blaming America. They will not change their attitude otherwise they are forced to.
Inside the EU there are weak chains to be attacked. One of them is Germany. The Serbs should stress upon German revenge for the strong Serb resistance during WW2. The Serbs should ask for modern armaments from Russia ect. But before they have to change their leader. They need a president who cares only of what the Serbs think and do but not of what the Western chiefs will say.

A response to the US Ambassador to Serbia

It seems to me that US Ambassador to Serbia, Cameron Munter, is emerging as the next George W. Bush wannabe. At least, his most recent public comments and his utterly flawed logic put the two men in the same "bullish, arrogant and unreasonable" camp. Ambassador Munter criticised Serbian leaders, who suggested that the recent riots in Belgrade were a "legitimate" form of protest over Kosovo's declaration of independence, telling The Associated Press that "That kind of incendiary language ... is not only wrong but it is an embarrassment, and it is leading further to the diplomatic isolation of Serbia…". It sounds to me like Ambassador Munter is talking about the US government, not the Serbian one. It is the US government who are at fault here, and the US government who is an embarassment. In its overwhelming support of the independence of Kosovo, in the absence of a UN madate, the US government has effectively attacked Serbia, violated Serbian sovereignity, broken international law (again) and ignored the United Nations (again).
Now, we all agree that the riots were in poor form, but what exactly did the US government expect of the Serbs? Clap Ambassador Munter on the back, and say, "Good job, Ambassador!"? Ambassador Munter needs to be a little cleverer. What would the US have done if New Mexico declared indepedence? We are quick to forget that the US illegally invaded and now occupies Iraq, a country that was "legitimately" (funny how that word comes up again) attacked because its weapons of mass destruction were a threat to US national security. It's a pity that we never found any…
Ambassador Munter should tone down his rhetoric, which is a little too similar to his President's. I appreciate Ambassador Munter's anger at his embassy being torched, I would have felt the same way. But when he said, "It had better not happen again", it was a little too much. It was the US who broke the law here, and it is the US who are at fault. And it is the US who have long ago lost the moral highground to dictate any orders to the Serbs (or anybody else for that matter) about what the Serbs do in their own country.

Rory E. Morty
Giessen, Germany

Another Canadian Serb:

you have made a mistake:

it is a declaration of Dependence.

you should not forget that.

and the US won´t stay forever in the balkans.
that is for sure.

Actually, Kostunica is quite correct on what he says here.

As things stand, the US has behaved terribly towards democratic Serbia and quite obviously gone against what was signed up for in 1244.

If the EU and US had put their weight behind proper negotiations instead of taking sides there could quite easily have been a conclusion that was legal and within the terms of 1244.
Democratic Serbia has acted in good faith over 1244 but the EU and the US have not.

Kosovo is still a province of Serbia and that will not change.

Unfortunately the West have put Serbia on a spot - Serbia will suffer because of it, but I don't think it will retreat.

The West should have taken better account of the people of Serbia.

PM just does not get it. That decission will never be revoked by US and all other countries that has recognized Kosova so far. As far as thanking other countries that has not recognized yet, we just have to see in the next coming days for more shuking suprises t come.

Now America will give up from Kostunica's Pressure and will annul the recognition of Kosova's Independence.
Of course Kostunica is joking with himself about this.

@(Another Canadian Serb, 24 February 2008 13:31)

"Therefore, Serbia was never and it will never be joining the EU Club. Membership."

True, but only will Serbia never get acces, neither will croatia, bosnia, Albania, turkije, or any other country that aspires acces to the EU.

The Majority off the country's are allready against more members, and even an bigger majority of EU citizens feel that 27 is allready way to big.

As we speak here in the Netherlands political parties that are against more members is gaining an momentum, there is an Anti EU motion going.

So all the promises made by the EU politicians are lies and hollow promises, they cannot decide who get's to join or who doesn't join, that's up to the member states, and more and more member states are against more members.

As for the SAA goes, that's just an easy way for the EU to get an Non-EU member to reform theire economie so EU corporations can easily buy forgein company's very cheap.

As for Kosovo's wish to join the EU, well let me make this very clear, there's is NO will, neither will there ever be an Muslim country going to be in the EU, the vast majority of the EU citicens are opposed to that idea.

So Croatia, Bosnia, Serbia, Montenegro and other states put youre unrealistic dreams of joining the EU in the fridge, it ain't gonna happen for at least another 50 years.

To those who think its funny.

There is no right in what the EU and the US have done.

There is nothing funny about them ignoring the will of the Serbian people.

They could have negotiated properly but instead took sides. That's bad.

The matter is not closed by any means.

That is what we call "WISHFUL THINKING".
That will never happen.
Kostunica should step down and leave Serbia, since sooner or later him and his DSS cronies will face the justice of Serbian people.
As far as suggestions of getting mofern armaments, dont forget, there is something called NATO that nobody in the world will intimifate. You know why?
There is something called USA that stands behind.

Kosovo is a part of the national Serb identity. Changing the political map will not change that. If Pristina's secession was complete then there would be no Pristiner's here on the forums still arguing for Kosovo's secession.

Unilateral acts are not universally accepted.

Kostunica just wants to save his political skin. His nationalistic fondamentalism will never get him and people behind him anywhere. He is making politiacal enimies everyday with his policies. He the very last one who can talk peace even if he dreams and swearing "compliance with the international law".

Ahmet, I think it's you and your band of merry men which will have the shocks in the coming days;

Joe, for every person the US has saved globally through its foreign policies 1,000 others have died... when are you going to take responsibility for the hatred that 70% of this planet has for your people and government? It, amongst countless other problems around the world is responsible;

As a Serb born in London I've always thought that one of the biggest problems to face Belgrade and her people is that whilst most, if not all Serbs see themselves as Europeans, the rest of the world - particularly the West, does not.

I've always thought that one can be educated, intelligent, cultured, etc. and NOT from the West...

Where do I start?

Allan,
They say "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing". If you had delved a little deeper into your legal studies you might have discovered that Serbia is the legal successor state to Yugoslavia. In other words, any treaties and legal agreements that formerly applied to Yugoslavia now apply to Serbia. Ok?

uli,
If as much as a stray US bullet lands on Serbian soil you'll be waking up to a massive global conflict. Wanna chance it?

Joe,
We're all quaking in our boots.

"The United States of America must annul the decision to recognize a false state on the territory of Serbia"

-And Serbia is in a position to tell the US what it MUST do?

It is clear that there is doubt within the EU about the legality of their actions in Kosovo.

I note that the EU commissioner has said that he 'situation has changed' as a justification for the EU going into Kosovo outside of the terms of 1244.

I think that this could be a good argument for other powers to go in too - say Serbia and Russian - to ensure that 1244 is fully complied with. 1244 requires autonomy for Kosovo, and any power that enforced autonomy would be acting legally within 1244.

It is interesting to review whether 1244 bound Serbia for all time, or to what extent it is merely transitional.

I think it is quite clear that most of 1244 is about a transitional arrangement. It is also clear that in the view of the IC that transition is now over because of their acceptance of the current 'political settlement' (sic).

I would argue that while this means the IC still has obligations under 1244, it also means that Serbia is now freed of its obligations because it has fully fulfilled them and the situation is now beyond the scope of the resolution.

I suspect that it is now legal for democratic Serbia to assert itself far more fully in Kosovo. At the very least, I think that now leaves more space for new politics and proactive action on the part of Serbia.

To another Canadian Serb, the voice of reason is speaking in Canada, as well. For a little balance, please read this: http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=e89f6b8d-6e99-4afa-bbac-7fe2826c1287. Marcus Gee also had a good column in the Globe recently. There are some educated opinions in Canada.

@(Joe, 24 February 2008 20:07)

'After the burning of our embassy Serbia for us became in many way a rogue country like Iran. It is very, very "unfavourable" to be on the list of rogue countries"

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And with rogue country's you mean country's that don't comply with the US wishes.

Well let me tell you something, i really felt sorry for all the New Yorkers when 9/11 happend, but when i read comments like yours all off the time, ignorant, arrogant and most off all just plain warmongering i start to sympathise with the 9/11 culprits and theire motivs.

I still really feel sorry for all of the innocent lives lost in 9/11, but Joe, you are the prototype american which the world starts to hate more and more.

You ain't doing the US an favour by conferming the picture most people have of the 'common' US citizen.

it has crossed my mind reading comments yesterday to that other article that says this same thing, that our albanians are now worried.

Kostunica nor the Serbian people expect the US to annul recognition but I see this as standard legal process.

Demand the annulment first and then proceed with legal action.

Make sense?

@(Trublloni, 24 February 2008 15:54)

I'm talking about an Muslim country, not about the muslims that are living in an country with an christian majority.

An muslim countryin the EU is simply NEVER gonna happen,one off the major reason for the dutch to say NO to the EU constitution was the fact that they didn't want Turkey joing the EU (to which the Netherlands would loose it's Veto due to that constitution, then the EU politicians could decide to allow turkey in, but that route has been blocked for good.)

It's more likely that Russia would join the EU than an Muslim country, and i ain't seeing Russia joining the EU in the next 500 Years.

Once you become an enemy of US, they will never ever take you seriuos. Take my advice and stop waisting your "calls" on Americans. You made sure ppl burned down their embassy, for that they will hit you back sooner or later. Kosovo Independence has just given them a reason to tell their people why they choosed the other side and whole world could se how many American flag were waving in the streets of Pristina.

Swede,
Your observation is very correct. After the burning of our embassy Serbia for us became in many way a rogue country like Iran. It is very, very "unfavourable" to be on the list of rogue countries.

@Jovan & Bob
If the US cancels the recognition of Serbia first, then there might be a likelihood that they could do for Kosovo the same. If you are living in Saturn, Venus or Jupiter is something else BUT this is planet earth where never happened in the history that a country recognises a country for a week then cancels it later...heed your comments and FACE THE REALITY

Surely Kostunica must be dreaming I don't know what else should I call his statement.What does US look to you. It's the greatest superpower the world ever had and it's putting in place the justice.

I don’t understand why they keep going on and on about the resolution 1244.
In there it doesn’t mention that Kosovo is part of Serbia or it doesn’t mention Serbia at all. Agreement has been done under the name of Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, so now the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia doesn’t exists and the resolution 1244 its powerless.

Go and read the resolution 1244 and than comment in here

http://daccessdds.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N99/172/89/PDF/N9917289.pdf?OpenElement

All readers who are interested in the Balkans. Please see attached site for what is being published in Canada.
www.torontosun.com/News/Columnists/Margolis_Eric/2008/02/24/4872343-sun.php

Forget Kosovo now, look your economy and your state, your people pf serbia needs better life ,, work for better serbia and forget Kosovo.

For a more educated Canadian media view on the situation, I point you to this editorial in the Ottawa Citizen:

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/opinion/story.html?id=32b1a951-15cf-4193-bff5-af0cb5d3fa90&p=1

Between Mr Bissett and (Ret) Gen Lewis McKenzie, I'm happy to see some people on that side of the ocean seeing things for what they really are.

By reading his latest statement you get the impression that Vojo is not from this planet. I think even Milosevic was more realistic and definely more cunning. He caused a lot of damage to Serbia. I think Kostunica doesn't want to stay far behind him. With clumsiness and provocations he will hurt Serbia badly in the near future.

For the sake of FREEDOM and DEMOCRACY:

Serbia, NEVER (!) ACCEPT KOSOVO INDEPENDENCE!

This issue is much more important than Kosovo itself.

In Holland a big majority is against Kosovo independence. Stay on course. Never give up!

With politicians like Kostunica, who needs Milosevic ? Friday's attack on the U.S and other embassies goes to show just how far Serbia has NOT come since 2000 - and this is very very sad.

You have all heard of Ali Barber and the 40 thieves well it looks like the Sherrif and his deputies need the Texas rangers to come and sort them out and bring some truth and integrity back to the good old USA, The hole that they are digging is getting deeper and deepper and more and more fools are clambering to follow.
Mirror Mirror on the wall aint the USA the greatest of them all.
Could it be that the Americans really dont know who their friends are or who their enamies are, maybe its just one big conspiracy to create world turmoil so that America falls in one big heap and Big Brother is just waiting on the side lines waiting to pounce. Think about it ?????????

Josipe,

"… Serbian government and unfortunately people too are not even capable to respect and live with other nations and nationalities that already live on territory of Serbia and Vojvodina…"

Really funny to hear a Croat lecturing Serbs about tolerance to the minorities?! Are you aware of the fact that Serbia is most ethnically diverse of all countries of ex YU? Despite everything what happened, numbers of minorities in Serbia didn't significantly change before, during and after the wars. Serbia also has biggest number of refuges in Europe, one million Serbs, victims of Croatian, Bosnian Muslims and Kosovo Albanian extremists. What's the situation In Croatia?

"…Kosovo, because it has nothing to do with Serbia anymore. Except it, move on …."

Yeah, right, like Croats excepted Krajina…. What do you think, how does your "friendly advise" sounds to the hundreds of thousands of Serb refuges from Kosovo? Kosovo has everything to do with a Serbs http://www.kosovo.net/mones.html


"….In EU as I said we will all live together, concentrate on that…."

Somehow, I don't believe it. If Americans and friends really just want to create one big happy European family, they would handle all this issue very differently. Wouldn't it be much easier to respect Serbia's territorial integrity and simply accept it in the EU? That would defuse hole situation as borders, rights of the minorities and similar problems would loose any significance. Fact that they choose to go through all this trouble instead, speaks volumes. They have other plans. "Project for the New American Century", Zbigniew Brzeziñski, ring the bells? They singled Serbs out for annihilation with a reason. Among other things they see us as a sort of surrogate Russians. They can test on us what they hope to do to Russians in the near future. Before they move on Russia they need to destroy any possible Russian ally.

"…And for your sake, don’t support the politicians that brought you in this situation;…"

Any chance that HDZ loose support any time soon?

"… Kostunica is a joke…"

He is just doing what is his most important duty, protecting territorial integrity of his country. Considering circumstances, he's been very good at it, so far.

"…Serbia…war crimes…denial…exception."

Croatians didn't yet come to terms with horrible war crimes their extremists committed in the Second World War, not to mention this last one. So, it sounds bit hollow when they lecture Serbs.

“As for Kosovo's wish to join the EU, well let me make this very clear, there's is NO will, neither will there ever be an Muslim country going to be in the EU, the vast majority of the EU citicens are opposed to that idea.

So Croatia, Bosnia, Serbia, Montenegro and other states put youre unrealistic dreams of joining the EU in the fridge, it ain't gonna happen for at least another 50 years.”
(Ronald, 24 February 2008 15:03)


- Just for your information Ronald; there are more Muslims in UK, France and Germany than in the Balkans. It’s people like you that want to make the EU look like some sort of Christian Club.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4385768.stm

This is whats going to happen. I have heard and i can see it happen that Serbia is going to be bombed again from USA and Nato. This is going to happen in the next month. THey will sign a piece agreement with Tadic where he does regognize Kosova. If you dont believe me just watch. Another attack on American embassy and it is over.

Ronald

By calling Croatia a Muslim state you said more than enough not to be taken seriously, sorry but that is a very incorrect statement. Croatia will become a part of EU, sort of speak it already is.

Serbia needs to completely change its mentality, not to talk about the economy, infrastructure, education, etc. Serbia is not even close to joint the EU. EU is the union of the nations that work and live together. Serbian government and unfortunately people too are not even capable to respect and live with other nations and nationalities that already live on territory of Serbia and Vojvodina. I did not mention Kosovo, because it has nothing to do with Serbia anymore. Except it, move on. In EU as I said we will all live together, concentrate on that. And for your sake, don’t support the politicians that brought you in this situation; Kostunica is a joke. Serbia committed war crimes in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo. Think about it! Don’t run toward denial but toward exception.

Josip
regarding your statement
"Serbia committed war crimes in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo"
are you talking about the war in 1389.

Tom O'Donoghue:

don´t you find it funny that time and again, some clueless albanian teenager writes the same nonsense, about Yugoslavia doesn´t exitst anymore, so UNSC 1244 is not binding...? =)

I mean, by now, everyone will have learned about legals successorship... but, it doesn´t count... they still try to play that more than cheap propaganda-card...as they have been told in their albanian-yellow-press.

even if they use english nicknames...you can identify them by that ineffective attempt to mislead...

if anybody is interested in the truth here it is from a neutral party. an ex UN general.
http://www.kosovo.net/news/archive/2004/April_12/6.html

Bob,
I thought Kostunica was funny, but you're funnier!

Kosovo a province of Serbia?
according to who, to you?

So many words, so few ideas....The past belongs to the faithful, the future belongs to the courageous!

I have to agree with Bob, reading 1244, it is clear it is talking about status of Kosovo during the transition period (or rather "interim" period). Today is first time I read 1244 for myself as opposed to just take it as good will what people are saying regarding 1244.

There is nothing in 1244 that deals with permanent solution of Kosovo. There is no mention of permanent political solution having to be approved by UN security council. Only the interim solution. It also does not state what is to happen if there is a deadlock in any negotiations.

I’d say, reading 1244, the resolution is more like a cease-fire agreement to stop the armed hostilites between the two parties which were occuring at the time it was drafted. There is nothing in 1244 that deals with permanent solution of Kosovo question. It would be good to discuss this.

I was surprised at this as I had not read 1244 fully before today and I thought it surprising that west is so united on this (usually there is great division). Most or arguments here are based on part of sentences from 1244 but clearly the word "interim" is used in all clauses pertaining to territorial soveregnity in 1244 and reading the whole resolution, I definitely didn’t get an impression that anything in there is for a “permanent” solution.

However consider this. I now think the whole Russia/USA argument is to whether an approval has to go through the Security Council. I think Security Council screwed up because in 1244 it defined what Kosovo was “until a political solution can be found”. However where the problem lies is that the Security Council did not define what happens if a political solution cannot be found. Simply 1244 is incomplete and lead to Kosovo being in no-mans land.

Problem for Serbia I believe is that there is no agreed ‘political solution’ and that’s why countries have gone forward and gave an imposed solution. Whilst this may not be legal, serbia’s territorial integrity claim may not also be legal either because re-integration into Serbia without an agreement is now also an imposed solution due to this requirement of having a “political solution”.

Kosovars were never going to agree to reintegration with Serbia as I believe they would rather stay in limbo under UN observations as status quo rather than re-integrate and that’s reality. Its I believe a stalemate and its something that has not happened before. Hence I think because because no other region in world is in such a stalemate, some countries argue that this is why it wont affect world order, however I’m not saying that’s the only possible point of view. But Kosovo needs a solution, and if sides cant agree, something needs to be imposed on both sides.

I just think 1244 was incomplete and that’s where problems lies. And its simply one of those situations UN didnt forsee everything when it was written. I think this is the case because if it was black and white, this shouldn’t even be discussed.

Attached is the link so that people can read 1244 for themselves. I hope B92 posts this so I can get peoples thoughts on 1244 once they actually read it. I am not saying Kosovo independece is legal...I'm just saying its not illegal. same for serbian territorial claims.

http://www.un.org/Docs/scres/1999/sc99.htm

Will,

“…Croatians have come to terms…..about ww2…”

How? Enjoying Tomson’s concerts maybe? Learning “history” from the Tudjman’s books?

“…HDZ ….in coalition with the serbian party at last election?...”

Yes, I know. Shame on Pupavac.

“…doubling the serb representation in the cabinet…positive discrimination? What level of representation do the hungarians, croatians and albanians have in serbian cabinet?...”

So, if Serbs expel let’s say, 85 percent of ethnical minorities from Serbia, and then “positively discriminate” remaining harmless few by putting couple of them in Parliament, everything would be fine and preferable to present situation?

“…100,000 bosniaks killed in bosnia…”

“Bosniak” is usually newspeak for Bosnian Muslims these days. If you also use this term in same way, then you are wrong about 100 000 Bosniaks. That figure is total loss for all ethnical groups in Bosnia and Herzegovina. Losses are actually roughly proportional to the size of ethnical groups. As you know, Serbs are not responsible for all deaths in BiH. Aside from fighting Serbs, Muslim and Croat armies fought each other and Muslims fought among themselves as well. (Izetbegovic – Abdic).

“….500000-million expelled from RS…”

How many Serbs expelled from a Federation?

“…million refugees from Milosevic actions in kosovo….”

Each and every one of them escaped exclusively Milosevic actions? Nothing to do with a general insecurity from the fighting, bombs all over the place, UCK asking them to leave? How many minorities escaped?

“…Krajina was never a region, autonomous…”

It was, officially from about 1553 until 1873.

“…nor did it have a massive majority (about 55% overall serb at best),…”

Thanks to Second World War…

“…hungarians in vojvodina and albanians in south serbia in same breath as Krajina and are they "excepted" as you said? …”

They are much better accepted then Krajina Serbs, numbers speak for themselves. Have you been lately to Krajina? I was.

“…. russians,….population loss ….migration…in a century, russia is unlikely to be as it is today….”

Well, Europe has similar problems, although less severe. Russians are well aware of this. Hoe knows, a lot can happen in 50 years.

The prime ministers remarks made me think: just how does he think will Serbia retake Kosova. Are they going to roll in with tanks again and kick 2 million people out or do they have a secret plan to make all Albanians forget everything and just come back to his arms. Of all the comical things I have read here this tops my list.

Mr Kostunica is using same language and behavior that Milosevic did in the 90-is.
So he must be carefull or he will be sued by Milosevic family, for braking the COPYRIGHT law's.

Is Kostunica dreaming with open eyes!? Yes, of course, Bush will immediately annul his recongnition of Kosova's independence:) I would recommend to Serbs to not listen to politicians like Kostunica and Nikolic who are trying to ruin their own people. They are like Milosevic. Ask yourselves what has Milosevic done to other peoples in the Balkans and to his own people, and you'll find the right answer, if you're clever.

Stevan,

Croatians have come to terms much more about ww2 than serbia has about any part of their own history. Cetnik actions in Bosnia in particular are completely ignored not to mention various collaborations. As for HDZ did you know they were in coalition with the serbian party at last election? Or that they are doubling the serb representation in the cabinet whgich was called positive discrimination? What level of representation do the hungarians, croatians and albanians have in serbian cabinet?

serbs are biggest victims? I dont deny there were serbian victims but no stats indicate they were biggest victimns..there were 150,000 croats expelled from Krajina and surrounding regions, 100,000 bosniaks killed in bosnia with 500000-million expelled from RS and another million refugees from Milosevic actions in kosovo. what was it that you mentioned about not coming to grips with the past?

Krajina was never a region, autonomous nor did it have a massive majority (about 55% overall serb at best), which is different to Kosovo. otherwise you need to consider hungarians in vojvodina and albanians in south serbia in same breath as Krajina and are they "excepted" as you said?

As for russians, their population loss is such that by 2050 they are expeceted to lose a 1/3 of their population. there will be very little of russia by the end of the century. There are massive migrations from Africa and Middle east into Russia and in a century, russia is unlikely to be as it is today.

THe 2 largest countrys backing serbia are russia and china.including serbia these 3 countrys lead the list of human rights abuses in the world..they are the true axis of evils..if u have to pick who side is the right side in this situation ,i would think if your backers are russia and china you are the wrong side...BTW,i hear that the serbian people say they are the true owners of this land,theyve been their since the 1300's so its their home land...so who did they massacare in the 1300's to get their great land of theirs...i believe they massacred they same people then and in the 1990's..thats my opinion here..LONG LIVE DEMOCRATIC KOSOVA.

m.j.

It might come as a surprise to you, but biggest human rights abuser on this planet in the period after the Second World War is United States of America! By far! They are responsible for deaths of millions of innocent civilians in American military interventions all over the globe.

“…serbian people...so who did they massacare in the 1300's to get their great land of theirs...i believe they massacred they same people then and in the 1990's..thats my opinion here..LONG LIVE DEMOCRATIC KOSOVA….”

Massacres – you Albanians, keep reapiting that you are victims of genocide, but numbers doesn’t show that. Can you show us some proof? The only systematic research about number of the victims which I am aware of is ICTY research. Their investigators discovered 2 108 bodies of all ethnicities and various cause of death.
As of middle ages, there are no proofs of link of Albanians with a Ilirs. As for fighting between Serbs and Ilirs, there was no need. Ilirs were small in numbers, semi nomadic shepherds. There was plenty of space.

PM just does not get it. That decission will never be revoked by US and all other countries that has recognized Kosova so far. As far as thanking other countries that has not recognized yet, we just have to see in the next coming days for more shuking suprises t come.

Forget Kosovo now, look your economy and your state, your people pf serbia needs better life ,, work for better serbia and forget Kosovo.

Surely Kostunica must be dreaming I don't know what else should I call his statement.What does US look to you. It's the greatest superpower the world ever had and it's putting in place the justice.

Kostunica just wants to save his political skin. His nationalistic fondamentalism will never get him and people behind him anywhere. He is making politiacal enimies everyday with his policies. He the very last one who can talk peace even if he dreams and swearing "compliance with the international law".

Once you become an enemy of US, they will never ever take you seriuos. Take my advice and stop waisting your "calls" on Americans. You made sure ppl burned down their embassy, for that they will hit you back sooner or later. Kosovo Independence has just given them a reason to tell their people why they choosed the other side and whole world could se how many American flag were waving in the streets of Pristina.

Bob,
I thought Kostunica was funny, but you're funnier!

Kosovo a province of Serbia?
according to who, to you?

Now America will give up from Kostunica's Pressure and will annul the recognition of Kosova's Independence.
Of course Kostunica is joking with himself about this.

"The United States of America must annul the decision to recognize a false state on the territory of Serbia"

-And Serbia is in a position to tell the US what it MUST do?

I don’t understand why they keep going on and on about the resolution 1244.
In there it doesn’t mention that Kosovo is part of Serbia or it doesn’t mention Serbia at all. Agreement has been done under the name of Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, so now the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia doesn’t exists and the resolution 1244 its powerless.

Go and read the resolution 1244 and than comment in here

http://daccessdds.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N99/172/89/PDF/N9917289.pdf?OpenElement

“As for Kosovo's wish to join the EU, well let me make this very clear, there's is NO will, neither will there ever be an Muslim country going to be in the EU, the vast majority of the EU citicens are opposed to that idea.

So Croatia, Bosnia, Serbia, Montenegro and other states put youre unrealistic dreams of joining the EU in the fridge, it ain't gonna happen for at least another 50 years.”
(Ronald, 24 February 2008 15:03)


- Just for your information Ronald; there are more Muslims in UK, France and Germany than in the Balkans. It’s people like you that want to make the EU look like some sort of Christian Club.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4385768.stm

@Jovan & Bob
If the US cancels the recognition of Serbia first, then there might be a likelihood that they could do for Kosovo the same. If you are living in Saturn, Venus or Jupiter is something else BUT this is planet earth where never happened in the history that a country recognises a country for a week then cancels it later...heed your comments and FACE THE REALITY

Swede,
Your observation is very correct. After the burning of our embassy Serbia for us became in many way a rogue country like Iran. It is very, very "unfavourable" to be on the list of rogue countries.

That is what we call "WISHFUL THINKING".
That will never happen.
Kostunica should step down and leave Serbia, since sooner or later him and his DSS cronies will face the justice of Serbian people.
As far as suggestions of getting mofern armaments, dont forget, there is something called NATO that nobody in the world will intimifate. You know why?
There is something called USA that stands behind.

By reading his latest statement you get the impression that Vojo is not from this planet. I think even Milosevic was more realistic and definely more cunning. He caused a lot of damage to Serbia. I think Kostunica doesn't want to stay far behind him. With clumsiness and provocations he will hurt Serbia badly in the near future.

With politicians like Kostunica, who needs Milosevic ? Friday's attack on the U.S and other embassies goes to show just how far Serbia has NOT come since 2000 - and this is very very sad.

This is whats going to happen. I have heard and i can see it happen that Serbia is going to be bombed again from USA and Nato. This is going to happen in the next month. THey will sign a piece agreement with Tadic where he does regognize Kosova. If you dont believe me just watch. Another attack on American embassy and it is over.

All readers who are interested in the Balkans. Please see attached site for what is being published in Canada.
www.torontosun.com/News/Columnists/Margolis_Eric/2008/02/24/4872343-sun.php

A response to the US Ambassador to Serbia

It seems to me that US Ambassador to Serbia, Cameron Munter, is emerging as the next George W. Bush wannabe. At least, his most recent public comments and his utterly flawed logic put the two men in the same "bullish, arrogant and unreasonable" camp. Ambassador Munter criticised Serbian leaders, who suggested that the recent riots in Belgrade were a "legitimate" form of protest over Kosovo's declaration of independence, telling The Associated Press that "That kind of incendiary language ... is not only wrong but it is an embarrassment, and it is leading further to the diplomatic isolation of Serbia…". It sounds to me like Ambassador Munter is talking about the US government, not the Serbian one. It is the US government who are at fault here, and the US government who is an embarassment. In its overwhelming support of the independence of Kosovo, in the absence of a UN madate, the US government has effectively attacked Serbia, violated Serbian sovereignity, broken international law (again) and ignored the United Nations (again).
Now, we all agree that the riots were in poor form, but what exactly did the US government expect of the Serbs? Clap Ambassador Munter on the back, and say, "Good job, Ambassador!"? Ambassador Munter needs to be a little cleverer. What would the US have done if New Mexico declared indepedence? We are quick to forget that the US illegally invaded and now occupies Iraq, a country that was "legitimately" (funny how that word comes up again) attacked because its weapons of mass destruction were a threat to US national security. It's a pity that we never found any…
Ambassador Munter should tone down his rhetoric, which is a little too similar to his President's. I appreciate Ambassador Munter's anger at his embassy being torched, I would have felt the same way. But when he said, "It had better not happen again", it was a little too much. It was the US who broke the law here, and it is the US who are at fault. And it is the US who have long ago lost the moral highground to dictate any orders to the Serbs (or anybody else for that matter) about what the Serbs do in their own country.

Rory E. Morty
Giessen, Germany

The prime ministers remarks made me think: just how does he think will Serbia retake Kosova. Are they going to roll in with tanks again and kick 2 million people out or do they have a secret plan to make all Albanians forget everything and just come back to his arms. Of all the comical things I have read here this tops my list.

Ronald

By calling Croatia a Muslim state you said more than enough not to be taken seriously, sorry but that is a very incorrect statement. Croatia will become a part of EU, sort of speak it already is.

Serbia needs to completely change its mentality, not to talk about the economy, infrastructure, education, etc. Serbia is not even close to joint the EU. EU is the union of the nations that work and live together. Serbian government and unfortunately people too are not even capable to respect and live with other nations and nationalities that already live on territory of Serbia and Vojvodina. I did not mention Kosovo, because it has nothing to do with Serbia anymore. Except it, move on. In EU as I said we will all live together, concentrate on that. And for your sake, don’t support the politicians that brought you in this situation; Kostunica is a joke. Serbia committed war crimes in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo. Think about it! Don’t run toward denial but toward exception.

Mr Kostunica is using same language and behavior that Milosevic did in the 90-is.
So he must be carefull or he will be sued by Milosevic family, for braking the COPYRIGHT law's.

Stevan,

Croatians have come to terms much more about ww2 than serbia has about any part of their own history. Cetnik actions in Bosnia in particular are completely ignored not to mention various collaborations. As for HDZ did you know they were in coalition with the serbian party at last election? Or that they are doubling the serb representation in the cabinet whgich was called positive discrimination? What level of representation do the hungarians, croatians and albanians have in serbian cabinet?

serbs are biggest victims? I dont deny there were serbian victims but no stats indicate they were biggest victimns..there were 150,000 croats expelled from Krajina and surrounding regions, 100,000 bosniaks killed in bosnia with 500000-million expelled from RS and another million refugees from Milosevic actions in kosovo. what was it that you mentioned about not coming to grips with the past?

Krajina was never a region, autonomous nor did it have a massive majority (about 55% overall serb at best), which is different to Kosovo. otherwise you need to consider hungarians in vojvodina and albanians in south serbia in same breath as Krajina and are they "excepted" as you said?

As for russians, their population loss is such that by 2050 they are expeceted to lose a 1/3 of their population. there will be very little of russia by the end of the century. There are massive migrations from Africa and Middle east into Russia and in a century, russia is unlikely to be as it is today.

Serbia should set it's FUTURE course on the premise that it will never be a member of the European Union. Look at the recent chain of events.
Serbia was always so close on the SAA and the EU CLUB MEMBERSHIP agreement. Each time that AGREEMENT WAS RESCINDED, knowing full well that Serbia had met all criteria to qualify. What disturbs me is in the fact the EU, UN, NATO and the IC
all orchrestrated the Declaration of Albanian Independence.
Therefore, Serbia was never and it will never be joining the EU Club. Membership.

@(Another Canadian Serb, 24 February 2008 13:31)

"Therefore, Serbia was never and it will never be joining the EU Club. Membership."

True, but only will Serbia never get acces, neither will croatia, bosnia, Albania, turkije, or any other country that aspires acces to the EU.

The Majority off the country's are allready against more members, and even an bigger majority of EU citizens feel that 27 is allready way to big.

As we speak here in the Netherlands political parties that are against more members is gaining an momentum, there is an Anti EU motion going.

So all the promises made by the EU politicians are lies and hollow promises, they cannot decide who get's to join or who doesn't join, that's up to the member states, and more and more member states are against more members.

As for the SAA goes, that's just an easy way for the EU to get an Non-EU member to reform theire economie so EU corporations can easily buy forgein company's very cheap.

As for Kosovo's wish to join the EU, well let me make this very clear, there's is NO will, neither will there ever be an Muslim country going to be in the EU, the vast majority of the EU citicens are opposed to that idea.

So Croatia, Bosnia, Serbia, Montenegro and other states put youre unrealistic dreams of joining the EU in the fridge, it ain't gonna happen for at least another 50 years.

To another Canadian Serb, the voice of reason is speaking in Canada, as well. For a little balance, please read this: http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=e89f6b8d-6e99-4afa-bbac-7fe2826c1287. Marcus Gee also had a good column in the Globe recently. There are some educated opinions in Canada.

Is Kostunica dreaming with open eyes!? Yes, of course, Bush will immediately annul his recongnition of Kosova's independence:) I would recommend to Serbs to not listen to politicians like Kostunica and Nikolic who are trying to ruin their own people. They are like Milosevic. Ask yourselves what has Milosevic done to other peoples in the Balkans and to his own people, and you'll find the right answer, if you're clever.

Kosovo is a part of the national Serb identity. Changing the political map will not change that. If Pristina's secession was complete then there would be no Pristiner's here on the forums still arguing for Kosovo's secession.

Unilateral acts are not universally accepted.

it has crossed my mind reading comments yesterday to that other article that says this same thing, that our albanians are now worried.

THe 2 largest countrys backing serbia are russia and china.including serbia these 3 countrys lead the list of human rights abuses in the world..they are the true axis of evils..if u have to pick who side is the right side in this situation ,i would think if your backers are russia and china you are the wrong side...BTW,i hear that the serbian people say they are the true owners of this land,theyve been their since the 1300's so its their home land...so who did they massacare in the 1300's to get their great land of theirs...i believe they massacred they same people then and in the 1990's..thats my opinion here..LONG LIVE DEMOCRATIC KOSOVA.

He would have better supported Nikolic instead being "neutral" at the elections. Unless there's a monolith of Serb elite and the people you have no chance to change the situation.
When in the critical moment Tadic travels abroad it means the Serbs have no leader to head their struggle.
The Serbs has made their choice during the elections. They have voted for the neo Jinjic to bring them to the EU. So there's no use blaming America. They will not change their attitude otherwise they are forced to.
Inside the EU there are weak chains to be attacked. One of them is Germany. The Serbs should stress upon German revenge for the strong Serb resistance during WW2. The Serbs should ask for modern armaments from Russia ect. But before they have to change their leader. They need a president who cares only of what the Serbs think and do but not of what the Western chiefs will say.

Actually, Kostunica is quite correct on what he says here.

As things stand, the US has behaved terribly towards democratic Serbia and quite obviously gone against what was signed up for in 1244.

If the EU and US had put their weight behind proper negotiations instead of taking sides there could quite easily have been a conclusion that was legal and within the terms of 1244.
Democratic Serbia has acted in good faith over 1244 but the EU and the US have not.

Kosovo is still a province of Serbia and that will not change.

Unfortunately the West have put Serbia on a spot - Serbia will suffer because of it, but I don't think it will retreat.

The West should have taken better account of the people of Serbia.

Another Canadian Serb:

you have made a mistake:

it is a declaration of Dependence.

you should not forget that.

and the US won´t stay forever in the balkans.
that is for sure.

@(Trublloni, 24 February 2008 15:54)

I'm talking about an Muslim country, not about the muslims that are living in an country with an christian majority.

An muslim countryin the EU is simply NEVER gonna happen,one off the major reason for the dutch to say NO to the EU constitution was the fact that they didn't want Turkey joing the EU (to which the Netherlands would loose it's Veto due to that constitution, then the EU politicians could decide to allow turkey in, but that route has been blocked for good.)

It's more likely that Russia would join the EU than an Muslim country, and i ain't seeing Russia joining the EU in the next 500 Years.

For a more educated Canadian media view on the situation, I point you to this editorial in the Ottawa Citizen:

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/opinion/story.html?id=32b1a951-15cf-4193-bff5-af0cb5d3fa90&p=1

Between Mr Bissett and (Ret) Gen Lewis McKenzie, I'm happy to see some people on that side of the ocean seeing things for what they really are.

It is clear that there is doubt within the EU about the legality of their actions in Kosovo.

I note that the EU commissioner has said that he 'situation has changed' as a justification for the EU going into Kosovo outside of the terms of 1244.

I think that this could be a good argument for other powers to go in too - say Serbia and Russian - to ensure that 1244 is fully complied with. 1244 requires autonomy for Kosovo, and any power that enforced autonomy would be acting legally within 1244.

It is interesting to review whether 1244 bound Serbia for all time, or to what extent it is merely transitional.

I think it is quite clear that most of 1244 is about a transitional arrangement. It is also clear that in the view of the IC that transition is now over because of their acceptance of the current 'political settlement' (sic).

I would argue that while this means the IC still has obligations under 1244, it also means that Serbia is now freed of its obligations because it has fully fulfilled them and the situation is now beyond the scope of the resolution.

I suspect that it is now legal for democratic Serbia to assert itself far more fully in Kosovo. At the very least, I think that now leaves more space for new politics and proactive action on the part of Serbia.

Kostunica nor the Serbian people expect the US to annul recognition but I see this as standard legal process.

Demand the annulment first and then proceed with legal action.

Make sense?

Ahmet, I think it's you and your band of merry men which will have the shocks in the coming days;

Joe, for every person the US has saved globally through its foreign policies 1,000 others have died... when are you going to take responsibility for the hatred that 70% of this planet has for your people and government? It, amongst countless other problems around the world is responsible;

As a Serb born in London I've always thought that one of the biggest problems to face Belgrade and her people is that whilst most, if not all Serbs see themselves as Europeans, the rest of the world - particularly the West, does not.

I've always thought that one can be educated, intelligent, cultured, etc. and NOT from the West...

@(Joe, 24 February 2008 20:07)

'After the burning of our embassy Serbia for us became in many way a rogue country like Iran. It is very, very "unfavourable" to be on the list of rogue countries"

=========================

And with rogue country's you mean country's that don't comply with the US wishes.

Well let me tell you something, i really felt sorry for all the New Yorkers when 9/11 happend, but when i read comments like yours all off the time, ignorant, arrogant and most off all just plain warmongering i start to sympathise with the 9/11 culprits and theire motivs.

I still really feel sorry for all of the innocent lives lost in 9/11, but Joe, you are the prototype american which the world starts to hate more and more.

You ain't doing the US an favour by conferming the picture most people have of the 'common' US citizen.

To those who think its funny.

There is no right in what the EU and the US have done.

There is nothing funny about them ignoring the will of the Serbian people.

They could have negotiated properly but instead took sides. That's bad.

The matter is not closed by any means.

Where do I start?

Allan,
They say "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing". If you had delved a little deeper into your legal studies you might have discovered that Serbia is the legal successor state to Yugoslavia. In other words, any treaties and legal agreements that formerly applied to Yugoslavia now apply to Serbia. Ok?

uli,
If as much as a stray US bullet lands on Serbian soil you'll be waking up to a massive global conflict. Wanna chance it?

Joe,
We're all quaking in our boots.

So many words, so few ideas....The past belongs to the faithful, the future belongs to the courageous!

Tom O'Donoghue:

don´t you find it funny that time and again, some clueless albanian teenager writes the same nonsense, about Yugoslavia doesn´t exitst anymore, so UNSC 1244 is not binding...? =)

I mean, by now, everyone will have learned about legals successorship... but, it doesn´t count... they still try to play that more than cheap propaganda-card...as they have been told in their albanian-yellow-press.

even if they use english nicknames...you can identify them by that ineffective attempt to mislead...

For the sake of FREEDOM and DEMOCRACY:

Serbia, NEVER (!) ACCEPT KOSOVO INDEPENDENCE!

This issue is much more important than Kosovo itself.

In Holland a big majority is against Kosovo independence. Stay on course. Never give up!

You have all heard of Ali Barber and the 40 thieves well it looks like the Sherrif and his deputies need the Texas rangers to come and sort them out and bring some truth and integrity back to the good old USA, The hole that they are digging is getting deeper and deepper and more and more fools are clambering to follow.
Mirror Mirror on the wall aint the USA the greatest of them all.
Could it be that the Americans really dont know who their friends are or who their enamies are, maybe its just one big conspiracy to create world turmoil so that America falls in one big heap and Big Brother is just waiting on the side lines waiting to pounce. Think about it ?????????

I have to agree with Bob, reading 1244, it is clear it is talking about status of Kosovo during the transition period (or rather "interim" period). Today is first time I read 1244 for myself as opposed to just take it as good will what people are saying regarding 1244.

There is nothing in 1244 that deals with permanent solution of Kosovo. There is no mention of permanent political solution having to be approved by UN security council. Only the interim solution. It also does not state what is to happen if there is a deadlock in any negotiations.

I’d say, reading 1244, the resolution is more like a cease-fire agreement to stop the armed hostilites between the two parties which were occuring at the time it was drafted. There is nothing in 1244 that deals with permanent solution of Kosovo question. It would be good to discuss this.

I was surprised at this as I had not read 1244 fully before today and I thought it surprising that west is so united on this (usually there is great division). Most or arguments here are based on part of sentences from 1244 but clearly the word "interim" is used in all clauses pertaining to territorial soveregnity in 1244 and reading the whole resolution, I definitely didn’t get an impression that anything in there is for a “permanent” solution.

However consider this. I now think the whole Russia/USA argument is to whether an approval has to go through the Security Council. I think Security Council screwed up because in 1244 it defined what Kosovo was “until a political solution can be found”. However where the problem lies is that the Security Council did not define what happens if a political solution cannot be found. Simply 1244 is incomplete and lead to Kosovo being in no-mans land.

Problem for Serbia I believe is that there is no agreed ‘political solution’ and that’s why countries have gone forward and gave an imposed solution. Whilst this may not be legal, serbia’s territorial integrity claim may not also be legal either because re-integration into Serbia without an agreement is now also an imposed solution due to this requirement of having a “political solution”.

Kosovars were never going to agree to reintegration with Serbia as I believe they would rather stay in limbo under UN observations as status quo rather than re-integrate and that’s reality. Its I believe a stalemate and its something that has not happened before. Hence I think because because no other region in world is in such a stalemate, some countries argue that this is why it wont affect world order, however I’m not saying that’s the only possible point of view. But Kosovo needs a solution, and if sides cant agree, something needs to be imposed on both sides.

I just think 1244 was incomplete and that’s where problems lies. And its simply one of those situations UN didnt forsee everything when it was written. I think this is the case because if it was black and white, this shouldn’t even be discussed.

Attached is the link so that people can read 1244 for themselves. I hope B92 posts this so I can get peoples thoughts on 1244 once they actually read it. I am not saying Kosovo independece is legal...I'm just saying its not illegal. same for serbian territorial claims.

http://www.un.org/Docs/scres/1999/sc99.htm

if anybody is interested in the truth here it is from a neutral party. an ex UN general.
http://www.kosovo.net/news/archive/2004/April_12/6.html

Josip
regarding your statement
"Serbia committed war crimes in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo"
are you talking about the war in 1389.

Josipe,

"… Serbian government and unfortunately people too are not even capable to respect and live with other nations and nationalities that already live on territory of Serbia and Vojvodina…"

Really funny to hear a Croat lecturing Serbs about tolerance to the minorities?! Are you aware of the fact that Serbia is most ethnically diverse of all countries of ex YU? Despite everything what happened, numbers of minorities in Serbia didn't significantly change before, during and after the wars. Serbia also has biggest number of refuges in Europe, one million Serbs, victims of Croatian, Bosnian Muslims and Kosovo Albanian extremists. What's the situation In Croatia?

"…Kosovo, because it has nothing to do with Serbia anymore. Except it, move on …."

Yeah, right, like Croats excepted Krajina…. What do you think, how does your "friendly advise" sounds to the hundreds of thousands of Serb refuges from Kosovo? Kosovo has everything to do with a Serbs http://www.kosovo.net/mones.html


"….In EU as I said we will all live together, concentrate on that…."

Somehow, I don't believe it. If Americans and friends really just want to create one big happy European family, they would handle all this issue very differently. Wouldn't it be much easier to respect Serbia's territorial integrity and simply accept it in the EU? That would defuse hole situation as borders, rights of the minorities and similar problems would loose any significance. Fact that they choose to go through all this trouble instead, speaks volumes. They have other plans. "Project for the New American Century", Zbigniew Brzeziñski, ring the bells? They singled Serbs out for annihilation with a reason. Among other things they see us as a sort of surrogate Russians. They can test on us what they hope to do to Russians in the near future. Before they move on Russia they need to destroy any possible Russian ally.

"…And for your sake, don’t support the politicians that brought you in this situation;…"

Any chance that HDZ loose support any time soon?

"… Kostunica is a joke…"

He is just doing what is his most important duty, protecting territorial integrity of his country. Considering circumstances, he's been very good at it, so far.

"…Serbia…war crimes…denial…exception."

Croatians didn't yet come to terms with horrible war crimes their extremists committed in the Second World War, not to mention this last one. So, it sounds bit hollow when they lecture Serbs.

Will,

“…Croatians have come to terms…..about ww2…”

How? Enjoying Tomson’s concerts maybe? Learning “history” from the Tudjman’s books?

“…HDZ ….in coalition with the serbian party at last election?...”

Yes, I know. Shame on Pupavac.

“…doubling the serb representation in the cabinet…positive discrimination? What level of representation do the hungarians, croatians and albanians have in serbian cabinet?...”

So, if Serbs expel let’s say, 85 percent of ethnical minorities from Serbia, and then “positively discriminate” remaining harmless few by putting couple of them in Parliament, everything would be fine and preferable to present situation?

“…100,000 bosniaks killed in bosnia…”

“Bosniak” is usually newspeak for Bosnian Muslims these days. If you also use this term in same way, then you are wrong about 100 000 Bosniaks. That figure is total loss for all ethnical groups in Bosnia and Herzegovina. Losses are actually roughly proportional to the size of ethnical groups. As you know, Serbs are not responsible for all deaths in BiH. Aside from fighting Serbs, Muslim and Croat armies fought each other and Muslims fought among themselves as well. (Izetbegovic – Abdic).

“….500000-million expelled from RS…”

How many Serbs expelled from a Federation?

“…million refugees from Milosevic actions in kosovo….”

Each and every one of them escaped exclusively Milosevic actions? Nothing to do with a general insecurity from the fighting, bombs all over the place, UCK asking them to leave? How many minorities escaped?

“…Krajina was never a region, autonomous…”

It was, officially from about 1553 until 1873.

“…nor did it have a massive majority (about 55% overall serb at best),…”

Thanks to Second World War…

“…hungarians in vojvodina and albanians in south serbia in same breath as Krajina and are they "excepted" as you said? …”

They are much better accepted then Krajina Serbs, numbers speak for themselves. Have you been lately to Krajina? I was.

“…. russians,….population loss ….migration…in a century, russia is unlikely to be as it is today….”

Well, Europe has similar problems, although less severe. Russians are well aware of this. Hoe knows, a lot can happen in 50 years.

m.j.

It might come as a surprise to you, but biggest human rights abuser on this planet in the period after the Second World War is United States of America! By far! They are responsible for deaths of millions of innocent civilians in American military interventions all over the globe.

“…serbian people...so who did they massacare in the 1300's to get their great land of theirs...i believe they massacred they same people then and in the 1990's..thats my opinion here..LONG LIVE DEMOCRATIC KOSOVA….”

Massacres – you Albanians, keep reapiting that you are victims of genocide, but numbers doesn’t show that. Can you show us some proof? The only systematic research about number of the victims which I am aware of is ICTY research. Their investigators discovered 2 108 bodies of all ethnicities and various cause of death.
As of middle ages, there are no proofs of link of Albanians with a Ilirs. As for fighting between Serbs and Ilirs, there was no need. Ilirs were small in numbers, semi nomadic shepherds. There was plenty of space.