If this Russian commentator made this cretinous remark he should be sacked. Zoran was too good for the Serb people, his life cut short by Milosevic,s family. People should ask themselves as to why Mira Markovic, her children, who are wanted on international arrest warrants are granted immunity/impunity by the Russians. Wake up Serbia you are decent people not the killers depicted in the western media. Zoran ,god rest your soul.
I have recently coined a new name for Russia: Thugocracy. It used to be a Putinocracy, now everyone in the position to make a difference in Russia, including journalists, are turning into thugs with fascist language and empty threats. It's no surprise that Russia is obstructing attempts to build peace and democracy in Serbia. After all, when was the last time Russia contributed to an international project that brought peace and stability. Never. It always stands in the way of the West trying in vain to earn our respect. Also Russia's threats amount to really nothing. Russian politicians are gutless. Look at their history. They killed a few poor Afghanis and burned down their own citizens in Chechnya and jailed entrepreneurs.
(Mike, 23 February 2008 18:50)
Thanks Mike for saving my time.
You have no idea how much I enjoy some of your articles!
"After all, when was the last time Russia contributed to an international project that brought peace and stability. Never."
You're not serious, right? And when did the west bring peace and stability to anywhere? To the Middle East, probably?
Russian commentator is 100% right, B92 and Serbia have to answer one question. What do you want? There is no half way in Kosovo. West went too far to budge.
If you value EU more then your country, say it. People like Didinic got independent Kosovo for they service and loyalty to the EU west and Americans. B92 should say what its B92 stance on the issue, instead of sitting on the fence and criticize any one who does have firm view on the issue.
You counted on that EU will not recognize Kosovo but you were wrong,
Serbia was betrayed by so called friends, especially Germany, Britain and France (they have long history of betrayal – Poland special case). These countries will tolerate EU when serves them, they will not hesitate to quit EU when it stops serve their interests. First bad news, Kosovo is just beginning of dismembering what’s left from Serbia; the other areas with minorities will follow very soon. First good news is: Serbs know who their enemies are and who their real friends are. Second good news is: the beginning of the end for not so united European Union (I hope).
The question still remains: What Serbs really want?, and they will have to answer this question very soon.
It is very easy to see that albanians in their comments are trying to distantiate Serbia from Russia. But it's not going to work. Russia is the only friend of Serbia in these hard times. Without Russia, Kosovo will be gone. Even the north parts!
I strongly disagree with reporter. In my opinion his remark is completely wrong. Even if it his opinion he did not serve Serbia and Russia any good and Serb protest is justified.
Unfortunately we (Russians) did invade and bomb quite a few countries in the past and I am very sorry for that. In last 20 years ugly war crimes were committed not just by us (Russians) but also by us (Americans) and here one more sorry from my "other" side.
Politics is dirty politics but I have strongest objections to be called "Thugocracy". It's not funny - I have some "pleasant" names for that "KosovA" in my repertoire and please do not force me to say.
Hope one day you will see, the world is not black-and-white.
Serbs have my full support, but that does not mean I don't have few very patriotic K-Albanian friends: I do. For the time being our opinion is very different. If you want me to have more friends in Kosov"A" - please behave yourself.
The U.S. is country who's population are arrogant and naive to everything outside the U.S borders. Americans can tell you where to invest your money, to get a divorce, kick your get out at 18, don't cook food for your kids, know what are the best universities, step inside your house and not take their dirty shoes off but they don't have 1 thing: feeling. They don't have family bond or culture, that's why they're so cold.
(milos, 23 February 2008 18:30)
IN Response to above.
Milos, not all Americans are as you describe. Although I will admit this is a majority description of Americans in general. This American non Serb, placed a very large sign in her yard on a busy highway when USA invaded Kosovo and bombed Serbia. Thsi sign was posted in English and Serbian. This sign was attacked, here in USA, in my yard. I put it back together and up again. This American came to Montenegro 7/1999 to visit with friends from on the internet during the war. This American seen the REAL Serbian population. Each citizen of each country knows their limits of ability to change their government. If you were I, who would you vote for President of USA? I say none of the above. We are all people living in politically controlled environments. I hope the world's common citizens remember this someday when all politians are gone...LOL-which will never happen. The Kosovo situation is entirely wrong. I give you this from an American, I teach my seven sons the history of Europe that they don't receive in school, I encourage them to argue their opinionated teachers this week when they condemned Serbia and Russia. I tell all I know of the positive experiences I had for six weeks in Yugoslavia. Never did I feel fear on the streets at night as I do here in USA. NEVER was I threatened by any military units or police. All Serbians were loving and protective. I will not in my lifetime listen to anyone condemn the entire Serb population for what some people may or may not have done. I will and do respond to them in an instant. I wish you all peace and pray that this battle is short and the other world's countries come forward to rule Kosovo independence illegal.
while justly condemning others for overstepping all red lines with their comments, such as in this case, mike, you ought to be careful, imho, not to do so yourself. what's that 'thugocracy' nonsense. how in god's name do you then describe washington?
It is a sin to speak ill of your brother, more so the dead, however the mythical romance of what might have been had Djindjic not been killed is flawed. Serbia's transition from Milosevic to the modern era was one of a prisoner who was released only to become a beggar. Our Western neighbors recognized this and rewarded us with demands for further humiliation and concessions.
Djindjic's policy was a policy of concessions, and he is not to be blamed because he had the mandate of the Serbian electorate.
However policy of acquiescences and concessions is not a policy of equality and dignity. The concessions that Serbia has offered the west were never received as offers of friendship. In the alternative they were seen as, and continue to be seen as, ignoble indignity.
People can vote for Tadic, offer to sell Kosovo to the first bidder, think that the same EU that took Kosovo will welcome us, and remember Djindjic as Arthur in Camelot but this will not restore Serbia's dignity. we can not beg for dignity.
Miguel de Cervantes said "Never stand begging for that which you have the power to earn."
Milos said:"at least russia has never invaded another country and bombed them. Unlike America who does what they please, and have bombed 3 countries in 9yrs!"
I hope you didn't mean that seriously. Did you forget about the invasion of Afghanistan by the Russians?
Also what was the Russian army doing in Czechoslovakia in the 60's. As for the pressure. Wasn't it pressure coming from the Russians what it exerted on the whole eastern Europe. Need I remind of the struggle of the whole eastern block trying to break free from Russia?
I have never read more comments from rational and concerned Serbs than in the last several days, following the violent events in Belgrade and near the border with Kosovo.
I am so contempt with the destructive Russian attitude that promotes propaganda in Serbia and overshadows any positive elements of Serbian society.
It is encauraging to see lately that there are smart Serbs who have already taken a stance against such dirty politics and have started to make their outrage with it public. However, it is outrageous, on the other hand, that so many more continue to believe in the same Russian rehthoric that is despised by the rest of the civilized world.
I hope that finally, rational voices in Serbia will be able to emerge as a more powerful force as opposed to those in Russia which continue to be crushed even today.
Russia is and it seems that it will remain a negative force on the international stage. They pretend to be stounch supporters of the international law, yet they promote views that are void of any principles. The only characterization of Russian politics is that of Russian chauvinism. While the West takes pride in their efforts to promote democracy around the world, the Russian's national pride derives from blocking any international policy that seeks to contribute to peace and democracy. That indeed, should be a source of national shame!
Like one Serbian woman answered to an NPR reporter last Thursday, "Yes, I am willing to keep on fighting for Kosovo even if that means the destruction of Serbia."
Keep up the job Serbia/Russia. It looks like both nations want to look like they did in 1389 and 1945.
Jovan, we know very well the neighbors you are, no need to make public threats.
under serb rule, we have suffered:
- mass expulsion
- mass killing
- destruction of property
- and lastly, denial of our history and heritage, like illyrian nonsense?
sadly, doesn't look like your extremism will ever get better
at least russia has never invaded another country and bombed them. Unlike America who does what they please, and have bombed 3 countries in 9yrs! Not to mention, they blackmail all EU countries with economic aid if they don't side with their national policies. The U.S. is country who's population are arrogant and naive to everything outside the U.S borders. Americans can tell you where to invest your money, to get a divorce, kick your get out at 18, don't cook food for your kids, know what are the best universities, step inside your house and not take their dirty shoes off but they don't have 1 thing: feeling. They don't have family bond or culture, that's why they're so cold.
It is funny how so many anti-Serb Albanians & others are defending Dindic, you can read a lot into that. My deceased Father (who had dual citizenship) was an ally of Dindic and I even have a picture of Dindic and my Father shaking hands. No person has a right to say this man or that man deserves to die, only God has that authority, but unlike my geopolitically-challenged Father I believe that Zoran D. was working against the best interests of Serbia/Serbs even if his intentions were good. I don't think Serbia should send a letter of protest even if the comments were "over the top" Russia is our stanchest ally and keeps proving this over and over. People like this reporter have a right to their opinion (and that is all this was, not state backed) at least in a free country, this shows you that Russia is more free than many countries, in the US the government would never allow for such flagrant "freedom of speech". Stop attacking Russia and Serbia over democracy when you have a plank in your own eye!
I have recently coined a new name for Russia: Thugocracy. It used to be a Putinocracy, now everyone in the position to make a difference in Russia, including journalists, are turning into thugs with fascist language and empty threats. It's no surprise that Russia is obstructing attempts to build peace and democracy in Serbia. After all, when was the last time Russia contributed to an international project that brought peace and stability. Never. It always stands in the way of the West trying in vain to earn our respect. Also Russia's threats amount to really nothing. Russian politicians are gutless. Look at their history. They killed a few poor Afghanis and burned down their own citizens in Chechnya and jailed entrepreneurs.
Welcome to "russian democracy". When will you serbs wake up and see that russia is destroying you. You are just a toy in the hands of Putin, Lavrov, Medvedev and other russian "democrats".
Unfortunatelly, yournalisam around the world is on the low level.
Disliking someone's policies means throwing a mud on him/her and calling them names.
Miloevic was routinly called "dictator" in the Western press, despite winning in serveral elections.
Journalisam at lowest level.
i cannot believe as to how people like Jovan, Brumsila
do not admit that assasination of Zoran Djindjic was done my the Milosevic's regime.
You should know by now that It was Milosevic and his big ideas that brought Serbia to its knees.
It seems that the serbs do not mind in turning the Serb civilization backwards.
Sorry guys but Dindic was doing great work for Serbia and he was the only one who could have prevented Kosovo's independance exactly though the promotion of democracy,market forces,justice and reconciliaton. His closeness to the West would also have helped. These radicals and thugs are keeping Serbia in the dark ages. Its a shame the more democratic force are afraid of them.
"Watch out of Vladimir Putin because he is not going to bring any good to Serbia.
Thank you,
(Gezim, 23 February 2008 12:17)"
my dear Gezim... don´t you worry about Serbia..
you should better worry about yourself...
because... since you certainly will have noticed, besides of that illyrian-nonsense you´ve been indoctrinated in your socalled schools...,
the Ottomans left after 500 years.. the US will let you down much faster, and Serbia is still nearby.
as for Djindjic:
he will be remembered for having violated the own constitution, by extraditing Milošević to foreign powers, although this was not allowed by the constitution.
how do we call poeple like him?
well, it seems interesting to me, that even foreigners from other countries see this as a negative behaviour.
whether he deserved the bullet, that is not my thing to judge about.
Well, I do not agree with this journalist when says that Djindjic deserved bullet. No one deserves bullet for having own opinion, believes and interests. I would not go that far saying that Djindjic was a traitor of the country and Western puppet. There are no doubts that he did cooperate and flirt very much with Westerners, but I think he did it because he believed in what he was doing and saying. Perhaps he believed Westerners quite much and that cost him a life. Djindjic had a power to move the things from static position, Dindjic was promoter and his spirit and strength were equal to motor. I would not be surprised if he was murdered by his friends from the West as they came to conclusion that Djindjic was a great promoter of moving forward incredibly fast which was not in the line with the Western policy towards Serbia.
On the other hand, I do agree with journalist when pointing finger in Tadic. Tadic was supposed to be with his people on the rally day and show to his people that he does care for Kosovo. He betrayed his electorate who gave him a vote for promising them both, Kosovo and the EU. He must be aware that many people vote for him rather for preserving Kosovo in Serbia’s boundaries than for EU’s integration. But, general elections are perfect mean to punish the one who does not stick to its promises. Tadic turns to be true disappointment. It would not be that huge disappointment if any one form DS showed up in the rally day on the behalf of Tadic but no one seemed to be willing to show up and express its protest. At least I haven't seen anyone
This shows clearly that the intention of Russian government is to foment the unrest in Serbia and in Kosovo, to try to kill the peace and the democracy in both places. Stability in the Balkans does not interest Valdimir Putin — he needs some reason to put Russian soldiers there, you know…
When NATO bombed Yugoslavia, Djindjic was hiding in Montenegro where is mostly safe.. and comfy. He was loved by the Clintons and Albrights and Holbrooks of the world, which goes to show how wrong he was for Serbia. He was going to sell Kosovo down the river, and certainly was answering to other governments more than he should have. He may have had his own mind, and own policies, he still had links with foreign powers, links and friendships that made you wonder. I never liked him.
As for Tadic, I find it interesting that he too was not in his capital with the protesters. I believe he was afraid for his life, because I'm sure he is being threatened by some circles.
I cant believe that russian journalists are happy that a serb primeminister was killed. Arent Russians supposed to be friends with Serbs but at the same time a russian journalist says that Djindjic got what he deserved?
Yes, sadly, this is the viewpoint of the Russian "state". If one reads the book by assassinated former FSB agent Litvinenko, it becomes clear that Russia's version of the JSO and Zemun gang were used by Putin's clique within the FSB to conduct assassinations. Time for all right thinking people to distance themselves from this mob.
Yes, sadly, this is the viewpoint of the Russian "state". If one reads the book by assassinated former FSB agent Litvinenko, it becomes clear that Russia's version of the JSO and Zemun gang were used by Putin's clique within the FSB to conduct assassinations. Time for all right thinking people to distance themselves from this mob.
"Watch out of Vladimir Putin because he is not going to bring any good to Serbia.
Thank you,
(Gezim, 23 February 2008 12:17)"
my dear Gezim... don´t you worry about Serbia..
you should better worry about yourself...
because... since you certainly will have noticed, besides of that illyrian-nonsense you´ve been indoctrinated in your socalled schools...,
the Ottomans left after 500 years.. the US will let you down much faster, and Serbia is still nearby.
as for Djindjic:
he will be remembered for having violated the own constitution, by extraditing Milošević to foreign powers, although this was not allowed by the constitution.
how do we call poeple like him?
well, it seems interesting to me, that even foreigners from other countries see this as a negative behaviour.
whether he deserved the bullet, that is not my thing to judge about.
I cant believe that russian journalists are happy that a serb primeminister was killed. Arent Russians supposed to be friends with Serbs but at the same time a russian journalist says that Djindjic got what he deserved?
This shows clearly that the intention of Russian government is to foment the unrest in Serbia and in Kosovo, to try to kill the peace and the democracy in both places. Stability in the Balkans does not interest Valdimir Putin — he needs some reason to put Russian soldiers there, you know…
When NATO bombed Yugoslavia, Djindjic was hiding in Montenegro where is mostly safe.. and comfy. He was loved by the Clintons and Albrights and Holbrooks of the world, which goes to show how wrong he was for Serbia. He was going to sell Kosovo down the river, and certainly was answering to other governments more than he should have. He may have had his own mind, and own policies, he still had links with foreign powers, links and friendships that made you wonder. I never liked him.
As for Tadic, I find it interesting that he too was not in his capital with the protesters. I believe he was afraid for his life, because I'm sure he is being threatened by some circles.
I have recently coined a new name for Russia: Thugocracy. It used to be a Putinocracy, now everyone in the position to make a difference in Russia, including journalists, are turning into thugs with fascist language and empty threats. It's no surprise that Russia is obstructing attempts to build peace and democracy in Serbia. After all, when was the last time Russia contributed to an international project that brought peace and stability. Never. It always stands in the way of the West trying in vain to earn our respect. Also Russia's threats amount to really nothing. Russian politicians are gutless. Look at their history. They killed a few poor Afghanis and burned down their own citizens in Chechnya and jailed entrepreneurs.
It is funny how so many anti-Serb Albanians & others are defending Dindic, you can read a lot into that. My deceased Father (who had dual citizenship) was an ally of Dindic and I even have a picture of Dindic and my Father shaking hands. No person has a right to say this man or that man deserves to die, only God has that authority, but unlike my geopolitically-challenged Father I believe that Zoran D. was working against the best interests of Serbia/Serbs even if his intentions were good. I don't think Serbia should send a letter of protest even if the comments were "over the top" Russia is our stanchest ally and keeps proving this over and over. People like this reporter have a right to their opinion (and that is all this was, not state backed) at least in a free country, this shows you that Russia is more free than many countries, in the US the government would never allow for such flagrant "freedom of speech". Stop attacking Russia and Serbia over democracy when you have a plank in your own eye!
Jovan, we know very well the neighbors you are, no need to make public threats.
under serb rule, we have suffered:
- mass expulsion
- mass killing
- destruction of property
- and lastly, denial of our history and heritage, like illyrian nonsense?
sadly, doesn't look like your extremism will ever get better
Well, I do not agree with this journalist when says that Djindjic deserved bullet. No one deserves bullet for having own opinion, believes and interests. I would not go that far saying that Djindjic was a traitor of the country and Western puppet. There are no doubts that he did cooperate and flirt very much with Westerners, but I think he did it because he believed in what he was doing and saying. Perhaps he believed Westerners quite much and that cost him a life. Djindjic had a power to move the things from static position, Dindjic was promoter and his spirit and strength were equal to motor. I would not be surprised if he was murdered by his friends from the West as they came to conclusion that Djindjic was a great promoter of moving forward incredibly fast which was not in the line with the Western policy towards Serbia.
On the other hand, I do agree with journalist when pointing finger in Tadic. Tadic was supposed to be with his people on the rally day and show to his people that he does care for Kosovo. He betrayed his electorate who gave him a vote for promising them both, Kosovo and the EU. He must be aware that many people vote for him rather for preserving Kosovo in Serbia’s boundaries than for EU’s integration. But, general elections are perfect mean to punish the one who does not stick to its promises. Tadic turns to be true disappointment. It would not be that huge disappointment if any one form DS showed up in the rally day on the behalf of Tadic but no one seemed to be willing to show up and express its protest. At least I haven't seen anyone
Sorry guys but Dindic was doing great work for Serbia and he was the only one who could have prevented Kosovo's independance exactly though the promotion of democracy,market forces,justice and reconciliaton. His closeness to the West would also have helped. These radicals and thugs are keeping Serbia in the dark ages. Its a shame the more democratic force are afraid of them.
Unfortunatelly, yournalisam around the world is on the low level.
Disliking someone's policies means throwing a mud on him/her and calling them names.
Miloevic was routinly called "dictator" in the Western press, despite winning in serveral elections.
Journalisam at lowest level.
at least russia has never invaded another country and bombed them. Unlike America who does what they please, and have bombed 3 countries in 9yrs! Not to mention, they blackmail all EU countries with economic aid if they don't side with their national policies. The U.S. is country who's population are arrogant and naive to everything outside the U.S borders. Americans can tell you where to invest your money, to get a divorce, kick your get out at 18, don't cook food for your kids, know what are the best universities, step inside your house and not take their dirty shoes off but they don't have 1 thing: feeling. They don't have family bond or culture, that's why they're so cold.
while justly condemning others for overstepping all red lines with their comments, such as in this case, mike, you ought to be careful, imho, not to do so yourself. what's that 'thugocracy' nonsense. how in god's name do you then describe washington?
I have never read more comments from rational and concerned Serbs than in the last several days, following the violent events in Belgrade and near the border with Kosovo.
I am so contempt with the destructive Russian attitude that promotes propaganda in Serbia and overshadows any positive elements of Serbian society.
It is encauraging to see lately that there are smart Serbs who have already taken a stance against such dirty politics and have started to make their outrage with it public. However, it is outrageous, on the other hand, that so many more continue to believe in the same Russian rehthoric that is despised by the rest of the civilized world.
I hope that finally, rational voices in Serbia will be able to emerge as a more powerful force as opposed to those in Russia which continue to be crushed even today.
Russia is and it seems that it will remain a negative force on the international stage. They pretend to be stounch supporters of the international law, yet they promote views that are void of any principles. The only characterization of Russian politics is that of Russian chauvinism. While the West takes pride in their efforts to promote democracy around the world, the Russian's national pride derives from blocking any international policy that seeks to contribute to peace and democracy. That indeed, should be a source of national shame!
It is a sin to speak ill of your brother, more so the dead, however the mythical romance of what might have been had Djindjic not been killed is flawed. Serbia's transition from Milosevic to the modern era was one of a prisoner who was released only to become a beggar. Our Western neighbors recognized this and rewarded us with demands for further humiliation and concessions.
Djindjic's policy was a policy of concessions, and he is not to be blamed because he had the mandate of the Serbian electorate.
However policy of acquiescences and concessions is not a policy of equality and dignity. The concessions that Serbia has offered the west were never received as offers of friendship. In the alternative they were seen as, and continue to be seen as, ignoble indignity.
People can vote for Tadic, offer to sell Kosovo to the first bidder, think that the same EU that took Kosovo will welcome us, and remember Djindjic as Arthur in Camelot but this will not restore Serbia's dignity. we can not beg for dignity.
Miguel de Cervantes said "Never stand begging for that which you have the power to earn."
Milos said:"at least russia has never invaded another country and bombed them. Unlike America who does what they please, and have bombed 3 countries in 9yrs!"
I hope you didn't mean that seriously. Did you forget about the invasion of Afghanistan by the Russians?
Also what was the Russian army doing in Czechoslovakia in the 60's. As for the pressure. Wasn't it pressure coming from the Russians what it exerted on the whole eastern Europe. Need I remind of the struggle of the whole eastern block trying to break free from Russia?
i cannot believe as to how people like Jovan, Brumsila
do not admit that assasination of Zoran Djindjic was done my the Milosevic's regime.
You should know by now that It was Milosevic and his big ideas that brought Serbia to its knees.
It seems that the serbs do not mind in turning the Serb civilization backwards.
Welcome to "russian democracy". When will you serbs wake up and see that russia is destroying you. You are just a toy in the hands of Putin, Lavrov, Medvedev and other russian "democrats".
Russian commentator is 100% right, B92 and Serbia have to answer one question. What do you want? There is no half way in Kosovo. West went too far to budge.
If you value EU more then your country, say it. People like Didinic got independent Kosovo for they service and loyalty to the EU west and Americans. B92 should say what its B92 stance on the issue, instead of sitting on the fence and criticize any one who does have firm view on the issue.
You counted on that EU will not recognize Kosovo but you were wrong,
Serbia was betrayed by so called friends, especially Germany, Britain and France (they have long history of betrayal – Poland special case). These countries will tolerate EU when serves them, they will not hesitate to quit EU when it stops serve their interests. First bad news, Kosovo is just beginning of dismembering what’s left from Serbia; the other areas with minorities will follow very soon. First good news is: Serbs know who their enemies are and who their real friends are. Second good news is: the beginning of the end for not so united European Union (I hope).
The question still remains: What Serbs really want?, and they will have to answer this question very soon.
Like one Serbian woman answered to an NPR reporter last Thursday, "Yes, I am willing to keep on fighting for Kosovo even if that means the destruction of Serbia."
Keep up the job Serbia/Russia. It looks like both nations want to look like they did in 1389 and 1945.
I strongly disagree with reporter. In my opinion his remark is completely wrong. Even if it his opinion he did not serve Serbia and Russia any good and Serb protest is justified.
Unfortunately we (Russians) did invade and bomb quite a few countries in the past and I am very sorry for that. In last 20 years ugly war crimes were committed not just by us (Russians) but also by us (Americans) and here one more sorry from my "other" side.
Politics is dirty politics but I have strongest objections to be called "Thugocracy". It's not funny - I have some "pleasant" names for that "KosovA" in my repertoire and please do not force me to say.
Hope one day you will see, the world is not black-and-white.
Serbs have my full support, but that does not mean I don't have few very patriotic K-Albanian friends: I do. For the time being our opinion is very different. If you want me to have more friends in Kosov"A" - please behave yourself.
It is very easy to see that albanians in their comments are trying to distantiate Serbia from Russia. But it's not going to work. Russia is the only friend of Serbia in these hard times. Without Russia, Kosovo will be gone. Even the north parts!
"After all, when was the last time Russia contributed to an international project that brought peace and stability. Never."
You're not serious, right? And when did the west bring peace and stability to anywhere? To the Middle East, probably?
If this Russian commentator made this cretinous remark he should be sacked. Zoran was too good for the Serb people, his life cut short by Milosevic,s family. People should ask themselves as to why Mira Markovic, her children, who are wanted on international arrest warrants are granted immunity/impunity by the Russians. Wake up Serbia you are decent people not the killers depicted in the western media. Zoran ,god rest your soul.
The U.S. is country who's population are arrogant and naive to everything outside the U.S borders. Americans can tell you where to invest your money, to get a divorce, kick your get out at 18, don't cook food for your kids, know what are the best universities, step inside your house and not take their dirty shoes off but they don't have 1 thing: feeling. They don't have family bond or culture, that's why they're so cold.
(milos, 23 February 2008 18:30)
IN Response to above.
Milos, not all Americans are as you describe. Although I will admit this is a majority description of Americans in general. This American non Serb, placed a very large sign in her yard on a busy highway when USA invaded Kosovo and bombed Serbia. Thsi sign was posted in English and Serbian. This sign was attacked, here in USA, in my yard. I put it back together and up again. This American came to Montenegro 7/1999 to visit with friends from on the internet during the war. This American seen the REAL Serbian population. Each citizen of each country knows their limits of ability to change their government. If you were I, who would you vote for President of USA? I say none of the above. We are all people living in politically controlled environments. I hope the world's common citizens remember this someday when all politians are gone...LOL-which will never happen. The Kosovo situation is entirely wrong. I give you this from an American, I teach my seven sons the history of Europe that they don't receive in school, I encourage them to argue their opinionated teachers this week when they condemned Serbia and Russia. I tell all I know of the positive experiences I had for six weeks in Yugoslavia. Never did I feel fear on the streets at night as I do here in USA. NEVER was I threatened by any military units or police. All Serbians were loving and protective. I will not in my lifetime listen to anyone condemn the entire Serb population for what some people may or may not have done. I will and do respond to them in an instant. I wish you all peace and pray that this battle is short and the other world's countries come forward to rule Kosovo independence illegal.
I have recently coined a new name for Russia: Thugocracy. It used to be a Putinocracy, now everyone in the position to make a difference in Russia, including journalists, are turning into thugs with fascist language and empty threats. It's no surprise that Russia is obstructing attempts to build peace and democracy in Serbia. After all, when was the last time Russia contributed to an international project that brought peace and stability. Never. It always stands in the way of the West trying in vain to earn our respect. Also Russia's threats amount to really nothing. Russian politicians are gutless. Look at their history. They killed a few poor Afghanis and burned down their own citizens in Chechnya and jailed entrepreneurs.
(Mike, 23 February 2008 18:50)
Thanks Mike for saving my time.
You have no idea how much I enjoy some of your articles!
I cant believe that russian journalists are happy that a serb primeminister was killed. Arent Russians supposed to be friends with Serbs but at the same time a russian journalist says that Djindjic got what he deserved?
Yes, sadly, this is the viewpoint of the Russian "state". If one reads the book by assassinated former FSB agent Litvinenko, it becomes clear that Russia's version of the JSO and Zemun gang were used by Putin's clique within the FSB to conduct assassinations. Time for all right thinking people to distance themselves from this mob.
This shows clearly that the intention of Russian government is to foment the unrest in Serbia and in Kosovo, to try to kill the peace and the democracy in both places. Stability in the Balkans does not interest Valdimir Putin — he needs some reason to put Russian soldiers there, you know…
i cannot believe as to how people like Jovan, Brumsila
do not admit that assasination of Zoran Djindjic was done my the Milosevic's regime.
You should know by now that It was Milosevic and his big ideas that brought Serbia to its knees.
It seems that the serbs do not mind in turning the Serb civilization backwards.
I have recently coined a new name for Russia: Thugocracy. It used to be a Putinocracy, now everyone in the position to make a difference in Russia, including journalists, are turning into thugs with fascist language and empty threats. It's no surprise that Russia is obstructing attempts to build peace and democracy in Serbia. After all, when was the last time Russia contributed to an international project that brought peace and stability. Never. It always stands in the way of the West trying in vain to earn our respect. Also Russia's threats amount to really nothing. Russian politicians are gutless. Look at their history. They killed a few poor Afghanis and burned down their own citizens in Chechnya and jailed entrepreneurs.
"Watch out of Vladimir Putin because he is not going to bring any good to Serbia.
Thank you,
(Gezim, 23 February 2008 12:17)"
my dear Gezim... don´t you worry about Serbia..
you should better worry about yourself...
because... since you certainly will have noticed, besides of that illyrian-nonsense you´ve been indoctrinated in your socalled schools...,
the Ottomans left after 500 years.. the US will let you down much faster, and Serbia is still nearby.
as for Djindjic:
he will be remembered for having violated the own constitution, by extraditing Milošević to foreign powers, although this was not allowed by the constitution.
how do we call poeple like him?
well, it seems interesting to me, that even foreigners from other countries see this as a negative behaviour.
whether he deserved the bullet, that is not my thing to judge about.
Sorry guys but Dindic was doing great work for Serbia and he was the only one who could have prevented Kosovo's independance exactly though the promotion of democracy,market forces,justice and reconciliaton. His closeness to the West would also have helped. These radicals and thugs are keeping Serbia in the dark ages. Its a shame the more democratic force are afraid of them.
Welcome to "russian democracy". When will you serbs wake up and see that russia is destroying you. You are just a toy in the hands of Putin, Lavrov, Medvedev and other russian "democrats".
I have never read more comments from rational and concerned Serbs than in the last several days, following the violent events in Belgrade and near the border with Kosovo.
I am so contempt with the destructive Russian attitude that promotes propaganda in Serbia and overshadows any positive elements of Serbian society.
It is encauraging to see lately that there are smart Serbs who have already taken a stance against such dirty politics and have started to make their outrage with it public. However, it is outrageous, on the other hand, that so many more continue to believe in the same Russian rehthoric that is despised by the rest of the civilized world.
I hope that finally, rational voices in Serbia will be able to emerge as a more powerful force as opposed to those in Russia which continue to be crushed even today.
Russia is and it seems that it will remain a negative force on the international stage. They pretend to be stounch supporters of the international law, yet they promote views that are void of any principles. The only characterization of Russian politics is that of Russian chauvinism. While the West takes pride in their efforts to promote democracy around the world, the Russian's national pride derives from blocking any international policy that seeks to contribute to peace and democracy. That indeed, should be a source of national shame!
Like one Serbian woman answered to an NPR reporter last Thursday, "Yes, I am willing to keep on fighting for Kosovo even if that means the destruction of Serbia."
Keep up the job Serbia/Russia. It looks like both nations want to look like they did in 1389 and 1945.
Milos said:"at least russia has never invaded another country and bombed them. Unlike America who does what they please, and have bombed 3 countries in 9yrs!"
I hope you didn't mean that seriously. Did you forget about the invasion of Afghanistan by the Russians?
Also what was the Russian army doing in Czechoslovakia in the 60's. As for the pressure. Wasn't it pressure coming from the Russians what it exerted on the whole eastern Europe. Need I remind of the struggle of the whole eastern block trying to break free from Russia?
Jovan, we know very well the neighbors you are, no need to make public threats.
under serb rule, we have suffered:
- mass expulsion
- mass killing
- destruction of property
- and lastly, denial of our history and heritage, like illyrian nonsense?
sadly, doesn't look like your extremism will ever get better
I have recently coined a new name for Russia: Thugocracy. It used to be a Putinocracy, now everyone in the position to make a difference in Russia, including journalists, are turning into thugs with fascist language and empty threats. It's no surprise that Russia is obstructing attempts to build peace and democracy in Serbia. After all, when was the last time Russia contributed to an international project that brought peace and stability. Never. It always stands in the way of the West trying in vain to earn our respect. Also Russia's threats amount to really nothing. Russian politicians are gutless. Look at their history. They killed a few poor Afghanis and burned down their own citizens in Chechnya and jailed entrepreneurs.
(Mike, 23 February 2008 18:50)
Thanks Mike for saving my time.
You have no idea how much I enjoy some of your articles!
If this Russian commentator made this cretinous remark he should be sacked. Zoran was too good for the Serb people, his life cut short by Milosevic,s family. People should ask themselves as to why Mira Markovic, her children, who are wanted on international arrest warrants are granted immunity/impunity by the Russians. Wake up Serbia you are decent people not the killers depicted in the western media. Zoran ,god rest your soul.
When NATO bombed Yugoslavia, Djindjic was hiding in Montenegro where is mostly safe.. and comfy. He was loved by the Clintons and Albrights and Holbrooks of the world, which goes to show how wrong he was for Serbia. He was going to sell Kosovo down the river, and certainly was answering to other governments more than he should have. He may have had his own mind, and own policies, he still had links with foreign powers, links and friendships that made you wonder. I never liked him.
As for Tadic, I find it interesting that he too was not in his capital with the protesters. I believe he was afraid for his life, because I'm sure he is being threatened by some circles.
at least russia has never invaded another country and bombed them. Unlike America who does what they please, and have bombed 3 countries in 9yrs! Not to mention, they blackmail all EU countries with economic aid if they don't side with their national policies. The U.S. is country who's population are arrogant and naive to everything outside the U.S borders. Americans can tell you where to invest your money, to get a divorce, kick your get out at 18, don't cook food for your kids, know what are the best universities, step inside your house and not take their dirty shoes off but they don't have 1 thing: feeling. They don't have family bond or culture, that's why they're so cold.
Unfortunatelly, yournalisam around the world is on the low level.
Disliking someone's policies means throwing a mud on him/her and calling them names.
Miloevic was routinly called "dictator" in the Western press, despite winning in serveral elections.
Journalisam at lowest level.
while justly condemning others for overstepping all red lines with their comments, such as in this case, mike, you ought to be careful, imho, not to do so yourself. what's that 'thugocracy' nonsense. how in god's name do you then describe washington?
It is a sin to speak ill of your brother, more so the dead, however the mythical romance of what might have been had Djindjic not been killed is flawed. Serbia's transition from Milosevic to the modern era was one of a prisoner who was released only to become a beggar. Our Western neighbors recognized this and rewarded us with demands for further humiliation and concessions.
Djindjic's policy was a policy of concessions, and he is not to be blamed because he had the mandate of the Serbian electorate.
However policy of acquiescences and concessions is not a policy of equality and dignity. The concessions that Serbia has offered the west were never received as offers of friendship. In the alternative they were seen as, and continue to be seen as, ignoble indignity.
People can vote for Tadic, offer to sell Kosovo to the first bidder, think that the same EU that took Kosovo will welcome us, and remember Djindjic as Arthur in Camelot but this will not restore Serbia's dignity. we can not beg for dignity.
Miguel de Cervantes said "Never stand begging for that which you have the power to earn."
Well, I do not agree with this journalist when says that Djindjic deserved bullet. No one deserves bullet for having own opinion, believes and interests. I would not go that far saying that Djindjic was a traitor of the country and Western puppet. There are no doubts that he did cooperate and flirt very much with Westerners, but I think he did it because he believed in what he was doing and saying. Perhaps he believed Westerners quite much and that cost him a life. Djindjic had a power to move the things from static position, Dindjic was promoter and his spirit and strength were equal to motor. I would not be surprised if he was murdered by his friends from the West as they came to conclusion that Djindjic was a great promoter of moving forward incredibly fast which was not in the line with the Western policy towards Serbia.
On the other hand, I do agree with journalist when pointing finger in Tadic. Tadic was supposed to be with his people on the rally day and show to his people that he does care for Kosovo. He betrayed his electorate who gave him a vote for promising them both, Kosovo and the EU. He must be aware that many people vote for him rather for preserving Kosovo in Serbia’s boundaries than for EU’s integration. But, general elections are perfect mean to punish the one who does not stick to its promises. Tadic turns to be true disappointment. It would not be that huge disappointment if any one form DS showed up in the rally day on the behalf of Tadic but no one seemed to be willing to show up and express its protest. At least I haven't seen anyone
It is funny how so many anti-Serb Albanians & others are defending Dindic, you can read a lot into that. My deceased Father (who had dual citizenship) was an ally of Dindic and I even have a picture of Dindic and my Father shaking hands. No person has a right to say this man or that man deserves to die, only God has that authority, but unlike my geopolitically-challenged Father I believe that Zoran D. was working against the best interests of Serbia/Serbs even if his intentions were good. I don't think Serbia should send a letter of protest even if the comments were "over the top" Russia is our stanchest ally and keeps proving this over and over. People like this reporter have a right to their opinion (and that is all this was, not state backed) at least in a free country, this shows you that Russia is more free than many countries, in the US the government would never allow for such flagrant "freedom of speech". Stop attacking Russia and Serbia over democracy when you have a plank in your own eye!
The U.S. is country who's population are arrogant and naive to everything outside the U.S borders. Americans can tell you where to invest your money, to get a divorce, kick your get out at 18, don't cook food for your kids, know what are the best universities, step inside your house and not take their dirty shoes off but they don't have 1 thing: feeling. They don't have family bond or culture, that's why they're so cold.
(milos, 23 February 2008 18:30)
IN Response to above.
Milos, not all Americans are as you describe. Although I will admit this is a majority description of Americans in general. This American non Serb, placed a very large sign in her yard on a busy highway when USA invaded Kosovo and bombed Serbia. Thsi sign was posted in English and Serbian. This sign was attacked, here in USA, in my yard. I put it back together and up again. This American came to Montenegro 7/1999 to visit with friends from on the internet during the war. This American seen the REAL Serbian population. Each citizen of each country knows their limits of ability to change their government. If you were I, who would you vote for President of USA? I say none of the above. We are all people living in politically controlled environments. I hope the world's common citizens remember this someday when all politians are gone...LOL-which will never happen. The Kosovo situation is entirely wrong. I give you this from an American, I teach my seven sons the history of Europe that they don't receive in school, I encourage them to argue their opinionated teachers this week when they condemned Serbia and Russia. I tell all I know of the positive experiences I had for six weeks in Yugoslavia. Never did I feel fear on the streets at night as I do here in USA. NEVER was I threatened by any military units or police. All Serbians were loving and protective. I will not in my lifetime listen to anyone condemn the entire Serb population for what some people may or may not have done. I will and do respond to them in an instant. I wish you all peace and pray that this battle is short and the other world's countries come forward to rule Kosovo independence illegal.
I strongly disagree with reporter. In my opinion his remark is completely wrong. Even if it his opinion he did not serve Serbia and Russia any good and Serb protest is justified.
Unfortunately we (Russians) did invade and bomb quite a few countries in the past and I am very sorry for that. In last 20 years ugly war crimes were committed not just by us (Russians) but also by us (Americans) and here one more sorry from my "other" side.
Politics is dirty politics but I have strongest objections to be called "Thugocracy". It's not funny - I have some "pleasant" names for that "KosovA" in my repertoire and please do not force me to say.
Hope one day you will see, the world is not black-and-white.
Serbs have my full support, but that does not mean I don't have few very patriotic K-Albanian friends: I do. For the time being our opinion is very different. If you want me to have more friends in Kosov"A" - please behave yourself.
It is very easy to see that albanians in their comments are trying to distantiate Serbia from Russia. But it's not going to work. Russia is the only friend of Serbia in these hard times. Without Russia, Kosovo will be gone. Even the north parts!
Russian commentator is 100% right, B92 and Serbia have to answer one question. What do you want? There is no half way in Kosovo. West went too far to budge.
If you value EU more then your country, say it. People like Didinic got independent Kosovo for they service and loyalty to the EU west and Americans. B92 should say what its B92 stance on the issue, instead of sitting on the fence and criticize any one who does have firm view on the issue.
You counted on that EU will not recognize Kosovo but you were wrong,
Serbia was betrayed by so called friends, especially Germany, Britain and France (they have long history of betrayal – Poland special case). These countries will tolerate EU when serves them, they will not hesitate to quit EU when it stops serve their interests. First bad news, Kosovo is just beginning of dismembering what’s left from Serbia; the other areas with minorities will follow very soon. First good news is: Serbs know who their enemies are and who their real friends are. Second good news is: the beginning of the end for not so united European Union (I hope).
The question still remains: What Serbs really want?, and they will have to answer this question very soon.
"After all, when was the last time Russia contributed to an international project that brought peace and stability. Never."
You're not serious, right? And when did the west bring peace and stability to anywhere? To the Middle East, probably?
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