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Prague: We owe it to Serbia

The Czech government says it is "in no hurry to recognize Kosovo", reports say.

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Petr

pre 16 godina

To Afrim and Mike.

Please take as a fact, that prevailing public oppnion here in Czechia is - Kosovo je Srbsko. President, oposition in Parliament and also significant part of governing coalition believes that Kosovo problem shall not be solved on Serb's account. Atricle shows conflict between this largelly shared opinion and official line - to support EU politics. It is not so usual that some foreign affair rings up so large disputies here.

Afrim, we have nothing against Albanians and we have traditionaly very close relation to Serbs. But regardless this strong subjective factor there is no reason why to solve statut of Kosovo another way than the same problems of areas inhabited by another language majority. It is strange that solution problems of Krajina,Bosna and Kosovo has only one joint feature - solve it against Serbs.

mike

pre 16 godina

i am not sure if you guys are reading this article right -:)

The guy says that "you loose a war you loose territory" and that "he recommended that kosova be recognized". And what we get here are some serbs that are thanking the guy and his people ... very funny.

the other guy who is saying that none of the wars in balkans are serbs faults - i suggest he go to hague and see how many serbs are in prision there - even milosevic died there.

kosova has been independent since 99 so i dont know what is the problem now and just to comment to those people who mention "international law" and how this is unjust - where were you when 1MM albanians were cleansed from kosova in 98 and over 300,000 people killed (by serbs) in croatia, slovenia, bosnia and kosova.

there are still frozen trucks in danube near belgrade with bodies of albanians .... these acts are animalistic and no matter what you say albanians just like slovenians, croatians, bosnians and even montenegrins and macedonians DONT WANT anything to do with serbia.

get people jobs and a future and dont worry about kosova and its ability to exist.

Peter Sudyka

pre 16 godina

Stev

I never thought that Milosevic attempted to secure a "Greater Serbia", all that I meant in terms of Milosevic's stance towards Kosovo in 1998 and 1999, I just meant that he did not deal with the terrorists that were harassing civilians and police, he dealt with innocent people who didn't necessarily support them, or were victims of them even.

He should have come down so heavy handedly. That is essentially all I meant. He also should have reinstated autonomy for Kosovo.

afrim hoxha

pre 16 godina

Yes,yes,yes... Remember Vaclav Havel? He was pro Kosova's Independence.
Czech republic was and is still for Kosova's Independence. If you read what the minister said is that he said that they will accept Kosova's Independence but will wait a bit until speeches of Kostunica do not have that much effect on people of Serbia.
The czech foreign minister is a politician so therefore he knows how to calm down the serbs and at the same time recognize Kosova's Independence.

Stev

pre 16 godina

“…and i just want to say, god bless you all. your support matters and we will never forget it….”
(smile, 23 February 2008 00:52)

Yes, I would also like to take this opportunity to express my deepest gratitude to all who support us.

“…Such a pity for Milosevic's policies, historically Serbia has always backed the side of good. My empathy to the Serbs in these dark days for them!
(Peter Sudyka, 22 February 2008 22:14)

Peter, western propaganda strongly influenced public opinion. Their propaganda is almost perfect, there is just one slight problem – reality is getting in the way of the good story.
Serbs are blamed as only guilty party of vicious civil war(s) of the nineties, all other parties according to that theory being innocent, peaceful victims. Further more, Serbs are accused of extreme nationalism and intent to create big Serbia by expelling, murdering and committing genocide against all other ethnic groups. It doesn’t stop even there; Kosovo Albanians are claiming that they were / are victim of some kind of perpetual genocide which Serbs keep committing upon them over the centuries.
These are accusations, now reality check - Serbia is the most multicultural country on the territory of former Yugoslavia. Number of the minorities didn’t significantly change before, during and after the war(s). Serbia also has a biggest number of refuges in Europe, one million Serbs, victims of Croat, Bosnian Muslims and Kosovo Albanians extremists. All other new states of ex-YU drastically changed national composition – before the war they had very sizable minorities – after the war almost none, they were expelled and countries became mono ethnic. Number of Kosovo Albanians, (alleged victims of genocide), keeps growing while number of Serbs, (alleged perpetrators of genocide), keeps dropping!? How all that can be if accusation are truth?

Look further in the history - how could Serbs terrorize Kosovo Albanians during long centuries of Turkish rule? Serbs were Christian “raya” without any rights and Albanians converted to Islam and promptly got all privileges and military, political, economic, you name it, power in the province. Wasn’t then other way around maybe, that Albanians terrorized Serbs?

Bosnia and Herzegovina– there was a lot of speculations about the number of war related deaths. The Research and documentation centre Sarajevo http://www.idc.org.ba/presentation/index.htm after years of work finally recently finished their research. Total number of deceased, (in BiH), is around 100 000. Ethnicity of the victims is roughly proportional to the size of ethnical group. Keep also in mind that Serbs are not responsible for all deaths of their opponents as aside from fighting against Serbs, Muslims and Croats also fought each other and Muslims even had a bloody internal conflict, Izetbegovic against Fikret Abdic.

Srebrenica – official version – Serbs massacred in cool blood 8 000 helpless man and boys. Reality – Srebrenica aside from civilians was also a sanctuary for up to 10 000 fighters of Bosnian Army under command of Naser Oric. Each night for 3 years they attacked Serb villages in the area and killed many Serb civilians and soldiers and also suffered sizeable casualties them self’s in these fights. When Serbs moved in 1995 to take the city, Naser’s fighters refused to surrender and fought their way out through Serb lines and continued engaging Serb Army during next three weeks on their way to Muslim held Tuzla. This was a heavy fighting with a lot of casualties on both sides. From Tuzla, many Muslims solders were directed to Sarajevo where they took part in unsuccessful Muslim offensive against Serb troops around the city. They suffered huge losses there.
Slobodan Milosevic – it was fashionable to blame him for absolutely everything but actually, most of the problems he had to deal with were rooted in a long and bloody history predating Milosevic for decades and even centuries in some cases. To get more realistic picture study for example Croatian extreme nationalism. (Much older then S. Milosevic). Also, he was a public figure. All of his speeches, interviews, meetings, articles… are recorded and easy to find. Read them and let me know when you find in them anything resembling plans for ethnically poor “Great Serbia”, or nationalistic in general, aggressive, insulting to other nations, or negative in any way.

smile

pre 16 godina

yesterday i read so many beautiful messages from romanians, in another article, and these days from czechs and poles and russians, and greeks, and i just want to say, god bless you all. your support matters and we will never forget it.

Petr

pre 16 godina

Dear Serbian friends, long time ago I have not seen so many emotions for some foreign politics topic as I see now after Kosovo's declaration.
1.Of course we feel heart and strong relations to Serbs who stood by us in hard times (38,68)however in 38 it was more moral support of people than real support of Stojadinovic's government. It is hard to find second example of such closeness.

2.Of course we regard it as Munich 2008. No one here wanted split of Jugoslavija but also no one here liked Milosevic (as well as Tudjman or Izetbegovic) but he and his times are gon nearly 10 years. It looks this fact was not underestood fully in USA and Western Europe and the cliche that Serbs are purpose of all bad at Balkans and therefore is reasonable and good to find any solution to punish them. This is the point of view we don't share here in Czechia of course. There were three demonstrations in Prague yet, there are petitions against recognition of Kosovo,there is decision of Parliament that government shall not recognise separated Kosovo. Government's main motivation is to be conform with EU politics but you can feel that in this case it is hard for them they can't ignore what we feel to Serbs such easilly. Please believe that Serbs are not alone I hope Czechs will find the way how to support You. Petr, Czechia

Peter Sudyka

pre 16 godina

I can see the Czechs, like us Poles, are reconsidering their stance on Kosovo. Look, I empathize with what the Albanians have gone through, but Serbia is really being punished here by the West. They always fought on the side of good in both World Wars, always trying to rid Europe of European tyranny, be it German or Ottoman, it really does make me feel bad that the West has forgotten about how Serbia 's contribution to a free Europe in the last century.

Such a pity for Milosevic's policies, historically Serbia has always backed the side of good. My empathy to the Serbs in these dark days for them!

Dragan

pre 16 godina

I certainly hope the Czechs stand up to the very same bullies that recognized the Sudetanland and gave it away to Hitler.
I have no doubt that the Czech people are with the Serbs, just as they were overwhelminly during the 78 days of criminal and illegal bombing of Serbia back in '99. The only question is, will their politicians do what their people want.
I hope they choose the path of truth and justice.

Martin

pre 16 godina

First I want to say that I am sorry for my government....

Most people in Czech republic are against the independence of Kosovo...but our government doesn´t care so much....I am afraid that it is really just matter of time.....

There are many reasons why Kosovo should not be independent....(violation of international law, unviability of Kosovo, historical and religious importance of Kosovo for Serbian people, dangerous precedent for future, destabilisation of region and so on)

But what are the positives? There can be positives for Albanian inhabitants of Kosovo....but how is it good for USA and European countries? To all participating states can happen the same thing as happened to Serbia..... Newcomers with higher fertility can easily replace preceding population and they can demand the same thing as today Albanians in Kosovo and they then rightly use this example as precedent.....

In short term can be independence very conveniant, it seems that Kosovo has huge resources of minerals and of coal.....but in long term it all seems quite hazardous and "unique" status of Kosovo is by my opinion unsustainable....

Ronald

pre 16 godina

@(ben, 22 February 2008 18:32),

What'sup,can handle the thruth that Albanias helped the Nazi's???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albania_under_Nazi_Germany

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/21st_Waffen_Mountain_Division_of_the_SS_Skanderbeg_%281st_Albanian%29

i would sue Wikipedia if i where you, they are obvious lying offcourse.

Zoran

pre 16 godina

My Mother is half Czech (maiden name Nemec), and I urge my Czech Brothers & Sisters to support/stand by my Serbian Brothers & Sisters in their struggle for freedom and justice!!!

Jovan

pre 16 godina

my dear Maks...

I won´t mention you broken english...but, could you please enlighten us details...

could you name those "100 countries", please?

just in case you´d like to educate yourself...:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_reaction_to_the_2008_Kosovo_declaration_of_independence

Peter

pre 16 godina

The Sudetenland was not inhabited by a German minority. Germans were the overwhelming majority of the Sudetenland. The Western and Northern parts of Bohemia were also Frankish and not Czech until they became part of Bohemia in the Middle Ages. Hence the Sudetenland cannot be compared to Kosovo. Also, terriroty has often chenged natioanlity after War like circumstances. The Vojvodina, for example, was part of Hungary until 1918 for 900 years.For Hungarians the Vojvodina has a similar historical significance than the Kosovo to the Serbs. Would Serbia give up the Vojvodina in exchange for the Kosovo?

My opinion on the matter: 1.the Kosovo and the Vojvodia should be placed under shared administration between ALbania and Serbia as well as between Hungary and Serbia respectively. This is entirely possible in a United Europe and very much in the interest of all pupulation groups. All Serbs that were expelled should return. (2) The Sudetenland should be placed under shared administration between Germany and the Czech Republic. All expelled Germans should be given the opportunity to return. This is the only way to a just situation for all ethnic groups affected.

ben

pre 16 godina

Defamation is something forbidden, also by the B92 rules isn’t it?

The moderator should start to band the defamatory statements of teh Serbians here, that Albania was allied with Nazi Germany and Italy.

Albanian kingdom was defeated by Italians there was no Gov.t who could alley with someone. Albanians started to organize their resistance as all other nations did.

My uncle lost an eye in the Srem fornt fighting Germans, my grandfather was fighting as partisan till Trieste. Albanian partisans of Hoxha were fighting till close to Sarajevo and liberate Kosova and western Macedonia.

The ridiculous and most defamatory part is painted by the above poster/s by stating that all nations in ex Yugo were Nazi collaborators except Serbians. Which is patently false, you had Chetniks and Drazists collaborating with Nazis.

If we continue to spread lies we cannot find peace isn’t it B92?

BKK

pre 16 godina

I'm sure everyone cared when Albania left Warsaw pact.
Czech were particually impressed with Albanian alliance with the Axes some 25 years previous to that.

konstantin gregovic

pre 16 godina

RE: Czech Republic, Slovakia & Czechoslovakia

Yugoslavia at great cost in 1941 said no to Hitler and his henchman and paid the price with the total dismemberment of Yugoslavia with the Nazi's puppet governments in Croatia, Bosnia(Hanzar Division) and in Kosovo.

Prime minister Benes and the Czech parliament said NO to Hitler and his false propaganda that the Czechs were discriminating against the German minority in the Sudetenland.

The Slovakians have learned from past mistakes when they sided with the Hungarian Admiral Horthy who took the remnants of Slovakia.

Slovakia has said NO to the EU invasion of Kosovo. The Czechs owe it to Prime Minister Benes and the Czech Parliament in 1938 to say

NO to the EU invasion of Kosovo

NO to KLA Terrorist proxy Hacim Thaci

NO to EU envoy Javier Solana

NO to George Bush

Prime Minister Benes of Czechoslavia in 1938 bravely said:

NO to Adolph Hitler
NO to Benito Mussoloni
NO to Admiral Horthy
NO to Neville Chamberlain
NO to Von Runstedt.

ben

pre 16 godina

In 1968 cause of the Russian invasion of Czechoslovakia as a protest Albania left the Warsaw pact- and it wasn’t a joke to do that in those times

You owe to Albania too, Mr selective largeethnic-linked memory

Maks

pre 16 godina

"I am in no hurry on this matter, but we cannot exclude ourselves from the European trends," Schwarzenberg said, and added he expected a "negative reaction from Belgrade."
It cannot be better.
I just a week and almost 100 coutries already recognized or agree to recognize when time is write. The same thing Schwarzenberg is saying. When Serbs will cool down, we will recognize Kosovo like any other Europian country.
Thank Schwarzenberg. We do understand you.

konstantin gregovic

pre 16 godina

RE: Czech Republic, Slovakia & Czechoslovakia

Yugoslavia at great cost in 1941 said no to Hitler and his henchman and paid the price with the total dismemberment of Yugoslavia with the Nazi's puppet governments in Croatia, Bosnia(Hanzar Division) and in Kosovo.

Prime minister Benes and the Czech parliament said NO to Hitler and his false propaganda that the Czechs were discriminating against the German minority in the Sudetenland.

The Slovakians have learned from past mistakes when they sided with the Hungarian Admiral Horthy who took the remnants of Slovakia.

Slovakia has said NO to the EU invasion of Kosovo. The Czechs owe it to Prime Minister Benes and the Czech Parliament in 1938 to say

NO to the EU invasion of Kosovo

NO to KLA Terrorist proxy Hacim Thaci

NO to EU envoy Javier Solana

NO to George Bush

Prime Minister Benes of Czechoslavia in 1938 bravely said:

NO to Adolph Hitler
NO to Benito Mussoloni
NO to Admiral Horthy
NO to Neville Chamberlain
NO to Von Runstedt.

BKK

pre 16 godina

I'm sure everyone cared when Albania left Warsaw pact.
Czech were particually impressed with Albanian alliance with the Axes some 25 years previous to that.

Peter Sudyka

pre 16 godina

I can see the Czechs, like us Poles, are reconsidering their stance on Kosovo. Look, I empathize with what the Albanians have gone through, but Serbia is really being punished here by the West. They always fought on the side of good in both World Wars, always trying to rid Europe of European tyranny, be it German or Ottoman, it really does make me feel bad that the West has forgotten about how Serbia 's contribution to a free Europe in the last century.

Such a pity for Milosevic's policies, historically Serbia has always backed the side of good. My empathy to the Serbs in these dark days for them!

Zoran

pre 16 godina

My Mother is half Czech (maiden name Nemec), and I urge my Czech Brothers & Sisters to support/stand by my Serbian Brothers & Sisters in their struggle for freedom and justice!!!

Dragan

pre 16 godina

I certainly hope the Czechs stand up to the very same bullies that recognized the Sudetanland and gave it away to Hitler.
I have no doubt that the Czech people are with the Serbs, just as they were overwhelminly during the 78 days of criminal and illegal bombing of Serbia back in '99. The only question is, will their politicians do what their people want.
I hope they choose the path of truth and justice.

smile

pre 16 godina

yesterday i read so many beautiful messages from romanians, in another article, and these days from czechs and poles and russians, and greeks, and i just want to say, god bless you all. your support matters and we will never forget it.

Martin

pre 16 godina

First I want to say that I am sorry for my government....

Most people in Czech republic are against the independence of Kosovo...but our government doesn´t care so much....I am afraid that it is really just matter of time.....

There are many reasons why Kosovo should not be independent....(violation of international law, unviability of Kosovo, historical and religious importance of Kosovo for Serbian people, dangerous precedent for future, destabilisation of region and so on)

But what are the positives? There can be positives for Albanian inhabitants of Kosovo....but how is it good for USA and European countries? To all participating states can happen the same thing as happened to Serbia..... Newcomers with higher fertility can easily replace preceding population and they can demand the same thing as today Albanians in Kosovo and they then rightly use this example as precedent.....

In short term can be independence very conveniant, it seems that Kosovo has huge resources of minerals and of coal.....but in long term it all seems quite hazardous and "unique" status of Kosovo is by my opinion unsustainable....

Petr

pre 16 godina

Dear Serbian friends, long time ago I have not seen so many emotions for some foreign politics topic as I see now after Kosovo's declaration.
1.Of course we feel heart and strong relations to Serbs who stood by us in hard times (38,68)however in 38 it was more moral support of people than real support of Stojadinovic's government. It is hard to find second example of such closeness.

2.Of course we regard it as Munich 2008. No one here wanted split of Jugoslavija but also no one here liked Milosevic (as well as Tudjman or Izetbegovic) but he and his times are gon nearly 10 years. It looks this fact was not underestood fully in USA and Western Europe and the cliche that Serbs are purpose of all bad at Balkans and therefore is reasonable and good to find any solution to punish them. This is the point of view we don't share here in Czechia of course. There were three demonstrations in Prague yet, there are petitions against recognition of Kosovo,there is decision of Parliament that government shall not recognise separated Kosovo. Government's main motivation is to be conform with EU politics but you can feel that in this case it is hard for them they can't ignore what we feel to Serbs such easilly. Please believe that Serbs are not alone I hope Czechs will find the way how to support You. Petr, Czechia

Jovan

pre 16 godina

my dear Maks...

I won´t mention you broken english...but, could you please enlighten us details...

could you name those "100 countries", please?

just in case you´d like to educate yourself...:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_reaction_to_the_2008_Kosovo_declaration_of_independence

Ronald

pre 16 godina

@(ben, 22 February 2008 18:32),

What'sup,can handle the thruth that Albanias helped the Nazi's???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albania_under_Nazi_Germany

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/21st_Waffen_Mountain_Division_of_the_SS_Skanderbeg_%281st_Albanian%29

i would sue Wikipedia if i where you, they are obvious lying offcourse.

Stev

pre 16 godina

“…and i just want to say, god bless you all. your support matters and we will never forget it….”
(smile, 23 February 2008 00:52)

Yes, I would also like to take this opportunity to express my deepest gratitude to all who support us.

“…Such a pity for Milosevic's policies, historically Serbia has always backed the side of good. My empathy to the Serbs in these dark days for them!
(Peter Sudyka, 22 February 2008 22:14)

Peter, western propaganda strongly influenced public opinion. Their propaganda is almost perfect, there is just one slight problem – reality is getting in the way of the good story.
Serbs are blamed as only guilty party of vicious civil war(s) of the nineties, all other parties according to that theory being innocent, peaceful victims. Further more, Serbs are accused of extreme nationalism and intent to create big Serbia by expelling, murdering and committing genocide against all other ethnic groups. It doesn’t stop even there; Kosovo Albanians are claiming that they were / are victim of some kind of perpetual genocide which Serbs keep committing upon them over the centuries.
These are accusations, now reality check - Serbia is the most multicultural country on the territory of former Yugoslavia. Number of the minorities didn’t significantly change before, during and after the war(s). Serbia also has a biggest number of refuges in Europe, one million Serbs, victims of Croat, Bosnian Muslims and Kosovo Albanians extremists. All other new states of ex-YU drastically changed national composition – before the war they had very sizable minorities – after the war almost none, they were expelled and countries became mono ethnic. Number of Kosovo Albanians, (alleged victims of genocide), keeps growing while number of Serbs, (alleged perpetrators of genocide), keeps dropping!? How all that can be if accusation are truth?

Look further in the history - how could Serbs terrorize Kosovo Albanians during long centuries of Turkish rule? Serbs were Christian “raya” without any rights and Albanians converted to Islam and promptly got all privileges and military, political, economic, you name it, power in the province. Wasn’t then other way around maybe, that Albanians terrorized Serbs?

Bosnia and Herzegovina– there was a lot of speculations about the number of war related deaths. The Research and documentation centre Sarajevo http://www.idc.org.ba/presentation/index.htm after years of work finally recently finished their research. Total number of deceased, (in BiH), is around 100 000. Ethnicity of the victims is roughly proportional to the size of ethnical group. Keep also in mind that Serbs are not responsible for all deaths of their opponents as aside from fighting against Serbs, Muslims and Croats also fought each other and Muslims even had a bloody internal conflict, Izetbegovic against Fikret Abdic.

Srebrenica – official version – Serbs massacred in cool blood 8 000 helpless man and boys. Reality – Srebrenica aside from civilians was also a sanctuary for up to 10 000 fighters of Bosnian Army under command of Naser Oric. Each night for 3 years they attacked Serb villages in the area and killed many Serb civilians and soldiers and also suffered sizeable casualties them self’s in these fights. When Serbs moved in 1995 to take the city, Naser’s fighters refused to surrender and fought their way out through Serb lines and continued engaging Serb Army during next three weeks on their way to Muslim held Tuzla. This was a heavy fighting with a lot of casualties on both sides. From Tuzla, many Muslims solders were directed to Sarajevo where they took part in unsuccessful Muslim offensive against Serb troops around the city. They suffered huge losses there.
Slobodan Milosevic – it was fashionable to blame him for absolutely everything but actually, most of the problems he had to deal with were rooted in a long and bloody history predating Milosevic for decades and even centuries in some cases. To get more realistic picture study for example Croatian extreme nationalism. (Much older then S. Milosevic). Also, he was a public figure. All of his speeches, interviews, meetings, articles… are recorded and easy to find. Read them and let me know when you find in them anything resembling plans for ethnically poor “Great Serbia”, or nationalistic in general, aggressive, insulting to other nations, or negative in any way.

ben

pre 16 godina

Defamation is something forbidden, also by the B92 rules isn’t it?

The moderator should start to band the defamatory statements of teh Serbians here, that Albania was allied with Nazi Germany and Italy.

Albanian kingdom was defeated by Italians there was no Gov.t who could alley with someone. Albanians started to organize their resistance as all other nations did.

My uncle lost an eye in the Srem fornt fighting Germans, my grandfather was fighting as partisan till Trieste. Albanian partisans of Hoxha were fighting till close to Sarajevo and liberate Kosova and western Macedonia.

The ridiculous and most defamatory part is painted by the above poster/s by stating that all nations in ex Yugo were Nazi collaborators except Serbians. Which is patently false, you had Chetniks and Drazists collaborating with Nazis.

If we continue to spread lies we cannot find peace isn’t it B92?

Maks

pre 16 godina

"I am in no hurry on this matter, but we cannot exclude ourselves from the European trends," Schwarzenberg said, and added he expected a "negative reaction from Belgrade."
It cannot be better.
I just a week and almost 100 coutries already recognized or agree to recognize when time is write. The same thing Schwarzenberg is saying. When Serbs will cool down, we will recognize Kosovo like any other Europian country.
Thank Schwarzenberg. We do understand you.

ben

pre 16 godina

In 1968 cause of the Russian invasion of Czechoslovakia as a protest Albania left the Warsaw pact- and it wasn’t a joke to do that in those times

You owe to Albania too, Mr selective largeethnic-linked memory

Peter

pre 16 godina

The Sudetenland was not inhabited by a German minority. Germans were the overwhelming majority of the Sudetenland. The Western and Northern parts of Bohemia were also Frankish and not Czech until they became part of Bohemia in the Middle Ages. Hence the Sudetenland cannot be compared to Kosovo. Also, terriroty has often chenged natioanlity after War like circumstances. The Vojvodina, for example, was part of Hungary until 1918 for 900 years.For Hungarians the Vojvodina has a similar historical significance than the Kosovo to the Serbs. Would Serbia give up the Vojvodina in exchange for the Kosovo?

My opinion on the matter: 1.the Kosovo and the Vojvodia should be placed under shared administration between ALbania and Serbia as well as between Hungary and Serbia respectively. This is entirely possible in a United Europe and very much in the interest of all pupulation groups. All Serbs that were expelled should return. (2) The Sudetenland should be placed under shared administration between Germany and the Czech Republic. All expelled Germans should be given the opportunity to return. This is the only way to a just situation for all ethnic groups affected.

mike

pre 16 godina

i am not sure if you guys are reading this article right -:)

The guy says that "you loose a war you loose territory" and that "he recommended that kosova be recognized". And what we get here are some serbs that are thanking the guy and his people ... very funny.

the other guy who is saying that none of the wars in balkans are serbs faults - i suggest he go to hague and see how many serbs are in prision there - even milosevic died there.

kosova has been independent since 99 so i dont know what is the problem now and just to comment to those people who mention "international law" and how this is unjust - where were you when 1MM albanians were cleansed from kosova in 98 and over 300,000 people killed (by serbs) in croatia, slovenia, bosnia and kosova.

there are still frozen trucks in danube near belgrade with bodies of albanians .... these acts are animalistic and no matter what you say albanians just like slovenians, croatians, bosnians and even montenegrins and macedonians DONT WANT anything to do with serbia.

get people jobs and a future and dont worry about kosova and its ability to exist.

Peter Sudyka

pre 16 godina

Stev

I never thought that Milosevic attempted to secure a "Greater Serbia", all that I meant in terms of Milosevic's stance towards Kosovo in 1998 and 1999, I just meant that he did not deal with the terrorists that were harassing civilians and police, he dealt with innocent people who didn't necessarily support them, or were victims of them even.

He should have come down so heavy handedly. That is essentially all I meant. He also should have reinstated autonomy for Kosovo.

afrim hoxha

pre 16 godina

Yes,yes,yes... Remember Vaclav Havel? He was pro Kosova's Independence.
Czech republic was and is still for Kosova's Independence. If you read what the minister said is that he said that they will accept Kosova's Independence but will wait a bit until speeches of Kostunica do not have that much effect on people of Serbia.
The czech foreign minister is a politician so therefore he knows how to calm down the serbs and at the same time recognize Kosova's Independence.

Petr

pre 16 godina

To Afrim and Mike.

Please take as a fact, that prevailing public oppnion here in Czechia is - Kosovo je Srbsko. President, oposition in Parliament and also significant part of governing coalition believes that Kosovo problem shall not be solved on Serb's account. Atricle shows conflict between this largelly shared opinion and official line - to support EU politics. It is not so usual that some foreign affair rings up so large disputies here.

Afrim, we have nothing against Albanians and we have traditionaly very close relation to Serbs. But regardless this strong subjective factor there is no reason why to solve statut of Kosovo another way than the same problems of areas inhabited by another language majority. It is strange that solution problems of Krajina,Bosna and Kosovo has only one joint feature - solve it against Serbs.

Maks

pre 16 godina

"I am in no hurry on this matter, but we cannot exclude ourselves from the European trends," Schwarzenberg said, and added he expected a "negative reaction from Belgrade."
It cannot be better.
I just a week and almost 100 coutries already recognized or agree to recognize when time is write. The same thing Schwarzenberg is saying. When Serbs will cool down, we will recognize Kosovo like any other Europian country.
Thank Schwarzenberg. We do understand you.

ben

pre 16 godina

Defamation is something forbidden, also by the B92 rules isn’t it?

The moderator should start to band the defamatory statements of teh Serbians here, that Albania was allied with Nazi Germany and Italy.

Albanian kingdom was defeated by Italians there was no Gov.t who could alley with someone. Albanians started to organize their resistance as all other nations did.

My uncle lost an eye in the Srem fornt fighting Germans, my grandfather was fighting as partisan till Trieste. Albanian partisans of Hoxha were fighting till close to Sarajevo and liberate Kosova and western Macedonia.

The ridiculous and most defamatory part is painted by the above poster/s by stating that all nations in ex Yugo were Nazi collaborators except Serbians. Which is patently false, you had Chetniks and Drazists collaborating with Nazis.

If we continue to spread lies we cannot find peace isn’t it B92?

ben

pre 16 godina

In 1968 cause of the Russian invasion of Czechoslovakia as a protest Albania left the Warsaw pact- and it wasn’t a joke to do that in those times

You owe to Albania too, Mr selective largeethnic-linked memory

BKK

pre 16 godina

I'm sure everyone cared when Albania left Warsaw pact.
Czech were particually impressed with Albanian alliance with the Axes some 25 years previous to that.

Peter

pre 16 godina

The Sudetenland was not inhabited by a German minority. Germans were the overwhelming majority of the Sudetenland. The Western and Northern parts of Bohemia were also Frankish and not Czech until they became part of Bohemia in the Middle Ages. Hence the Sudetenland cannot be compared to Kosovo. Also, terriroty has often chenged natioanlity after War like circumstances. The Vojvodina, for example, was part of Hungary until 1918 for 900 years.For Hungarians the Vojvodina has a similar historical significance than the Kosovo to the Serbs. Would Serbia give up the Vojvodina in exchange for the Kosovo?

My opinion on the matter: 1.the Kosovo and the Vojvodia should be placed under shared administration between ALbania and Serbia as well as between Hungary and Serbia respectively. This is entirely possible in a United Europe and very much in the interest of all pupulation groups. All Serbs that were expelled should return. (2) The Sudetenland should be placed under shared administration between Germany and the Czech Republic. All expelled Germans should be given the opportunity to return. This is the only way to a just situation for all ethnic groups affected.

konstantin gregovic

pre 16 godina

RE: Czech Republic, Slovakia & Czechoslovakia

Yugoslavia at great cost in 1941 said no to Hitler and his henchman and paid the price with the total dismemberment of Yugoslavia with the Nazi's puppet governments in Croatia, Bosnia(Hanzar Division) and in Kosovo.

Prime minister Benes and the Czech parliament said NO to Hitler and his false propaganda that the Czechs were discriminating against the German minority in the Sudetenland.

The Slovakians have learned from past mistakes when they sided with the Hungarian Admiral Horthy who took the remnants of Slovakia.

Slovakia has said NO to the EU invasion of Kosovo. The Czechs owe it to Prime Minister Benes and the Czech Parliament in 1938 to say

NO to the EU invasion of Kosovo

NO to KLA Terrorist proxy Hacim Thaci

NO to EU envoy Javier Solana

NO to George Bush

Prime Minister Benes of Czechoslavia in 1938 bravely said:

NO to Adolph Hitler
NO to Benito Mussoloni
NO to Admiral Horthy
NO to Neville Chamberlain
NO to Von Runstedt.

afrim hoxha

pre 16 godina

Yes,yes,yes... Remember Vaclav Havel? He was pro Kosova's Independence.
Czech republic was and is still for Kosova's Independence. If you read what the minister said is that he said that they will accept Kosova's Independence but will wait a bit until speeches of Kostunica do not have that much effect on people of Serbia.
The czech foreign minister is a politician so therefore he knows how to calm down the serbs and at the same time recognize Kosova's Independence.

mike

pre 16 godina

i am not sure if you guys are reading this article right -:)

The guy says that "you loose a war you loose territory" and that "he recommended that kosova be recognized". And what we get here are some serbs that are thanking the guy and his people ... very funny.

the other guy who is saying that none of the wars in balkans are serbs faults - i suggest he go to hague and see how many serbs are in prision there - even milosevic died there.

kosova has been independent since 99 so i dont know what is the problem now and just to comment to those people who mention "international law" and how this is unjust - where were you when 1MM albanians were cleansed from kosova in 98 and over 300,000 people killed (by serbs) in croatia, slovenia, bosnia and kosova.

there are still frozen trucks in danube near belgrade with bodies of albanians .... these acts are animalistic and no matter what you say albanians just like slovenians, croatians, bosnians and even montenegrins and macedonians DONT WANT anything to do with serbia.

get people jobs and a future and dont worry about kosova and its ability to exist.

Jovan

pre 16 godina

my dear Maks...

I won´t mention you broken english...but, could you please enlighten us details...

could you name those "100 countries", please?

just in case you´d like to educate yourself...:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_reaction_to_the_2008_Kosovo_declaration_of_independence

Zoran

pre 16 godina

My Mother is half Czech (maiden name Nemec), and I urge my Czech Brothers & Sisters to support/stand by my Serbian Brothers & Sisters in their struggle for freedom and justice!!!

Ronald

pre 16 godina

@(ben, 22 February 2008 18:32),

What'sup,can handle the thruth that Albanias helped the Nazi's???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albania_under_Nazi_Germany

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/21st_Waffen_Mountain_Division_of_the_SS_Skanderbeg_%281st_Albanian%29

i would sue Wikipedia if i where you, they are obvious lying offcourse.

Martin

pre 16 godina

First I want to say that I am sorry for my government....

Most people in Czech republic are against the independence of Kosovo...but our government doesn´t care so much....I am afraid that it is really just matter of time.....

There are many reasons why Kosovo should not be independent....(violation of international law, unviability of Kosovo, historical and religious importance of Kosovo for Serbian people, dangerous precedent for future, destabilisation of region and so on)

But what are the positives? There can be positives for Albanian inhabitants of Kosovo....but how is it good for USA and European countries? To all participating states can happen the same thing as happened to Serbia..... Newcomers with higher fertility can easily replace preceding population and they can demand the same thing as today Albanians in Kosovo and they then rightly use this example as precedent.....

In short term can be independence very conveniant, it seems that Kosovo has huge resources of minerals and of coal.....but in long term it all seems quite hazardous and "unique" status of Kosovo is by my opinion unsustainable....

Peter Sudyka

pre 16 godina

I can see the Czechs, like us Poles, are reconsidering their stance on Kosovo. Look, I empathize with what the Albanians have gone through, but Serbia is really being punished here by the West. They always fought on the side of good in both World Wars, always trying to rid Europe of European tyranny, be it German or Ottoman, it really does make me feel bad that the West has forgotten about how Serbia 's contribution to a free Europe in the last century.

Such a pity for Milosevic's policies, historically Serbia has always backed the side of good. My empathy to the Serbs in these dark days for them!

Dragan

pre 16 godina

I certainly hope the Czechs stand up to the very same bullies that recognized the Sudetanland and gave it away to Hitler.
I have no doubt that the Czech people are with the Serbs, just as they were overwhelminly during the 78 days of criminal and illegal bombing of Serbia back in '99. The only question is, will their politicians do what their people want.
I hope they choose the path of truth and justice.

Petr

pre 16 godina

Dear Serbian friends, long time ago I have not seen so many emotions for some foreign politics topic as I see now after Kosovo's declaration.
1.Of course we feel heart and strong relations to Serbs who stood by us in hard times (38,68)however in 38 it was more moral support of people than real support of Stojadinovic's government. It is hard to find second example of such closeness.

2.Of course we regard it as Munich 2008. No one here wanted split of Jugoslavija but also no one here liked Milosevic (as well as Tudjman or Izetbegovic) but he and his times are gon nearly 10 years. It looks this fact was not underestood fully in USA and Western Europe and the cliche that Serbs are purpose of all bad at Balkans and therefore is reasonable and good to find any solution to punish them. This is the point of view we don't share here in Czechia of course. There were three demonstrations in Prague yet, there are petitions against recognition of Kosovo,there is decision of Parliament that government shall not recognise separated Kosovo. Government's main motivation is to be conform with EU politics but you can feel that in this case it is hard for them they can't ignore what we feel to Serbs such easilly. Please believe that Serbs are not alone I hope Czechs will find the way how to support You. Petr, Czechia

smile

pre 16 godina

yesterday i read so many beautiful messages from romanians, in another article, and these days from czechs and poles and russians, and greeks, and i just want to say, god bless you all. your support matters and we will never forget it.

Stev

pre 16 godina

“…and i just want to say, god bless you all. your support matters and we will never forget it….”
(smile, 23 February 2008 00:52)

Yes, I would also like to take this opportunity to express my deepest gratitude to all who support us.

“…Such a pity for Milosevic's policies, historically Serbia has always backed the side of good. My empathy to the Serbs in these dark days for them!
(Peter Sudyka, 22 February 2008 22:14)

Peter, western propaganda strongly influenced public opinion. Their propaganda is almost perfect, there is just one slight problem – reality is getting in the way of the good story.
Serbs are blamed as only guilty party of vicious civil war(s) of the nineties, all other parties according to that theory being innocent, peaceful victims. Further more, Serbs are accused of extreme nationalism and intent to create big Serbia by expelling, murdering and committing genocide against all other ethnic groups. It doesn’t stop even there; Kosovo Albanians are claiming that they were / are victim of some kind of perpetual genocide which Serbs keep committing upon them over the centuries.
These are accusations, now reality check - Serbia is the most multicultural country on the territory of former Yugoslavia. Number of the minorities didn’t significantly change before, during and after the war(s). Serbia also has a biggest number of refuges in Europe, one million Serbs, victims of Croat, Bosnian Muslims and Kosovo Albanians extremists. All other new states of ex-YU drastically changed national composition – before the war they had very sizable minorities – after the war almost none, they were expelled and countries became mono ethnic. Number of Kosovo Albanians, (alleged victims of genocide), keeps growing while number of Serbs, (alleged perpetrators of genocide), keeps dropping!? How all that can be if accusation are truth?

Look further in the history - how could Serbs terrorize Kosovo Albanians during long centuries of Turkish rule? Serbs were Christian “raya” without any rights and Albanians converted to Islam and promptly got all privileges and military, political, economic, you name it, power in the province. Wasn’t then other way around maybe, that Albanians terrorized Serbs?

Bosnia and Herzegovina– there was a lot of speculations about the number of war related deaths. The Research and documentation centre Sarajevo http://www.idc.org.ba/presentation/index.htm after years of work finally recently finished their research. Total number of deceased, (in BiH), is around 100 000. Ethnicity of the victims is roughly proportional to the size of ethnical group. Keep also in mind that Serbs are not responsible for all deaths of their opponents as aside from fighting against Serbs, Muslims and Croats also fought each other and Muslims even had a bloody internal conflict, Izetbegovic against Fikret Abdic.

Srebrenica – official version – Serbs massacred in cool blood 8 000 helpless man and boys. Reality – Srebrenica aside from civilians was also a sanctuary for up to 10 000 fighters of Bosnian Army under command of Naser Oric. Each night for 3 years they attacked Serb villages in the area and killed many Serb civilians and soldiers and also suffered sizeable casualties them self’s in these fights. When Serbs moved in 1995 to take the city, Naser’s fighters refused to surrender and fought their way out through Serb lines and continued engaging Serb Army during next three weeks on their way to Muslim held Tuzla. This was a heavy fighting with a lot of casualties on both sides. From Tuzla, many Muslims solders were directed to Sarajevo where they took part in unsuccessful Muslim offensive against Serb troops around the city. They suffered huge losses there.
Slobodan Milosevic – it was fashionable to blame him for absolutely everything but actually, most of the problems he had to deal with were rooted in a long and bloody history predating Milosevic for decades and even centuries in some cases. To get more realistic picture study for example Croatian extreme nationalism. (Much older then S. Milosevic). Also, he was a public figure. All of his speeches, interviews, meetings, articles… are recorded and easy to find. Read them and let me know when you find in them anything resembling plans for ethnically poor “Great Serbia”, or nationalistic in general, aggressive, insulting to other nations, or negative in any way.

Peter Sudyka

pre 16 godina

Stev

I never thought that Milosevic attempted to secure a "Greater Serbia", all that I meant in terms of Milosevic's stance towards Kosovo in 1998 and 1999, I just meant that he did not deal with the terrorists that were harassing civilians and police, he dealt with innocent people who didn't necessarily support them, or were victims of them even.

He should have come down so heavy handedly. That is essentially all I meant. He also should have reinstated autonomy for Kosovo.

Petr

pre 16 godina

To Afrim and Mike.

Please take as a fact, that prevailing public oppnion here in Czechia is - Kosovo je Srbsko. President, oposition in Parliament and also significant part of governing coalition believes that Kosovo problem shall not be solved on Serb's account. Atricle shows conflict between this largelly shared opinion and official line - to support EU politics. It is not so usual that some foreign affair rings up so large disputies here.

Afrim, we have nothing against Albanians and we have traditionaly very close relation to Serbs. But regardless this strong subjective factor there is no reason why to solve statut of Kosovo another way than the same problems of areas inhabited by another language majority. It is strange that solution problems of Krajina,Bosna and Kosovo has only one joint feature - solve it against Serbs.