UN condemns violence, DSS defiant

Franz Kafka would make a brilliant story out of this. So let me get this straight, since maybe I'm missing something, but the US bypasses the UN, tramples on international law, commits an illegal act not seen since Adolf Hitler and Czechoslovakia, and these Americans have the audacity to point their finger and ask the UN to condemn this? This logic is beyond believable. In fact, Hillary Clinton even said that she would make Serbia answer to international law. I am stunned. Not because I don't expect this from these Western powers and western politicians, but I'm stunned at how flagrant and obvious this crime is, and how so many people are blind to it. I don't care what country is being carved up, it could be a country in Africa or Asia, the idea that the US will trample on international law, ignore the UN completely, and then use the UN to condemn the Serbs as the bad guys is insanity!!!!! No one with any education could possibly see this any different. Perhaps the world is truly full of dumb people because I don't see how anyone can even ignore this disgusting fact.

You are right Mr Khalilzad these things should not happen and cannot be excused but let me tell you that also millions of people are chocked about ur completely irresponsible foreign policy.
Why are you turning now to the UN whereas you have turn your back to them not so long ago...
Double standards, I believe that's the way your administration like call it!

Accidents will happen! Tough luck. Now live with it.

One day an angry mob trashes an American embassy, another day some fighter jet bombs the Chinese embassy...

Oh well... Life goes on.

So what, send us as many protest notes and letters as you like, it will end up in garbage bin any way. But it is interesting that UNSC did not condemn and protest against the breach of international law. I think that the US diplomats should learn after these events that took place previous days against the embassy that they are not welcome any longer in Serbia. The events against the USA embassy was direct message to Bush et al, or better say respond to USA’s diplomatic hopes on further “friendship” between Serbia and USA. I just feel sorry that there was a victim after this attack on embassy.

Oh, God what a absurd-Americans are in shock! Well, we are in shock too after your brutal involvement in crippling our country.

us violence toward serbia with imposed solutions ATTEMPTING to take her territory, and then SURPRISED and HURT that she wont accept it. dont give me the heartbreaking stories of 1999. lets remember that only after ww2 serbs were declining in numbers in kosovo. after serbs suffered genocide at the hansd of the nazis all over former yugo, and after albanians continued to expel them from their land. lets remember also that milosevic is said to have manipulated kosovo serbs and their hardship in 1987, 12 years BEFORE 1999. what was happening to those serbs in 1987? well albanians were driving them from their homes, raping them and attackig their children who lived in fear. much like today? then slobo came and said, i will save you. serbs were living in fear for their lives on their own land in 1987, when albanians had full autonomy, which was only, for this reason, revoked in 1989. so why did albanians do all this? they wanted to make an ethnically pure territory so they could create greater albania, a monster that will cause suffering and chaos in macedonia and montenegro next. all that led to 1999. so when the us recognizes kosovo, i dont want to hear about 1999. whats 'right and wrong'. there's just one question really worth asking and just one answer worth hearing: IS IT LEGAL?

Polish citizens are by Your side Serbians, full support You got right to fihgt for your country! I'm wondering what would USA do if for example California declare independent?

Hey, US, EU and UK condemn violence in Belgrade on US embassy - sounds fair doesn't it?
Hey, Turkey INVADES Iraq - I hear no complaints from the EU, UK or USA? Why? Because they have cononed and authorised it!!!
This is not hyprocriy is it? Give me a break !!

Embassy of another country being attacked on your country and your government/police doing nothing to prevent it on time; making comments to encourage your citizens that they have right to do so. I think that is a violation of UN charter.
Self determination of one nation to declare independence is not violation of any UN law or charter.

It's so simple to understand this: You beat and abuse your wife many times then no wonder she is going to divorce you! Serbia and Kosovo lived together but you wanted to treat Albanians like they don't deserve to live, well now don't blame anybody for what happen.

Who cares what the US says? They declared war on Serbia when they recognized 'greater albania'.
I would like to commend Kostunica, Dejan Bodiroga, and Novak Djokovic, Emir Kusturica....and all others who gave great patriotic speeches yesterday.
Cheers!

The US embassy, as they say, was collateral damage. They had the wrong map! They thought it was McDonalds.

Wow, what a shock! It looks like the pro-independence and US side are becoming radicalised based on some of the comments here.

We have an embassy with material damage that can be easily repaired.

Calm down a bit, there were 200,000 protesters yesterday and the police can't be everywhere. They did eventually contain the gathering. Just consider this a unique case!

On another note, we managed to get another two more countries with a firm "No recognition" and about another 5 with conditions (UN approval, etc..) while there were 0 on the recognition side. That's 7 for Serbia and 0 for US/Albanians.

The International Community is heavily supporting Serbia! Be proud Serbia!

Jorgen,

Let's look at a few precedents:
1. November 1979: US Embassy in Tehran is taken over and hostages kept for 444 days. War? No way. The only consequence of this was Jimmy Carter losing the election in 1980.
2. February 1972: British Embassy in Dublin is burned to the ground after British paratroopers shoot dead 13 unarmed Catholic civilians in Derry, Northern Ireland.
War? Not a chance. The Irish and British governments carried on as before.

Attacking the embassies is a gesture of rage but in itself is not really significant. On the other hand, if the Serbs in Northern Kosovo start seeing KFOR troops as occupiers and begin attacking them, then we're into a whole new ball game.

I have often found it incongruous when driving down Knez Milosa. At each end of the thorough-fare are perfect examples of acts of violence which are on permanent display for young Belgraders to see - and situated mid-way between them is the US embassy.

A 20 year old Belgrader will be young enough not know too much about the reality of what happened in the Bosnian wars, but will have regularly seen the destructive results of the NATO bombing at each end of Knez Milosa. It is not surprising therefore that the US embassy, being half way between NATO bomb sites, suggests itself as appropriate for similar treatment.

The youngsters are also fully aware that a complete disregard for international law has just occurred in Kosovo. They correctly feel that this is very unfair. Modelling their behaviour on a few English football fans they have sought to emulate the behavior of NATO in a way that fully illustrates the strength of their feelings and have found an appropriate context in which to do it.

Diplomatically this is not good; for Serbia's reputation this is harmful. However, there is a kind of natural justice here.

The US took no effort to satisfy the political situation in Serbia and went ahead in Kosovo by breaking laws and provoking the will of the Serbian people. For example George Bush's speech in Albania promising them Kosovo was a gross and deliberate insult. People only laugh about it because he lost his watch - but actually they know that he meant to insult all of Serbia.

Governments and diplomats may have to behave nicely to each other, but Kosovo is a major failure of the EU to put its political and diplomatic weight behind possible negotiated solutions, and it is a prime example of US clumsiness.

This is the truth face of Serbia in the current time. You think that through violence and anti-human measures can frightened USA and other true democratic europian nations?????? The way that the scenario for burning out USA embassy and trying to destroy the rest is an act that Serbian government is promoting. Milosevic maybe has died, but its philosophy and hegemony has left tremendous impact in Serbian lives, and current Serbian leaders have not showed any sign or prove that they are different as oppose to him. I do not know when some of the Serbian officials when they speak of violating international laws whether they are blind, illiterated, or so naive when they never talk how have Serbs violated laws by causing three wars in Balkans.

this is what you get if you plant hatred and the UN is becoming a puppet of the cowboy bush who had a dancing spree in africa.

Of course Serbia is duty bound by law to protect the sovereignty of the US embassy just as the US protects sovereignty. Sorry guys guess this is a special case.

So then Khalilzad, when can China expect an appology and UN condemantion of American deliberate bombing and destruction of Chinese Embassy in Belgrade? Also killing and terrorising Chinese citizens residing in Belgrade during your already illegal destructive war against Serbia?

Or is destruction of Embassies, bombing of aspirin factories in Sudan, bombing of hospitals, schools, water supply, television stations , dropping chemical weapons on civilians, war mongering around the world.

Just be clear with the world Khalilzad, so the rest of us know where we stand.

serbs are angry because their land was stolen infront of their faces. there is no multi ethnic atmosphere anywhere in kosovo. serbians are deprived of employment and construction contracts opportunities because the albanians in charge in the ministries dont advertise job vacancies and construction tenders in serbian newspapers at all. worst is they dont prepare the tenders in serbian language. this has added to the poor economic conditions of serbs and lack of trust and confidence in the albanian government. BUSH DOESNT KNOW THESE FACTS!!!

Time for the DSS to take responsibility. The news just in is that the United Nations Security Council have unanimously condemned the attacks of 21 February. Attacking defenceless embassies is not acceptable.

Arben

Most regular posters here have had their views edited, regardless of their stance. Just accept it.

Also, remember that it was the West that started the wars in the former YU by prematurely recognising Slovenia, Croatia and Bosnia and by imposing their decision without negotiations.

Remember, an agreement between all Bosnian factions was made and a peaceful separation could have been achieved except the US encouraged Izetbegovic to renege and we all know the outcome of that!

The KLA were considered terrorists until 1998 by the US. In 1999, the US supported them so NATO could build a base in Serbian soil!

It's easy to blame Milosevic for all the wars, but you can't ignore Germany's position and then the US, who encouraged the breakup of YU and are greatly responsible for the violence that occured!

Jörgen: don´t worry, media-liars are always bringing up Hitler or Stalin...that´s something for naive tv-viewers...to catch their attention.

maybe Hitler was also involved when the chinese embassy was deliberatedly bombed? whutcha say?

or when the US bombed Panama City..and killed lots of innocent panamese civilians? Hitler, too?


to Afrim:
"Kosova is gone and there is nothing Serbia can do about it. "

you are free to believe that...but I wouldn´t count on that, if I were you.

seems like you still believe that you have the "one and only global superpower" behind you... :)

WHEN THE WISE MAN SAYS:

The tribal wisdoms of the Dakota Indians, passed on from generation to generation, says that 'when you discover that you are riding a dead horse, the best strategy is to dismount'. However, in many companies as well as in the UN and NGO community a range of far more advanced strategies are often employed, such as:
- Changing riders
- Appointing a committee to study the horse
- Arranging to visit other countries to see how others ride dead horses
- Lowering the standards so that dead horses can be included
- Reclassifying the dead horse as 'living impaired'.
- Hiring outside contractors to ride the dead horse
- Harnessing several dead horses together to increase the speed
- Providing additional funding and/or training to increase the dead horse's performance
- Doing a productivity study to see if lighter riders would improve the dead horse's performance
- Declaring that as the dead horse does not have to be fed, it is less costly, carries lower overhead, and therefore contributes substantially more to the mission of the organisation than do some other horses
- Rewriting the expected performance requirements for all horses...

The USA is a hypocrite cry-baby nation. Attributes of a typical Bully!

I understand their embassy staff are leaving Belgrade, good! They should only come back when Barak Obama becomes President.

The diplomatic battle cannot be won by justifying hooliganism. And it cannot be won with angry reiterations of oft stated arguments while vision of looting and burning is being shown in the background.

Take the heat out of the debate - with your own people and in your external discussion. It is the only, and critical next step.
(Alan Slawson, 22 February 2008, 15:13)

Kosovo & Metohija has been invaded illegally by the EU. If somebody invaded your home, you would not be offering diplomatic recourse after being kicked out in your back alley.

Where is the condemnation of the Turkey invasion of Iraq? W
Where is the UN condemnation?

Serbia demands international justice or all countries are entering into anarchy.

Current Count from the Islamic block.

4 will NOT recognise and 9 will NOT due to conditions (UN approval, etc..) 13 in total and this compares to 5 that have recognised.

Since yesterday, an extra 3 countries from the Islamic block have come out to support Serbia while 0 have supported the US/Albanian position.

The list for Serbian support continues to grow with 19 countries stating they will NOT support independence and about 60 that will conditionally NOT support it (waiting for UN, EU, Serbian approval). However the recognition camp has moved nowhere. Only 16 countries have recognised Kosovo with more of those expected to recognise holding off!

Momentum continues to favour Serbia!

America has warned Serbia about the rhetoric used by politicians and about these latest attacks on US embassy in Belgrade
Burns "made very clear to the foreign minister that we would hold the Serbian government personally responsible for the safety and the well-being of our embassy employees," White House spokesperson McCormack said.
Now lets see if Serb leaders continue to make inapropriate speeches.

Kosova is gone and there is nothing Serbia can do about it.
In this way serbs are only destroying their own Serbia by attacking embassies,stores, burning cars etc...
Sadly, Kostunica seems to be isolating Serbia from the democratic world and from reality.

I think I know what this is all about, in staging such an act and blaming it on few hooligans, Serbia tries to warn countries that recognize Kosovo as a state of what is to come. It would not surprise me if it did work...Swedish respected commentator and former Parliament member Bo Inge Andersson in SVT (Public Television in Sweden), commented by saying the following yesterday: “by attacking the US embassy and other embassies, Serbia is declaring war. He continued saying that even Hitler gave time for embassies to evacuate before he declared war”

Jörgen,
Sundsvall, Sweden

RE: Panama's UN ambassador Ricardo Alberto Arias.

Still waiting for the UN to condmen the illegal invasion of Kosovo by the EU contrary to UN Resolution 1244.

Further awaiting the condemnation of the illegal declaration of the illegal Kosovo country by the former KLA terrorist Hacim Thaci as listed by the US CIA Terrorist watch. This statement is a fact as Thaci is responsible for the murder of Serbs, Albanians, Roma's alike.

Where is the UN Condemnation?

In fact, where is the UN hiding-behind there placards like a pack of turtles?

Jörgen (or is it Arben again?). I am from Sweden too and for other readers info. Infamous "Bo.Inge.Andersson" is a serb&Russophobe of the wors sort. He automatically (like his colleuges in CNN BBC FOX etc)parrots the US-stand on their enemys and especially about his hate-subject du jour or since the western powers started to split up Yugoslavia, namelly Serbs.
Unlike "Jörgen" most Swedes, even if their throaths is full of serbophobia from the evening news, sympatize with the Serbian people. The lies from 1999 simply doesn´t kick in anymore.

Let us understand that the pandora's box is now open and what might or might not happen is the responsibility of those few foolish enough to FORCE it open!!! Many were told do what you will but understand that it will destabilise the region and world order. Ah but then the US "Dumbya" - the very wise man who was so right on Iraq really does know what is best!

Surely the US understand Newton's Third law;

For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

Hardly surprising to think that the Serbians will respect US sovereignty when the US have clearly stepped over the line regarding Serbia's sovereignty - did they really believe the false analysis that this would be stabilising and Serbs would increase their affection for such 'friendly' [sic] acts?

Oh what a tangled web we weave...

Smile

I would like to correct you and give you correct information for your future reference.

Who is taking who territory. Serbs are only guest in Balkans. I believe you know where Slavs came here from. If you don’t know as you history teacher. Taking the territory thing is answered very easy to you.

Decline in number of Serbs after the WWII.

After the WWII Albanians were treated a bit better, not terrorised in 1000s but in smaller numbers and they started to register at the registrars office just like Serbs did.
During 50s and 60s Rankovic(a Serb) regime killed and expelled Albanians to Turkey. After Rankovic was removed form Tito Albanians had a bit of peace.

In 1974 was adopted the new constitution of SFRJ. The construction gave Albanians the right to use their language and Albanian language became the second official language in Kosova. What does this mean? This meant that in order to get a job you where obliged to speak both languages since both were official. In the schools both languages where introduced in order for all to be able to learn them and get a job. What happened is the following. K-Serbs where lazy on learning Albanian what cost them with their jobs. They where not able to get a job without knowing Albanian language. They instead choose to leave Kosova for Serbia. It was not only Serbs that left Kosova, Bosnians left for Bosnia too.

During 90s Serbian numbers have not increased either. Who do you blame now? Even though, your forces organised by your country killed Albanians, missing 5,000 Albanians and driven into asylum 400.000 during 90-99, than in 99 culminated with another 1 mil ethnically cleansed Albanians.

Smile has asked a very good question: IS IT LEGAL.
A; Lets see. Be patient. Injustice has never ruled for long time, don’t worry.

Just this morning undersecretary Burns was giving brainless interview on CNCB and played with history again saying that 9 million albanians were in danger od Serbia in 1999.
If it wasn`s sad it would be funny that career politician can make a mistake like that.
But what could be said about those kids yesterday is-they watched self proclaimed "free world" leaders awarding violence with independence with no regard for international laws.
And who here can say that this kids are not future freedom fighters,if that is what international community is awarding.
Or when it comes to Serbia and it`s people laws are different.
What a SHAME.!

PLEASE PEACE!!!
do not let the USA to provoke You, only USA will advantage on any conflict

Mike, do you remember this line . It was written by you few days ago.

Until lives are intentionally threatened or, God forbid, lost, I have little to condemn

I say that it would have been better if this all stopped than. It would have never come to loss of life. This person has lost his life because many Serbs in her and Kostunica told him to do so, but now he is not alive. He has family to whom even if you give entire Kosova for free they would not want it since they lost something more precious than Kosova, their beloved.

How may people where there. Where there all K-Serbs or just bussed in people for a day out in Belgrade with transport free of charge.
Some say that, even Tadic, that Serbia has moved forward, Milosevic is dead bla bla bla but for about a week he is being proven to be a bit wrong. Looks like Serbia has remained in 90s no change at all.

For those not well informed Swedes and others.
in the dawn of Nato bombing of Yugoslavia, US special forces stormed Yugoslavian embassy in USA, with no notice given of course.
The staff was captured and treated as terrorists and all property was confiscated. International law, diplomatic immunity...!?!ha ha ha.

America is in a shock about Belgrade embassy, so the family members, neighbors,friends of Iraqis killed since 2003.
Dear Yank brothers it is only you who can save yourselves of yourselves. We others can't help you any more. Good luck!

Stuart comment #22

"BMRusila,

Your views are not held by the majority in Serbia."

- I guess stuart you think your view does??? Who exactly are you to be taken seriously given that you only recently added your pennies worth!

As an British woman, I want to speak up for Serbia, a country I have visited three times in the past three years and have friends there. Of course it was wrong for the hooligans to attack the embassies, but that was an inevitable consequence of Serbia being pushed into a corner by the US, UK and other countries who took a onesided view of the Kosovo problem. Serbia does not get the credit it deserves credit for getting rid of Milosevic and building democracy. Instead it has to lose 15% of its territory and is being punished by having its progress towards EU membership halted when it should be obvious that what it needs most is a fast track towards membership, enabling it to take its place in the EU family instead of being an outpost for Putin's Russia in the Balkans.

""The embassies have to be protected, and that is the obligation of the country," EU foreign policy chief Javier Solana said, according to the BBC. "

This guy solana thinks we are from mars.

Yes solana and your obligation is not stealing territory from Serbia, and using it as a nato base in the balkans.

This guy suported how many innocent civillian deaths in the nato aggression in 99?

@(Olf, 22 February 2008 16:22)

Did you know that Russia has declared use off force BY russia to be legal if KFOR or the EU steps beyond the UN 1244 Resolution.

Meaning they are ready and willing to military intervene if rfesolution 1244 is not respected.

thank you USA, EU & K-Albanians for bringing the world 1 step closer to WW3.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7258801.stm

To Joe, 22 February 2008 18:16)

thanks God there is at least 65 to 70% of the Americans that do not think like you and your dear President and thanks God we only have a few more months until he goes, what a relieve for the all world!!
And good luck to the new administration that will have to clean so much mess,starting by your inland problems.

Dear Joe,
Did you know that it snows 12 months a year in Canada and that we have 25 hours in a day. Your posts are comical. How were ever able to stumble on a web site such as B92?

To: B92

It's very sad that you cut the postings that I submitted earlier, and did not show it as a whole. This clearly indicates that you are influenced by the government, and do not respect the freedom of speech.

One thing that has to be mentioned is that the attacks are not happening only against the embassies of the countries that recognized Kosova.
Attacks happened against B92 also and B92 is not even an embassy but it is the most real unbiased media.
Attacks happened against Croatian embassy also but Croatia did not recognize Kosova's Independence yet.
Attacks happened against Canadian embassy but Canada did not recognize Kosovo yet.
And attacks happened against stores, banks, restaurants but none of these are embassies.

"So, let me see if I get this straight: the US embassy in Belgrade is "a sovereign American territory" in Serbia, but 15% of Serbian state and a cradle of Serbia's culture, faith and statehood—Kosovo and Metohija province—was not sufficiently sovereign Serbian territory the moment the US decided to seize it from Serbia?"


This doesnt differ much from an ordinary anti-globalist demo, demonstrating against US evil nwo hegemony, which is pretty much the subject here too...

nikshala wrote:

The people responsible for the violence are the one that COMMITED the violence.

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Correct, therefore the Croatians, Bosnian Muslims, Albanians and Serbians are all responsible for the violence committed in the former YU. But that voilence would not have occured if the US, UK and Germany were a bit more responsible. They made a huge mistake and tried to blame it on Milosevic.

Just like the invasion of Iraq has resulted in over a million deaths, sure the Iraqi's are killing themselves but that responsibility sits squarely with the US and UK. They did not get UN approval and they were warned by the whole world!

Please respect the innocent lives that would be here today if not for the actions of those irresponsible nations! The ones that the whole world is against and the ones that the Albanians idolise!

Eagle wrote:
It's so simple to understand this: You beat and abuse your wife many times then no wonder she is going to divorce you! Serbia and Kosovo lived together but you wanted to treat Albanians like they don't deserve to live, well now don't blame anybody for what happen.

Yes, your wife should divorce you, but she does not automatically get the right to take the house you build with her.
Also, Serbia and Kosovo did not live together, Kosovo WAS part of Serbia.

I note that some Russian rhetoric has overstretched itself. E.g., one media station approved of the murder of Djindjic. That is not the view of a very great number of Serbs. Even those who might think that way would not appreciate having Russians approving of the murder of Serbian politicians. Serbia is a great enough country that it would rather conduct its own internal politics. Serbia is also not wanting to choose whether it has to look east or west - it wants Kosovo; that is the issue.

The Kosovo should not be an East-West confrontation; Serbia should not be abused that way. The majority in Serbia voted for EU in the recent elections but the EU miscalculated on the significance of Kosovo. That was very stupid.

Russia should argue at the UN - in this case it is on the side of right. However, extreme belligerent rhetoric from any section of Russia or the Russian media will not help Serbia resolve this. Done properly, Russian involvement would be appropriate however - particularly to insist that the UN reverse the current situation in Kosovo within the terms of 1244.

Joe

Why do hate Serbia and Serbs so much? Some hooligans burn an embassy and you want them kicked out of the United Nations?

The Kosovo secession was illegal and that fact is obvious ! You have the support of the Polish people ! All the internet forums in Poland are supportive for the Serbian unity !

BMRusila,

Your views are not held by the majority in Serbia. Despite the fact that you have, for some time now, made inaccurate and dire predictions about what would happen, these things have not come to pass. It is important to note that your standpoint represents at best some radicals and DSS. Not the majority in Serbia, so you cannot presume to speak for citizens of Serbia.

"Take the heat out of the debate"

wouldn't that be nice, now :)
but it's you- who needs to learn not to heat things up all over the world. you- take the heat off it now. you- leave our country alone. you- stop ripping our territory apart. lets not get sidetracked here. international order was destroyed by the u.s. not a week ago. thats the big worry here, the headache for the whole world, that’s what needs taking the heat off, not 200 people looting and rioting. appreciate this please from a different angle. if you were in belgrade last night, you wouldve thought there was a g8 summit in town, not that a country was to all intents and purposed declared war against with its territory stolen.

and look, you-cannot choose our leadership. our direction will not be decided in a rally, in street violence. it will be between us serbs and our ballot papers in the privacy of the voting booth very soon to decide what happens next.
and indignant righteous prince charming tadic, for whom i voted not two weeks ago and for which i burn with shame now, will not be that choice. that is, his party will not be. president tadic-without control of the government, why, that's just a figurehead! you- read our constitution whenever in doubt.
you- remember that. you- do something about it. sensible, adding to stability this time if you can, please.

Olf, you're absolutely right here. Now comes the time to condemn this. More over, now comes the time to condemn the poorly planned moves by DSS in turning Belgrade yesterday evening into what amounted to little more than another "truth rally".

You can protest, you can be angry, you can even take your case to international legal bodies. Serbia still has a legitimate claim to parts of Kosovo. But once violence erupts, no one is interested in listening to you anymore.

TO Joe, 22 February 2008 18:16)

Hey Joe, do you have an opinion of your own, cause everytime you hide behind someone else post to critisize and everytime I ask you questions I do not get any answers.
One thing is clear you are really a big fan of your dear president "the world is mine" and the hell with whoever does not agree with it.
If I recall well, in one of your post a few days ago, you mentioned that you are satisfied with 'your' role as a super power together with a few number of 'civilized' countries, that says all but fortunately your opinion is among the only 30% of the US population that supports your administration destructive foreign policy (actually should also say inland policy), and fortunately soon it will be gone, "time for change", famous slogan nowadays!!

Dear Joe in Post # 39
In responce to your statement
Few more terrorist moves like this by Serbia and the UN should expel her as a member.
Western democratic countries should make this clear to her.
Enough is enough.
(Joe, 22 February 2008 15:39)

please advise what current status past and present that Serbia enjoys as United Nations Member. Are we talking about the same United Nations that is protecting now and then ?????
What media outlet do you get your information from?
THE NATIONAL ENQUIRER!

What about this link that Joe the American had the courtesy to find

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7258374.stm

Now, I have again one question for you Joe, is this named country part of what you call 'civilized country' and what will you find them as an excuse this time?? Aren't they your closed allies?

To EA's Posting # 65
I have said in the past, with a very good intention for PEACE and STABILITY in the region,that Serbia with its agressive stance towards the West is shooting itself in its feet!
(EA, 22 February 2008 21:35)

Why would you make this comment knowing full well that Serbia has been intimidated by the USA since 1999. Through process of deduction i would say that there is no way the Serbs will ever be in the USA's good books. Really!
What is there to lose!

Olf in your Post #42
To all Serbs

do you knowt that Russia voted on US side as you would like to call it. Russia condemned the acts commited in Belgrade.
(Olf, 22 February 2008 16:22)

News flash for you Olf.
Serbia condemned all the of Serbian rioters as well. Therfore, Serbia must be on the side of the USA. It must be a conspiracy.

just simple question, where is the US marines ? I think they should act when somebody entry to US territorial or this violence is also in your scenario? who knows ?

Stuart, How about 99 when my country (US) and NATO dropped bombs on defenceless Serbs. That was OK for you wasn't it? Your a hypocrit also. Arben, it is the west that started this movment not the Serbian gov or the people. Eagle, enough with the "Divorce Court" theory please. Afrim Hoxha, you mean south kosovo is gone, for now that is. But North Kosovo, well It's still under Serbias control and Pristina will never see it. Blacky you took the words right out of my mouth. Kosovo is Serbia!!! CCCC!!! Long Live Serbia!!!

the USA is not welcome in serbia , the USA is not welcome in europe , the USA is not welcome in great britain or russia or china or the middle east , also its not welcome in little old new zealand . time is running out for the " great " USA . lee coleman , auckland NZ .

"Arben

Most regular posters here have had their views edited, regardless of their stance. Just accept it.

Also, remember that it was the West that started the wars in the former YU by prematurely recognising Slovenia, Croatia and Bosnia and by imposing their decision without negotiations.

Remember, an agreement between all Bosnian factions was made and a peaceful separation could have been achieved except the US encouraged Izetbegovic to renege and we all know the outcome of that!

The KLA were considered terrorists until 1998 by the US. In 1999, the US supported them so NATO could build a base in Serbian soil!

It's easy to blame Milosevic for all the wars, but you can't ignore Germany's position and then the US, who encouraged the breakup of YU and are greatly responsible for the violence that occured!
(ZK UK, 22 February 2008 13:39)

ZK UK

The people responsible for the violence are the one that COMMITED the violence.

will you stop blaming everyone else for your own actions!

If Serbia didn't like that Croatia and Bosnia got recognized, that they should have opposed it in other ways, and not start killing people.

US, Germany and others are free to recognize whoever they want. If Serbia didn't like it than they could have recognized lets say California as part of Mexico, or Berlin as part of Senegal, or whatever.

Last nite, the people responsible for the attacks on the embassies, are the attackers themselves, and the serbian goverment for not doing its job and preventing / protecting the embassies of foreign countries.

I am not advocating violence of any kind. Still, if I want to get the U.S.'s attention and really make them nervous, I would not attack the embassy, I would go down the hill at take down the McDonalds after it closed. The US concerns are much more about corporate interests more than any embassy.

“….note that some Russian rhetoric has overstretched itself. E.g., one media station approved of the murder of Djindjic….”

This is certainly not the view of Russian officials. Where did you find that information? Russia has a plenty of different news papers and TV stations who are expressing their own views.

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Bob,
I am very proud of all those US actions that you call clumsiness. I would call it just and moral actions to be followed by all democratic countries.
(Joe, 22 February 2008 18:16)
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Hi Joe

As it happens I can lay claim to all the moral high ground that you think you inhabit. I supported NATO stopping the killing in Kosovo, but Milosevic is gone, and Serbia is now part of the democratic world. The trouble is that the EU and the US have not adjusted their view and they have thought it appropriate to ignore the genuine feelings of the Serbian people.

My earlier piece was about the lesson the appearance of bombed out buildings might teach to young Belgraders - I was drawing attention to the irony of the embassy's relative situation and the potential for a violent interpretation being implicitly suggested to young minds.

1244 most definitely does not talk of independence for Kosovo and most definitely does talk of a political settlement and of autonomy.

The moral high ground has now disappeared into law breaking on the part of the EU and the US. I can quite understand the cynicism felt by Serbs about the two-faced approach to law demonstrated by the US in particular.

Your moral high ground has disappeared into illegal support for a land-grab.

The US and the EU were wrong to provoke in this way - fools in my view. It certainly was not diplomatic - it smacks of group punishment of the Serbian people.

If that is not clumsy, it is malicious.

Serbia should have apologized immediately after those embassies were attacked. The longer it waits the larger the diplomatic damage.

I think this is going to far.

http://www.javno.com/en/croatia/clanak.php?id=125777

Time to take the heat out of the debate - a responsibility that resides squarely on the shoulders of Serbia's political leadership. Unfortunately, it is doubtful they have the will or the wisdom to do so. It is not a matter of right or wrong - and I happily state here my own support for the Serbian view about the wrongness and illegality of the actions of the international community in relation to Kosovo. No, it is about constructive directions in the debate and, more importantly, it is about guiding, ie providing leadership, to the Serbian population. And leadership at this point means decreasing the heat in the debate.

Early yesterday was appropriate, acceptable and understandable. Late yesterday was disgusting and pathetic, and the perpetrators (rioters AND looters in equal measure) deserves no sympathy. But today's comments from DSS leadership are no better, and will do nothing but inflame emotions internally to Serbia and with the international community when cooler heads must prevail.

Jeremic on CNN last night gave out the same angry, emotional signals. There is no room for any type of moral or political justification for last night's events. They were shameful. And Serbia's political leadership must acknowledge that, must set a proper tone to its constituency and to the wider community.

The diplomatic battle cannot be won by justifying hooliganism. And it cannot be won with angry reiterations of oft stated arguments while vision of looting and burning is being shown in the background.

Take the heat out of the debate - with your own people and in your external discussion. It is the only, and critical next step.

You can only hear these condemnations of Serbian people from concided big bullies. When you listen to their reasoning it is obvious that they are thinking to themselves "I don't believe I am saying these things after what we done to Serbian people" But they are all programed from start how to act. Just bunch of gangsers.

Few more terrorist moves like this by Serbia and the UN should expel her as a member.
Western democratic countries should make this clear to her.
Enough is enough.

To all Serbs

do you knowt that Russia voted on US side as you would like to call it. Russia condemned the acts commited in Belgrade.

I have said in the past, with a very good intention for PEACE and STABILITY in the region,that Serbia with its agressive stance towards the West is shooting itself in its feet!

In the following is the link seeing how serbs protested yesterday against Kosova's Independence

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VWZoKWBYXE&eurl=http://forum.kosova.de/forum/showthread.php?t=15999&page=3

Bob,
I am very proud of all those US actions that you call clumsiness. I would call it just and moral actions to be followed by all democratic countries.

Barack Obama is a supported of Kosova's republic too, don't forget. I know you're already worried about Clinton and McCain.

Kosova, YES WE CAN!

I'm wondering what would USA do if for example California declare independent?
(Pawel, 22 February 2008 12:45)
This must be one of those Polish jokes, from a Pole.
Californian did not get killed en masse by the US soldiers and paramilitaries.

This must be one of those Polish jokes, from a Pole.
Californian did not get killed en masse by the US soldiers and paramilitaries.
(Albion New York)

did not??? hahaha not very good joke

Most sensible Americans are sympathetic to the Serbian position. Unfortunately the big problem is not the American people. It is people in Washington who are on the Saudi or the Wahhabi payroll.

Madeline Albright has made tens of millions from Saudis as "consultant" for them. Not only did she create the mess in Balkans, she even led Bin Ladin get away by warning the Pakistanis about a impending US strike.

This women ought to be tried to treason but guess what she is out representing the same people who financed the 9/11 and the KLA- the Saudis.

This is the truth face of Serbia in the current time. You think that through violence and anti-human measures can frightened USA and other true democratic europian nations?????? The way that the scenario for burning out USA embassy and trying to destroy the rest is an act that Serbian government is promoting. Milosevic maybe has died, but its philosophy and hegemony has left tremendous impact in Serbian lives, and current Serbian leaders have not showed any sign or prove that they are different as oppose to him. I do not know when some of the Serbian officials when they speak of violating international laws whether they are blind, illiterated, or so naive when they never talk how have Serbs violated laws by causing three wars in Balkans.

Embassy of another country being attacked on your country and your government/police doing nothing to prevent it on time; making comments to encourage your citizens that they have right to do so. I think that is a violation of UN charter.
Self determination of one nation to declare independence is not violation of any UN law or charter.

It's so simple to understand this: You beat and abuse your wife many times then no wonder she is going to divorce you! Serbia and Kosovo lived together but you wanted to treat Albanians like they don't deserve to live, well now don't blame anybody for what happen.

America has warned Serbia about the rhetoric used by politicians and about these latest attacks on US embassy in Belgrade
Burns "made very clear to the foreign minister that we would hold the Serbian government personally responsible for the safety and the well-being of our embassy employees," White House spokesperson McCormack said.
Now lets see if Serb leaders continue to make inapropriate speeches.

Kosova is gone and there is nothing Serbia can do about it.
In this way serbs are only destroying their own Serbia by attacking embassies,stores, burning cars etc...
Sadly, Kostunica seems to be isolating Serbia from the democratic world and from reality.

Few more terrorist moves like this by Serbia and the UN should expel her as a member.
Western democratic countries should make this clear to her.
Enough is enough.

I think I know what this is all about, in staging such an act and blaming it on few hooligans, Serbia tries to warn countries that recognize Kosovo as a state of what is to come. It would not surprise me if it did work...Swedish respected commentator and former Parliament member Bo Inge Andersson in SVT (Public Television in Sweden), commented by saying the following yesterday: “by attacking the US embassy and other embassies, Serbia is declaring war. He continued saying that even Hitler gave time for embassies to evacuate before he declared war”

Jörgen,
Sundsvall, Sweden

Time for the DSS to take responsibility. The news just in is that the United Nations Security Council have unanimously condemned the attacks of 21 February. Attacking defenceless embassies is not acceptable.

Smile

I would like to correct you and give you correct information for your future reference.

Who is taking who territory. Serbs are only guest in Balkans. I believe you know where Slavs came here from. If you don’t know as you history teacher. Taking the territory thing is answered very easy to you.

Decline in number of Serbs after the WWII.

After the WWII Albanians were treated a bit better, not terrorised in 1000s but in smaller numbers and they started to register at the registrars office just like Serbs did.
During 50s and 60s Rankovic(a Serb) regime killed and expelled Albanians to Turkey. After Rankovic was removed form Tito Albanians had a bit of peace.

In 1974 was adopted the new constitution of SFRJ. The construction gave Albanians the right to use their language and Albanian language became the second official language in Kosova. What does this mean? This meant that in order to get a job you where obliged to speak both languages since both were official. In the schools both languages where introduced in order for all to be able to learn them and get a job. What happened is the following. K-Serbs where lazy on learning Albanian what cost them with their jobs. They where not able to get a job without knowing Albanian language. They instead choose to leave Kosova for Serbia. It was not only Serbs that left Kosova, Bosnians left for Bosnia too.

During 90s Serbian numbers have not increased either. Who do you blame now? Even though, your forces organised by your country killed Albanians, missing 5,000 Albanians and driven into asylum 400.000 during 90-99, than in 99 culminated with another 1 mil ethnically cleansed Albanians.

Smile has asked a very good question: IS IT LEGAL.
A; Lets see. Be patient. Injustice has never ruled for long time, don’t worry.

To: B92

It's very sad that you cut the postings that I submitted earlier, and did not show it as a whole. This clearly indicates that you are influenced by the government, and do not respect the freedom of speech.

Mike, do you remember this line . It was written by you few days ago.

Until lives are intentionally threatened or, God forbid, lost, I have little to condemn

I say that it would have been better if this all stopped than. It would have never come to loss of life. This person has lost his life because many Serbs in her and Kostunica told him to do so, but now he is not alive. He has family to whom even if you give entire Kosova for free they would not want it since they lost something more precious than Kosova, their beloved.

How may people where there. Where there all K-Serbs or just bussed in people for a day out in Belgrade with transport free of charge.
Some say that, even Tadic, that Serbia has moved forward, Milosevic is dead bla bla bla but for about a week he is being proven to be a bit wrong. Looks like Serbia has remained in 90s no change at all.

Serbia should have apologized immediately after those embassies were attacked. The longer it waits the larger the diplomatic damage.

BMRusila,

Your views are not held by the majority in Serbia. Despite the fact that you have, for some time now, made inaccurate and dire predictions about what would happen, these things have not come to pass. It is important to note that your standpoint represents at best some radicals and DSS. Not the majority in Serbia, so you cannot presume to speak for citizens of Serbia.

"Arben

Most regular posters here have had their views edited, regardless of their stance. Just accept it.

Also, remember that it was the West that started the wars in the former YU by prematurely recognising Slovenia, Croatia and Bosnia and by imposing their decision without negotiations.

Remember, an agreement between all Bosnian factions was made and a peaceful separation could have been achieved except the US encouraged Izetbegovic to renege and we all know the outcome of that!

The KLA were considered terrorists until 1998 by the US. In 1999, the US supported them so NATO could build a base in Serbian soil!

It's easy to blame Milosevic for all the wars, but you can't ignore Germany's position and then the US, who encouraged the breakup of YU and are greatly responsible for the violence that occured!
(ZK UK, 22 February 2008 13:39)

ZK UK

The people responsible for the violence are the one that COMMITED the violence.

will you stop blaming everyone else for your own actions!

If Serbia didn't like that Croatia and Bosnia got recognized, that they should have opposed it in other ways, and not start killing people.

US, Germany and others are free to recognize whoever they want. If Serbia didn't like it than they could have recognized lets say California as part of Mexico, or Berlin as part of Senegal, or whatever.

Last nite, the people responsible for the attacks on the embassies, are the attackers themselves, and the serbian goverment for not doing its job and preventing / protecting the embassies of foreign countries.

To all Serbs

do you knowt that Russia voted on US side as you would like to call it. Russia condemned the acts commited in Belgrade.

Bob,
I am very proud of all those US actions that you call clumsiness. I would call it just and moral actions to be followed by all democratic countries.

One thing that has to be mentioned is that the attacks are not happening only against the embassies of the countries that recognized Kosova.
Attacks happened against B92 also and B92 is not even an embassy but it is the most real unbiased media.
Attacks happened against Croatian embassy also but Croatia did not recognize Kosova's Independence yet.
Attacks happened against Canadian embassy but Canada did not recognize Kosovo yet.
And attacks happened against stores, banks, restaurants but none of these are embassies.

In the following is the link seeing how serbs protested yesterday against Kosova's Independence

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VWZoKWBYXE&eurl=http://forum.kosova.de/forum/showthread.php?t=15999&page=3

Olf, you're absolutely right here. Now comes the time to condemn this. More over, now comes the time to condemn the poorly planned moves by DSS in turning Belgrade yesterday evening into what amounted to little more than another "truth rally".

You can protest, you can be angry, you can even take your case to international legal bodies. Serbia still has a legitimate claim to parts of Kosovo. But once violence erupts, no one is interested in listening to you anymore.

I have said in the past, with a very good intention for PEACE and STABILITY in the region,that Serbia with its agressive stance towards the West is shooting itself in its feet!

this is what you get if you plant hatred and the UN is becoming a puppet of the cowboy bush who had a dancing spree in africa.

You are right Mr Khalilzad these things should not happen and cannot be excused but let me tell you that also millions of people are chocked about ur completely irresponsible foreign policy.
Why are you turning now to the UN whereas you have turn your back to them not so long ago...
Double standards, I believe that's the way your administration like call it!

us violence toward serbia with imposed solutions ATTEMPTING to take her territory, and then SURPRISED and HURT that she wont accept it. dont give me the heartbreaking stories of 1999. lets remember that only after ww2 serbs were declining in numbers in kosovo. after serbs suffered genocide at the hansd of the nazis all over former yugo, and after albanians continued to expel them from their land. lets remember also that milosevic is said to have manipulated kosovo serbs and their hardship in 1987, 12 years BEFORE 1999. what was happening to those serbs in 1987? well albanians were driving them from their homes, raping them and attackig their children who lived in fear. much like today? then slobo came and said, i will save you. serbs were living in fear for their lives on their own land in 1987, when albanians had full autonomy, which was only, for this reason, revoked in 1989. so why did albanians do all this? they wanted to make an ethnically pure territory so they could create greater albania, a monster that will cause suffering and chaos in macedonia and montenegro next. all that led to 1999. so when the us recognizes kosovo, i dont want to hear about 1999. whats 'right and wrong'. there's just one question really worth asking and just one answer worth hearing: IS IT LEGAL?

To Joe, 22 February 2008 18:16)

thanks God there is at least 65 to 70% of the Americans that do not think like you and your dear President and thanks God we only have a few more months until he goes, what a relieve for the all world!!
And good luck to the new administration that will have to clean so much mess,starting by your inland problems.

I'm wondering what would USA do if for example California declare independent?
(Pawel, 22 February 2008 12:45)
This must be one of those Polish jokes, from a Pole.
Californian did not get killed en masse by the US soldiers and paramilitaries.

PLEASE PEACE!!!
do not let the USA to provoke You, only USA will advantage on any conflict

Time to take the heat out of the debate - a responsibility that resides squarely on the shoulders of Serbia's political leadership. Unfortunately, it is doubtful they have the will or the wisdom to do so. It is not a matter of right or wrong - and I happily state here my own support for the Serbian view about the wrongness and illegality of the actions of the international community in relation to Kosovo. No, it is about constructive directions in the debate and, more importantly, it is about guiding, ie providing leadership, to the Serbian population. And leadership at this point means decreasing the heat in the debate.

Early yesterday was appropriate, acceptable and understandable. Late yesterday was disgusting and pathetic, and the perpetrators (rioters AND looters in equal measure) deserves no sympathy. But today's comments from DSS leadership are no better, and will do nothing but inflame emotions internally to Serbia and with the international community when cooler heads must prevail.

Jeremic on CNN last night gave out the same angry, emotional signals. There is no room for any type of moral or political justification for last night's events. They were shameful. And Serbia's political leadership must acknowledge that, must set a proper tone to its constituency and to the wider community.

The diplomatic battle cannot be won by justifying hooliganism. And it cannot be won with angry reiterations of oft stated arguments while vision of looting and burning is being shown in the background.

Take the heat out of the debate - with your own people and in your external discussion. It is the only, and critical next step.

I have often found it incongruous when driving down Knez Milosa. At each end of the thorough-fare are perfect examples of acts of violence which are on permanent display for young Belgraders to see - and situated mid-way between them is the US embassy.

A 20 year old Belgrader will be young enough not know too much about the reality of what happened in the Bosnian wars, but will have regularly seen the destructive results of the NATO bombing at each end of Knez Milosa. It is not surprising therefore that the US embassy, being half way between NATO bomb sites, suggests itself as appropriate for similar treatment.

The youngsters are also fully aware that a complete disregard for international law has just occurred in Kosovo. They correctly feel that this is very unfair. Modelling their behaviour on a few English football fans they have sought to emulate the behavior of NATO in a way that fully illustrates the strength of their feelings and have found an appropriate context in which to do it.

Diplomatically this is not good; for Serbia's reputation this is harmful. However, there is a kind of natural justice here.

The US took no effort to satisfy the political situation in Serbia and went ahead in Kosovo by breaking laws and provoking the will of the Serbian people. For example George Bush's speech in Albania promising them Kosovo was a gross and deliberate insult. People only laugh about it because he lost his watch - but actually they know that he meant to insult all of Serbia.

Governments and diplomats may have to behave nicely to each other, but Kosovo is a major failure of the EU to put its political and diplomatic weight behind possible negotiated solutions, and it is a prime example of US clumsiness.

nikshala wrote:

The people responsible for the violence are the one that COMMITED the violence.

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Correct, therefore the Croatians, Bosnian Muslims, Albanians and Serbians are all responsible for the violence committed in the former YU. But that voilence would not have occured if the US, UK and Germany were a bit more responsible. They made a huge mistake and tried to blame it on Milosevic.

Just like the invasion of Iraq has resulted in over a million deaths, sure the Iraqi's are killing themselves but that responsibility sits squarely with the US and UK. They did not get UN approval and they were warned by the whole world!

Please respect the innocent lives that would be here today if not for the actions of those irresponsible nations! The ones that the whole world is against and the ones that the Albanians idolise!

Barack Obama is a supported of Kosova's republic too, don't forget. I know you're already worried about Clinton and McCain.

Kosova, YES WE CAN!

As an British woman, I want to speak up for Serbia, a country I have visited three times in the past three years and have friends there. Of course it was wrong for the hooligans to attack the embassies, but that was an inevitable consequence of Serbia being pushed into a corner by the US, UK and other countries who took a onesided view of the Kosovo problem. Serbia does not get the credit it deserves credit for getting rid of Milosevic and building democracy. Instead it has to lose 15% of its territory and is being punished by having its progress towards EU membership halted when it should be obvious that what it needs most is a fast track towards membership, enabling it to take its place in the EU family instead of being an outpost for Putin's Russia in the Balkans.

Dear Joe,
Did you know that it snows 12 months a year in Canada and that we have 25 hours in a day. Your posts are comical. How were ever able to stumble on a web site such as B92?

Joe

Why do hate Serbia and Serbs so much? Some hooligans burn an embassy and you want them kicked out of the United Nations?

So what, send us as many protest notes and letters as you like, it will end up in garbage bin any way. But it is interesting that UNSC did not condemn and protest against the breach of international law. I think that the US diplomats should learn after these events that took place previous days against the embassy that they are not welcome any longer in Serbia. The events against the USA embassy was direct message to Bush et al, or better say respond to USA’s diplomatic hopes on further “friendship” between Serbia and USA. I just feel sorry that there was a victim after this attack on embassy.

Oh, God what a absurd-Americans are in shock! Well, we are in shock too after your brutal involvement in crippling our country.

Polish citizens are by Your side Serbians, full support You got right to fihgt for your country! I'm wondering what would USA do if for example California declare independent?

Who cares what the US says? They declared war on Serbia when they recognized 'greater albania'.
I would like to commend Kostunica, Dejan Bodiroga, and Novak Djokovic, Emir Kusturica....and all others who gave great patriotic speeches yesterday.
Cheers!

Jörgen (or is it Arben again?). I am from Sweden too and for other readers info. Infamous "Bo.Inge.Andersson" is a serb&Russophobe of the wors sort. He automatically (like his colleuges in CNN BBC FOX etc)parrots the US-stand on their enemys and especially about his hate-subject du jour or since the western powers started to split up Yugoslavia, namelly Serbs.
Unlike "Jörgen" most Swedes, even if their throaths is full of serbophobia from the evening news, sympatize with the Serbian people. The lies from 1999 simply doesn´t kick in anymore.

I think this is going to far.

http://www.javno.com/en/croatia/clanak.php?id=125777

WHEN THE WISE MAN SAYS:

The tribal wisdoms of the Dakota Indians, passed on from generation to generation, says that 'when you discover that you are riding a dead horse, the best strategy is to dismount'. However, in many companies as well as in the UN and NGO community a range of far more advanced strategies are often employed, such as:
- Changing riders
- Appointing a committee to study the horse
- Arranging to visit other countries to see how others ride dead horses
- Lowering the standards so that dead horses can be included
- Reclassifying the dead horse as 'living impaired'.
- Hiring outside contractors to ride the dead horse
- Harnessing several dead horses together to increase the speed
- Providing additional funding and/or training to increase the dead horse's performance
- Doing a productivity study to see if lighter riders would improve the dead horse's performance
- Declaring that as the dead horse does not have to be fed, it is less costly, carries lower overhead, and therefore contributes substantially more to the mission of the organisation than do some other horses
- Rewriting the expected performance requirements for all horses...

""The embassies have to be protected, and that is the obligation of the country," EU foreign policy chief Javier Solana said, according to the BBC. "

This guy solana thinks we are from mars.

Yes solana and your obligation is not stealing territory from Serbia, and using it as a nato base in the balkans.

This guy suported how many innocent civillian deaths in the nato aggression in 99?

TO Joe, 22 February 2008 18:16)

Hey Joe, do you have an opinion of your own, cause everytime you hide behind someone else post to critisize and everytime I ask you questions I do not get any answers.
One thing is clear you are really a big fan of your dear president "the world is mine" and the hell with whoever does not agree with it.
If I recall well, in one of your post a few days ago, you mentioned that you are satisfied with 'your' role as a super power together with a few number of 'civilized' countries, that says all but fortunately your opinion is among the only 30% of the US population that supports your administration destructive foreign policy (actually should also say inland policy), and fortunately soon it will be gone, "time for change", famous slogan nowadays!!

What about this link that Joe the American had the courtesy to find

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7258374.stm

Now, I have again one question for you Joe, is this named country part of what you call 'civilized country' and what will you find them as an excuse this time?? Aren't they your closed allies?

Franz Kafka would make a brilliant story out of this. So let me get this straight, since maybe I'm missing something, but the US bypasses the UN, tramples on international law, commits an illegal act not seen since Adolf Hitler and Czechoslovakia, and these Americans have the audacity to point their finger and ask the UN to condemn this? This logic is beyond believable. In fact, Hillary Clinton even said that she would make Serbia answer to international law. I am stunned. Not because I don't expect this from these Western powers and western politicians, but I'm stunned at how flagrant and obvious this crime is, and how so many people are blind to it. I don't care what country is being carved up, it could be a country in Africa or Asia, the idea that the US will trample on international law, ignore the UN completely, and then use the UN to condemn the Serbs as the bad guys is insanity!!!!! No one with any education could possibly see this any different. Perhaps the world is truly full of dumb people because I don't see how anyone can even ignore this disgusting fact.

So then Khalilzad, when can China expect an appology and UN condemantion of American deliberate bombing and destruction of Chinese Embassy in Belgrade? Also killing and terrorising Chinese citizens residing in Belgrade during your already illegal destructive war against Serbia?

Or is destruction of Embassies, bombing of aspirin factories in Sudan, bombing of hospitals, schools, water supply, television stations , dropping chemical weapons on civilians, war mongering around the world.

Just be clear with the world Khalilzad, so the rest of us know where we stand.

just simple question, where is the US marines ? I think they should act when somebody entry to US territorial or this violence is also in your scenario? who knows ?

For those not well informed Swedes and others.
in the dawn of Nato bombing of Yugoslavia, US special forces stormed Yugoslavian embassy in USA, with no notice given of course.
The staff was captured and treated as terrorists and all property was confiscated. International law, diplomatic immunity...!?!ha ha ha.

America is in a shock about Belgrade embassy, so the family members, neighbors,friends of Iraqis killed since 2003.
Dear Yank brothers it is only you who can save yourselves of yourselves. We others can't help you any more. Good luck!

Of course Serbia is duty bound by law to protect the sovereignty of the US embassy just as the US protects sovereignty. Sorry guys guess this is a special case.

Accidents will happen! Tough luck. Now live with it.

One day an angry mob trashes an American embassy, another day some fighter jet bombs the Chinese embassy...

Oh well... Life goes on.

serbs are angry because their land was stolen infront of their faces. there is no multi ethnic atmosphere anywhere in kosovo. serbians are deprived of employment and construction contracts opportunities because the albanians in charge in the ministries dont advertise job vacancies and construction tenders in serbian newspapers at all. worst is they dont prepare the tenders in serbian language. this has added to the poor economic conditions of serbs and lack of trust and confidence in the albanian government. BUSH DOESNT KNOW THESE FACTS!!!

Wow, what a shock! It looks like the pro-independence and US side are becoming radicalised based on some of the comments here.

We have an embassy with material damage that can be easily repaired.

Calm down a bit, there were 200,000 protesters yesterday and the police can't be everywhere. They did eventually contain the gathering. Just consider this a unique case!

On another note, we managed to get another two more countries with a firm "No recognition" and about another 5 with conditions (UN approval, etc..) while there were 0 on the recognition side. That's 7 for Serbia and 0 for US/Albanians.

The International Community is heavily supporting Serbia! Be proud Serbia!

Jörgen: don´t worry, media-liars are always bringing up Hitler or Stalin...that´s something for naive tv-viewers...to catch their attention.

maybe Hitler was also involved when the chinese embassy was deliberatedly bombed? whutcha say?

or when the US bombed Panama City..and killed lots of innocent panamese civilians? Hitler, too?


to Afrim:
"Kosova is gone and there is nothing Serbia can do about it. "

you are free to believe that...but I wouldn´t count on that, if I were you.

seems like you still believe that you have the "one and only global superpower" behind you... :)

Jorgen,

Let's look at a few precedents:
1. November 1979: US Embassy in Tehran is taken over and hostages kept for 444 days. War? No way. The only consequence of this was Jimmy Carter losing the election in 1980.
2. February 1972: British Embassy in Dublin is burned to the ground after British paratroopers shoot dead 13 unarmed Catholic civilians in Derry, Northern Ireland.
War? Not a chance. The Irish and British governments carried on as before.

Attacking the embassies is a gesture of rage but in itself is not really significant. On the other hand, if the Serbs in Northern Kosovo start seeing KFOR troops as occupiers and begin attacking them, then we're into a whole new ball game.

Arben

Most regular posters here have had their views edited, regardless of their stance. Just accept it.

Also, remember that it was the West that started the wars in the former YU by prematurely recognising Slovenia, Croatia and Bosnia and by imposing their decision without negotiations.

Remember, an agreement between all Bosnian factions was made and a peaceful separation could have been achieved except the US encouraged Izetbegovic to renege and we all know the outcome of that!

The KLA were considered terrorists until 1998 by the US. In 1999, the US supported them so NATO could build a base in Serbian soil!

It's easy to blame Milosevic for all the wars, but you can't ignore Germany's position and then the US, who encouraged the breakup of YU and are greatly responsible for the violence that occured!

"So, let me see if I get this straight: the US embassy in Belgrade is "a sovereign American territory" in Serbia, but 15% of Serbian state and a cradle of Serbia's culture, faith and statehood—Kosovo and Metohija province—was not sufficiently sovereign Serbian territory the moment the US decided to seize it from Serbia?"


This doesnt differ much from an ordinary anti-globalist demo, demonstrating against US evil nwo hegemony, which is pretty much the subject here too...

Hey, US, EU and UK condemn violence in Belgrade on US embassy - sounds fair doesn't it?
Hey, Turkey INVADES Iraq - I hear no complaints from the EU, UK or USA? Why? Because they have cononed and authorised it!!!
This is not hyprocriy is it? Give me a break !!

The US embassy, as they say, was collateral damage. They had the wrong map! They thought it was McDonalds.

Let us understand that the pandora's box is now open and what might or might not happen is the responsibility of those few foolish enough to FORCE it open!!! Many were told do what you will but understand that it will destabilise the region and world order. Ah but then the US "Dumbya" - the very wise man who was so right on Iraq really does know what is best!

Surely the US understand Newton's Third law;

For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

Hardly surprising to think that the Serbians will respect US sovereignty when the US have clearly stepped over the line regarding Serbia's sovereignty - did they really believe the false analysis that this would be stabilising and Serbs would increase their affection for such 'friendly' [sic] acts?

Oh what a tangled web we weave...

Stuart comment #22

"BMRusila,

Your views are not held by the majority in Serbia."

- I guess stuart you think your view does??? Who exactly are you to be taken seriously given that you only recently added your pennies worth!

RE: Panama's UN ambassador Ricardo Alberto Arias.

Still waiting for the UN to condmen the illegal invasion of Kosovo by the EU contrary to UN Resolution 1244.

Further awaiting the condemnation of the illegal declaration of the illegal Kosovo country by the former KLA terrorist Hacim Thaci as listed by the US CIA Terrorist watch. This statement is a fact as Thaci is responsible for the murder of Serbs, Albanians, Roma's alike.

Where is the UN Condemnation?

In fact, where is the UN hiding-behind there placards like a pack of turtles?

The diplomatic battle cannot be won by justifying hooliganism. And it cannot be won with angry reiterations of oft stated arguments while vision of looting and burning is being shown in the background.

Take the heat out of the debate - with your own people and in your external discussion. It is the only, and critical next step.
(Alan Slawson, 22 February 2008, 15:13)

Kosovo & Metohija has been invaded illegally by the EU. If somebody invaded your home, you would not be offering diplomatic recourse after being kicked out in your back alley.

Where is the condemnation of the Turkey invasion of Iraq? W
Where is the UN condemnation?

Serbia demands international justice or all countries are entering into anarchy.

Just this morning undersecretary Burns was giving brainless interview on CNCB and played with history again saying that 9 million albanians were in danger od Serbia in 1999.
If it wasn`s sad it would be funny that career politician can make a mistake like that.
But what could be said about those kids yesterday is-they watched self proclaimed "free world" leaders awarding violence with independence with no regard for international laws.
And who here can say that this kids are not future freedom fighters,if that is what international community is awarding.
Or when it comes to Serbia and it`s people laws are different.
What a SHAME.!

"Take the heat out of the debate"

wouldn't that be nice, now :)
but it's you- who needs to learn not to heat things up all over the world. you- take the heat off it now. you- leave our country alone. you- stop ripping our territory apart. lets not get sidetracked here. international order was destroyed by the u.s. not a week ago. thats the big worry here, the headache for the whole world, that’s what needs taking the heat off, not 200 people looting and rioting. appreciate this please from a different angle. if you were in belgrade last night, you wouldve thought there was a g8 summit in town, not that a country was to all intents and purposed declared war against with its territory stolen.

and look, you-cannot choose our leadership. our direction will not be decided in a rally, in street violence. it will be between us serbs and our ballot papers in the privacy of the voting booth very soon to decide what happens next.
and indignant righteous prince charming tadic, for whom i voted not two weeks ago and for which i burn with shame now, will not be that choice. that is, his party will not be. president tadic-without control of the government, why, that's just a figurehead! you- read our constitution whenever in doubt.
you- remember that. you- do something about it. sensible, adding to stability this time if you can, please.

@(Olf, 22 February 2008 16:22)

Did you know that Russia has declared use off force BY russia to be legal if KFOR or the EU steps beyond the UN 1244 Resolution.

Meaning they are ready and willing to military intervene if rfesolution 1244 is not respected.

thank you USA, EU & K-Albanians for bringing the world 1 step closer to WW3.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7258801.stm

Eagle wrote:
It's so simple to understand this: You beat and abuse your wife many times then no wonder she is going to divorce you! Serbia and Kosovo lived together but you wanted to treat Albanians like they don't deserve to live, well now don't blame anybody for what happen.

Yes, your wife should divorce you, but she does not automatically get the right to take the house you build with her.
Also, Serbia and Kosovo did not live together, Kosovo WAS part of Serbia.

The USA is a hypocrite cry-baby nation. Attributes of a typical Bully!

I understand their embassy staff are leaving Belgrade, good! They should only come back when Barak Obama becomes President.

Current Count from the Islamic block.

4 will NOT recognise and 9 will NOT due to conditions (UN approval, etc..) 13 in total and this compares to 5 that have recognised.

Since yesterday, an extra 3 countries from the Islamic block have come out to support Serbia while 0 have supported the US/Albanian position.

The list for Serbian support continues to grow with 19 countries stating they will NOT support independence and about 60 that will conditionally NOT support it (waiting for UN, EU, Serbian approval). However the recognition camp has moved nowhere. Only 16 countries have recognised Kosovo with more of those expected to recognise holding off!

Momentum continues to favour Serbia!

Dear Joe in Post # 39
In responce to your statement
Few more terrorist moves like this by Serbia and the UN should expel her as a member.
Western democratic countries should make this clear to her.
Enough is enough.
(Joe, 22 February 2008 15:39)

please advise what current status past and present that Serbia enjoys as United Nations Member. Are we talking about the same United Nations that is protecting now and then ?????
What media outlet do you get your information from?
THE NATIONAL ENQUIRER!

I am not advocating violence of any kind. Still, if I want to get the U.S.'s attention and really make them nervous, I would not attack the embassy, I would go down the hill at take down the McDonalds after it closed. The US concerns are much more about corporate interests more than any embassy.

I note that some Russian rhetoric has overstretched itself. E.g., one media station approved of the murder of Djindjic. That is not the view of a very great number of Serbs. Even those who might think that way would not appreciate having Russians approving of the murder of Serbian politicians. Serbia is a great enough country that it would rather conduct its own internal politics. Serbia is also not wanting to choose whether it has to look east or west - it wants Kosovo; that is the issue.

The Kosovo should not be an East-West confrontation; Serbia should not be abused that way. The majority in Serbia voted for EU in the recent elections but the EU miscalculated on the significance of Kosovo. That was very stupid.

Russia should argue at the UN - in this case it is on the side of right. However, extreme belligerent rhetoric from any section of Russia or the Russian media will not help Serbia resolve this. Done properly, Russian involvement would be appropriate however - particularly to insist that the UN reverse the current situation in Kosovo within the terms of 1244.

“….note that some Russian rhetoric has overstretched itself. E.g., one media station approved of the murder of Djindjic….”

This is certainly not the view of Russian officials. Where did you find that information? Russia has a plenty of different news papers and TV stations who are expressing their own views.

The Kosovo secession was illegal and that fact is obvious ! You have the support of the Polish people ! All the internet forums in Poland are supportive for the Serbian unity !

To EA's Posting # 65
I have said in the past, with a very good intention for PEACE and STABILITY in the region,that Serbia with its agressive stance towards the West is shooting itself in its feet!
(EA, 22 February 2008 21:35)

Why would you make this comment knowing full well that Serbia has been intimidated by the USA since 1999. Through process of deduction i would say that there is no way the Serbs will ever be in the USA's good books. Really!
What is there to lose!

Olf in your Post #42
To all Serbs

do you knowt that Russia voted on US side as you would like to call it. Russia condemned the acts commited in Belgrade.
(Olf, 22 February 2008 16:22)

News flash for you Olf.
Serbia condemned all the of Serbian rioters as well. Therfore, Serbia must be on the side of the USA. It must be a conspiracy.

You can only hear these condemnations of Serbian people from concided big bullies. When you listen to their reasoning it is obvious that they are thinking to themselves "I don't believe I am saying these things after what we done to Serbian people" But they are all programed from start how to act. Just bunch of gangsers.

.....
Bob,
I am very proud of all those US actions that you call clumsiness. I would call it just and moral actions to be followed by all democratic countries.
(Joe, 22 February 2008 18:16)
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Hi Joe

As it happens I can lay claim to all the moral high ground that you think you inhabit. I supported NATO stopping the killing in Kosovo, but Milosevic is gone, and Serbia is now part of the democratic world. The trouble is that the EU and the US have not adjusted their view and they have thought it appropriate to ignore the genuine feelings of the Serbian people.

My earlier piece was about the lesson the appearance of bombed out buildings might teach to young Belgraders - I was drawing attention to the irony of the embassy's relative situation and the potential for a violent interpretation being implicitly suggested to young minds.

1244 most definitely does not talk of independence for Kosovo and most definitely does talk of a political settlement and of autonomy.

The moral high ground has now disappeared into law breaking on the part of the EU and the US. I can quite understand the cynicism felt by Serbs about the two-faced approach to law demonstrated by the US in particular.

Your moral high ground has disappeared into illegal support for a land-grab.

The US and the EU were wrong to provoke in this way - fools in my view. It certainly was not diplomatic - it smacks of group punishment of the Serbian people.

If that is not clumsy, it is malicious.

Stuart, How about 99 when my country (US) and NATO dropped bombs on defenceless Serbs. That was OK for you wasn't it? Your a hypocrit also. Arben, it is the west that started this movment not the Serbian gov or the people. Eagle, enough with the "Divorce Court" theory please. Afrim Hoxha, you mean south kosovo is gone, for now that is. But North Kosovo, well It's still under Serbias control and Pristina will never see it. Blacky you took the words right out of my mouth. Kosovo is Serbia!!! CCCC!!! Long Live Serbia!!!

the USA is not welcome in serbia , the USA is not welcome in europe , the USA is not welcome in great britain or russia or china or the middle east , also its not welcome in little old new zealand . time is running out for the " great " USA . lee coleman , auckland NZ .

This must be one of those Polish jokes, from a Pole.
Californian did not get killed en masse by the US soldiers and paramilitaries.
(Albion New York)

did not??? hahaha not very good joke

Most sensible Americans are sympathetic to the Serbian position. Unfortunately the big problem is not the American people. It is people in Washington who are on the Saudi or the Wahhabi payroll.

Madeline Albright has made tens of millions from Saudis as "consultant" for them. Not only did she create the mess in Balkans, she even led Bin Ladin get away by warning the Pakistanis about a impending US strike.

This women ought to be tried to treason but guess what she is out representing the same people who financed the 9/11 and the KLA- the Saudis.